Rosalina's weaknesses

[FrankTheStud]

As I've said, I've simply not had the opportunity to enter tournaments due to personal reasons (finance, responsiblities, etc). That doesn't mean I haven't practiced, beat tournament players, etc. I have been vigorously training with Rosalina since launch and am even currently developing new tech for her. I am more than at liberty to critique another player's playstyle.

I also never said his playstyle was wrong, I said it's flawed, limiting, and not close to the full potential of the character, so please don't put words in my mouth. It's up to Dabuz if he wants to keep that playstyle up, though it hasn't been winning him many tournaments lately (the difference between him and I is that I haven't made my debut yet - I haven't won, but I also haven't been losing - however, some other players like Falln are really offensive and do well, while Dabuz has been doing worse lately), so I think that's enough proof that his playstyle isn't optimal.

My playstyle (and just the optimal playstyle for the character) entails everything Dabuz does, and much more. I don't see how you can argue it isn't a better way to go. Switching Rosalina & Luma's individual roles based on the situation is objectively better than giving them both a defensive role regardless of the situation. It's common sense, and just means you have to adapt.

People can specialise playing Rosalina one specific way if they want to, but they should do that realising that they are missing out and not tapping into everything the character does.

Once again, I don't mean to offend, but without replays or results, it's hard to believe you. Anyone can say "I've never lost any games," but if you haven't won any either, it doesn't matter.
You're basically saying what I've been saying about Dabuz...He was countered as a PLAYER by Aba, so he's forced to change his playstyle if he wants to win. Once again, while he hasn't been winning tournaments, he has consistently been getting top 8/16, which means it works to an extent, while your "optimal secrets" have yet to yield results. I don't mean this as a way to offend you, it's just arrogant to pretty much say that you can outplay a top player without having any results, which is essentially what you are doing. I understand that finances and time are justifiable issues for not participating in the tournament scene (I'm entering my Senior year of college and can't play much), but if you have really beaten tournament players, and have grasped the untapped gameplay in Rosalina that will forever turn the meta of the game, then put up and risk the $15 entry fee and win back $500 at a local.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

@ ChikoLad & @ FrankTheStud : Let's try not to drag this argument any further.

Anyway, Rosalina is basically a fighter who can be very diverse with her combat options while the Luma is by her side. The tricky part, however, is just being able to use them properly. And considering that not too many competitive players have tried to use Rosalina for more than just defense, that can give other players the impression that Rosalina isn't very good.

 

[ChikoLad]

Once again, I don't mean to offend, but without replays or results, it's hard to believe you. Anyone can say "I've never lost any games," but if you haven't won any either, it doesn't matter.
You're basically saying what I've been saying about Dabuz...He was countered as a PLAYER by Aba, so he's forced to change his playstyle if he wants to win. Once again, while he hasn't been winning tournaments, he has consistently been getting top 8/16, which means it works to an extent, while your "optimal secrets" have yet to yield results. I don't mean this as a way to offend you, it's just arrogant to pretty much say that you can outplay a top player without having any results, which is essentially what you are doing. I understand that finances and time are justifiable issues for not participating in the tournament scene (I'm entering my Senior year of college and can't play much), but if you have really beaten tournament players, and have grasped the untapped gameplay in Rosalina that will forever turn the meta of the game, then put up and risk the $15 entry fee and win back $500 at a local.

Nothing about what I'm saying is secret.

Tell me, which do you think has a better grasp of Mario?

A) A Mario player who just spends most of the match being defensive with fireballs regardless of situation.
B) A Mario player who uses all of Mario's tools according to the situation.

The answer should be pretty obvious.

I don't know what it is with Rosalina players, maybe it's because she's one of the hardest to learn characters in the game and people want to keep her as simple as possible, but there seems to be this epidemic that she has to be played defensively. Not only is this limiting players, but it's gotten the character a bad rep from players of other characters as they feel the playstyle Dabuz popularised is boring.

I believe Dabuz was countered by Aba, but it's the result of his flawed playstyle. It's a predictable and simple one.

Also as a matter of fact, I do have a replay I can show you that I believe is worth showing. It's just a For Glory match:

But it shows me doing two things - bringing Luma in and out depending on what role I want him to have, and switching Rosalina's role up.

Take specific note of the first KO I had, where I intentionally used ROSALINA as bait and a meat shield for Luma, and that led to a KO. You NEVER see Dabuz do these things. You also pretty much never see other Rosalina players do these things, it's only ever using Luma as a meat shield - I do that, but I also use Rosalina as the meat shield sometimes. Meaning I am using more of the options this pair of characters has compared to other players.

 

[FrankTheStud]

Nothing about what I'm saying is secret.

Tell me, which do you think has a better grasp of Mario?

A) A Mario player who just spends most of the match being defensive with fireballs regardless of situation.
B) A Mario player who uses all of Mario's tools according to the situation.

The answer should be pretty obvious.

I don't know what it is with Rosalina players, maybe it's because she's one of the hardest to learn characters in the game and people want to keep her as simple as possible, but there seems to be this epidemic that she has to be played defensively. Not only is this limiting players, but it's gotten the character a bad rep from players of other characters as they feel the playstyle Dabuz popularised is boring.

I believe Dabuz was countered by Aba, but it's the result of his flawed playstyle. It's a predictable and simple one.

Also as a matter of fact, I do have a replay I can show you that I believe is worth showing. It's just a For Glory match:

But it shows me doing two things - bringing Luma in and out depending on what role I want him to have, and switching Rosalina's role up.

Take specific note of the first KO I had, where I intentionally used ROSALINA as bait and a meat shield for Luma, and that led to a KO. You NEVER see Dabuz do these things. You also pretty much never see other Rosalina players do these things, it's only ever using Luma as a meat shield - I do that, but I also use Rosalina as the meat shield sometimes. Meaning I am using more of the options this pair of characters has compared to other players.

@ ChikoLad & @ FrankTheStud : Let's try not to drag this argument any further.

Anyway, Rosalina is basically a fighter who can be very diverse with her combat options while the Luma is by her side. The tricky part, however, is just being able to use them properly. And considering that not too many competitive players have tried to use Rosalina for more than just defense, that can give other players the impression that Rosalina isn't very good.

I'll stop replying to this to avoid spam.

 

[Athrel]

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Lmao, Dabuz is predictable, but using down smash 8 times in a row isn't. That match was mostly the Marth doing poor get up and approach options. If for glory performance were any indicator of good play then AceStarThe3rd would be smash lord. Dabuz has demonstrated impeccable desynced Luma control in tourneys before with or without Luma Warp. He doesn't get to show it off at top level play as much because there aren't many opportunities to set them up vs Shiek or ZSS. It's not like his playstyle is as stagnant or campy as people make it out to be anyway. There's loads of differences between how he played at Apex vs how he plays currently. His problem vs Abadango was more him not knowing how Wario worked while Abadango knew how Rosa worked. Definitely get meaningful results before trying to dictate the Rosa Meta.

 

[ChikoLad]

Lmao, Dabuz is predictable, but using down smash 8 times in a row isn't. That match was mostly the Marth doing poor get up and approach options. If for glory performance were any indicator of good play then AceStarThe3rd would be smash lord. Dabuz has demonstrated impeccable desynced Luma control in tourneys before with or without Luma Warp. He doesn't get to show it off at top level play as much because there aren't many opportunities to set them up vs Shiek or ZSS. It's not like his playstyle is as stagnant or campy as people make it out to be anyway. There's loads of differences between how he played at Apex vs how he plays currently. His problem vs Abadango was more him not knowing how Wario worked while Abadango knew how Rosa worked. Definitely get meaningful results before trying to dictate the Rosa Meta.

-I like how you picked out a particular point in my video and acted as if I said anything was great about that specific moment. You know what that's called? Going off topic. That moment had nothing to do with anything I was saying, it wasn't relevant to this discussion.

-I said "it's just a For Glory match" as a disclaimer, if you actually took the time to read the entire post. I never said the player I was facing was amazing and I never said it was the most intense match. It was a very easy match for me. If you looked at the video title, you would see that it wasn't even originally intended as an example of "DUDE CHECK IT THIS IS MY HIGHEST LEVEL PLAY LOL" (it was a recording test for one of my capture cards). However, I picked out two specific, different things that I noticed it showed an example of, that were relevant to what I was talking about.

-I never said anything about dictating the Rosalina meta, I was giving advice and an alternate perspective. I'm not like Dabuz, where I get into a fit over someone naming a combo the "Shanoa Combo" and crying about how "I DISCOVERED IT BEFORE YOU" (despite him not making any effort to spread the word of it). Now THAT'S trying to dictate the meta. The fact that you are so quick to just act in his defense to even the smallest criticism of him, rather than maybe even attempt to try the things I talk about (which wouldn't hurt at all, I always try things other Rosalina mains find, same with other characters, regardless of whetehr these people have a video for it or play in tournaments - recall that many of Rosalina's first techniques, such as Lunar Landing, were discovered by "nobodies"), is a shining example of what is wrong with Rosalina's player base - kiss up to Dabuz (I don't have much of a problem with him as a person or him going with his playstyle - it's how much his fans over glorify him), stick with what worked at the start, and don't try to take the meta any further, and start deteriorating as a result. You can laugh at points in my video that didn't even have anything to do with the discussion, and have that condescending attitude all you want, but at the end of the day, that means jack when you aren't even at least trying the things people suggest just because "lol you never played in a tournament". People like you are why the FGC doesn't take the Smash player base seriously - you'd rather be condescending than take any chance or any advice and at least give it a try, in hopes that it may improve your play. Credibility doesn't matter when it's as simple as looking at the advice other people give you and trying out the tactics they post, and seeing if it works out for you - if it doesn't work out, then nothing gained, nothing lost. If it works out, something is gained.

People like you are exactly why I am taking my sweet time making a video for the the new Rosalina tech I discovered and keeping it to myself, rather than just posting a thread about it. Not that credibility has no merits, but if that's all you care about when you hear someone's advice, your development as a player is going to be a lot slower than the average Smash player.

-Noooo, Dabuz absolutely lost to Aba from just outright poor play and trying to hard to stick to defense. Again, he SD'd in about the first 10 seconds because of this.

EDIT: I also wanna say that I'm not calling Dabuz out for a challenge or anything. I do think he is a better player than me due to things like reaction times and having less bad habits than me and what not, and for having experienced more than me as of yet since he can play the game more and with more people, but the top player in a scene isn't the one who comes up with everything. I don't have too much of an issue with how he plays. It's a limiting playstyle, but he can master it and stick to it if it works for him. However, I just don't like how every one and their mom is piggybacking off his success as if the Dabuz way is the only way to play Rosalina.

 

[Athrel]

-I like how you picked out a particular point in my video and acted as if I said anything was great about that specific moment. You know what that's called? Going off topic. That moment had nothing to do with anything I was saying, it wasn't relevant to this discussion.

-I said "it's just a For Glory match" as a disclaimer, if you actually took the time to read the entire post. I never said the player I was facing was amazing and I never said it was the most intense match. It was a very easy match for me. If you looked at the video title, you would see that it wasn't even originally intended as an example of "DUDE CHECK IT THIS IS MY HIGHEST LEVEL PLAY LOL" (it was a recording test for one of my capture cards). However, I picked out two specific, different things that I noticed it showed an example of, that were relevant to what I was talking about.

What I was trying to get across was that I only saw poor Marth play and mediocre Rosalina & Luma play throughout the whole of the video not just the part I was referencing. With regards to that first K.O. you were so proud of it was, like I said earlier, The Marth approaching poorly and putting his body over two up-smashes (one being disjointed) rather than spacing properly and using his own disjoint to challenge them without putting his body at risk.

-I never said anything about dictating the Rosalina meta, I was giving advice and an alternate perspective. I'm not like Dabuz, where I get into a fit over someone naming a combo the "Shanoa Combo" and crying about how "I DISCOVERED IT BEFORE YOU" (despite him not making any effort to spread the word of it). Now THAT'S trying to dictate the meta.

All he said was that he found it pretty silly and egotistical to name a string that hadn't really done anything major after oneself at all especially after he'd been using in tournaments (he didn't spread word of it because he later found out it was pretty easily escapable with DI and thus not worth setting up) far beforehand, a sentiment also stated by others in the thread. Also it's probably not that hard to "give advice and an alternate perspective" without essentially badmouthing a player who's contributed more to the character's meta than you probably ever will every time you do so.

The fact that you are so quick to just act in his defense to even the smallest criticism of him, rather than maybe even attempt to try the things I talk about (which wouldn't hurt at all, I always try things other Rosalina mains find, same with other characters, regardless of whetehr these people have a video for it or play in tournaments - recall that many of Rosalina's first techniques, such as Lunar Landing, were discovered by "nobodies"), is a shining example of what is wrong with Rosalina's player base

Nah, I try to take playstyles from a bunch of different people into account. I just haven't really seen you offer anything other than "Dabuz did x thing wrong."

- kiss up to Dabuz (I don't have much of a problem with him as a person or him going with his playstyle - it's how much his fans over glorify him), stick with what worked at the start, and don't try to take the meta any further, and start deteriorating as a result. You can laugh at points in my video that didn't even have anything to do with the discussion, and have that condescending attitude all you want, but at the end of the day, that means jack when you aren't even at least trying the things people suggest just because "lol you never played in a tournament". People like you are why the FGC doesn't take the Smash player base seriously - you'd rather be condescending than take any chance or any advice and at least give it a try, in hopes that it may improve your play. Credibility doesn't matter when it's as simple as looking at the advice other people give you and trying out the tactics they post, and seeing if it works out for you - if it doesn't work out, then nothing gained, nothing lost. If it works out, something is gained.

I don't glorify him. I've actually found a lot of his plays pretty silly at times like his last stock vs. hungrybox at CEO doubles or his repeated attempts to use the Luma jab edgeguard vs Vinnie during the ECT after Vinnie demonstrated that he knew how to get by it. Like I said before, I've keep track of plenty of other players like Xaltis, Falln, Rayquaza (on the rare occurrence I can get footage of him), and even some more obscure players because they show good Rosa play rather than harping on what they think some other player's doing wrong.

People like you are exactly why I am taking my sweet time making a video for the the new Rosalina tech I discovered and keeping it to myself, rather than just posting a thread about it. Not that credibility has no merits, but if that's all you care about when you hear someone's advice, your development as a player is going to be a lot slower than the average Smash player.

Results are pretty important. Techs working vs CPU's or players on FG is completely different from working on an experienced player. I'd be much worse off if I wasted my time trying every gimmick someone thought worked rather than taking advice from people who I know that they know what they're talking about.

-Noooo, Dabuz absolutely lost to Aba from just outright poor play and trying to hard to stick to defense. Again, he SD'd in about the first 10 seconds because of this.

The SD was because he got footstooled right after he executed his double jump and didn't realize it until a bit later and messed up the launch star input. Was it avoidable? Definitely. Is that one SD that came from one missed analog input on a pretty difficult recovery to use consistently enough to simplify his match vs Abadango as "poor play and stubbornly sticking to defense"? Definitely not. Again, he didn't know the Wario matchup and thus how to play against him. Not saying that that's not his fault, just that it's not evident of some inherent flaw in his playstyle.

 

[Dabuz]

Hey guys

*Looks at thread*

I remember why I don't come to these boards

*Leaves thread*

 

[ChikoLad]

What I was trying to get across was that I only saw poor Marth play and mediocre Rosalina & Luma play throughout the whole of the video not just the part I was referencing. With regards to that first K.O. you were so proud of it was, like I said earlier, The Marth approaching poorly and putting his body over two up-smashes (one being disjointed) rather than spacing properly and using his own disjoint to challenge them without putting his body at risk.

I actually intentionally baited him in since I saw him jumping towards me and since I know that Luma can still carry through with an attack even if Rosalina gets hit, I captilised on that - let him hit Rosalina, using her as bait, so Luma could get a free hit. I also knew I would be able to follow up since I wasn't really at a percent for Marth to launch me.

Regardless of the Marth's level of play, this is a tactic I have used against much better players who I know play in tournaments - using Rosalina as bait so Luma can follow through. It can be especially useful since some of Luma's attacks launch far and have a lot of hitstun, giving Rosalina a chance to follow up even after being hit.

All he said was that he found it pretty silly and egotistical to name a string that hadn't really done anything major after oneself at all especially after he'd been using in tournaments (he didn't spread word of it because he later found out it was pretty easily escapable with DI and thus not worth setting up) far beforehand, a sentiment also stated by others in the thread. Also it's probably not that hard to "give advice and an alternate perspective" without essentially badmouthing a player who's contributed more to the character's meta than you probably ever will every time you do so.

You also left out the part where the user posting the combo had clarified from the get go that their friends named it that since they couldn't come up with a name themselves, and even after being told that multiple times (as well as myself and others telling Dabuz that the name of the combo is irrelevant since the player is just trying to give it a simple enough name so that it can be referenced in competitive discussion and what matters more is discussing the combo itself), Dabuz still cared about nothing but the name and insisted on complaining about that specific thing.

I'm not badmouthing him, none of what I say is a lie or said in spite. I only really brought this up since you badmouthed me by trying to claim I'm attempting to "dictate" the meta. That's not true about me at all, but it is at least somewhat true about Dabuz, whom you keep implying I can't criticise.

harping on what they think some other player's doing wrong.

I mean that's only been a small bit of what I done (only reason I'm even still talking about him is because you are basically trying so hard to defend him over me criticising him even a little, and I didn't even do so out of spite or anything, it was just an observation), but if you want to focus on just that rather than acknowledging or even trying the general suggestions I have made about mitigating Rosalina's weaknesses and what not, then go ahead. You act as if I'm not allowed to criticise his play (even though you do so yourself) and that doing so is like committing a crime.

Results are pretty important. Techs working vs CPU's or players on FG is completely different from working on an experienced player. I'd be much worse off if I wasted my time trying every gimmick someone thought worked rather than taking advice from people who I know that they know what they're talking about.

Never said results and credibility had no merit (in fact if you know me, you'd know I'm always saying Sheik deserves to be above Rosalina on any tier list solely because of the results she gets - and I don't think that's gonna change if people try to stick solely to defensive playstyles like Dabuz's).

Also don't assume I've only tested the tech against CPUs and FG players. You've been doing a lot of baseless assuming in this discussion, actually.

The SD was because he got footstooled right after he executed his double jump and didn't realize it until a bit later and messed up the launch star input. Was it avoidable? Definitely. Is that one SD that came from one missed analog input on a pretty difficult recovery to use consistently enough to simplify his match vs Abadango as "poor play and stubbornly sticking to defense"? Definitely not. Again, he didn't know the Wario matchup and thus how to play against him. Not saying that that's not his fault, just that it's not evident of some inherent flaw in his playstyle.

It actually had to do with trying to F-air (as an attempt to defend against Wario rather than simple get by him and onto the stage - which was possible at that moment) while falling low under the stage more than anything.

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Also since people seem so concerned with asking for what kind of players I play against other than FG or CPUs:

The match above isn't me playing, but I've played against what, to my knowledge, is Ireland's best Bowser player in both Brawl and Smash 4 a few times, as early as 3DS launch.

I don't want to start bringing tons of people into what SHOULD be a very simple point to accept (and I find it ridiculous that I've had to mention anyone in the first place) but there's one of the people I play against. Haven't had as much sets against him as I'd like lately, but I've taken quite a few sets from him (as he has me - I couldn't give you a number on who's won most, we've played a ton of matches which are mostly Rosalina VS Bowser).

I have every intention in playing in tournaments, I just can't right now for personal reasons.

I may also save my tech for a tournament so I can use it there and then take the footage from the tournament and include it in my video.

 

[mario123007]

I actually intentionally baited him in since I saw him jumping towards me and since I know that Luma can still carry through with an attack even if Rosalina gets hit, I captilised on that - let him hit Rosalina, using her as bait, so Luma could get a free hit. I also knew I would be able to follow up since I wasn't really at a percent for Marth to launch me.

Regardless of the Marth's level of play, this is a tactic I have used against much better players who I know play in tournaments - using Rosalina as bait so Luma can follow through. It can be especially useful since some of Luma's attacks launch far and have a lot of hitstun, giving Rosalina a chance to follow up even after being hit.



You also left out the part where the user posting the combo had clarified from the get go that their friends named it that since they couldn't come up with a name themselves, and even after being told that multiple times (as well as myself and others telling Dabuz that the name of the combo is irrelevant since the player is just trying to give it a simple enough name so that it can be referenced in competitive discussion and what matters more is discussing the combo itself), Dabuz still cared about nothing but the name and insisted on complaining about that specific thing.

I'm not badmouthing him, none of what I say is a lie or said in spite. I only really brought this up since you badmouthed me by trying to claim I'm attempting to "dictate" the meta. That's not true about me at all, but it is at least somewhat true about Dabuz, whom you keep implying I can't criticise.



I mean that's only been a small bit of what I done (only reason I'm even still talking about him is because you are basically trying so hard to defend him over me criticising him even a little, and I didn't even do so out of spite or anything, it was just an observation), but if you want to focus on just that rather than acknowledging or even trying the general suggestions I have made about mitigating Rosalina's weaknesses and what not, then go ahead. You act as if I'm not allowed to criticise his play (even though you do so yourself) and that doing so is like committing a crime.



Never said results and credibility had no merit (in fact if you know me, you'd know I'm always saying Sheik deserves to be above Rosalina on any tier list solely because of the results she gets - and I don't think that's gonna change if people try to stick solely to defensive playstyles like Dabuz's).

Also don't assume I've only tested the tech against CPUs and FG players. You've been doing a lot of baseless assuming in this discussion, actually.



It actually had to do with trying to F-air (as an attempt to defend against Wario rather than simple get by him and onto the stage - which was possible at that moment) while falling low under the stage more than anything.

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Also since people seem so concerned with asking for what kind of players I play against other than FG or CPUs:

The match above isn't me playing, but I've played against what, to my knowledge, is Ireland's best Bowser player in both Brawl and Smash 4 a few times, as early as 3DS launch.

I don't want to start bringing tons of people into what SHOULD be a very simple point to accept (and I find it ridiculous that I've had to mention anyone in the first place) but there's one of the people I play against. Haven't had as much sets against him as I'd like lately, but I've taken quite a few sets from him (as he has me - I couldn't give you a number on who's won most, we've played a ton of matches which are mostly Rosalina VS Bowser).

I have every intention in playing in tournaments, I just can't right now for personal reasons.

I may also save my tech for a tournament so I can use it there and then take the footage from the tournament and include it in my video.

So... you think that Dabuz's playstyle of Rosalina is defensive?
I actually think that Dabuz utilize Luma very well, and one of Rosalina's biggest weakness is her lightweight. Dabuz has to be defensive to prevent getting too much damage. And her recovery can make her easy to get spiked too. Rosalina has been considered top tier is because of Luma and her large hitbox, it's very hard to approach to Rosalina with most characters.
And sorry I haven't really look at your previous posts thoroughly because... well... it's too long...
I was also disappointed that Dabuz lost to Abadango at EVO...
Just what do you think that a good Rosalina should be? Being too aggressive in match can make you open and get damage,and even lose your Luma immediately, and being too defensive can cause a lot of trouble as well.
I'm not really that much in to tournaments so I'm not really trying going to argue with you, I just want to know what exactly is your opinion on Dabuz and his Rosalina gameplay. I really want to know.

 

[ChikoLad]

So... you think that Dabuz's playstyle of Rosalina is defensive?
I actually think that Dabuz utilize Luma very well, and one of Rosalina's biggest weakness is her lightweight. Dabuz has to be defensive to prevent getting too much damage. And her recovery can make her easy to get spiked too. Rosalina has been considered top tier is because of Luma and her large hitbox, it's very hard to approach to Rosalina with most characters.
And sorry I haven't really look at your previous posts thoroughly because... well... it's too long...
I was also disappointed that Dabuz lost to Abadango at EVO...
Just what do you think that a good Rosalina should be? Being too aggressive in match can make you open and get damage,and even lose your Luma immediately, and being too defensive can cause a lot of trouble as well.
I'm not really that much in to tournaments so I'm not really trying going to argue with you, I just want to know what exactly is your opinion on Dabuz and his Rosalina gameplay. I really want to know.

I've said it like a million times before, but Rosalina & Luma should be played as paradigm shifters.

 

[mario123007]

I've said it like a million times before, but Rosalina & Luma should be played as paradigm shifters.

Paradigm shifters? I don't get it...really. How can I do that?

 

[Iceweasel]

Paradigm shifters? I don't get it...really. How can I do that?

He means that you should play Rosaluma as a doubles match where your partner's eliminated. Somehow, that's not broken, even though 2v1 is nearly always a loss for the 1.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Paradigm shifters? I don't get it...really. How can I do that?

To put it mildly, Rosalina can operate in multiple ways. As such, a well experienced Rosalina player would more than likely mix things up a bit while using her.

Most other fighters are much more straightforward with their battle styles.

 

[mario123007]

To put it mildly, Rosalina can operate in multiple ways. As such, a well experienced Rosalina player would more than likely mix things up a bit while using her.

Most other fighters are much more straightforward with their battle styles.

This is what I think too. A good Rosalina player should mix up their playstyle.

 

[ChikoLad]

Essentially, a "paradigm" is two or more people operating under assigned roles.

So to say Rosalina & Luma should be played as paradigm shifters is to say that you should always be ready to change what roles they operate under, based on the situation.

 

[mario123007]

Essentially, a "paradigm" is two or more people operating under assigned roles.

So to say Rosalina & Luma should be played as paradigm shifters is to say that you should always be ready to change what roles they operate under, based on the situation.

Which means I have to utilize both Luma and Rosalina properly.