Respect for Competitive and Casuals

[κomıc]

I didn't know casuals were even involved. I thought it was just people calling each other that as a reason to prove their point.

Competitive players are pretty cool they can enjoy both sides of the game meanwhile casuals only limit themselves and enjoy one aspect.

I'm one of the competitive players who enjoys the whole package but I disagree with you that it encompasses all competitive players. Because I've seen interviews and even read comments from certain people who really don't know much of anything about the characters they main or like in Smash Bros and because they are so skillful, they are always right about everything- so they believe. A well-known Melee player said "I like Kirby. I think she is cute and I like how she eats things up" or something like that very recently, actually. That's like me saying I like Ellen DeGeneres but not knowing she is a lesbian or me liking Oprah Winfrey and not knowing she is extremely rich. There are some competitive players that don't care about everything Smash has to offer where these "casuals" just might. It goes both ways and it is dependent on the individual, not a cluster.

I really don't get the stress and non-sense that has been going around.

 

[StriCNYN3]

Gonna be honest here. I haven't noticed any real hate from either sides, mostly assumptions of hate from both parties. I get the impression each side thinks there's some sort of crusade out for them when in actuality no one really cares that much except for a select few peeps generating the negativity. I'm probably wrong though. Personally I like both sides. If you love smash as much as I do then you're awesome.

Came to post something like this. The bolded part is how I feel is what it really comes down to. Well said. As anecdotal as it is, I'm just not seeing this travesty in the community. I've meet with casuals and joined games with them. We have a blast for that day. I'm part of the Smash competitive community and travel from time to time to different states and meet hundreds of like minded individuals. We have a blast for that day.

As long as no one is slashing necks and invading homes, I think surviving a few blatant troll posts on Smashboards are the least of our worries about the community. Just play your game of choice. No one cares in the end.

 

[Renji64]

I didn't know casuals were even involved. I thought it was just people calling each other that as a reason to prove their point.



I'm one of the competitive players who enjoys the whole package but I disagree with you that it encompasses all competitive players. Because I've seen interviews and even read comments from certain people who really don't know much of anything about the characters they main or like in Smash Bros and because they are so skillful, they are always right about everything- so they believe. A well-known Melee player said "I like Kirby. I think she is cute and I like how she eats things up" or something like that very recently, actually. That's like me saying I like Ellen DeGeneres but not knowing she is a lesbian or me liking Oprah Winfrey and not knowing she is extremely rich. There are some competitive players that don't care about everything Smash has to offer where these "casuals" just might. It goes both ways and it is dependent on the individual, not a cluster.

I really don't get the stress and non-sense that has been going around.

Yeah I know what you talking with the kirby thing lol. Most competitive players i know don't care what casual players do and how they enjoy the game their way. But they get all upset on how competitive players enjoy the game and points of view. I enjoy item play and silly stuff time to time.

 

[pizzapie7]

Lol, how can you not expect immature fights to break out when most of the community is 15 or younger. This isn't a bad thing, its great that this community lets skill determine their opinion of someone rather than age. I mean, alot of the competitive pros became pros before they were adults. CPU , Mew2King, Wizzrobe, Zero. This is a game dominated by kids, let kids be kids. Getting in an argument with a kid just makes you look bad.

I feel like I was one of the youngest persons at the tournament I went to this past week and I'm a college sophomore... Not really sure what you're getting at.

Competitive players have a different set of priorities.

This. This is it. This is all it really boils down to. I want Smash to be Smash. I don't care about the "Nintendo" aspect at all. I've seen people get upset because competitive players don't know the history behind certain irrelevant characters or series and it's honestly hilarious to watch. "You can't main Captain Falcon, you don't even know any other F-Zero characters." Like what? Or I remember a bunch of casuals losing their **** during the 3DS tournament at comic-con because Scar/Toph didn't know some Assist Trophies or items or background stage characters.

 

[κomıc]

This. This is it. This is all it really boils down to. I want Smash to be Smash. I don't care about the "Nintendo" aspect at all. I've seen people get upset because competitive players don't know the history behind certain irrelevant characters or series and it's honestly hilarious to watch. "You can't main Captain Falcon, you don't even know any other F-Zero characters." Like what? Or I remember a bunch of casuals losing their **** during the 3DS tournament at comic-con because Scar/Toph didn't know some Assist Trophies or items or background stage characters.

Well, Scar did say he is "All about Nintendo." and if that was the case, at least he'd have some level of knowing what things are.

Personal story: I was trying to have a casual conversation with a competitive Brawl player and asked if Snake did not return for Smash 4, who would he main. He went on the defensive and said "That isn't confirmed!" and as I was about to explain myself about MGSV not being on Wii U as well as Konami's struggling relationship with Nintendo, he said "Well, Wii Fit isn't on Wii U."

Which is funny to say since that was announced in 2011 alongside Wii U and it was coming out later that year, 2013- even announced 3 weeks before that tournament. It didn't help that someone tried to butt in to side with this guy just because he is a skilled Smash player. It bothered me not only because the way he spoke to me, but I thought for whatever reason, that he was into other video games or at least followed Nintendo in some way. I didn't say anything because it just proved to me he was just trying to shut me up because I was new and in my mind, it was funny to watch the two go off on something they really knew nothing about. And I really have no interest in speaking to people who snap at me for something so stupid.

My point is there are some people who have this mindset that because they are good at a video game, they know everything about the industry or what is going on in the industry. I know how to drive a car but I wouldn't say I know the ins and outs more than a car mechanic because I'm the safest driver around. Or just because Grandma Poppy uses a computer doesn't mean she knows what HTML is or how to use Photoshop.

Now, people losing their **** over Scar, I didn't see it but I wouldn't put it past it.

 

[FlareHabanero]

It's like this. You have "casuals" wanting to call the shots with this and that when they nothing about it. You can see this in how character discussion rarely gets into gameplay potential. If it does, the conversation isn't very deep or someone handwaves it saying anyone can be unique.

Competitive players have a different set of priorities.

I will say that the one dimensional mentality did hurt speculation as a whole. You know, how people pretend there are only three characters viable (which ironically all three may be unlikely) and if you disagree with it you're treated as scum of the earth. Also I would say that the casual side of the argument is actually a lot worse, and that's mainly they force their ideals onto people, but it's worse because they again don't know what they're talking about to begin with and it comes out with as even more annoying. At least with the competitive side they actually have research and experience to back it up, while on the other end it's basically "I'm right you're wrong deal with it #yolo".

 

[Ravio_Yo]

Casuals.

Easy to play with.

Yeah, no.

 

[captainghost07]

I don't have a really big problem with competitive players its just what they do that ticks me off like today I was watching a video and people were playing smash at smash feat and they were jsut starting to record a match and dude was hoping they would choose battlefield and it didn't get pick and he just got so upset and I just cringe listening to that and also they were playing to was telling each other not to pick up the items and I was like man the game is not even out yet can you u just enjoy it

 

[DakotaBonez]

I feel like I was one of the youngest persons at the tournament I went to this past week and I'm a college sophomore... Not really sure what you're getting at.

I'm referring to the forum community.
The forums are mostly kids and young teens. Immature arguments and fights are bound to break out, the forums don't necessarily reflect the actual tourney scene, although alot of the smash legends are/were kids and/or young teens.

 

[pichupal]

I feel like it's more of a case of vocal minorities on both sides making it seem like each side is a lot more snide then the other. I know I've heard bad things about the competitive Smash Bros scene before, and signing up for Smash Boards, and seeing there's literally a topic called "How will we deal with the casuals" doesn't really help reaffirm the idea that either side wants to deal with the other.

Myself being a relatively casual player, and someone who wanted to get a bit more competitive with Smash 4, immediately thought "Oh, I guess people were right about the competitive community here", and it really turned me off from the community for a bit. I at least know now that most people are pretty nice here regardless of whether they call themselves casual or competitive .

I think another part of the issue is the term "casual" is pretty broad. For some people, it probably covers everything from kids who have possibly never played Smash Bros before or enjoy taunting a lot or jumping around without attacking, to people who can still play a decent technical game but enjoy playing with items, or characters that might not necessarily be good. I can see how someone playing with a screaming child online could get irritating, but then complaining about casuals attributes that aggression to a large amount of people that don't actually do that all the time.

That being said, I think sometimes the more competitive community (still could be a vocal minority) seems a bit pessimistic about Smash 4, and I'm a little worried people will get tunnel vision for the release and will only see bad aspects in Smash 4. I tried following some of the ruleset discussions in the Wii U threads, and I'm worried stages or custom moves are already being considered to be banned. I enjoy both the technical gameplay aspects and all the gaming references and charm put into the game so even though I understand why something like custom moves and certain stages would get banned, but seeing them get ignored or banned "just because" would be a bit depressing to me. My apologies if I misunderstood something about the competitive community in this part. There's quite a bit of history there regarding justifications of bans and such which is hard for a casual player to pick up immediately and understand.

 

[INs4niTY-]

I think people just get emotional for no reason. It's good to be opinionated and it's good to have different views. Casual or Competitive we have one thing in common, we take the time to read up and discuss smash on these forums so it just comes down to taste. We are happy for you guys to have your items and what not, so let us be happy to want and get some form of advance gameplay. It's a win-win situation.

 

[JV5Chris]

Everyone should be aware by now that most Smash 4 discussions within the tournament scene do not take place on Smashboards. It's on facebook, reddit, youtube, twitch streams, blogs, sponsor sites, etc.

Part of it is just a shift in general, but there is also an awareness of how defensive posters get on Smashboards around this time. You're not going to see for example Dr.PP's first impressions be posted first hand. Probably close to the feedback he gave the Treehouse reps, but it's not the sort of impression that goes over well here. Wouldn't take much for people to start trying to undermine his opinions and possibly attack his character.

 

[DahremRuhar]

X group of people vs. Y group of people.
Disrespect.
These things go hand in hand.

And the problem is not "casuals" or "competitive" players.

It's people who see themselves as part of those groups, when they aren't.

If you hate the tournament scene, you are taking the game too seriously and are not "casual" at all.
If you hate casual players, you probably aren't a relevant competitive player.

These arguments between the "two" types of Smashers only occur because one or more parties involved are being elitist.
"Casual" elitists are mad because they can't beat a decent competitive player with or without items, and "competitive" elitists are mad because they don't understand why knowing how to wavedash super fast isn't winning them games against their "scrub" friends.


Inb4 thread is locked soon b/c flaming.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

I will say that the one dimensional mentality did hurt speculation as a whole. You know, how people pretend there are only three characters viable (which ironically all three may be unlikely) and if you disagree with it you're treated as scum of the earth. Also I would say that the casual side of the argument is actually a lot worse, and that's mainly they force their ideals onto people, but it's worse because they again don't know what they're talking about to begin with and it comes out with as even more annoying. At least with the competitive side they actually have research and experience to back it up, while on the other end it's basically "I'm right you're wrong deal with it #yolo".

Um, what a chunk of ********.

A casual is every bit as privy to information around competitive gameplay as a competitive player is. How do you even define casual?

The truth is there is no one way to play Smash, and there are different variations of being competitive. There are people who like playing a certain specific way and then there are others who don't mind it but don't mind doing other things. If you are anything in between you are a player with a competitive drive.

There are many levels of competitive drive, ranging from wanting to beat your friend, to wanting to win EVO2020, and all validly make you a competitive player.

"Casuals" can only accurate describe the people who don't even know Smashboards exists. They don't even regularly play Smash, they know very little but they don't claim to because they aren't even there to argue about it. Hell if you argue about Smash, that makes you competitive.

As long as there is a desire to improve or win, you are a competitive.

Now where the "competitives" make this a really silly conversation is when they say "competitive players" and what they actually mean is "players who only play 3-4 stock on a tournament tried and tested balanced stage without ever allowing items to be on".

These players have a tendency to have a narrow field of approval for how to play the game, and thus creates a disparity among the entire rest of the player base of people who enjoy that + everything else. Those competitive types have only themselves to blame for incurring the image of being pretentious, as a result.

So to be short, the competitive tournament format is fun, but when a player tries to force or implicate that standard on everyone with basically no consideration for everyone else's preferences is when they start to look like children, the crowd fades, and people start to move away from the TV to do other things.

 

[DahremRuhar]

^and it begins.
You people are all really funny, and I look forward to beating you/taking your money in Sm4sh.

Edit: To be clear, the above poster did have some excellent points, therefore this thread will soon be locked because anger.

 

[Reila]

As a "casual", I have total respect for competitive players, I even admire some. The people I see no reason to respect are the ones who always try to belittle who prefer Brawl over Melee and recently, the ones who belittle the people who are going to buy Smash 3DS and not Smash Wii U and it so happens that the majority of the people who do that are competitive players. If they want people to respect them, they should try respecting others first. How about that?

 

[DahremRuhar]

As a "casual", I have total respect for competitive players, I even admire some. The people I see no reason to respect are the ones who always try to belittle who prefer Brawl over Melee and recently, the ones who belittle the people who are going to buy Smash 3DS and not Smash Wii U and it so happens that the majority of the people who do that are competitive players. If they want people to respect them, they should try respecting others first. How about that?

Honestly, from my experience with the more hardcore competitive crowd, most are very respectful. Usually the disrespectful ones are that way because they are insignificant, even at local tourneys. As for the Brawl vs. Melee thing, Brawl is a decent game casually, but unfortunately doesn't really support a healthy competitive metagame.

 

[Reila]

Honestly, from my experience with the more hardcore competitive crowd, most are very respectful. Usually the disrespectful ones are that way because they are insignificant, even at local tourneys. As for the Brawl vs. Melee thing, Brawl is a decent game casually, but unfortunately doesn't really support a healthy competitive metagame.

You might be right, but unfortunately, the disrespectful ones are the posters we see more often on Smashboards, NeoGAF, etc. The respectful ones are kinda rare to meet :/ Edit: For example, the two first posters of this thread (Senario and pizzapie) are two of the biggest offenders of what I posted in my previous post. More often than not I read snarky posts by them towards casual players.

I can't say I disagree with what you said above Brawl. There are certain aspects of the game that makes it... complicated for competitive play. Still, it is a fun game and IMO much better than Melee. Why do people have such a hard time accepting that? I mean, I know Melee and PM are better for competitive purposes and I am fairly sure most Brawl fans/players know that as well, but that doesn't mean we should stop playing and enjoying Brawl.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

Honestly, from my experience with the more hardcore competitive crowd, most are very respectful. Usually the disrespectful ones are that way because they are insignificant, even at local tourneys. As for the Brawl vs. Melee thing, Brawl is a decent game casually, but unfortunately doesn't really support a healthy competitive metagame.

Your opinion on its competitive value isn't really relevant to people who already enjoy putting a lot of time in to being competitive with it, though. When those players feel insulted by a "Melee player" it's a slippery slope...

 

[DahremRuhar]

Alright, let me give you a bit of my perspective on the Brawl vs. Melee debate. I'll edit this post a few times to add more, because it's gonna be a looooong one. Probably the wrong place to do this, but w/e.

First of all, I played Brawl competitively from Late 2009 to Mid 2013. I can honestly say that I'm one of the most senior members of the community in my area, despite rarely attending tournaments.

The fact of the matter is, that Brawl has a low skill ceiling as compared to Melee, it has no hope for being a spectator (e)sport, and many character match-ups are nothing more than waiting games at a high level. Most high level games have far less player-player interaction than you would see in Melee as well.

I do like Brawl, to an extent, but the fact of the matter is that it's going to die when Smash 4 comes out. Plain and simple. There is very little that can realistically be done to extend its competitive lifetime, and there is really no reason to do so anyway.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Um, what a chunk of ********.

A casual is every bit as privy to information around competitive gameplay as a competitive player is. How do you even define casual?

The truth is there is no one way to play Smash, and there are different variations of being competitive. There are people who like playing a certain specific way and then there are others who don't mind it but don't mind doing other things. If you are anything in between you are a player with a competitive drive.

There are many levels of competitive drive, ranging from wanting to beat your friend, to wanting to win EVO2020, and all validly make you a competitive player.

"Casuals" can only accurate describe the people who don't even know Smashboards exists. They don't even regularly play Smash, they know very little but they don't claim to because they aren't even there to argue about it. Hell if you argue about Smash, that makes you competitive.

As long as there is a desire to improve or win, you are a competitive.

Now where the "competitives" make this a really silly conversation is when they say "competitive players" and what they actually mean is "players who only play 3-4 stock on a tournament tried and tested balanced stage without ever allowing items to be on".

These players have a tendency to have a narrow field of approval for how to play the game, and thus creates a disparity among the entire rest of the player base of people who enjoy that + everything else. Those competitive types have only themselves to blame for incurring the image of being pretentious, as a result.

So to be short, the competitive tournament format is fun, but when a player tries to force or implicate that standard on everyone with basically no consideration for everyone else's preferences is when they start to look like children, the crowd fades, and people start to move away from the TV to do other things.

I'm pretty sure a casual player isn't savvy about competitive play if they try to force the idea that items and game breaking stages are viable and you're sucking the fun out of the game if you disagree, and making the lies that all characters are evenly balanced and the tier list doesn't exist even though there are gaps between characters and concerns about match-ups.

This isn't me saying that there is only way to play, but more like people have to remember why certain things are banned or restricted in competitive play and try to respect it. If people don't respect it, it causes a conflict that doesn't make either side happy. From experience, I've seen a lot more people trying to bash anything tournament related as the wrong way to play, but it's just as right as any other way to play it because you're given the option and nothing is forcing you to play it. If it was never an option, it wouldn't be there to begin with.

 

[Acadian Flycatcher]

Brawl created a huge rift in the community that I just never want to see again, but that's inevitable.

As a "Smashboards Casual" I just got tired of the whole "Melee is better than Brawl because...." argument.
Which is continuing now with "PM is this way and Smash 4 is that way" arguments.

I understand the competitive community needs a game to reach a certain standard to be played effectively, and Melee offered it while Brawl didn't. And the casual crowd loves every instalment because it's a new Smash Bros. game.

But everyone needs to understand that there are numerous ways to play the game, and none of them should be put down.

This site is obviously geared more towards the competitive community since it was created around it, and most casual fans haven't even heard of this site let alone do any research on the game online.

But what grinds my gears is the ongoing argument of "will Smash 4 be competitive" based off the E3 demo build. You don't even have to be part of the competitive community to know that basing a whole argument on an early demo build of a game isn't a good idea. Even when the creator couldn't stress enough that this "isn't the final version of the game".

I mean it's already a step up from Brawl in terms of gameplay, and there's no tripping.

 

[DahremRuhar]

I'm pretty sure a casual player isn't savvy about competitive play if they try to force the idea that items and game breaking stages are viable and you're sucking the fun out of the game if you disagree, and making the lies that all characters are evenly balanced and the tier list doesn't exist even though there are gaps between characters and concerns about match-ups.

This isn't me saying that there is only way to play, but more like people have to remember why certain things are banned or restricted in competitive play and try to respect it. If people don't respect it, it causes a conflict that doesn't make either side happy. From experience, I've seen a lot more people trying to bash anything tournament related as the wrong way to play, but it's just as right as any other way to play it because you're given the option and nothing is forcing you to play it. If it was never an option, it wouldn't be there to begin with.

This. Smash has always been a game with an unprecedented amount of options for customization. It just so happens that there is a large group of players, who love the bare-bones game mechanics so much, that they've formed a community around these mechanics. No reason for people to be mad about that.

Besides, if a player claims to be "competitive" and can't beat "casuals" regardless of items or stages, they probably aren't a very smart player at all, and therefore are not a very good player either. Understanding the nuances of the games' basic mechanics with all of the items, etc. stripped away, gives one an incredible advantage over those who don't, in nearly every situation.

I don't really think that there is anything wrong with that; one who practices a skill, and understands what they are practicing, should be "better" at that skill than those who do not.

Brawl created a huge rift in the community that I just never want to see again, but that's inevitable.

As a "Smashboards Casual" I just got tired of the whole "Melee is better than Brawl because...." argument.
Which is continuing now with "PM is this way and Smash 4 is that way" arguments.


But everyone needs to understand that there are numerous ways to play the game, and none of them should be put down.
But what grinds my gears is the ongoing argument of "will Smash 4 be competitive" based off the E3 demo build. You don't even have to be part of the competitive community to know that basing a whole argument on an early demo build of a game isn't a good idea. Even when the creator couldn't stress enough that this "isn't the final version of the game".

This guy gets it. Smash 4 may or may not have a competitive community. It looks to be a lot of fun for my casual side, and I hope that it will be played alongside Melee competitively.


And most "competitive" PM players are complete scrubs.

 

[κomıc]

I'm pretty sure a casual player isn't savvy about competitive play if they try to force the idea that items and game breaking stages are viable and you're sucking the fun out of the game if you disagree, and making the lies that all characters are evenly balanced and the tier list doesn't exist even though there are gaps between characters and concerns about match-ups.

I've never seen this around Smashboards. If you could point them out to us so we can see if what you're saying is indeed actually happening. If anything, you're talking about extremists and that also exists on your side of the pool, as well. I have however seen what you are referring to on Facebook and other media. A travesty. But maybe they also feel the opposing side is imposing the "Way to play Smash Bros is items off!" but that's a select bunch of people and doesn't encompass the whole group just as much as those people who say the way to play Smash is with items on. Again, it goes both ways.

Someone brought it up but really, if you're on Smashboards and are devoted so much into Smash, then you can't be a casual. You have the same passion just as a competitive player but maybe the way you view things aren't the same as the majority- who cares.

For the tier-list, personally it is irrelevant to me since I use characters I like. There is this misconception that the tier list defines the "best character" when really, from what I understand, it is based on who is being used the most and is winning most MUs. I don't know the exact details but its around that ballpark. And just because I don't know or care about how the tier list rolls doesn't make me any less competitive than anyone here. It is a good reference but that's about it.

But I think the sane people on both sides can agree to just enjoy the game the way you want. I don't really see much of this "Casual vs Competitive" and instead I see more of "Melee fans vs Brawl fans". I see people here are getting worked up the opposing side. Move past it.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

I'm pretty sure a casual player isn't savvy about competitive play if they try to force the idea that items and game breaking stages are viable and you're sucking the fun out of the game if you disagree, and making the lies that all characters are evenly balanced and the tier list doesn't exist even though there are gaps between characters and concerns about match-ups.

This isn't me saying that there is only way to play, but more like people have to remember why certain things are banned or restricted in competitive play and try to respect it. If people don't respect it, it causes a conflict that doesn't make either side happy. From experience, I've seen a lot more people trying to bash anything tournament related as the wrong way to play, but it's just as right as any other way to play it because you're given the option and nothing is forcing you to play it. If it was never an option, it wouldn't be there to begin with.

Nobody is obligated to "respect" a persons narrow vision of how a game should be played.

IMO it goes the reverse direction, "competitives" need to respect that not everybody prefers to play their way 100% of the time.

 

[DahremRuhar]

Nobody is obligated to "respect" a persons narrow vision of how a game should be played.

IMO it goes the reverse direction, "competitives" need to respect that not everybody prefers to play their way 100% of the time.

Bro, stahp. Where are you meeting these terrible people?

I have played competitively for years, 5 in fact and have only seen that attitude like, twice.
I seriously wonder, have you EVER been to a tournament?

Anime conventions don't count either.

 

[Reila]

From experience, I've seen a lot more people trying to bash anything tournament related as the wrong way to play

You should pay more attention to the posts around here, them.

 

[DahremRuhar]

You should pay more attention to the posts around here, them.

I think the problem is that all of you new members think that people act the same in real life as they do on the internet.

For example, I'd probably laugh and walk away if I ran into people arguing "competitive vs. casual" in real life.

 

[κomıc]

I think the problem is that all of you new members think that people act the same in real life as they do on the internet.

For example, I'd probably laugh and walk away if I ran into people arguing "competitive vs. casual" in real life.

It's sad that you have to throw out the "new members" out there. They may be new here, but they're not new to life or the internet. And you would hope people are consistent with how they think and behave online as they do offline. It's easier to talk about things online than in person. Conversation is conversation, no matter what medium is being used or if you're sitting in your backyard drinking delicious sweet tea.

 

[DahremRuhar]

It's sad that you have to throw out the "new members" out there. They may be new here, but they're not new to life or the internet. And you would hope people are consistent with how they think and behave online as they do offline. It's easier to talk about things online than in person. Conversation is conversation, no matter what medium is being used or if you're sitting in your backyard drinking delicious sweet tea.

I agree with you, to an extent. It was improper of me to throw the new members under the bus, however, you and I both know that people generally assume a different persona via the internet, more so when they are insecure about the way they are in "real life".

All I'm saying is that most elitists on this forum only act as such because they wouldn't say such things in person.
Really no reason to spend so much time arguing about these people, unless you find it entertaining.


I offer my genuine apology to new members, for unjustly calling them out, and generalizing them.

 

[JV5Chris]

To be fair, the "you're playing the game wrong" kind of arguments have started disappearing thanks to the popularity of Twitch streaming and NOA's reversal to support the scene. Seen quite a few posters recently pivot from debating over Sakurai's game intent to voicing thoughts on future tournament rules.

 

[pizzapie7]

Well, Scar did say he is "All about Nintendo." and if that was the case, at least he'd have some level of knowing what things are.

Personal story: I was trying to have a casual conversation with a competitive Brawl player and asked if Snake did not return for Smash 4, who would he main. He went on the defensive and said "That isn't confirmed!" and as I was about to explain myself about MGSV not being on Wii U as well as Konami's struggling relationship with Nintendo, he said "Well, Wii Fit isn't on Wii U."

Which is funny to say since that was announced in 2011 alongside Wii U and it was coming out later that year, 2013- even announced 3 weeks before that tournament. It didn't help that someone tried to butt in to side with this guy just because he is a skilled Smash player. It bothered me not only because the way he spoke to me, but I thought for whatever reason, that he was into other video games or at least followed Nintendo in some way. I didn't say anything because it just proved to me he was just trying to shut me up because I was new and in my mind, it was funny to watch the two go off on something they really knew nothing about. And I really have no interest in speaking to people who snap at me for something so stupid.

My point is there are some people who have this mindset that because they are good at a video game, they know everything about the industry or what is going on in the industry. I know how to drive a car but I wouldn't say I know the ins and outs more than a car mechanic because I'm the safest driver around. Or just because Grandma Poppy uses a computer doesn't mean she knows what HTML is or how to use Photoshop.

Now, people losing their **** over Scar, I didn't see it but I wouldn't put it past it.

I can't say I've ever seen people saying they know what's best for the industry because they are good at Smash Bros. But I could totally see that happening, sadly. Assholes will be assholes, and both sides of this petty bull**** is apparently full of them.

@ Reila The snarkyness goes both ways. All of the regular posters in these arguments on both sides tend to be snarky and belittle the other side. It's all in good fun. I could list as many snarky, asshole posters on the "casual" side as there are on the "competitive" side. I don't mean to offend anyone, it's just the internet. If you can't handle disagreements I don't know what to tell you...

 

[κomıc]

I agree with you, to an extent. It was improper of me to throw the new members under the bus, however, you and I both know that people generally assume a different persona via the internet, more so when they are insecure about the way they are in "real life".

All I'm saying is that most elitists on this forum only act as such because they wouldn't say such things in person.
Really no reason to spend so much time arguing about these people, unless you find it entertaining.


I offer my genuine apology to new members, for unjustly calling them out, and generalizing them.

Yeah, I know. I brought it up a long while back about some people being fugazy in my local scene without even naming anyone and some took offense to it. It is what it is. Take offense to it then you must be guilty.

Anyhow, yes, everyone should know this. I'd hope so.

 

[DahremRuhar]

I can't say I've ever seen people saying they know what's best for the industry because they are good at Smash Bros. But I could totally see that happening, sadly. *******s will be *******s, and both sides of this petty bull**** is apparently full of them.

@ Reila The snarkyness goes both ways. All of the regular posters in these arguments on both sides tend to be snarky and belittle the other side. It's all in good fun. I could list as many snarky, ******* posters on the "casual" side as there are on the "competitive" side. I don't mean to offend anyone, it's just the internet. If you can't handle disagreements I don't know what to tell you...

I'm certainly not a regular poster on these arguments, and I refuse to take a side, but I certainly am snarky.
As much as possible in fact.

And that's a lot of asterisks. Not to offend you, but people usually take what you say more seriously when you use potty language sparingly. It kinda loses it's novelty when overused.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

Bro, stahp. Where are you meeting these terrible people?

I have played competitively for years, 5 in fact and have only seen that attitude like, twice.
I seriously wonder, have you EVER been to a tournament?

Anime conventions don't count either.

At a tournament people don't tend to be outwardly offensive because as I stated in my first post in the thread, it's different. You create awkward situations, sometimes even aggressive ones.

I'm guessing you are probably aware that this forum hosts many people who go to tournaments, correct? So if someone says they see a lot of unnecessary disrespect here, it's really irrelevant whether the offended player goes to tournaments or not. I assumed the logic was simple. It's the same effect, whether it's done on here on in person.

 

[DahremRuhar]

At a tournament people don't tend to be outwardly offensive because as I stated in my first post in the thread, it's different. You create awkward situations, sometimes even aggressive ones.

I'm guessing you are probably aware that this forum hosts many people who go to tournaments, correct? So if someone says they see a lot of unnecessary disrespect here, it's really irrelevant whether the offended player goes to tournaments or not. I assumed the logic was simple.

Hardly irrelevant. If you find yourself in an awkward situation in person because of something on these forums, you take people's internet masks too seriously. If you find yourself in an aggressive situation b/c of something on these forums, than the parties involved probably need psychiatric evaluation.

Also, that bolded word above. See it? It has no place on a forum. It doesn't work. If you would like me to send you a list of the logical fallacies in your posts, I might do it after I get home from work. Someday. If I get really bored.


Just as a treat, I'll give you an example.

IMO it goes the reverse direction, "competitives" need to respect that not everybody prefers to play their way 100% of the time.

Not Logic.

 

[Chimera]

I can't wait for this game to come out, so y'all will have better **** to talk about.

 

[Deleted member 245254]

Hardly irrelevant. If you find yourself in an awkward situation in person because of something on these forums, you take people's internet masks too seriously. If you find yourself in an aggressive situation b/c of something on these forums, than the parties involved probably need psychiatric evaluation.

I didn't know that this was a debate about how serious you should be interpreting posts on the internet, I'm pretty sure everyone is different and you have no place in dictating how one chooses to take a comment.

You're like the guy telling women they invite **** by wearing promiscuous clothes.

Just saying "it's the internet" is not really a valid excuse.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I can't wait for this game to come out, so y'all will have better **** to talk about.

"This isn't Melee so it sucks" and "Why does this roster suck so much?" isn't what I'd call better.

 

[DahremRuhar]

I didn't know that this was a debate about how serious you should be interpreting posts on the internet, I'm pretty sure everyone is different and you have no place in dictating how one chooses to take a comment.

You're like the guy telling women they invite **** by wearing promiscuous clothes.

Just saying "it's the internet" is not really a valid excuse.

In response to the bolded text, get some help.

And, uh, I think that if you are getting aggressive with someone because they hurt your feelings over a forum, you need some serious help.

As someone who struggles with sometimes crippling mental illness, I can honestly say from past experience that taking things that people say about how you play a video game too seriously, is genuinely unhealthy.


Edit: You are boring me. I'm just gonna go sleep now.