Rayman Revolution

[IGuessItsOver]

You realize him being in Brawlhalla is marketing for Brawlhalla, right? To get more players... that's why they'd use a familiar face like Rayman to get people on board. It's all about getting the sale.

And with that, if Rayman is in Smash, it negates everything. There'd be no reason to have Rayman to advertise Brawlhalla to new players (customers) when those new players (customers) would just get Rayman in Smash instead. It's not good...

Shovel Knight is in Rivals of Aether and is also in Smash (as an A.T. but he's in), and he's just an indie character. Rayman, on the other hand, is a much more historical character from a big company. Being in "X" game has absolutely nothing to do with Smash.

 

[BirthNote]

OK, here's the Good:
-Nintendo and Ubisoft are on great terms.
-The 2 companies have collaborated in numerous games, and Ubisoft was very successful on the Wii.
-Mario and Luigi costumes in Rayman Legends; Rayman, Globox and Barbara trophies in SSB4.
-Mario X Rabbids bodes well for the Rabbids but indirectly bodes well for Rayman.
-Sukapon's an Assist Trophy. The only other limbless character to threaten him was deconfirmed quickly.
-The Smashified hoax warmed up a lot of people to him at just the right time.
-Other non-fighting game characters guest starred in fighting games, and they're in Smash: Sonic, Pac-Man, Link, Mega Man. Could be a similar case for Rayman.

The Bad:
-Rabbids overshadow him. Their game indirectly boosts his odds, but they directly boosted their own.
-Rayman's currently dormant.
-Brawlhalla calls into question his likelihood. We're currently not sure if this is a consolation or unrelated entirely.
-While other non-fighting game characters made guest appearances, the timing of Rayman's is very suspicious. Nearly a month before SSBU comes out; the other characters made guest appearances years before the SSB they debuted in.

 

[FunAtParties]

Shovel Knight is in Rivals of Aether and is also in Smash (as an A.T. but he's in), and he's just an indie character. Rayman, on the other hand, is a much more historical character from a big company. Being in "X" game has absolutely nothing to do with Smash.

Shovel Knight has a noticeable history of crossovers, and RoA isn't a Yacht Club owned property. Rayman doesn't frequently show up in other series, and Ubisoft owns Brawlhalla, and isn't putting in Rayman for no reason. It's two very different scenarios

 

[Llort A. Ton]

I mean, maybe the Brawlhala devs just wanted to add Rayman, and Ubisoft, knowing that it would be a beneficial crossover with no legal hoops and free advertisement for one of their other IPs, gave them the go ahead? I just don't see this as solid deconfirmation.

 

[BirthNote]

Why couldn't they have put Globox in Brawlhalla? He has moveset potential far different from Rayman and we won't have to worry about Rayman getting deconfirmed. Ubisoft would be generating exposure, and with Globox being prominent in the series, it wouldn't seem odd for the sidekick to show up in a different fighting game.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Shovel Knight has a noticeable history of crossovers, and RoA isn't a Yacht Club owned property. Rayman doesn't frequently show up in other series, and Ubisoft owns Brawlhalla, and isn't putting in Rayman for no reason. It's two very different scenarios

Are you implying that they added Rayman in Brawlhalla as a consolation prize for not making it into Smash?

 

[StormC]

I'm not optimistic but it ain't over until it's over, I guess.

I don't see why Ubisoft would do this if he was in Smash.

 

[ZoroCarlos]

Are you implying that they added Rayman in Brawlhalla as a consolation prize for not making it into Smash?

It would kind of make sense if that were the case, if you asked me. I want to be wrong though.

 

[BluePikmin11]

This news is very interesting.

Juliusaurus brought up several good points on what this means for Rayman and the game he is guest starring in.

I getting slightly pessimistic TBH, but I have always thought Western 3rd parties were not happening in general for the base game.

 

[FunAtParties]

Are you implying that they added Rayman in Brawlhalla as a consolation prize for not making it into Smash?

No, I'm implying they're using him to sell Brawlhalla, and they may or may not care about Smash at all.

 

[Llort A. Ton]

I really just see this as neat, nothing else. Sakurai isn't gonna know about Brawhala's development, and Sakurai isn't gonna implement some rule that if a 3rd party is in Smash, they magically can't appear in any other fighting game/cross over. And I really don't think Ubisoft is gonna go to Brawhala devs with the order of "Hey, put Rayman in your game for the specific reason that he won't be playable in Smash Bros Ultimate". Maybe I'm just in denial or whatever, but I don't see this as doom and gloom.

 

[AreJay25]

I mean, this is just a wait and see type of deal.

Obviously Ubisoft can do whatever the hell they want with their own game, but the fact that this was announced so close to Ultimate's release is rather strange, to say the least.

Not a hard disinformation by any means, but it's definitely going to be looming for a while.

 

[FunAtParties]

I really just see this as neat, nothing else. Sakurai isn't gonna know about Brawhala's development, and Sakurai isn't gonna implement some rule that if a 3rd party is in Smash, they magically can't appear in any other fighting game/cross over. And I really don't think Ubisoft is gonna go to Brawhala devs with the order of "Hey, put Rayman in your game for the specific reason that he won't be playable in Smash Bros Ultimate". Maybe I'm just in denial or whatever, but I don't see this as doom and gloom.

That's a nice attitude to have, but I don't see why Sakurai knowing about the Brawlhalla development matters at all. I think the point here is that Ubisoft is using Rayman to sell Brawlhalla, so it wouldn't make a ton of sense to also add him to competitor.

At least Rayman getting talked about again

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Well, after reading posts from verious POV, i feel like Rayman's out of the party again... another one goes to my list of deconfirmed most wanted newcomers :/

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Honestly, one of the worst parts about having one of your most wanted Smash characters (possibly) being deconfirmed is seeing people saying “thank goodness” about it and rubbing it in.

Like, gee thanks. :|

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Honestly, one of the worst parts about having one of your most wanted Smash characters (possibly) being deconfirmed is seeing people saying “thank goodness” about it and rubbing it in.

Like, gee thanks. :|

You tell me, i already lost Bomberman and Shovel Knight, and now Rayman's out too.
My only most wanted newcomers left are Shantae and Geno, i don't care about anyone else...

 

[FunAtParties]

I mean, it's not a straight deconfirmation. Let's remember here that it doesn't take any extra licensing for them to get Rayman in that game. They may just want a couple extra sales, who knows? Plus, they may have something planned and just want Rayman to be in the public eye again, and this is a quick way to do it.

It's not over 'til it's over, I don't like his chances any more now, but this isn't Sakurai coming out with a Rayman AT or nothing.

 

[ZoroCarlos]

I'm at that point where I'd rather not see Rayman in the base game at all so that he's safe and could be considered for DLC down the line when Brawlhalla loses some relevancy.

 

[Kabutops]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Brawlhalla doesn't seem like a serious competitor to Smash. None of the Smash clones do (PSASBR being the only possible exception but that series is dead in the water). Thus his inclusion seems inconsequential.

 

[FunAtParties]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Brawlhalla doesn't seem like a serious competitor to Smash. None of the Smash clones do. Thus his inclusion seems inconsequential.

No one can compete with Smash in the Platform Fighter genre, but it's not like they want their playerbase to be wiped off the face of the Earth when Smash comes out, so it makes sense for them to try and compete in some way.

 

[BirthNote]

Seriously, it's not over yet. I'd prepare his tombstone but I'm not digging the grave until we get the full roster.

 

[FunAtParties]

Seriously, it's not over yet. I'd prepare his tombstone but I'm not digging the grave until we get the full roster.

For sure, I'm actually interested in seeing how he turns out.

 

[SimonferSmash]

Not sure why folks seem to be jumping the gun a tad in acting like this news means an automatic deconfirmation.

 

[IGuessItsOver]

Not sure why folks seem to be jumping the gun a tad in acting like this news means an automatic deconfirmation.

If Rayman was in Ultimate, then Ubi wouldn't have added him in Brawlhalla cause of a non-compete clause with NIntendo

 

[FunAtParties]

Not sure why folks seem to be jumping the gun a tad in acting like this news means an automatic deconfirmation.

I mean, nothing is set in stone, but surely you can see how this is worrisome

 

[Llort A. Ton]

Besides, even if he does get deconfirmed? We just campaign him for DLC. If they do another Ballot, vote the hell out of him, and show Sakurai/Nintendo we want him. Weve been toyed with like 3 times during Smash 4, (Once with the trophy, twice when some dude from Nintendo of Canada claimed he was playable before release, and then the Omni leak), so even if he isn't in this one at least we have something this time around instead of nothing. Weve been through worse and we can make it.

 

[ZoroCarlos]

Would it have made a difference in our heads if they announced Rayman for Brawlhalla and released him right now instead of in November?

 

[GaroMaster]

Although I understand you guys being anxious about Rayman's appearance in Brawlhalla, you have to realize that this game is under Ubisoft (I think?).
Even if Rayman doesn't get in as a playable fighter, I can't imagine Sakurai not doing anything with Rayman. His popularity combined with his trophies gives him a good shot to being upgraded in some way.
It's not the end of the world. If anything, Ubisoft has shown an interest in using the character again. I wouldn't put all my cards on a playable Rayman in Smash, but I still think he's a possibility. Besides, our limbless hero has made an appearance again! That's great no matter how you look at it.

 

[AreJay25]

Would it have made a difference in our heads if they announced Rayman for Brawlhalla and released him right now instead of in November?

I mean... not really? It'd still be exceptionally close to Ultimate's release.

 

[FunAtParties]

Besides, even if he does get deconfirmed? We just campaign him for DLC. If they do another Ballot, vote the hell out of him, and show Sakurai/Nintendo we want him. Weve been toyed with like 3 times during Smash 4, (Once with the trophy, twice when some dude from Nintendo of Canada claimed he was playable before release, and then the Omni leak), so even if he isn't in this one at least we have something this time around instead of nothing. Weve been through worse and we can make it.

The Rayman campaigning up to this point has been disappointing to say the least. I was hoping that the Artsy Omni fake would've gotten enough attention to get him in based on that reaction alone, because I feel like Rayman's popularity has taken a nosedive since the ballot era. I hope this reaction brings out the fans like it has today and keeps them, because a lot of people disappeared from the support groups of Smash 4's era.

 

[JamesDNaux]

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Don't you give up on me dreamers.

 

[Nothgard]

this is just a consolation prize, damn it!

 

[Kabutops]

No one can compete with Smash in the Platform Fighter genre, but it's not like they want their playerbase to be wiped off the face of the Earth when Smash comes out, so it makes sense for them to try and compete in some way.

Agreed. Nintendo certainly doesn't stand to lose with Rayman getting in an inferior clone, but why would Ubisoft go through the trouble of incorporating him in Brawlhalla when it would be completely eclipsed by his Smash inclusion? That would seem like a strange move.

 

[AreJay25]

Tbh, when you think about it, it starts getting even weirder.

They could have included, like, Ezio or something. But they put Rayman in a Smash clone, when he's been a popular request for the real deal.

I dunno. This whole thing is just hard to wrap my head around.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Ubisoft very nearly made a statement about Omni's fake leak, likely to verify that Rayman wasn't in Smash.

After the outcry that's beginning over Brawlhalla now, they'd better damn well outright say he's not in Smash

And if they don't? I think you know.

 

[Nothgard]

Agreed. Nintendo certainly doesn't stand to lose with Rayman getting in an inferior clone, but why would Ubisoft go through the trouble of incorporating him in Brawlhalla when it would be completely eclipsed by his Smash inclusion? That would seem like a strange move.

Exactly thats why I say that Rayman will not be a playable character, it is obvious that it is a consolation prize, plus it comes out in November and smash in december.....

if rayman were invited in a game that not a fighting game, I would understand that ubisoft wants to give relevance, but put it in a clone of smash ?, that's a consolation prize. I hope it's a good assist trophy...

 

[Kabutops]

Ubisoft very nearly made a statement about Omni's fake leak, likely to verify that Rayman wasn't in Smash.

After the outcry that's beginning over Brawlhalla now, they'd better damn well outright say he's not in Smash

And if they don't? I think you know.

Even if they say nothing, I don't think it's a good idea to get our hopes up. I don't think it's a good idea to get our hopes up for ANY 3rd party character (except Geno).

 

[AreJay25]

Ubisoft had to say something about the Omni leak because that was their IP being involved in something that no one was actually able to verify.

Even if they're quiet, I feel like that wouldn't change much in this situation.

 

[SodiumChloride]

Hopefully this doesn't hurt his chances

 

[SchAlternate]

I checked Twitter today, saw the Brawlhalla announcement and sure enough, this thread went into freak out mode...

Come on now, folks. This is hardly a disconfirmation, let alone a dent in his chances. If it were, this would've happen after he already were disconfirmed, similar to how Shovel Knight's "fighting" game was announced after being revealed as an Assist, or had been accompanied by an official statement from Ubisoft about it.

Relax, you guys. This ain't over for you yet.