Resident Evil 4 Mafia - Game Over! Town Wins!!!

[Dooms]

The game may already be broken.

Your lynch proves this to be true or false.

We're not going to lynch someone else.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I'm pretty sure Chaco's already pointed out that Chibo hadn't confirmed anyone outside of Adumb. I'll throw Dark Horse but you, Ranmaru, and others aren't confirmed at all. The only confirmation you have is Adumb and I guess Chibo. I wouldn't call that broken.

 

[Dooms]

Oh.

So you're just wrong.

Okay.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

You can make cases without being condescending. Please stop.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Better question: how am I confirmed scum?

 

[Dooms]

Condescending? Okay.

You're confirmed scum/indy for sure due to game breaking. If you're town, then we can lynch within the 11 of us still alive and we can actually start playing.

Lets hope you're really town.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Am I? Where is this 100% proof? What is your case against Swiss?

 

[Dooms]

Why should I have the case when the game could be broken?

Try again.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Because the game isn't broken. You just think it is when you don't even have proof of it. Try again.

 

[Dooms]

Seems you're still trying.

How come you're the only person that can't see how this game is broken?

We're not going to lynch within our 7 people, and honestly, we're not going to move off of you.

Try if you want. I have quite a while to tell you that you're wrong.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Oh no, I completely understand that it is broken. I'm just getting it back on track again.

Vote: Joey

Name one scum that wouldn't drool at the opportunity to move town into D2 down two townies and apparently without any leads. Throw in his inability to make cases,

Why should I have the case when the game could be broken?

even against the guy he wants to lynch today and you've got scum motive and scummy play written all over this.

Why the **** would I replace in and not try? I'm not going to go quietly to a grave I didn't dig. That's Swiss' grave. I'm WashedLaundry.

 

[Dooms]

"Getting it back on track"

Not possible.

Our leads are the fact that this game is broken, and Swiss straight up refused to cooperate with town.

Try all you want then. Not like you will change anything until you flip.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I have your permission to try? Awesome.

"All persons ought to endeavor to follow what is right, and not what is established."

I'm living by this line until I'm dead or until we're off this stupid "we employ gamebreaking strategies here" idea. One or the other.

 

[Dooms]

"Permission" implying that you needed permission anyways, since you're already in your grave.

Until your lynch the only option is the first one. Someone put gasoline in his grave so we can light it on fire please? Thanks.

 

[CT Chia]

Laundry if you are town then you'll fully claim along with everything else you've said to help give us as much info as possible since you won't be able to talk after you die

if everyone on the list of 7 i made is willing to admit that they're town (lol), I don't know why you all don't want to work together to essentially win this game right now
it's madness

if this game ends and all of those 7 are indeed town, then i'm going to be really annoyed lol

as long as scum doesn't have safeclaims with the color in it, it's legit

if we lynch laundry and he flips scum, it practically confirms that scum doesnt have such safeclaims

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Every read I've tried to pull on this game is based on a Swiss Flip.

Is that worded better?

Here have my scum list:
Swiss
Nix
Kataefi
Chaco
BeatStick
RedRuy

Why? Because of everything that has happened with the colors obviously.

How do I fix this? Wait for the Swiss flip

If Swiss flip comes around and he flips town, then D2 may start over as D1 basicly. We may have to start from scratch and rethink everything based on what's happened and pull different scum picks since 7-6 out of 11 players (At D2 start) will be un-confirmed town. Do you realize how important this flip is to my views?

I can do things based on what happens if he flips town, but I've already stated that the next person I will persue if that's the case is Ranmaru.

I can't "dig deeper" into the game because there's nothing to dig into until Swiss flips.

I can't believe only Kat and I suspect you. I really can't. There's a giant neon sign pointing out the sideline you're on and yet NOBODY sees it.

Since the start of the phase, you've rode everything Chibo's said without putting any of your own thought out into the phase, like Kat said. Even when asked to put some of your own ideas out on the table, you make excuses for not doing it and then continue to hide them, saying everything is dependent on my flip. The only person you'll commit on is me, which is incredibly convenient for scum.

You realize the possibility of going into D2 down two townies with no potential leads. Yet you still advocate that situation anyway because then you'll contribute. "I'm not doing anything now but once this townie gets lynched, I'll do something! Promise!" sounds exactly the same as "Hey guys, I'm lurking but after this weekend, I'll do something, promise!" Different scenarios, same result.

Do I need a signal flare? Smoke rings? Skylights and pointing flashers? What? Why is it worth it to prove that Chibo's mentality is wrong and he'll have confirmed maybe three people, if that when we could simply lynch a probable scum trying to take advantage of a bad situation for town? C'mon.

Half of the people that are listed as scum picks have very little posts or none at all, while the other half don't really connect to Swiss.

SO WHAT CAN WE GATHER FROM THIS?

Scum always have a safe claim. They may or may not include town color.

So let's waste time trying to abuse moderator mistakes instead of playing the game like it's meant to be play. Do you realize how advantageous of a position you're about to put scum into? Why are you okay with this?

Requesting Town re-evaluates its position.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Laundry if you are town then you'll fully claim along with everything else you've said to help give us as much info as possible since you won't be able to talk after you die

I already have. I'm the Masked Salesman, have seagreen text, and I'm vanilla.

I mean, I've already claimed this. What the **** more do you want from me? You keep telling me to give information but you never ask any questions for me to answer.

 

[CT Chia]

Didn't I ask that before you said you were vt? or maybe i was ninja'd? idk but role is what i was looking for, aka vt

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Nothing, he's vanilla. I realize there isn't much weight to this but it is what it is. And I have no clue why he was replaced.

Yes, I'm vanilla.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

And I'll put this out there:

I am the Masked Salesman. If I am lying, please counterclaim me. Maybe this'll end the game-breaking shenanigans.

 

[Dooms]

You're saying it like the person that you subbed into did anything except call us fools and give us a lynch list without any reasons.

Care to explain any of the mistakes he's made?

You're still the lynch for today. Lynch me tomorrow. Lynch me any day afterwards. Hell, modkill or replace me out. You can NOT avoid that lynch unless we ignore the fact that this game was broken(Note: I'm fine with you not being the lynch if you can convince the town to not look at this game breaking anymore. Good luck and have fun.)

This all happened before you joined, so of course you're going to regret it. You also may very well be scum trying to convince us not to lynch you and to lynch one of the 7 people that are very well confirmed town according to the people that were there AT THE TIME IT TOOK PLACE. To us, we have 6-7 confirmed town.

You can't do much to fix a broken game. Good luck with your endeavors in breaking it. Have fun in your grave as you try.

Oh, just actually read your post.

Your lynch tells us pretty much if:

Swiss was just being arrogant and silly (or maybe this is what he feared, since he got mod replaced.

OR

Swiss is scum and they don't have a color safe claim.

This is really important as well.

I've already given my views for post Day1, and I will go into them stronger day 2 when I HAVE A FLIP TO BACK THEM UP.

Town:

Do you want to reconsider this whole plan and start actually playing this game?

Or do you want to get Swiss lynched and continue to play this game the way we are now?

Unvote until you all decide.

 

[JTB]

Why would someone counterclaim a flavor role? That makes no sense at all.

 

[Dooms]

Masked Salesman is confirmed VT due to flavor, yes?

I've heard people say that he could be scum. Your character proves what?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Where did people suggest he could be scum?

 

[CT Chia]

Joey why are you not voting him

There is zero reason to erase all of the work already done and go back on about 50 pages of content

Everyone stop taking Laundry's posts with so much value. Let him say what he wants, then if he flips town, go back and take it for what it is, otherwise if he flips scum/indy then ignore it all

 

[Dooms]

I picked up on it JTB, but who cares rly

and tbh I don't see that character being townie really, maybe indy?

Here you go WashedLaundry~

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Ok, WL. Why are you saying we'll go into D2 with no leads? I have plenty of leads of who might be who. But most of those depend on your flip. I would rather you die and have the color shenanigans cleared then go with someone else and have this wifom still up to bat.

tl;dr your flip gives town alot of knowledge regardless of alignment.

 

[Dooms]

Because I'd rather be modkilled right now (J please take action) then keep on playing a game that is completely broken.

Finally got that out there thank god.

It's why my mood changed earlier, and it's why I'm being such a **** now. I really really don't want to play like this, since it could very well be wrong, let alone we're ruining the game that J spent his time making this game for all of us to play.

Seriously. Consider this:

Dexter mafia comes around, and everyone just subs out.

Your game is ruined. Good job.

I know I was part of this whole gotdamn thing, but I've realized the mistake I've made.

I don't even care anymore. I'm just going to assume that swiss was being cocky and arrogant and that this whole thing has no meaning.

Posting next with reasons for my NEW vote and lynch target:

Vote: Ranmaru

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

You're saying it like the person that you subbed into did anything except call us fools and give us a lynch list without any reasons.

Because I'm not him. I replaced him, but the only thing he and I shared was the role.

Care to explain any of the mistakes he's made?

I'm not him. I don't know why he refused to be cooperative, don't know why he was subbed out, pretty much everything about him. It's not like I have talked to him. Why are you trying to make me explain something that even you yourself cannot?

I'm not him. I haven't talked to him. There's no way I can understand his actions any more than you can at the moment. Don't expect an explanation for it.

You're still the lynch for today. Lynch me tomorrow. Lynch me any day afterwards. Hell, modkill or replace me out. You can NOT avoid that lynch unless we ignore the fact that this game was broken(Note: I'm fine with you not being the lynch if you can convince the town to not look at this game breaking anymore. Good luck and have fun.)

I'm working on it.

This all happened before you joined, so of course you're going to regret it. You also may very well be scum trying to convince us not to lynch you and to lynch one of the 7 people that are very well confirmed town according to the people that were there AT THE TIME IT TOOK PLACE. To us, we have 6-7 confirmed town.

I've read the game since its start. Too used to people replacing in at AiB. I know what happened.

I'm going to attack scum. I'm pretending as if the game isn't broken. The only way to fix a broken game is to ignore a flaw and play as if it doesn't exist. Especially when the exploitation of said flaw is just as full of holes.

You can't do much to fix a broken game. Good luck with your endeavors in breaking it. Have fun in your grave as you try.

Worthless line is worthless.

Oh, just actually read your post.

See above. Not reading posts? Great town play. Let's ignore arguments simply because they incriminate me. "I don't care if he's pointing at me because there's nothing he can do about it."

The only thing worse than scum is scum that thinks it's invincible. Heads-up: you're not. :]

Your lynch tells us pretty much if:

Swiss was just being arrogant and silly (or maybe this is what he feared, since he got mod replaced.

OR

Swiss is scum and they don't have a color safe claim.

This is really important as well.

I've already given my views for post Day1, and I will go into them stronger day 2 when I HAVE A FLIP TO BACK THEM UP.

Day's not over, man, hate to break it to you. No one gets a pass to do nothing until that lynch happens. I don't care if I'm scheduled to die, I'm not wasting any scrap of time for the four people who refuse to kill me and will continue to refuse it unless I do something to convince them that I'm scum. It's obvious that they won't waste their time on game-breaking mechanics.

Town:

Do you want to reconsider this whole plan and start actually playing this game?

Or do you want to get Swiss lynched and continue to play this game the way we are now?

Unvote until you all decide.

MORAL VICTORY ACHIEVED.

I'd rather play the game.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

... Joey, your going to avoid logic and vote for someone else regardless of what evidence lies before you? That is just ignorant and selfish. Please revote WL.

 

[Dooms]

No Seph.

I'm restarting this game.

Thank you Washed Laundry.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Ok, WL. Why are you saying we'll go into D2 with no leads? I have plenty of leads of who might be who. But most of those depend on your flip. I would rather you die and have the color shenanigans cleared then go with someone else and have this wifom still up to bat.

tl;dr your flip gives town alot of knowledge regardless of alignment.

I'm not. I'm using Joey's words. I'm not dumb enough to believe that proving that this mechanic exploitation wrong is going to completely null every post up to then and completely prevent the town from having reads.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

No Seph.

I'm restarting this game.

Thank you Washed Laundry.

<3

I'm cool with people who'd rather play a game than abuse mistakes by the host.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

No Seph.

I'm restarting this game.

Thank you Washed Laundry.

 

[Dooms]

Okay so Ranmaru.

When he started playing, he was like "Whoa guys" basicly. Trying to get everyone to see that what we were doing was wrong. Okay yeah.

Then though, he tried to start rushing the day to end. He stated that we had more than enough information, he even said "Too much". Okay. Yeah. That works. Right. No.

Then, after we decided that Swiss was the lynch target, he's like "Wait, we have more information to get" and stuff along those lines.

Why would anyone change suddenly like this, especially right after we decided who to lynch for sure?

After the color was said, too. This shouldn't be a reason to not lynch Swiss.

Not only that, but right afterwards, he decided to go completely against what the town wanted. Not hammering (Thank you, honestly), and even "claiming the right to hammer" as to prove that he had a huge amount of power in this game.

Yeah. That's my new target.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

And now that he's willing to commit and actually play, there goes my case on him. Chibo and Adum are likely town.

Vote: Red Ryu
Back to you! Ranmaru's still a good case though.

 

[Dooms]

Oh my god I'm dying right now. My views just completely changed so suddenly loool.

I like the Red Ruy vote as well. He hasn't been playing completely townie, confusing us and not explaining anything he says, especially the line that said "Seeing how this will play out will be interesting". Good pick :D

 

[CT Chia]

You are making a VERY bad mistake

We have a very good lead that SwissLaundry is scum
By lynching him, if he flips scum, we basically have 7 confirmed townies, one of which is you

YOU ARE LETTING THE VERY PERSON THAT IS ON DEATH ROW CONVINCE YOU TO NOT TAKING THIS ADVANTAGE
hint: this is extremely anti town of him

it's one thing for one of the 7 to do such a thing, but the person that is on his death bed, and a claimed vanilla townie at that. is it the end of the world if he dies? no. the pros for lynching him WOW OUTWEIGH the negatives.

And think here for a moment. Seriously why was Swiss replaced? I've never seen a mod force replace someone for not saying why. Was it a restriction he didn't follow? Clearly not. Doing that results in a penalty (like a vote on him), not a forced replacement (not to mention such a game mechanic can not be done in case there are no replacements). Replacements come from one of two reasons, activity prods or player request. Honestly, it extremely seems that Swiss got fed up with this, was upset he was essentially screwed by the question (if he could have answered it properly, aka knew the answer, he wouldn't have been screwed), and went for one last ditch maneuver - replacing out. I've even done it as scum before when there was heat on me. It's a simple answer and a last ditch resort. For some reason when someone replaces out people tend to believe the new person more and be forgiving for whatever reason.

The answer is that Swiss requested to be replaced and asked that J not say that he requested it. That is the only possible answer. If anyone else would like to provide another plausible cause for this, please do so.

Laundry being in the game does not change anything about the past. Swiss still couldn't answer the question, which was the whole purpose of me asking it in the first place.

 

[Dooms]

Did you notice that Swiss broke his posting restriction?

I'm going to assume that's the case for the lack of me caring about it. I'd rather care about what's going on now and not about what broke the game.

Why did I do this? Why do I think that this is a good plan over breaking the game?

I care about J. He got me into forum mafia. If I were to be the person to completely ruin his game, or to assume that it would be the case, then dear god I would stop playing. That's rude to him, and disrespectful to players all around. Especially the ones that could have gotten dice from this game if we played it regularly.

I'm not doing this because I think the plan is faulty. I'm doing this because I care about J, I care about the players, and I care about myself. I will not say anything farther about this. I am sorry if you don't like my course of action.

Also note that the other side of the spectrum is at majority. I suggest that you join this side and realize that there are better ways to play this game.

I've wanted to say this ever since I posted the first :/ by the way. Riddle gave me reason to. This is a personal choice, and quite honestly, it's the better choice.

My vote will stay.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Swiss trolled the game and was replaced because he continued to troll the game with wit.

Glad to see WL is smart and sees the BS behind Chibo's so called breaking of the game.

Man I don't get Joey anymore.