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Rayman: Hero of the Glade of Dreams - The Great Escape

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Hey guys, Rayman's not doing so hot in this poll. We need to go in there and throw in our votes!

You can pick more than one as well, so don't worry about having to decide.

While I'm at it, I was also thinking of ideas for custom moves.

Standard 1: Energy Shot- A projectile that can be fired off rapidly, or charged for a more powerful attack. Ricochets off walls twice before exploding on the third impact.
Standard 2: Vortex- Fires a tornado instead of energy shots, these can be charged but can't be fired as rapidly. Has more power, but less range, and can trip up opponents.
Standard 3: Heavy Metal Fist- Not a projectile, Rayman can toss out two of his fists quickly, or charge up for one powerful punch. Functionally similar to his forward smash, but Rayman can move while charging.

Side 1: Telescopic Fist- Rayman will toss out a long ranged command grab. On the ground, Rayman will grapple enemies back towards him, allowing him to use any of his throws or pummel. In the air, Rayman will toss enemies downwards, but the grab has shorter range. Rayman can angle the initial toss of his fist.
Side 2: Lockjaw- Rayman tosses out a Lockjaw that will latch onto an enemy and cause continuous electrical damage until they shake it off. Pressing special again will reel enemies back in, and Rayman will send them off with a kick. The initial launch of the Lockjaw can be angled slightly.
Side 3: Shock Rocket- Rather than grabbing, Rayman will fire the Shock Rocket, which will always do the same amount of damage. Rayman will stand in place during this move, like Snake's Nikita, however it can only be angled up or down, and can't be turned around, though the angles are sharp and can change continuously. If the rocket doesn't meet a target, it will sputter out and fall after a set distance, with a weaker explosion.

Up 1: Helicopter- Rayman spins his iconic mop of hair to gain upwards momentum. Rayman has high control and can keep hovering downward with the move, similar to Peach's parasol. He won't be left helpless after using the move, and can even fire projectiles while hovering. His hair has a minor damaging hitbox.
Up 2: Throttle Copter- Rayman dons the helmet from Rayman 3 for a quick burst, this gives him the highest vertical distance and damage, but after hovering for a short while, Rayman will become helpless.
Up 3: Flying Ring- A Purple Lum appears and Rayman swings from it for horizontal distance. Rayman can use his helicopter hair out of it to slow his descent, but he won't gain any height. Does no damage.

Down 1: Plum Drop- Rayman spawns a plum that will bounce around the stage. Functionally similar to Pac-Man's Hydrant, though you can ride the plum until it disappears. This can be used to aid recovery, as Rayman can spawn it in the air and then jump off of it, but only one can be out at a time. On the ground, Rayman will toss it forward, in the air, he'll drop it below him.
Down 2: Spiked Fruit- Rayman will toss out a spiked fruit with similar properties to the plum, but the spikes cause more damage. Be careful though, because Rayman can be hurt by touching it too! It won't stay out for as long as the plum, and any attack will break it right away.
Down 3: Explosive Keg- Rather than tossing it at first, Rayman will spawn one and carry it around until you decide to throw it. It will explode on contact, and it can hurt Rayman if it blows up too close. While carrying it, Rayman won't flinch to weaker attacks, but the keg itself will take damage until it explodes. When spawned in the air, Rayman will just toss it below himself rather than hold onto it. Fire attacks will cause it to instantly ignite and rocket up into the air, Rayman included, be sure to let go before it explodes!
 
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I support this! Was the interview before or after Rayman got a trophy? If after, I see his chances rising.
 

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The Rayman 4 Smash group on DeviantArt discovered the thread and seem to be interested in teaming up, what do you guys think?
 

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I'd like to voice my support for Rayman now! I didn't have much hope before the initial release, but now, with DLC, he has a good of a shot as anyone.
 

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I'm curious, what would the assist trophy for Rayman be? I'm not super familiar with the series, I only played the original on PlayStation. (and a demo of one of the newer ones but that doesn't really count)

The Mosquito?
A rabbid?
That blue frog guy?, he's like a co-op character. His name escapes me....

Someone else entirely?
 
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I'm curious, what would the assist trophy for Rayman be? I'm not super familiar with the series, I only played the original on PlayStation. (and a demo of one of the newer ones but that doesn't really count)

The Mosquito?
A rabbid?
That blue guy?, he's like a co-op character. His name escapes me....

Someone else entirely?
Globox, he first appeared in Rayman 2.
As for an assist trophy, I think it should be Murfy, he picks up opponents and gives you chance to hit them. Think of it like the Galaga item, expect it doesn't take the opponent off the screen.
 
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Either that or maybe something even more classic.. how about the rockmen throwing builders? How about a huge flock of rabbids running around? There are a lot of possibilities for Rayman assist trophies because there are so many weird and surreal Rayman characters!
 

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Again, not to be rude, but teaming up with the Rayman 4 Smash group, you guys think that's a good idea?
 

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Guys and gals, I'm really sorry, but I have to say this.

I LOVE Rayman. He's awesome and he deserves to be in Smash without a doubt, but I'm not too sure if Ubisoft deserves to have a character in the game. They seem very flaky towards Nintendo--the unprofessional delay of Rayman Legends, the late Wii U Watch Dogs release, the lack of DLC for any Wii U version of their games and quite a bit more issues make it seem like Ubisoft has a condescending stance toward Nintendo. They've held out longer than most other 3rd Parties, and they need to follow the money, but they seem to be treating Nintendo like the little league company. Rayman should be in smash and I still support him, but his owners--not his creators--really complicate the matter.
 
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I'm curious, what would the assist trophy for Rayman be? I'm not super familiar with the series, I only played the original on PlayStation. (and a demo of one of the newer ones but that doesn't really count)

The Mosquito?
A rabbid?
That blue frog guy?, he's like a co-op character. His name escapes me....

Someone else entirely?
Ah, you must refer to Moskito, Globox, and a Rabbid.

But, I personally think that an AT should be a Robo-Pirate, assuming it's also a Smash Run enemy on the 3DS version (similar mechanics to Starman).

Though, utilizing Murphy as the AT version of Boss Galaga isn't a bad idea.

Also, if Rayman is a playable fighter, what palettes would you like? Just straight-up color changes (including a Dark Rayman/Raymesis version), or them including an outfit from Legends?
 

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Ah, you must refer to Moskito, Globox, and a Rabbid.

But, I personally think that an AT should be a Robo-Pirate, assuming it's also a Smash Run enemy on the 3DS version (similar mechanics to Starman).

Though, utilizing Murphy as the AT version of Boss Galaga isn't a bad idea.

Also, if Rayman is a playable fighter, what palettes would you like? Just straight-up color changes (including a Dark Rayman/Raymesis version), or them including an outfit from Legends?
It could use a mix of both palette changes and different outfits. What stages should he get? Knowing Ubisoft, there's likely to be a wealth of Rayman 2 stuff in the DLC.
 

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I had a new idea for a final smash.
You have to be close enough to an opponent to work, if you hit at least one, the others will be attacked as well.
Rayman summons Globox, Grand Minimus, Goth Teensie, and Polokus, and this happens.
Also, got a response from the leader of the DeviantArt group, he wanted me to tell you about an art contest they're having if anyone is interested.
http://superabachibros.deviantart.com/art/Rayman-4-Smash-Contest-454795463
 

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If the Commander Video trophy says anything, the Rayman trophy seems to be less of a hint to him being playable now. Seems like many third-parties are wanting to make Smash trophies now.
 
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If the Commander Video trophy says anything, the Rayman trophy seems to be less of a hint to him being playable now. Seems like many third-parties are wanting to make Smash trophies now.
Yeah, it's definitely knocked my confidence in Rayman quite a bit.

Having said that. Rayman still has a trophy...it's better than no trophy.

Kinda surprised we got Commander Video as the indie representative though. I guess Shovel Knight was too recent?
 

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All I really care about for the Rayman trophy is that it shows that they have the rights to the character. Rayman's got several other things going in his favor other then that.
 

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If the Commander Video trophy says anything, the Rayman trophy seems to be less of a hint to him being playable now. Seems like many third-parties are wanting to make Smash trophies now.
Yeah, that did put a bit of a damper on my mood. Still, I want to fight for Rayman's inclusion.
 
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The thing to note is that Nintendo apparently made the effort to ask for this character to appear specifically as a trophy, to show their support for indie developers. I doubt Nintendo went to Ubisoft and asked to use a major character as a mere cameo.

It's probable that Ubisoft attempted to get Rayman in the game as a playable character.
I've gone over this quite a few times already, so I'd like to point to our good friend Snake.

You can't really compare indie games to the big guns in the first place.
 

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The thing to note is that Nintendo apparently made the effort to ask for this character to appear specifically as a trophy, to show their support for indie developers. I doubt Nintendo went to Ubisoft and asked to use a major character as a mere cameo.

It's probable that Ubisoft attempted to get Rayman in the game as a playable character.
I've gone over this quite a few times already, so I'd like to point to our good friend Snake.

You can't really compare indie games to the big guns in the first place.
You bring up a good point. Rayman's chances probably won't go down until we see other third party big guns as trophies. Thanks for the rise in optimism.
Also, what do you about us teaming up with the Rayman 4 Smash group?
 

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You bring up a good point. Rayman's chances probably won't go down until we see other third party big guns as trophies. Thanks for the rise in optimism.
Also, what do you about us teaming up with the Rayman 4 Smash group?
DeviantArt is a terrible place.

It wouldn't help much anyway, I doubt anyone from Nintendo is going to be browsing it.

Our best option would probably be Twitter, like the K. Rool and Snake campaigns are doing.
 

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Were going to see more 3rd party big guns, I can feel it.
But we probably won't see more 3rd party trophies until release.
Hi Sakurai, nice to meet you.

I wouldn't put any bets on it.

Besides, Mewtwo had a trophy and now he's on the way, this is a support thread, not a detracting thread.
Rayman has plenty of merits to make the jump to playable character, I still have good faith.
 

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It does nothing to his chances. I'd like to again point out that we're comparing the mascot of a huge gaming company getting a trophy, to some random indie character getting a trophy, for entirely different reasons at that.

In regards to the idea of other big third parties appearing as trophies, I have the opposite feeling.
 

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It does nothing to his chances. I'd like to again point out that we're comparing the mascot of a huge gaming company getting a trophy, to some random indie character getting a trophy, for entirely different reasons at that.

In regards to the idea of other big third parties appearing as trophies, I have the opposite feeling.
0.o I can only see Happy Mask Salesman talking now...
 

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DeviantArt is a terrible place.

It wouldn't help much anyway, I doubt anyone from Nintendo is going to be browsing it.

Our best option would probably be Twitter, like the K. Rool and Snake campaigns are doing.
The people there are very nice, and their group is pretty much like ours in terms of how they spread their message (twitter, e-mails, etc.), they just use DA as a hub of sorts.
 

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The people there are very nice, and their group is pretty much like ours in terms of how they spread their message (twitter, e-mails, etc.), they just use DA as a hub of sorts.
Well, any help at all is good. It seems that I was contacted by one of them via PM, so I'll try to work out any negotiations to the best of my ability. I applied to join their group as well, close bonds and such. Perhaps we could get more numbers in the poll.
 

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This group is dedicated to spreading the word and crossing our fingers for Rayman to be a DLC character. On Deviant art type in Rayman-4-Smash to see the site.
Perhaps the people on this site could help spread the word for Rayman to be a DLC character. Thank you for reading what I had to say.
 
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I remember playing rayman rabbids, but I actually forget since I haven't played it in a while, does rayman even talk?
Yeah, I remember him talking in Rayman 2: The Great Escape.
In the PSOne version of that game, he has a lot of lines, and in the Dreamcast/3DS version, there is actual talking in the opening, but by and large in that version & the N64 version, it's gibberish.

Rayman 3 has everybody talking in full, particularly because they hyped John Legumizano as the voice of Globox.

The Rabbids games where Rayman is involved along with Origins/Legends has him in gibberish because they've stated that they find that to be more funny than actual dialogue, including with most of the songs (though "Luchador!" is an exception).
 
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Good god, that voice is so unsuiting.
That's the Billy West voice. Yeah, he's got a few okay-to-good roles (Red M&M & Phillip J. Fry, plus Professor Farnsworth), but Rayman isn't a good fit.
 
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Right now, I'm very interseted to see how the DLC situation goes down. Effectively, if the Smash Bros devs are given a big budget to work with, I'd say it's feesible we get entirely new characters. They could also be given a smaller budget, to just work on Mewtwo and not much else character-wise (DLC might be free but workhours aren't), possible some easier Brawl-ported clones. I'd presume putting Rayman in as a character would be costlier then other Nintendo characters, due to licenses ETC.

I can think of some Nintendo characters, but out of all the third-party characters that would have a shot, Rayman's deffo up there with the best. He also has a large array of possible moves, so moveset-wise it'd seem that he'd be easy to compile the entire list of moves.

I'd presume he'd thematically take a lot from Origins / Legends, and the original Rayman. Possibly 2, and though it pains me personally, probably not 3.
 
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