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metroid1117

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I've been looking for a low-tier character to pick up, and G&W seems to be the one that works best for me. My friend and I had some G&W vs. Marth matches, and I was wondering if you could tell me what we could work on (mainly me though :laugh:). These matches are from 13 recorded matches that we had; the rest are Marth dittos and one Roy (me) vs. Marth.

Match 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfyGkxxFRYI

Match 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2avqOq1Pks

Match 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgMKkVMpn60

Match 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnMcF97RoBY
 

A2ZOMG

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First video, your friend needs to work on ledgeguarding you and mixing up some of his game with Counter, and you should use some more tilts, especially the D-tilt. Marth is lightweight, if not to the extreme extent as of G&W, so the D-tilt can sometimes get some really nice vertikills on Marth. There are times where I thought the D-tilt would work better than a grab. When you do grab, I don't recommend throwing backwards though, since Mr. G&W's back aerial isn't usually a very ideal attack because of low knockback and inability to L-cancel. Other things I would do after throwing is the N-air and judgement. You're both fairly good though, so keep up the good work!

Second match was considerably more interesting IMO. Not much I really can say here. Nice B-air to N-air combo! Your friend has other options besides D-tilt spamming to ledgeguard though. And wall teching might help a bit in such situations. Oh yeah, and your friend could still stand to mix things up with Counter. =P

Dunno yet about the third and fourth videos. Maybe I'll get to them. Maybe later.
 

metroid1117

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First video, your friend needs to work on ledgeguarding you and mixing up some of his game with Counter, and you should use some more tilts, especially the D-tilt. Marth is lightweight, if not to the extreme extent as of G&W, so the D-tilt can sometimes get some really nice vertikills on Marth. There are times where I thought the D-tilt would work better than a grab. When you do grab, I don't recommend throwing backwards though, since Mr. G&W's back aerial isn't usually a very ideal attack because of low knockback and inability to L-cancel. Other things I would do after throwing is the N-air and judgement. You're both fairly good though, so keep up the good work!

Second match was considerably more interesting IMO. Not much I really can say here. Nice B-air to N-air combo! Your friend has other options besides D-tilt spamming to ledgeguard though. And wall teching might help a bit in such situations. Oh yeah, and your friend could still stand to mix things up with Counter. =P

Dunno yet about the third and fourth videos. Maybe I'll get to them. Maybe later.
Thanks for the criticism; I really appreciate it.

And for some reason, I have an easier time edgeteching Marth's FSmash than his DTilt :confused:. Maybe it's because FSmash has more hitlag behind it?
 

A2ZOMG

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It's mainly a wild guess, but from my poor observational skills, it seems like most Smash attacks have more hitlag than most tilts. *shrug*

Oh, another thing I might add. I just get a feeling that you generally prefer jumping into the fray and initiating the offensive a lot. This is why I emphasized on your friend mixing in some Counter into his gameplay, because in the fourth video, he really got in a good combo on you the one time he properly countered against you. I didn't notice you shieldgrabbing that much either (although I'm also guessing it's not necessarily easy against Marth). I'm just cautioning that I think your play style might be a tad too offensive. Your friend uses grabs and aerial game fairly well, and I think what he could do a bit better according to these videos is anticipating your approaches. I think if he happened to anticipate your approaches slightly better, you'd have a significantly harder time winning. I personally felt like I saw ahead of time when many of your approaches were going to happen.

Again, keep up the good work.
 
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