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The concept is simple: what are the varietal array of explanations speculators used to consider currently-playable characters to have been likely/unlikely choices to be included in the first place?
This of course, currently pertains to the playable character roster for Super Smash Brothers on the Wii U and 3DS, although I may add amendments for Melee and Brawl sections later on (perhaps even alongside the original 64 version, if it is possible). As of now, this will only extend to newcomers.
The intention of this thread is not to ridicule the fault-finding doubters or the undecided neutral-minded for their original mentalities. It is also not a place to put the proponents on a pedestal. Rather, for the historical purposes of a future reference guide, it is to serve as an informational article that not only provides insight to the speculative history of this current time period, but may also aid in the assessment of future character introductions.
Obviously, the context of Super Smash Brothers 5 will be distinctively different than Super Smash Brothers 4, yet nonetheless it may still be of a useful service.
Note: The arguments do not have to necessarily make sense, they just have to have been commonly used as a counterpoint.
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Super Smash Brothers: Wii U and 3DS
Mega Man
[collapse="Competitors"] - Generally, other "legendary" third-party characters, such as (in debatable terms) Pac-Man, Simon Belmont, and Bomberman.[/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"] - One of the most immensely popular character requests in general, even as a third-party character - strong fan-base desire dates back to Brawl's development.
- Highly iconic video-game character and series, as well as one of the most well-known.
- Sonic and Snake opened the flood gates for future third-party requests.
- The idea of Mega Man fighting Mario and Sonic in an All-Star fighting game of video-game characters is too golden of an opportunity to pass up for Smash brothers.
- Quite marketable to the hardcore competitive fan-base of gamers.
- Easy-to-implement move-set, given the various power ups of the Mega Man series.[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]- Third-party requests should have been ignored in favor of first-party entities.
- If Sonic and Snake were in the game, then Mega Man would not simply because of an excess of third-party characters.
- Masahiro Sakurai would not go through all the trouble of contractual agreements with Capcom when he could work with co-developers Namco instead.
- Arguably, Capcom's substandard treatment of the character throughout the years.
- Mega Man's move-set would be either too similar to Samus, or be based entirely on projectiles (which may not translate well in-game).[/collapse]
Villager
[collapse="Competitors"]- Tom Nook
- Mr. Resetti
- Isabelle[/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"] - Appears in the considerably popular Animal Crossing series, which has been previously represented in Brawl with several trophies, stickers, an item, and even a stage with a musical selection.
- Move-set potential is boundless, with inspiration drawing from the Animal Crossing series, including Pitfalls, weeds, umbrellas, and Gyroids.[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]- Potentially the most damning case against the Villager at the time, Masahiro Sakurai once considered the character to be "too peaceful" for the brutal physicality of Smash Brothers.[/collapse]
Wii Fit Trainer
* Given the almost non-existent support for the Wii Fit Trainer, lack of any discussion pertaining to her, and the shock value of her unexpected announcement, there will be no Supportive or Detracting Arguments sections in order to avoid creeping determinism. If there is to be any in the future, it will be within a hindsight perspective.
[collapse="Competitors"]Not self-evident, except perhaps for general "WTF" characters.[/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive and Detracting Arguments"]None were used; no one brought her up.[/collapse]
Rosalina
[collapse="Competitors"] - Toad
- Bowser Jr.
- Paper Mario
- Waluigi[/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]
- The prodigious success of the Super Mario Galaxy games, both critically and commercially, in which Rosalina serves an important role (moreso the first than second, though).
- Becoming a fast rising superstar in the Mario series, including widespread venture into other sub-series, including playability in both Mario Kart Wii and 7, and Super Mario 3D World. She was also non-playability in Mario Party: Island Tour.
- In addition, her appearances in three consecutive home console platformers for the main Mario series were considered important.
- Debuting within the appropriate time period for Masahiro Sakurai to finalize his roster selection.
- Would possess highly unique traits as a character, especially in comparison to her competitors, such as using Lumas as projectiles or gravity-based physics.
- With the confirmations of Mario, Bowser, Luigi, and Peach in a short time-span, Rosalina could be revealed alongside them easily.
- Toad, who was generally seen as the highly prioritized Mario newcomer, was confirmed multiple times as Peach's Neutral Special (even in a group shot with the Super Mario 3D World cast as an attack), which severely diminished or even destroyed his chances of playabilty, while elevating Rosalina and the rest of the competition.
- Super Mario Galaxy confirmed as a stage.
- Despite several screenshots of Galaxy characters (such as Lubba) serving as background elements for the stage, Rosalina and the Comet Observatory was inconspicuously absent.
- Through the November 2013 release of Super Mario 3D World, it would give an opportunity for a reveal trailer in the Nintendo Direct for December.[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]
- Competitors, especially Toad, are more highly prioritized in terms of series importance.
- The Mario series did not need another Mario character, given either an "over-representation" of the series, the limitations for this roster, or even both.
- Move-set potential could only amount to either being a Peach clone.
- An alternate costume for Peach is a better idea.
- Peach is good enough.
- Using Lumas as attacks may seem uncharacteristic for Rosalina.
- She would be better off as an Assist Trophy, such as using a protective barrier against projectiles or shooting Lumas from the sky.
- Even with the "main" Toad's relegation to Peach's Neutral Special, there are several other Toads within the species, including the increasingly-important Blue Toad and Galaxy's own Captain Toad.
- Also, Toad could be recolored later on in development, to give way to another playable Toad.[/collapse]
Little Mac
[collapse="Competitors"] - New series newcomers, as a result of less roster space this time around. [/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]
- A highly-requested character for several years, even during Brawl's development (although support mainly generated in the West).
- Also iconic among the remaining Nintendo "All-Stars".
- The early reveal of the Punch-Out!! Stadium indicating Little Mac's presence; while it did not explicitly refer to Punch-Out!! directly, it seemed to contain several references to the series.
- Mainstream exposure as an Assist Trophy to a worldwide audience, as well as laying a groundwork for a general move-set.
- Punch-Out!! series receiving a revival through the Wii system, right after Brawl's release. It was met positively.
- Series representation of a popular and long-running franchise.
- The West becoming seemingly more prioritized.[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]
- The Villager's wearing Boxing Gloves in his Neutral Combo may render Little Mac redundant, in the same sense the Villager's Up Special would render Balloon Fighter redundant.
- Despite the Stadium stage, it may have not been related to Punch-Out!! at all. Even then, stages do not always correlate to characters. See: Hanenbow and PictoChat.
- Masahiro Sakurai stating in an interview fighting characters (such as those from the Tekken series) would not "really merge well".
- Apparently lacking an inspirational move-set as a result of being a boxer (can only attack with punches).
- Minimal support in Japan.[/collapse]
Greninja
[collapse="Competitors"] -Mewtwo, Jigglypuff, Zoroark, Genesect, PkMn Trainer, and Hawlucha[/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]
-Bipedial, extremely popular Pokemon for looks and battle.
-Could be unique with water moves rarely seen in movesets
-From the newest generation; a Pokemon from the latest generation is always a newcomer (Pikachu/Jigglypuff, Pichu, Lucario[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]
-Too new. [As an extension of this point: Any of the pros Greninja had regarding popularity were post-release only, and X and Y were out too late to affect Smash]
-Pokemon has too many characters as is.
-People thought Brawl's Pokemon selection + Mewtwo was the most likely outcome, leaving no space for Greninja.[/collapse]
Mii
[collapse="Competitors"] - New series newcomers, as a result of less roster space this time around. [/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]
- Also iconic among the remaining Nintendo "All-Stars".
- Are one of the biggest sellers in Nintendo history. (Wii Sports)[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]
- Find Mii stage showed prince Mii in the background, and the Global Smash Power confirmed.
- Online multiplayer will cause massive inappropriate chaos if Miis are confirmed.
- Apparently lacking an inspirational move-set as a result of being generic.[/collapse]
Palutena
[collapse="Competitors"] - Other veteran series getting a character. [/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]
- One of the most highly requested characters in Smash 4.
- The Palutena double picture leak.
- The Gematsu leak.
- Possibly Sakurai's bias.[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]
- Apparently lacking an inspirational move-set as a result of nothing noticable to take moves from KI:U
- Sakurai's bias causing him to not add Palutena[/collapse]
Pac-Man
[collapse="Competitors"] - Generally, other "legendary" third-party characters, such as (in debatable terms) Pac-Man, Simon Belmont, and Bomberman.[/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]
- Bandai Namco developing the game, making the rights to Pac-Man a possibility.
- Highly iconic video-game character and series, as well as one of the most well-known.
- Sonic and Snake opened the flood gates for future third-party requests.
- The idea of Pac-Man fighting Mario, Megaman, and Sonic in an All-Star fighting game of video-game characters is too golden of an opportunity to pass up for Smash brothers.
- The Gematsu 2013 leak.
- The mysterious Namco characters and items that have been posted in pictures recently.[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]- Third-party requests should have been ignored in favor of first-party entities.
- If Sonic and Snake were in the game, then Pac-Man would not simply because of an excess of third-party characters.
- Masahiro Sakurai would not go through all the trouble of contractual agreements with Capcom when he could work with co-developers Namco instead.
- Lacks inspirational moveset to take from.[/collapse]
Robin
[collapse="Competitors"] - Chrom, Lucina, and Roy[/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]
- Unique moveset; not a sword user.
- One of the main characters of the newest Fire Emblem installment.
- Robin's theme Id being played in Tiki's trophy scene.
- Being able to switch from male to female made the tactician more likely.
[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]
- Chrom was arguably more important in the game Fire Emblem Awakening than Robin.
- The Gematsu leak (when it was credible) and Chrom being in it.[/collapse]
Lucina
[collapse="Competitors"] - Chrom, Robin, and Roy.[/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]
- Is a female sword user.
- One of the main characters of the newest Fire Emblem installment.
- One of the most popular characters in Awakening.
[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]
- Chrom was arguably more important in the game Fire Emblem Awakening than Lucina.
- She's likely to be a clone.
- Was argued to be likely as an alt. costume.[/collapse]
Shulk
[collapse="Competitors"] - Isaac, any new series competitor, mainly RPG protagonists[/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]- Great potential with the Arts and the Monado.
- His game has been critically acclaimed as one of the best JRPG out there on the Wii.
- First-Party wholly owned by Nintendo.
- His game has been praised for the graphics, graphics, and music, pretty much every basic criticized area out there.
- The Gematsu leak and the Ninka_Kiwi leak, has leaked art and footage too.[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]- Was considered as an average swordsman.
- Was considered to be an Ike clone.
- Series was considered too new.[/collapse]
Duck Hunt Dog
[collapse="Competitors"] - Pretty much any retro character suggested for Smash Bros.[/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]- One of the most iconic retro Nintendo characters
- Original Moveset with the ducks and the NES Zapper.[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]- Was outshined by Takamaru and Lip in retro character popularity.
- Retros were considered less of a possibility thanks to Little Mac (Who everyone thought was the only retro)[/collapse]
Bowser Jr.
[collapse="Competitors"] - Toad, Paper Mario, Rosalina, Waluigi./collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]- Another popular Super Mario character just like Rosalina.
- Moveset potential with the paintbrush.
- One of the most iconic Mario villains.
- Important in every recent Mario game such as NSMB, NSMB2, NSMBU, etc.[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]- Was considered unlikely after Rosalina's reveal.
- At the same time, the paintbrush concept led to people not believing Jr. at being playable.[/collapse]
Dark Pit
[collapse="Competitors"]Viridi, Magnus, Medusa, Hades[/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]- Moveset potential with the Dark Pit Staff.
- The Dark Pit Tweet.
- Dark Pit's tease in Palutena's trailer.
- Clones being confirmed with Lucina.
- Easy to clone.
- Could be used to market KI:U[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]- Stubbornly was considered to be an alt., even after the tease in Palutena's trailer.
- The Dark Pit tease was similar to Tom Nook's, not being playable.
- Alts. of characters were considered not possible. [/collapse]
Credits Include:
...Currently Working in Progress...
This of course, currently pertains to the playable character roster for Super Smash Brothers on the Wii U and 3DS, although I may add amendments for Melee and Brawl sections later on (perhaps even alongside the original 64 version, if it is possible). As of now, this will only extend to newcomers.
The intention of this thread is not to ridicule the fault-finding doubters or the undecided neutral-minded for their original mentalities. It is also not a place to put the proponents on a pedestal. Rather, for the historical purposes of a future reference guide, it is to serve as an informational article that not only provides insight to the speculative history of this current time period, but may also aid in the assessment of future character introductions.
Obviously, the context of Super Smash Brothers 5 will be distinctively different than Super Smash Brothers 4, yet nonetheless it may still be of a useful service.
Note: The arguments do not have to necessarily make sense, they just have to have been commonly used as a counterpoint.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Super Smash Brothers: Wii U and 3DS
Mega Man
[collapse="Competitors"] - Generally, other "legendary" third-party characters, such as (in debatable terms) Pac-Man, Simon Belmont, and Bomberman.[/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"] - One of the most immensely popular character requests in general, even as a third-party character - strong fan-base desire dates back to Brawl's development.
- Highly iconic video-game character and series, as well as one of the most well-known.
- Sonic and Snake opened the flood gates for future third-party requests.
- The idea of Mega Man fighting Mario and Sonic in an All-Star fighting game of video-game characters is too golden of an opportunity to pass up for Smash brothers.
- Quite marketable to the hardcore competitive fan-base of gamers.
- Easy-to-implement move-set, given the various power ups of the Mega Man series.[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]- Third-party requests should have been ignored in favor of first-party entities.
- If Sonic and Snake were in the game, then Mega Man would not simply because of an excess of third-party characters.
- Masahiro Sakurai would not go through all the trouble of contractual agreements with Capcom when he could work with co-developers Namco instead.
- Arguably, Capcom's substandard treatment of the character throughout the years.
- Mega Man's move-set would be either too similar to Samus, or be based entirely on projectiles (which may not translate well in-game).[/collapse]
Villager
[collapse="Competitors"]- Tom Nook
- Mr. Resetti
- Isabelle[/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"] - Appears in the considerably popular Animal Crossing series, which has been previously represented in Brawl with several trophies, stickers, an item, and even a stage with a musical selection.
- Move-set potential is boundless, with inspiration drawing from the Animal Crossing series, including Pitfalls, weeds, umbrellas, and Gyroids.[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]- Potentially the most damning case against the Villager at the time, Masahiro Sakurai once considered the character to be "too peaceful" for the brutal physicality of Smash Brothers.[/collapse]
Wii Fit Trainer
* Given the almost non-existent support for the Wii Fit Trainer, lack of any discussion pertaining to her, and the shock value of her unexpected announcement, there will be no Supportive or Detracting Arguments sections in order to avoid creeping determinism. If there is to be any in the future, it will be within a hindsight perspective.
[collapse="Competitors"]Not self-evident, except perhaps for general "WTF" characters.[/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive and Detracting Arguments"]None were used; no one brought her up.[/collapse]
Rosalina
[collapse="Competitors"] - Toad
- Bowser Jr.
- Paper Mario
- Waluigi[/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]
- The prodigious success of the Super Mario Galaxy games, both critically and commercially, in which Rosalina serves an important role (moreso the first than second, though).
- Becoming a fast rising superstar in the Mario series, including widespread venture into other sub-series, including playability in both Mario Kart Wii and 7, and Super Mario 3D World. She was also non-playability in Mario Party: Island Tour.
- In addition, her appearances in three consecutive home console platformers for the main Mario series were considered important.
- Debuting within the appropriate time period for Masahiro Sakurai to finalize his roster selection.
- Would possess highly unique traits as a character, especially in comparison to her competitors, such as using Lumas as projectiles or gravity-based physics.
- With the confirmations of Mario, Bowser, Luigi, and Peach in a short time-span, Rosalina could be revealed alongside them easily.
- Toad, who was generally seen as the highly prioritized Mario newcomer, was confirmed multiple times as Peach's Neutral Special (even in a group shot with the Super Mario 3D World cast as an attack), which severely diminished or even destroyed his chances of playabilty, while elevating Rosalina and the rest of the competition.
- Super Mario Galaxy confirmed as a stage.
- Despite several screenshots of Galaxy characters (such as Lubba) serving as background elements for the stage, Rosalina and the Comet Observatory was inconspicuously absent.
- Through the November 2013 release of Super Mario 3D World, it would give an opportunity for a reveal trailer in the Nintendo Direct for December.[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]
- Competitors, especially Toad, are more highly prioritized in terms of series importance.
- The Mario series did not need another Mario character, given either an "over-representation" of the series, the limitations for this roster, or even both.
- Move-set potential could only amount to either being a Peach clone.
- An alternate costume for Peach is a better idea.
- Peach is good enough.
- Using Lumas as attacks may seem uncharacteristic for Rosalina.
- She would be better off as an Assist Trophy, such as using a protective barrier against projectiles or shooting Lumas from the sky.
- Even with the "main" Toad's relegation to Peach's Neutral Special, there are several other Toads within the species, including the increasingly-important Blue Toad and Galaxy's own Captain Toad.
- Also, Toad could be recolored later on in development, to give way to another playable Toad.[/collapse]
Little Mac
[collapse="Competitors"] - New series newcomers, as a result of less roster space this time around. [/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]
- A highly-requested character for several years, even during Brawl's development (although support mainly generated in the West).
- Also iconic among the remaining Nintendo "All-Stars".
- The early reveal of the Punch-Out!! Stadium indicating Little Mac's presence; while it did not explicitly refer to Punch-Out!! directly, it seemed to contain several references to the series.
- Mainstream exposure as an Assist Trophy to a worldwide audience, as well as laying a groundwork for a general move-set.
- Punch-Out!! series receiving a revival through the Wii system, right after Brawl's release. It was met positively.
- Series representation of a popular and long-running franchise.
- The West becoming seemingly more prioritized.[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]
- The Villager's wearing Boxing Gloves in his Neutral Combo may render Little Mac redundant, in the same sense the Villager's Up Special would render Balloon Fighter redundant.
- Despite the Stadium stage, it may have not been related to Punch-Out!! at all. Even then, stages do not always correlate to characters. See: Hanenbow and PictoChat.
- Masahiro Sakurai stating in an interview fighting characters (such as those from the Tekken series) would not "really merge well".
- Apparently lacking an inspirational move-set as a result of being a boxer (can only attack with punches).
- Minimal support in Japan.[/collapse]
Greninja
[collapse="Competitors"] -Mewtwo, Jigglypuff, Zoroark, Genesect, PkMn Trainer, and Hawlucha[/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]
-Bipedial, extremely popular Pokemon for looks and battle.
-Could be unique with water moves rarely seen in movesets
-From the newest generation; a Pokemon from the latest generation is always a newcomer (Pikachu/Jigglypuff, Pichu, Lucario[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]
-Too new. [As an extension of this point: Any of the pros Greninja had regarding popularity were post-release only, and X and Y were out too late to affect Smash]
-Pokemon has too many characters as is.
-People thought Brawl's Pokemon selection + Mewtwo was the most likely outcome, leaving no space for Greninja.[/collapse]
Mii
[collapse="Competitors"] - New series newcomers, as a result of less roster space this time around. [/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]
- Also iconic among the remaining Nintendo "All-Stars".
- Are one of the biggest sellers in Nintendo history. (Wii Sports)[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]
- Find Mii stage showed prince Mii in the background, and the Global Smash Power confirmed.
- Online multiplayer will cause massive inappropriate chaos if Miis are confirmed.
- Apparently lacking an inspirational move-set as a result of being generic.[/collapse]
Palutena
[collapse="Competitors"] - Other veteran series getting a character. [/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]
- One of the most highly requested characters in Smash 4.
- The Palutena double picture leak.
- The Gematsu leak.
- Possibly Sakurai's bias.[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]
- Apparently lacking an inspirational move-set as a result of nothing noticable to take moves from KI:U
- Sakurai's bias causing him to not add Palutena[/collapse]
Pac-Man
[collapse="Competitors"] - Generally, other "legendary" third-party characters, such as (in debatable terms) Pac-Man, Simon Belmont, and Bomberman.[/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]
- Bandai Namco developing the game, making the rights to Pac-Man a possibility.
- Highly iconic video-game character and series, as well as one of the most well-known.
- Sonic and Snake opened the flood gates for future third-party requests.
- The idea of Pac-Man fighting Mario, Megaman, and Sonic in an All-Star fighting game of video-game characters is too golden of an opportunity to pass up for Smash brothers.
- The Gematsu 2013 leak.
- The mysterious Namco characters and items that have been posted in pictures recently.[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]- Third-party requests should have been ignored in favor of first-party entities.
- If Sonic and Snake were in the game, then Pac-Man would not simply because of an excess of third-party characters.
- Masahiro Sakurai would not go through all the trouble of contractual agreements with Capcom when he could work with co-developers Namco instead.
- Lacks inspirational moveset to take from.[/collapse]
Robin
[collapse="Competitors"] - Chrom, Lucina, and Roy[/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]
- Unique moveset; not a sword user.
- One of the main characters of the newest Fire Emblem installment.
- Robin's theme Id being played in Tiki's trophy scene.
- Being able to switch from male to female made the tactician more likely.
[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]
- Chrom was arguably more important in the game Fire Emblem Awakening than Robin.
- The Gematsu leak (when it was credible) and Chrom being in it.[/collapse]
Lucina
[collapse="Competitors"] - Chrom, Robin, and Roy.[/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]
- Is a female sword user.
- One of the main characters of the newest Fire Emblem installment.
- One of the most popular characters in Awakening.
[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]
- Chrom was arguably more important in the game Fire Emblem Awakening than Lucina.
- She's likely to be a clone.
- Was argued to be likely as an alt. costume.[/collapse]
Shulk
[collapse="Competitors"] - Isaac, any new series competitor, mainly RPG protagonists[/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]- Great potential with the Arts and the Monado.
- His game has been critically acclaimed as one of the best JRPG out there on the Wii.
- First-Party wholly owned by Nintendo.
- His game has been praised for the graphics, graphics, and music, pretty much every basic criticized area out there.
- The Gematsu leak and the Ninka_Kiwi leak, has leaked art and footage too.[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]- Was considered as an average swordsman.
- Was considered to be an Ike clone.
- Series was considered too new.[/collapse]
Duck Hunt Dog
[collapse="Competitors"] - Pretty much any retro character suggested for Smash Bros.[/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]- One of the most iconic retro Nintendo characters
- Original Moveset with the ducks and the NES Zapper.[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]- Was outshined by Takamaru and Lip in retro character popularity.
- Retros were considered less of a possibility thanks to Little Mac (Who everyone thought was the only retro)[/collapse]
Bowser Jr.
[collapse="Competitors"] - Toad, Paper Mario, Rosalina, Waluigi./collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]- Another popular Super Mario character just like Rosalina.
- Moveset potential with the paintbrush.
- One of the most iconic Mario villains.
- Important in every recent Mario game such as NSMB, NSMB2, NSMBU, etc.[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]- Was considered unlikely after Rosalina's reveal.
- At the same time, the paintbrush concept led to people not believing Jr. at being playable.[/collapse]
Dark Pit
[collapse="Competitors"]Viridi, Magnus, Medusa, Hades[/collapse]
[collapse="Supportive Arguments"]- Moveset potential with the Dark Pit Staff.
- The Dark Pit Tweet.
- Dark Pit's tease in Palutena's trailer.
- Clones being confirmed with Lucina.
- Easy to clone.
- Could be used to market KI:U[/collapse]
[collapse="Detracting Arguments"]- Stubbornly was considered to be an alt., even after the tease in Palutena's trailer.
- The Dark Pit tease was similar to Tom Nook's, not being playable.
- Alts. of characters were considered not possible. [/collapse]
Credits Include:
- The supportive moderators
- BluePikmin11
- Marakatu
- SmasherMaster
- andimidna
- SonicMario
- Glaciacott
- Pikablu Pikachu
- BluePikmin11
- Marakatu
- SmasherMaster
- andimidna
- SonicMario
- Glaciacott
- Pikablu Pikachu
...Currently Working in Progress...
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