Rate Their Chances Returns! Day 194: "Predicting the Direct"

[Deleted member]

I just wanna say thank you Groose for having another Most Overrated and Underrated day! I have a lot on my mind and I was growing impatient for E3 to arrive.
Most Overrated and Most Underrated have been added to the Directory.
Now... I have given this a lot of thought... I will share all of my thoughts right now.

Most Overrated
First... let me evaluate our Top 10.
-Palutena... I can't say is overrated majorly. I say she should be in the 70s, but I would give her a 60% chance now. The fact that this leak has withstood this long is impressive! As such, I don't think she is overrated.
-Ridley is terribly overrated. He almost has a 1/4 chance of not being playable? Those scores are definitely inflated and that quote from the Pic of the Day that was conveniently posted on his day raised his chances. Honestly, he should be at 50% overall.
-The Kong characters aren't overrated, but I feel like King K. Rool should be where Dixie Kong is at.
-Shulk is a tad bit overrated. While I gave him a 78% chance (and I still agree to this), 65%... I dunno, it feels a bit high. He should definitely be above 50%. He has a lot going for him, but honestly his original 50%+ score was good; I dunno why people started to renominate him so shortly (I contributed to that later on, but only just to get him out of the way).
-Miis are overrated. Why do they have above 60%? Are they that expected? I'm sorry, but I don't agree to this.
-Pac-Man isn't overrated. I'm honestly expecting him at this point. His scores are fine.
-Takamaru... I guess he is a bit overrated. I say that he might be worth reevaluating due to the Captain Rainbow reference. I would raise his scores.
-Poor Chrom. I agree that his original near 70% was overrated, but hatred for the character on here has dramatically dropped his scores. So, I find him to be underrated. I don't want Chrom in Smash too, but I am honestly expecting him at this point and you know how much of a contender he is.
-Bandana Dee is easily overrated and I am sorry that I contributed to those scores. I agree that people underestimate him and he is a legitimate contender, but his real scores lie in the 20%-30% range. While I say that, he is not worth re-rating due to the madness that he causes on here.
Who else is overrated?
-Two veterans are overrated in my eyes. Snake is overrated and his scores are absurdly high due to hype from some people. Roy is also overrated; he should really be in the 20% range; he's the 2nd post likely Melee cut veteran to return, but I can't see him get in before someone from Awakening.
-Robin is overrated in my eyes and that shines when his scores went higher yet Chrom's was lowered. I see bias for Robin and hatred for Chrom caused this.
-I say that solo Tetra is overrated; the scores she received on her day absolutely surprised me.
-I think that Daitoryo is overrated since his case isn't really that compelling to give him an above 10% chance.
-Some characters who aren't above 10% are overrated. Characters like the Alph, Brittany, and Charlie Trio, Plasm Wraith, and Nintendog have some scores that were raised due to some bias. Characters like Reggie are overrated due to trolling (I saw a 20% and a 40%, you can't be serious). In some sad cases, some characters are overrated due to a mixture of both (Dragon Ball Goku is an example of this, however Sandbag is the worst offender here as you can't tell me with a straight face that he has a 30% and 50% chance).

Enough ranting aside... who do I find to be the most overrated?
RIDLEY! His scores are inflated due to some bias involved. I know you guys really love him and want him in Smash, but having almost a quarter of a chance of not being playable is not right. The runner up is Mii.

Most Underrated
First off, Bandana Dee is NOT underrated.
There are some characters that I find to be underrated.
-I say Tom Nook is slightly underrated; I can see him have a 20% chance.
-Black Shadow is underrated. The chance of an F-Zero newcomer is low, but Black Shadow has a rather good case. I say that he should be around 17%-20%.
-I agree with Groose and some others that Ghirahim is underrated. He should be around 15% and he has a lot going for him with his Japanese popularity and uniqueness. I say that he is a good contender.
-As I've mentioned before, Chrom is underrated. Hatred for this character lowered his scores, yet love for Robin raised his. He's not the most underrated, but he is still underrated.
-Sukapon is definitely underrated. He should be at 10%. Call me crazy, but I can see him get in Smash since he can easily be given a moveset. I feel sad for the poor guy not getting some love in the Smash universe.
EDIT: -I also find Andy a bit underrated. I can see him get in as our Wars rep. I say that he deserves a respectable 15%.

Overall... while I listed a lot of characters... I dunno who is the most underrated. I can't say that I can choose one.
Now wait just a second.
Huh? What was that? It was probably nothing.
Now wait just a second.
Wait! What? WHOA! HEEEELP!

You are rating who are the most underrated characters? You know that the most underrated character is me, the true villain of Kid Icarus. Next to me, big bad Medusa is just a cute, cuddly bunny.
In all honesty Hades, I agree with you.
Whatever, you can keep going on why I am underrated. But for now, I must bid you adieu. I am off to decimate a country or two.
Alright, you have fun Hades!

Call me crazy, but I say that Hades is underrated. I think that he should be at around 17%-20%. I don't think that we will get another Kid Icarus character after Palutena. However, if we do get one, I am extremely confident that character will be Hades. He is the real villain of Kid Icarus and he has been pulling the strings since the beginning! I say that he deserves some higher scores.

So, my Most Underrated character is HADES! You don't know the true form of Hades's attack! The runner up is Sukapon.

Sorry for the long post, but I had to get my thoughts down.

 

[colder_than_ice]

Tiki has been added to the popularity chart and is ranked 36th. Zoroark was only overtaken by Paper Mario, falling from 48th to 49th.

Most overrated: Duck Hunt Dog
He's a comic relief background character who has 50 haters for every 1 fan. Sakurai would never consider him.

Most underrated: I'm going to go with Chrom + Lucina team.

 

[andimidna]

For most overrated, I'd have to go with Palutena. People keep using that leak like it's 100% legitimate, when we don't know that yet. There's also the fact that it wasn't even stated to playable or AT, so even if it's real it wouldn't be automatically playable.
Not sure on underrated. What did we give Kamek?

I don't think the leak is even in the top 5 reasons that Palutena is considered the most likely newcomer by myself and many others.
I can quote myself from the Palutena thread if you want.

But last time I disagreed with someone's rate I was looked down on...
err... why...

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Well I'm having difficulty deciding if K Rool or Waddle Dee is the most overrated. But I have a feeling that Waddle Dee will win this one.

Underrated... I'm starting to consider other characters now...
so no final answer yet from me :/

 

[Groose]

Underrated/Overrated on RTC? Or in general?

I just realized Tiki and Midna have basically the same scores!

I'm not sure if I should be happy or sad about this...

If we're discussing RTC rates, I'd say I'll have to choose between Waddle Dee and King K Rool.

And for underrated, I'll be choosing from Captain Syrup, Chrom & Lucina, Bayonetta, and Ghirahim.

RTC chance scores. They're in the first post under the "Results" tab.

My current FE roster is Marth, Ike, Chrom & Lucina, Tiki
She could get in over Robin and Anna. But she might not. But I respectfully disagree there's only a 1% or 0% chance that she could get in over them. I think they're closer to equal than people think. Not quite equal. But closer than 40%, 20%, 1%.

...and this is the crux of our whole disagreement. You expect two Fire Emblem series newcomers. I think that getting just ONE Fire Emblem character is pretty likely, but certainly not a lock; I see very little chance of there being two. In your scenario, Tiki has to compete with Robin, Roy, and Anna to get a spot--pretty strong competition, but a battle she stands a chance in. In my scenario, she doesn't really have to concern herself with the likes of Anna--she's competing for a slot that may not even exist against Chrom and Lucina, the darlings of the Fire Emblem franchise. THAT's why I don't think she has a chance.

I could bring up why I feel like there will only be one new FE character at most, but I abhor Fire Emblem topics, and I don't want to start one here if I can avoid it.

I don't understand having absolutely no want either... aren't you interested in movesets and potential playstyle?

You don't have to call her want "artificially inflated"... and I'm slightly offended you'd say that after explaining you barely knew who she was.

I can't help but feel like my essay that took over an hour to make.... justified my 30,100 better than yours did for a 1,0

This is where I'm somewhat vexed with your response. I explained pretty clearly in my post that I'm not a huge fan of characters that take up a very high amount of developer work, like Tiki would in order to have a transformation gimmick. So while I am moderately interested in what she would bring from a playstyle standpoint, I am also hesitant because it would require a great deal of development time to pull off. Also, I had more knowledge than barely knowing who she was. I did over half an hour of research in which I watched some Awakening footage, skimmed through the Fire Emblem wiki, and tracked through poll data for popular characters. Also, while I respect you for doing your own preparation and providing such a thorough statement of your points, you really can't deny that I did the same. My response took over a half hour to type, as well, but you kind of ignore that.

I apologize if I offended you, but that was not my goal. I was just asking you, player-to-player, to stop trying to tell other people how they should make their ratings. If people disagree with you and won't listen to your reasoning, you just kind of have to take it in stride instead of harping on them. It looked to me like players who normally would have just given low ratings decided to abstain because of what you had said, but I may have been premature in my judgement. What had miffed me was that you had made that post about how everyone should really have want scores higher than 50%--the reasoning you gave is against the very suggested criteria I have in the OP and against my longstanding tolerance for people giving whatever want scores they want for whatever they want.

I'd prefer to just table this and move on to the next day. I apologize for any offense I may have given you, but I still keep my request that you let things fly a bit more when people have different opinions in the future.

I guess we have very different want requirements... (female+unique= I want, pretty much)

This is an interesting discussion. I don't want to go into it in too much depth right here and now, but this is a subject that I have always found fascinating--what makes us want characters? I see that being a female is a good thing in your eyes, but I actually couldn't care less about that. I don't know--I've never cared about the gender of most characters. I'm more into things like personality and design than gender. For example, I like villains because their personality stands out from the rest of the cast.

Being unique is good, yes. I'm not a huge fan of clones or "boring" characters like Toon Link or Lucas. Even so, I'm a bit more lenient about what I consider to be unique--a character doesn't need a gimmick, they just need to have a completely different feel than other characters. It's really hard to define for me.

For most overrated, I'd have to go with Palutena. People keep using that leak like it's 100% legitimate, when we don't know that yet. There's also the fact that it wasn't even stated to playable or AT, so even if it's real it wouldn't be automatically playable.
Not sure on underrated. What did we give Kamek?

I'd look it up for you, but I'm about to fall asleep at my computer--I need to go, now. Please just look around in the result tab of the OP.

Most overrated is really a toss-up between K. Rool, Palutena, and Shulk for me. I guess I'll be picking K. Rool.

Picking on King K. Rool, my most wanted newcomer? You have guts, son. ...I agree. He's massively overrated in my opinion, and I'm glad someone went out of their way to call him out on it. He's a strong contender for my most overrated as well, but I need to run through the list one more time before I jump to a conclusion.

 

[Smasher 101]

A lot of the highly ranked characters deserve their high rankings, in my opinion, but there are two exceptions: Robin and Bandana Dee. I think Bandana Dee is the more overrated of the two, but I don't think either should be higher than the mid-twenties.

Most underrated was much more difficult because I don't actually think there are that many characters that are that underrated. Going through the list, Andy, Tingle, and Chrom + Lucina all strike me as slightly underrated. Out of the three, I'm giving my vote to Andy.

 

[andimidna]

I just wanna say thank you Groose for having another Most Overrated and Underrated day! I have a lot on my mind and I was growing impatient for E3 to arrive.
Most Overrated and Most Underrated have been added to the Directory.
Now... I have given this a lot of thought... I will share all of my thoughts right now.

Most Overrated
First... let me evaluate our Top 10.
-Palutena... I can't say is overrated majorly. I say she should be in the 70s, but I would give her a 60% chance now. The fact that this leak has withstood this long is impressive! As such, I don't think she is overrated.
-Ridley is terribly overrated. He almost has a 1/4 chance of not being playable? Those scores are definitely inflated and that quote from the Pic of the Day that was conveniently posted on his day raised his chances. Honestly, he should be at 50% overall.
-The Kong characters aren't overrated, but I feel like King K. Rool should be where Dixie Kong is at.
-Shulk is a tad bit overrated. While I gave him a 78% chance (and I still agree to this), 65%... I dunno, it feels a bit high. He should definitely be above 50%. He has a lot going for him, but honestly his original 50%+ score was good; I dunno why people started to renominate him so shortly (I contributed to that later on, but only just to get him out of the way).
-Miis are overrated. Why do they have above 60%? Are they that expected? I'm sorry, but I don't agree to this.
-Pac-Man isn't overrated. I'm honestly expecting him at this point. His scores are fine.
-Takamaru... I guess he is a bit overrated. I say that he might be worth reevaluating due to the Captain Rainbow reference. I would raise his scores.
-Poor Chrom. I agree that his original near 70% was overrated, but hatred for the character on here has dramatically dropped his scores. So, I find him to be underrated. I don't want Chrom in Smash too, but I am honestly expecting him at this point and you know how much of a contender he is.
-Bandana Dee is easily overrated and I am sorry that I contributed to those scores. I agree that people underestimate him and he is a legitimate contender, but his real scores lie in the 20%-30% range. While I say that, he is not worth re-rating due to the madness that he causes on here.
Who else is overrated?
-Two veterans are overrated in my eyes. Snake is overrated and his scores are absurdly high due to hype from some people. Roy is also overrated; he should really be in the 20% range; he's the 2nd post likely Melee cut veteran to return, but I can't see him get in before someone from Awakening.
-Robin is overrated in my eyes and that shines when his scores went higher yet Chrom's was lowered. I see bias for Robin and hatred for Chrom caused this.
-I say that solo Tetra is overrated; the scores she received on her day absolutely surprised me.
-I think that Daitoryo is overrated since his case isn't really that compelling to give him an above 10% chance.
-Some characters who aren't above 10% are overrated. Characters like the Alph, Brittany, and Charlie Trio and Nintendog have some scores that were raised due to some bias. Characters like Reggie are overrated due to trolling (I saw a 20% and a 40%, you can't be serious). In some sad cases, some characters are overrated due to a mixture of both (Dragon Ball Goku is an example of this, however Sandbag is the worst offender here as you can't tell me with a straight face that he has a 30% and 50% chance).

Enough ranting aside... who do I find to be the most overrated?
RIDLEY! His scores are inflated due to some bias involved. I know you guys really love him and want him in Smash, but having almost a quarter of a chance of not being playable is not right. The runner up is Mii.

Most Underrated
First off, Bandana Dee is NOT underrated.
There are some characters that I find to be underrated.
-I say Tom Nook is slightly underrated; I can see him have a 20% chance.
-Black Shadow is underrated. The chance of an F-Zero newcomer is low, but Black Shadow has a rather good case. I say that he should be around 17%-20%.
-I agree with Groose and some others that Ghirahim is underrated. He should be around 15% and he has a lot going for him with his Japanese popularity and uniqueness. I say that he is a good contender.
-As I've mentioned before, Chrom is underrated. Hatred for this character lowered his scores, yet love for Robin raised his. He's not the most underrated, but he is still underrated.
-Sukapon is definitely underrated. He should be at 10%. Call me crazy, but I can see him get in Smash since he can easily be given a moveset. I feel sad for the poor guy not getting some love in the Smash universe.

Overall... while I listed a lot of characters... I dunno who is the most underrated. I can't say that I can choose one.
Now wait just a second.
Huh? What was that? It was probably nothing.
Now wait just a second.
Wait! What? WHOA! HEEEELP!

You are rating who are the most underrated characters? You know that the most underrated character is me, the true villain of Kid Icarus. Next to me, big bad Medusa is just a cute, cuddly bunny.
In all honesty Hades, I agree with you.
Whatever, you can keep going on why I am underrated. But for now, I must bid you adieu. I am off to decimate a country or two.
Alright, you have fun Hades!

Call me crazy, but I say that Hades is underrated. I think that he should be at around 17%-20%. I don't think that we will get another Kid Icarus character after Palutena. However, if we do get one, I am extremely confident that character will be Hades. He is the real villain of Kid Icarus and he has been pulling the strings since the beginning! I say that he deserves some higher scores.

So, my Most Underrated character is HADES! You don't know the true form of Hades's attack! The runner up is Sukapon.

Sorry for the long post, but I had to get my thoughts down.

What % did Hades receive recently?

 

[Starbound]

Overrated: Bandanna Dee
38% for a 4th Kirby character is really hard to swallow. Honorable mention goes to Shulk.

Underrated: Cranky Kong
For a very notable character in his franchise, he's criminally under supported when I can easily see him getting in before Dixie and K. Rool.

 

[Deleted member]

What % did Hades receive recently?

10.30% chance.
I say his scores should be a bit higher. In the race for a 3rd Kid Icarus character, I say that Hades is in the lead.

 

[Smasher 101]

@ Depressed Gengar Kamek's current score is 11.34%

 

[Deleted member]

Most overrated: Bandanna Dee

I honestly don't think he should have a higher rating than 25%

Most underrated: Cranky Kong

ThatWasPeachy took the words out of my mouth & summed it up best.

edit:

Runner up: Chrom - I think its pretty obvious by now people here seem to have a bias against him joining because "blue haier iz dumb" & "won't be unique.".

 

[andimidna]

RTC chance scores. They're in the first post under the "Results" tab.


...and this is the crux of our whole disagreement. You expect two Fire Emblem series newcomers. I think that getting just ONE Fire Emblem character is pretty likely, but certainly not a lock; I see very little chance of there being two. In your scenario, Tiki has to compete with Robin, Roy, and Anna to get a spot--pretty strong competition, but a battle she stands a chance in. In my scenario, she doesn't really have to concern herself with the likes of Anna--she's competing for a slot that may not even exist against Chrom and Lucina, the darlings of the Fire Emblem franchise. THAT's why I don't think she has a chance.

I could bring up why I feel like there will only be one new FE character at most, but I abhor Fire Emblem topics, and I don't want to start one here if I can avoid it.

Oh, I guess that makes more sense now.

I actually am pretty confident in 4, but that's for a different day.

This is where I'm somewhat vexed with your response. I explained pretty clearly in my post that I'm not a huge fan of characters that take up a very high amount of developer work, like Tiki would in order to have a transformation gimmick. So while I am moderately interested in what she would bring from a playstyle standpoint, I am also hesitant because it would require a great deal of development time to pull off. Also, I had more knowledge than barely knowing who she was. I did over half an hour of research in which I watched some Awakening footage, skimmed through the Fire Emblem wiki, and tracked through poll data for popular characters. Also, while I respect you for doing your own preparation and providing such a thorough statement of your points, you really can't deny that I did the same. My response took over a half hour to type, as well, but you kind of ignore that.

I was only wording that how you worded it in your own response. You said something along the lines of "barely knowing her"... so I wouldn't have assumed you did research other than read the wiki page, which you did mention.
And there is no set way a character would HAVE to work. In earlier Fire Emblem games her human form already has the wings, and people have been able to throw the dragon attacks onto her human form including attacks you wouldn't expect like "tail swipe"
And it seems like the newcomers this time are very well done characters that would have taken a long time, which is why we're possibly get less newcomers. I don't see this as a problem, but priority still is (AKA competition), and I understand that.

I apologize if I offended you, but that was not my goal. I was just asking you, player-to-player, to stop trying to tell other people how they should make their ratings. If people disagree with you and won't listen to your reasoning, you just kind of have to take it in stride instead of harping on them. It looked to me like players who normally would have just given low ratings decided to abstain because of what you had said, but I may have been premature in my judgement. What had miffed me was that you had made that post about how everyone should really have want scores higher than 50%--the reasoning you gave is against the very suggested criteria I have in the OP and against my longstanding tolerance for people giving whatever want scores they want for whatever they want.

I really do think people were abstaining due to lack of knowledge on the character, and no interest in researching her for proper judgement. I don't think everybody actually saw my post, especially the 2nd page.
And I don't remember telling everybody to give her a 50%+ want.
I just said that 50% was neutral, and 0% was hating something.
I didn't tell people to like it...
That portion has been something I've been wanting to say for a long time.
If there's one thing I hate to see, it's posts like:
"both characters :0 chance/want
x5 other"
I can't stand the fact that quick posts with no evidence count as much as posts with detailed information supporting their decision. But of course that's how it has to be.

I do like to start discussions on here though. So I just hope that next time it looks like I'm trying to change everybody's opinions and scales, I'm just trying to get a response.

I'd prefer to just table this and move on to the next day. I apologize for any offense I may have given you, but I still keep my request that you let things fly a bit more when people have different opinions in the future.

I only got mad at the one person that gave her a 0% chance... that means impossible.
Okay, it doesn't matter what you say the scale is on this. 0% chance literally means it's impossible.

This is an interesting discussion. I don't want to go into it in too much depth right here and now, but this is a subject that I have always found fascinating--what makes us want characters? I see that being a female is a good thing in your eyes, but I actually couldn't care less about that. I don't know--I've never cared about the gender of most characters. I'm more into things like personality and design than gender. For example, I like villains because their personality stands out from the rest of the cast.

All of the female characters have become my mains at some point, and all but Jiggly are in my top 10 most used characters.
And I just find them more appealing.
I actually find females to stand out more.
We have more villains, and it's easier to tell male vs female and pro vs anti

Being unique is good, yes. I'm not a huge fan of clones or "boring" characters like Toon Link or Lucas. Even so, I'm a bit more lenient about what I consider to be unique--a character doesn't need a gimmick, they just need to have a completely different feel than other characters. It's really hard to define for me.

I'm all for the gimmicks. I love extremely weird and gimmicky characters.

I'd look it up for you, but I'm about to fall asleep at my computer--I need to go, now. Please just look around in the result tab of the OP.

Picking on King K. Rool, my most wanted newcomer? You have guts, son. ...I agree. He's massively overrated in my opinion, and I'm glad someone went out of their way to call him out on it. He's a strong contender for my most overrated as well, but I need to run through the list one more time before I jump to a conclusion.

I don't know... he has major competition in Waddle Dee for most overrated character.
I think I may end up putting K Rool too though.
I think it's definitely inbetween those...
Wait... Karate Joe is ranked WHERE?
Hmmm... now I'm considering 3 characters...

@ Depressed Gengar Kamek's current score is 11.34%

Hm... I think that sounds very fair.
I would have probably given him a 17% if I had rated him.
So I won't be rating Kamek...

Woah... why is my post divided so much?

10.30% chance.
I say his scores should be a bit higher. In the race for a 3rd Kid Icarus character, I say that Hades is in the lead.

Hmmm... I just think that Medusa is more iconic...
Which is more popular?

Spoiler

Most overrated...

Well, I'll agree that Palutena, Ridley and K Rool are more likely overrated than underrated. But the margins aren't that large, if you ask me. Kid Icarus has been getting a lot of content, and Palutena is very popular. Ridley has been hinted at enough times that it seems like it's not just a spurious association, and he's also very popular. K Rool is also very popular, and comes from an underrepresented series with huge sales. On paper, they're three of the strongest contenders out there. So I don't think any of them are more than 10-15% overrated, and relative to their scores that's not huge.

Shulk seems a bit overrated to me. He's simply not that big... yet. He's certainly up-and-coming though, and Sakurai could promote someone like that. I think he's below 50% though, so I'll say he's about 20% overrated.

Takamaru also seems overrated. As a retro rep, he's very easy to make into a character, he's become less obscure recently, and retro competition is less fierce now that some other characters have gotten in and have even stopped being retro (Pit and Little Mac). But absent any actual hints from Sakurai, he should be more like 30% - I'll be a little surprised to see him, and not so much if he's not in. So he's about 20% overrated.

Waddle Dee - I don't think Kirby is getting a fourth rep. I will concede Waddle Dee is the most likely one, but unless larger series like Zelda, DKC and Pokemon all get new reps, I don't see why a medium sized series like Kirby would get four. That said, it's possible. But I think he should at most have a one in five chance, so 20% (personally, I think it's lower, but I don't wanna get into that whole thing). That puts him at about 18% overrated.

Robin is a bit overrated too, and a 10-15% overrate is more relevant considering she's at a lower chance level.

Relative overrating, well, I'd say Reggie because not only should he be 0% (he has a chance in bizarro world, but he's practically infinitely overrated) but it should be extremely obvious that he's 0%...

But I'd say Waddle Dee is the most overrated considering both absolute and relative overrating.

Most underrated...

Well, I don't generally think many characters are underrated here. The bias is to guess high. Clearly we underestimated Rosalina (although I don't mean we should've been rating her 80% or whatever... but in retrospect she should've been up as one of the top Mario characters at least). To be honest, I can't really pick anyone and say they definitely need a higher percent. For sure someone who's not one of our 60+% rated characters will get in, but given what we know now, I can't say I think someone is very underrated.

Personally, I'll say Mii, because there has been significantly more Mii-related content revealed since our last rate, and I'm feeling a little bit more bullish on the chances. But I don't think it should be that much higher really.
You think there will be four Fire Emblem slots, one of whom is a tag-team, and therefore five characters and movesets? Really?

I do think there will be 4. And no tag team. A side-by-side team. Like Ice Climbers.

Why on earth would you think Fire Emblem is getting that many characters?

I've gotten into this discussion so many times... I don't want to again...

Keep in mind that
1. Tiki is not the only character with potential for a unique moveset
2. it's entirely valid to want a character you have a connection with even if their moveset is "less interesting" according to you
3. transformation characters have been done
4. gimmicky movesets while perhaps more "unique" are not automatically better. Uniqueness and quality aren't identical.

Personally, I don't think Tiki is necessary for a unique moveset, I don't care about Fire Emblem characters, and while I don't hate transformation characters, I'd generally prefer two independent characters to a two-in-one character. Combine taking two movesets with being a character I don't care about, and that makes me not want her. I'd rather get two separate movesets attached to characters I do like.
I disagree in most cases.

This really wasn't about you at all.
But like I've said before, there is no way she absolutely MUST work as a fighter.

If you're a rater who's generally knowledgeable about Nintendo (as I am, and Groose is, and many other raters), then not knowing the character is information too. It means that Tiki is not important enough to break free from her Fire Emblem bubble. I've heard of Chrom and Hector and Micaiah, etc. but I hadn't heard anything about Tiki before she came up here. That's not irrelevant.

You should learn a bare minimum about a character, of course, but I don't need to find out that much to get a general read on a Fire Emblem character. Is she a main character? Is she used to promote the series? How popular is she among FE or Smash fans? What are the kinds of moves she might have? Knowing her role in the game, her personality, etc. helps too, but it's not as important, IMO. I was able to discern that information from the thread, I don't need to play FE to understand that she's just not that important of a character. Sorry.
I'll enjoy and be happy with her if she gets in and I like her moveset. But until then I'll consider her unlikely and be uninterested in her. I'll be perfectly willing to give her a try in the unlikely event she gets in.
But Smash isn't meant to please only Fire Emblem fans, it's meant to please all Nintendo fans. Which is why people who aren't super into a series provide a valuable counterpoint to some fans who may be overly zealous. And I'll admit I might be overrating Ridley and K Rool because I like Metroid and DKC a lot.

Okay...
Yea that really wasn't directed towards you.
And I'm not really sure what you want me to say... I stand by what I said before.

 

[Cheezey Bites]

I'm going to do something a little different and do a most over and under rated by both actual percentage number and by multiplier, choose whichever you feel fits the thread best.

Most Over-rated:
Linear: Bandana Dee (~25% over-rated)
He's unnecessary to Kirby, doesn't bring enough new, and is generally pretty unlikely to happen.
K.Rool and Robin are both high here too, but don't quite reach Dee's levels.

Multiplier: Plasm Wraith (∞ over-rated)
The highest rated character on the list who should have a flat 0%. He is the biggest infinity.
The vast majority of those under this are also infinitely over-rated.




Most Under-rated: Slime (~16% under rated)
Linear: Yeah, he's third party, and while my 44% is probably too high for a balanced score (I'll say 20%) but being 40% lower is too low in my books

Multiplier: Banjo & Kazooie (~8.5* under rated)
I don't put much stock in the Rare buyout theory (though more than most it seems), but it's something that makes sense with a struggling console and e3 on the way (especially as they're getting smash out the way for something even more hype worthy?), even if it's only a 1% chance that's 8.5* higher than our current score.

 

[Zhadgon]

Overrated: Bandana Waddle Dee, that score in chance is so... (I can´t even have words for it), how did people think he has chance is beyond my comprehension, I would give him 10% and thats a lot for a character that is competing against Krystal, Bowser Jr., etc.

Underrated: Andy from Advance Wars, seriously only 9.60% don´t make me laugh, people should stop pulling scores from their... when they haven´t research about the character and the series. Wars Franchise have more than 10 games, going back to the Nes era, by now I can´t believe we haven´t get a character from this series in Smash.

By the way @ Groose great thread, I hope the new one will be as successful and fun like this one.

.n_n.

 

[PK_Wonder]

How do you feel about the most mentioned character in each category (most overrated and most underrated) automatically getting like 100 honorary nominations to boost to the top of the revotes list? Since so many people collectively agree for each one, we can do something to change it soon as opposed to waiting weeks. That will make this week fun AND productive.

Most overrated:
Bandanna Dee
Impa
Snake
Daitoryo
Karate Joe
Porky

Most underrated:
Ghirahim
Andy
Chrom
Wonder Red
Bayonetta

 

[andimidna]

Going to look at them individually. I only got to #50.

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Newcomers

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1. CONFIRMED! Little Mac (Punch-Out!!): DAY 81: (88.11% chance, 77.00% want); DAY 12: (83.59% chance, 73.22% want)
Can't choose a confirmed character. I would have given him like a 95% chance though.
2. Palutena (Kid Icarus): DAY 141: (81.66% chance, 75.07% want); DAY 97: (70.69% chance, 74.37% want); DAY 2: (76.35% chance, 77.22% want)
I honestly think she deserves even higher. She has everything. Absolutely everything. I'd give her a 95% chance also. But I definitely would never call her underrated. She's at the top.
3. Ridley (Metroid): DAY 158: (73.98% chance, 81.21% want); DAY 80: (71.38% chance, 84.80% want); DAY 44: (69.95% chance, 84.13% want); DAY 3: (71.1% chance, 78.73% want)
Wow. He's consistent. I think I gave him a 65% chance... I stand by that. I don't think he is significantly overrated. Just by a few percent.
4. King K. Rool (Donkey Kong): Day 163: (68.28% chance, 85.46% want); DAY 89: (74.36% chance, 84.47% want); DAY 5: (72.48% chance, 78.57% want)
Wow. I'm just not seeing K Rool happening. Dixie was planned for Brawl and came back. Nintendo is Cranky-obsessed right now. They are marketing Dixie and Cranky (plus the other 2 kongs and the snowmads and tikis) a lot... too much if you ask me. I was so disappointed when Cranky was the VGX announcement. And then they reconfirmed him multiple times. (However I can't see Cranky over Dixie, Dixie was shown as the 3rd Kong in TF, Cranky the 4th... just wouldn't look right to me) So is Nintendo marketing K Rool? No, they are currently denying rock formations resembling him, and are backing up their reasoning to adding new villains in the series.
I just don't think it's happening for him.
And I definitely wouldn't call him more likely than not. He has major competition in Dixie and Cranky. And Nintendo seems to like those characters more. They have recency, B tier uniqueness, importance, their iconic, their also requested in popular, just slightly less-so.
5. Shulk (Xenoblade): Day 174: (64.06% chance, 66.79% want); Day 136: (55.76% chance, 67.20% want); Day 6: (49.58% chance, 61.12% want)
I'd give him a bit higher but not much, maybe 10% higher.
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6. Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong): DAY 150: (63.68% chance, 68.25% want); DAY 65: (55.39% chance, 40.60% want); DAY 7: (57.38% chance, 50.17% want)
She's underrated. I'd put her much close to Palutena, and above K Rool, I think I already explained my thoughts in his post.
7. Mii (Wii Series): Day 169: (61.62% chance, 28.26% want); Day 17: (57.08% chance, 27.40% want)
This looks about right.
8.Pac-Man (Pac-Man): Day 161: (59.96% chance, 50.21% want); Day 8: (54.99% chance, 34.79% want)
Fine score.
9.Takamaru (Nazu no Murasamejou): Day 164: (49.67% chance, 57.51% want); Day 19: (59.54% chance, 52.82% want)
Meh. His original score was more accurate. Oh well, it's fine.
10. Chrom (Fire Emblem): DAY 125: (44.56% chance, 31.46% want); DAY 25: (69.65% chance, 57.27% want)
HOLY ****! You guys rated him as more likely to NOT happen?! Ha!
Despite common belief, he could easily be unique.
And that's really the only thing against him other than having blue hair. Which is dumb, blue hair is awesome.
I'd have the top 3 as Palutena, Dixie Kong, Chrom.
I'd give him an 80% chance.
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Toon Zelda and Tetra (The Legend of Zelda): Day 172: (30.81% chance, 45.28% want); (DAY 90: (38.69% chance, 49.60% want); DAY 30: (23.69% chance, 42.26% want)
Is this the new rating?
A bit overrated. Toon Zelda being an obvious clone should have made this plummet way below solo Tetra.
12. Waddle Dee (Kirby): DAY 121: (38.06% chance, 64.26% want); DAY 99: (25.21% chance, 55.20% want); DAY 22: (17.70% chance, 38.00% want)
Wow. He's on the chance chart. Umm... no.
The logic that we'll get another Kirby character is flawed. We got 2 main characters in Brawl.
Sakurai is modest.
He will choose Palutena over him, no question.
Almost no appeal as a playable character, only popular among a few common SmashBoards-users
13. Isaac (Golden Sun): DAY 131: (33.87% chance, 68.46% want); DAY 4: (52.48% chance, 71.6% want)
I'd put him 10% higher
14. Robin (Fire Emblem): DAY 129: (32.61% chance, 56.00% want); DAY XX: (15.10% chance, 38.90% want)
Seems about right.
15. DECONFIRMED! ASSIST TROPHY! Starfy (The Legendary Starfy): 30.92% chance, 40.03% want
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18. Zoroark (Pokemon): 20.23% chance, 39.42% want
Would have called him overrated, but his new score is perfect.
19. Chibi Robo (Chibi Robo): 19.71% chance, 44.47% want
Ehh... he's 4% too high. Now big deal.
20. Impa (Legend of Zelda): 18.81% chance, 28.61% want
She's overrated. I'd give her like a 10-5% chance and an 80% want.
I don't think Sakurai will add a character just because they are recurring when they have no fanbase, basically no uniqueness, and no importance in their roles. Her many roles have her doing almost nothing. She should have half the score of Anna. Anna is in like every FE game, Impa is in half of the Zelda games. And Anna has actually been playable. Anna has a 12%, so Impa should have 6%
I still am one of the 18 people on Earth that like Impa though.
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21. Saki (Sin and Punishment): Day 142: (18.53% chance, 42.46% want); Day 41: (39.34% chance, 54.15% want)
Good.
22. "New" Pokemon Trainer (Pokemon): 18.33% chance, 37.95% want
Overrated, but I really don't care. Seems insignificant to me for some reason.
23. Bowser Jr. (Mario): DAY 132: (17.88% chance, 44.55% want); DAY 61: (56.43% chance, 68.16% want); DAY 13: (43.44% chance, 56.48% want)
Overrated. We won't get 6 Mario characters. But this is nothing compared to KRool and Dee
Dillon (Rolling Western): Day 184: (17.70% chance, 50.37% want); Old: (30.62% chance, 54.23% want)
Fine.
24. Mach Rider (Mach Rider): 17.62% chance, 44.75% want
A bit high. But only by... 4.5%
25. Samurai Goroh (F-Zero): 16.92% chance, 38.44% want
Sure.
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26. Krystal (Star Fox): DAY 128 (16.33% chance, 27.05% want); DAY 11: (32.86% chance, 49.54% want)
A bit underrated. I think she's 50/50. Or probably more like 35%. A 4th Starfox character would make no sense if it wasn't requested but it's very requested.
(t) 26. Tetra [solo] (Legend of Zelda): 16.33% chance, 51.03% want
Should be higher than her with TZelda
28. CONFIRMED! Rosalina (Super Mario): 15.77% chance, 42.90% want
She would have been my vote for underrated if she wasn't confirmed. I'd have given her like a 70% chance, I was seriously that confident.
29. Lucina (Fire Emblem): DAY 104: (15.39% chance, 45.73% want); DAY 15: (22.56% chance, 43.4% want)
She's underrated. I think she'd most likely be with Chrom, and he's probably happening, so I think she'll be playable.
30. Tom Nook (Animal Crossing): 13.73% chance, 38.46% want
His chances increased majorly last night. I don't know if it's fair to call that being underrated though.
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31. Lip (Panel de Pon): 13.69% chance, 34.81% want
This injustice has been fixed already.
32. Tingle (Legend of Zelda): DAY 117: (13.31% chance, 23.31% want); DAY 27: (15.59% chance, 25.85% want)
Hm. That seems a bit too high. No that's actually kind of low. Well... ehh... it's fine where it is.
33. Black Shadow (F-Zero): 13.09% chance, 43.00% want
Fine.
34.Karate Joe (Rhythm Heaven): 12.97% chance, 24.71% want
He's overrated by A LOT. Not in percentage, but in placement. He just needs to move down slightly in percentage, say.... 4%?
That would put him in a more realistic spot.
Rythym Heaven isn't likely to receive a character, and Karate Jo wouldn't necessarily be who they pick. I've seen a total of 0 requests for him. And is the only character I didn't know when I first came to the thread and saw the results.
35. Ray (Custom Robo): 12.95% chance, 45.05% want
Fine.
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36. DECONFIRMED! ASSIST TROPHY! Waluigi (Super Mario) DAY 100: (12.75% chance, 44.13% want); DAY 32: (24.72% chance, 35.02% want)
He was pretty overrated.
37. Porky (Mother): 12.71% chance. 48.66% want
Fine.
38. Cranky Kong (Donkey Kong): 12.31% chance, 37.20% want
Very underrated and I already made my case for this.
39. Professor Layton (Professor Layton): 12.17% chance, 44.89% want
Seems a bit high.
40. Anna (Fire Emblem): 12.07% chance, 44.77% want
I'd double her score.
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41. Daitoryo (Hanafuda): 11.99% chance, 36.80% want
A little high.
42.Medusa (Kid Icarus): 11.85% chance, 28.26% want
A little high.
43. Kamek (Yoshi's Island): 11.34% chance, 36.06% want
Fine.
44. Muddy Mole (Mole Mania): 11.08% chance, 42.54% want
Fine.
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Hades (Kid Icarus): Day 180: (10.30% chance, 54.34% want); Day 114; (9.63% chance, 52.19% want)
Fine.
46. Duck Hunt Dog (Duck Hunt): 10.34% chance, 35.43% want
Fine.
47. Ghirahim (Legend of Zelda): 9.86% chance, 33.76% want
Very underrated. I think he is the most likely Zelda newcomer for popularity, requests, and uniqueness, and I think a Zelda newcomer is going to happen. I'd give him a 50/50 shot.
Paper Mario (Mario): Day 180: (9.58% chance, 39.02% want); DAY 101: (29.85% chance, 50.97% want); DAY 14: (28.33% chance, 44.25% want).
Fine.
49. Andy (Wars) 9.60% chance, 37.38% want
Fine.
50. Masked Man (Mother): 9.43% chance, 42.00% want
Fine.
(t) 50. Chrom and Lucina Team (Fire Emblem): 9.43% chance, 31.56% want
I really do think this will be playable. Chrom could be without her, but Awakening would actually be better represented if they were together.
It's more unique too. I'd give it a 60%, I think it's more likely than not.

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52. Blaziken (Pokemon): 9.27% chance, 42.93% want
53. Simon Belmont (Castlevania): 9.18% chance, 44.43% want
54. Vaati (Legend of Zelda): 9.15% chance, 34.30% want
55. Genesect (Pokemon): 8.56% chance, 27.75% want
56. Mona (WarioWare): 8.50% chance, 46.86% want
57. Lyn (Fire Emblem): Day 151: (8.28% chance, 37.86% want); Day 12.74% chance, 36.26% want
58. Wonder Red (Wonderful 101): 8.05% chance, 37.10% want
59. Dark Samus (Metroid): 7.94% chance, 26.32% want
60. DECONFIRMED! ASSIST TROPHY!Skull Kid (Legend of Zelda): 7.52% chance, 41.47% want
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61. Matthew (Golden Sun): 7.50% chance, 33.36% want
Sheriff (Retro): 7.50% chance, 16.82% want
Meowth (Pokemon): Day 168: (7.33% chance, 43.81% want); Day 62: (11.02% chance, 43.38% want)
62. Excitebiker (Excitebike): 7.15% chance, 33.96% want
63. Slippy Toad (Star Fox): 6.75% chance, 25.35% want
Midna (Legend of Zelda) 6.32% chance, 41.95% want
64. DECONFIRMED! ASSIST TROPHY!Ashley (WarioWare): 5.85% chance, 27.43% want
65. Ganon (Legend of Zelda): 5.76% chance, 38.29% want
66. Prince Sable (For the Frog the Bell Tolls): 5.74% chance, 30.57% want
(t) 66. Louie (Pikmin): 5.74% chance, 23.55% want
68. Sukapon (Joy Mech Fight): 5.44% chance, 37.89% want
69. Jimmy T. (WarioWare): 5.34% chance, 38.31% want
70. Doctor Kawashima (Brain Age): 5.15% chance, 22.12% want
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71. Rayman (Rayman): 5.13 % chance, 42.31% want
72. Bomberman (Bomberman): DAY 133: (4.94% chance, 59.83% want); DAY 56: (7.70% chance, 53.95% want)
73. Rhythm Wrestler (Rhythm Heaven): 4.82% chance, 48.50% want
74. Slime (Dragon Quest): DAY 124: (4.80% chance, 32.65% want); DAY 58: (6.06% chance, 24.43% want)
Alph (Pikmin): 4.76% chance, 21.36% want
75. Diskun (Famicom Disk Drive): 4.72% chance, 20.12% want
Isa (Sin and Punishment): 4.68% chance, 19.79% want
76. Captain Rainbow (Captain Rainbow): 4.45% chance, 40.74% want
77. Donbe and Hikari (Shin Onigashima) 4.35% chance, 36.79% want
78. Rhtyhm Monkey (Rhythm Heaven): 4.34% chance, 17.65% want
79. Captain Syrup (Wario Land): 4.18% chance, 27.26% want
80. Lloyd Irving (Tales of Symphonia): 4.00% chance, 28.34% want
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Magolor (Kirby): 3.99% chance, 31.16% want
81. Plasm Wraith (Pikmin): 3.80% chance, 13.43% want
82. Dark Pit (Kid Icarus): 3.66% chance, 24.55% want
83. Micaiah (Fire Emblem): 3.62% chance, 18.98% want
84 Sylveon (Pokemon) 3.61% chance, 16.20% want
85. Victini (Pokemon): 3.46% chance, 24.39% want
86. Aeron (Pandora's Tower): 3.44% chance, 23.90% want
87. Anthony Higgs (Metroid): 3.43% chance, 13.64% want
88. Grovyle (Pokemon): 3.41% chance, 33.91% want
89. Fawful (Mario and Luigi): 3.06% chance, 34.52% want
90. Toad (Super Mario): Day 140: (3.05% chance, 50.29% want); DAY 78: (17.90% chance, 45.08% want); DAY 26: (30.16% chance, 36.28% want)
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91. Bayonetta (Bayonetta): 3.03% chance, 20.70% want
92. Geno (Super Mario): 2.93% chance, 31.65% want
Wild Gunman (Retro): 2.93% chance, 13.40% want
Sandbag (Super Smash Bros.): Day 178: (2.85% chance, 18.72% want); Old: (0.63% chance, 20.41% want)
93. King Boo (Luigi's Mansion): 2.71% chance, 26.42% want
Zael (The Last Story): 2.68% chance, 21.18% want
94. Mike Jones (StarTropics): 2.64% chance, 14.18% want
95. Black Mage (Final Fantasy): 2.61% chance, 37.78% want
Alph, Brittany, Charlie Trio (Pikmin): 2.58% chance, 15.64% want
96. Tails (Sonic the Hedgehog): 2.54% chance, 31.67% want
Professor E. Gadd (Luigi's Mansion): 2.46% chance, 31.63% want
97. Princess Daisy (Super Mario): 2.41% chance. 13.14% want
98. Ninten (Mother): 2.31% chance, 7.61% want
99. Magnus (Kid Icarus): 2.23% chance, 15.79% want
100. Dark Matter (Kirby): 1.86% chance 17.67% want
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Shadow the Hedgehog (Sonic): 1.77% chance, 5.48% want
101. Ephraim (Fire Emblem): 1.73% chance, 24.05% want
102.Pauline (Donkey Kong): 1.72% chance, 11.43% want
103. Klonoa (Klonoa): 1.66% chance, 29.66% want
104. Harry (Teleroboxer): 1.65% chance, 22.52% want
105. Leon Powalski (Star Fox): 1.51% chance, 21.79% want
106. Reggie (Nintendo of America): 1.44% chance, 17.44% want
Alexandra Roivas (Eternal Darkness): 1.32% chance, 26.29% want
107. Zero (Mega Man): 1.29% chance, 26.33% want
108. Tharja (Fire Emblem): 1.26% chance, 16.17% want
109. Eevee (Pokemon): 1.23% chance, 18.25% want
110. Groose (Legend of Zelda): 1.16% chance, 43.58% want
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111. Master Hand (Super Smash Bros.): 1.15% chance, 28.59% want
Shantae (Shantae): 1.01% chance, 33.92% want
112. Stork (Yoshi's Island): 0.97% chance, 9.75% want
113. Quote (Cave Story): 0.96% chance, 22.17% want
(t) 114.Goku (YuYuKi): 0.96% chance, 31.82% want
114. Goemon (Ganbare Goemon): 0.93% chance, 11.80% want
115. Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes): 0.92% chance, 24.72% want
116. Knuckles (Sonic the Hedgehog): 0.90% chance, 27.34% want
117. Tiny Kong (Donkey Kong): 0.80% chance, 14.39% want
Balloon Fighter (Balloon Fight): 0.79% chance, 27.88% want
Adam Malkovich (Metroid): 0.79% chance, 0.43% want
118. Owain (Fire Emblem): 0.72% chance, 14.51% want
119. Mask Link (Legend of Zelda): 0.70% chance, 24.91% want
120. Bulborb (Pikmin): 0.68% chance, 7.94% want
Jack Frost (Shin Megami): 0.68% chance, 25.91% want
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121. Cloud Strife (Final Fantasy) .67% chance, 7.75% want.
122. Primid (Super Smash Bros.): 0.63% chance, 9.05% want
Happy Mask Salesman (Legend of Zelda): 0.62% chance, 24.63% want
124. Phoenix Wright (Ace Attorney): 0.58% chance, 41.98% want
Goku (Dragon Ball): 0.46% chance, 12.51% want
125. Reyn (Xenoblade): 0.41% chance, 8.00% want
Sora (Kingdom Hearts): 0.38% chance, 21.49% want
126.Chef Kawasaki (Kirby): 0.36% chance, 9.03% want
Omastar (Pokemon): Day 185: (0.35% chance, 25.85% want); Old: (0.19% chance, 11.63% want)
127. Neku and Shiki (The World Ends With You): 0.34% chance, 21.84% want
Panther Caruso (Star Fox): 0.33% chance, 2.52% want
128. Nintendog (Nintendogs): 0.30% chance, 11.13% want
129. Ryu (Street Fighter): 0.29% chance, 10.00% want
(t) 129. Nightmare (Soulcalibur): 0.29% chance, 8.58% want
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131. Count Bleck (Paper Mario): 0.26% chance, 11.90% want
132 Yarne (Fire Emblem): 0.25% chance,24.52% want
133. Amaterasu (Okami): 0.21% chance, 46.53% want
Arino (Retro Game Challenge): 0.20% chance, 24.14% want
135. Chancellor Cole (Legend of Zelda): 0.12% chance, 7.59% want
(t) 135. Banjo (Banjo-Kazooie): 0.12% chance, 72.57% want
137. Scrooge McDuck (Duck Tales): 0.03% chance, 12.96% want
Athena Cykes (Ace Attorney): 0.03% chance, 6.08% want
(t) 137. Yarne and Owain Team (Fire Emblem): 0.03% chance, 16.38% want

How do you feel about the most mentioned character in each category (most overrated and most underrated) automatically getting like 100 honorary nominations to boost to the top of the revotes list? Since so many people collectively agree for each one, we can do something to change it soon as opposed to waiting weeks. That will make this week fun AND productive.

Most overrated:
Bandanna Dee
Impa
Snake
Daitoryo
Karate Joe
Porky

Most underrated:
Ghirahim
Andy
Chrom
Wonder Red
Bayonetta

Snake was only rated like last week.

I'd add to that list:

Overrated: Bandana Dee, Impa, Daitoryo, Karate Joe, K Rool
Underrated: Ghirahim, Andy, Chrom, Chrom & Lucina, Wonder Red, Bayonetta, Cranky Kong, Captain Syrup

Took off Porky too as he's only overrated like 3%
I don't think Ghirahim needs the extra votes, he's about to be rated.
The rest do though.

 

[andimidna]

Oops, forgot to edit!

 

[Spears In Smash Bros.]

Most overrated: Pac-Man, Bandanna Dee, Impa to a lesser extent

Most underrated: Paper Mario, Ray, Mach Rider to a lesser extent

 

[Opossum]

Overrated?: Bandanna Waddle Dee.

Underrated?: Never did I think I'd see Chrom in this position, but nonetheless, here he is. I'll say Chrom.

 

[Erimir]

Most overrated...

Well, I'll agree that Palutena, Ridley and K Rool are more likely overrated than underrated. But the margins aren't that large, if you ask me. Kid Icarus has been getting a lot of content, and Palutena is very popular. Ridley has been hinted at enough times that it seems like it's not just a spurious association, and he's also very popular. K Rool is also very popular, and comes from an underrepresented series with huge sales. On paper, they're three of the strongest contenders out there. So I don't think any of them are more than 10-15% overrated, and relative to their scores that's not huge.

Shulk seems a bit overrated to me. He's simply not that big... yet. He's certainly up-and-coming though, and Sakurai could promote someone like that. I think he's below 50% though, so I'll say he's about 20% overrated.

Takamaru also seems overrated. As a retro rep, he's very easy to make into a character, he's become less obscure recently, and retro competition is less fierce now that some other characters have gotten in and have even stopped being retro (Pit and Little Mac). But absent any actual hints from Sakurai, he should be more like 30% - I'll be a little surprised to see him, and not so much if he's not in. So he's about 20% overrated.

Waddle Dee - I don't think Kirby is getting a fourth rep. I will concede Waddle Dee is the most likely one, but unless larger series like Zelda, DKC and Pokemon all get new reps, I don't see why a medium sized series like Kirby would get four. That said, it's possible. But I think he should at most have a one in five chance, so 20% (personally, I think it's lower, but I don't wanna get into that whole thing). That puts him at about 18% overrated.

Robin is a bit overrated too, and a 10-15% overrate is more relevant considering she's at a lower chance level.

Relative overrating, well, I'd say Reggie because not only should he be 0% (he has a chance in bizarro world, but he's practically infinitely overrated) but it should be extremely obvious that he's 0%...

But I'd say Waddle Dee is the most overrated considering both absolute and relative overrating.

Most underrated...

Well, I don't generally think many characters are underrated here. The bias is to guess high. Clearly we underestimated Rosalina (although I don't mean we should've been rating her 80% or whatever... but in retrospect she should've been up as one of the top Mario characters at least). To be honest, I can't really pick anyone and say they definitely need a higher percent. For sure someone who's not one of our 60+% rated characters will get in, but given what we know now, I can't say I think someone is very underrated.

Personally, I'll say Mii, because there has been significantly more Mii-related content revealed since our last rate, and I'm feeling a little bit more bullish on the chances. But I don't think it should be that much higher really.

My current FE roster is Marth, Ike, Chrom & Lucina, Tiki

You think there will be four Fire Emblem slots, one of whom is a tag-team, and therefore five characters and movesets? Really?

Why on earth would you think Fire Emblem is getting that many characters?

I don't understand having absolutely no want either... aren't you interested in movesets and potential playstyle?

Keep in mind that
1. Tiki is not the only character with potential for a unique moveset
2. it's entirely valid to want a character you have a connection with even if their moveset is "less interesting" according to you
3. transformation characters have been done
4. gimmicky movesets while perhaps more "unique" are not automatically better. Uniqueness and quality aren't identical.

Personally, I don't think Tiki is necessary for a unique moveset, I don't care about Fire Emblem characters, and while I don't hate transformation characters, I'd generally prefer two independent characters to a two-in-one character. Combine taking two movesets with being a character I don't care about, and that makes me not want her. I'd rather get two separate movesets attached to characters I do like.

I stand by saying people who don't know the character should just abstain or stay neutral.

I disagree in most cases.

If you're a rater who's generally knowledgeable about Nintendo (as I am, and Groose is, and many other raters), then not knowing the character is information too. It means that Tiki is not important enough to break free from her Fire Emblem bubble. I've heard of Chrom and Hector and Micaiah, etc. but I hadn't heard anything about Tiki before she came up here. That's not irrelevant.

You should learn a bare minimum about a character, of course, but I don't need to find out that much to get a general read on a Fire Emblem character. Is she a main character? Is she used to promote the series? How popular is she among FE or Smash fans? What are the kinds of moves she might have? Knowing her role in the game, her personality, etc. helps too, but it's not as important, IMO. I was able to discern that information from the thread, I don't need to play FE to understand that she's just not that important of a character. Sorry.

If you don't know the character, you could be dismissing something you'd actually really enjoy and be happy with.

I'll enjoy and be happy with her if she gets in and I like her moveset. But until then I'll consider her unlikely and be uninterested in her. I'll be perfectly willing to give her a try in the unlikely event she gets in.

If she has a lot of abstains and high wants, it just shows how popular she is amongst Fire Emblem fans, but basically unheard of in Smash discussions.

But Smash isn't meant to please only Fire Emblem fans, it's meant to please all Nintendo fans. Which is why people who aren't super into a series provide a valuable counterpoint to some fans who may be overly zealous. And I'll admit I might be overrating Ridley and K Rool because I like Metroid and DKC a lot.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Bandana Waddle Dee definitely seems like the most overrated character to me. I'm glad there are no plans to have another day for him on here.

Reggie and other similar "shock" characters are also overrated, even if he doesn't have much support.

Honestly, I think Toon Zelda/Tetra are kind of underrated. Personally I see them as the most likely Zelda newcomers, even a solo Tetra or possibly solo Toon Zelda. Toon Zelda was planned for Brawl, and considering how one of them would be a clone without a doubt, both seem to be rather popular choices, though certainly not as much as Ridley, K. Rool and Palutena among others.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Overrated:

Chrom (I think he's the easy choice for a fire emblem newcomer, people give him a bit too much credit as he isn't the only possibility knocking around)
Bandana Dee ( I have NO idea where the belief he's going to be playable comes from)
King K Rool (I've always thought his chances were overrated, more than the other "big 5" were)
Dixie Kong (Similar to K Rool)
Takamaru (Not as much as the others here but I don't feel anywhere close to certain of his chances)

Justified:
Palutena
Ridley
Mewtwo

Underrated:
Andy (Definitely Andy from Advance Wars, he has so much potential to cause an upset)
Robin (I don't think some respect this possibility because of the avatar aspect)
Mallo (A little, at this point I don't think he'll be playable.....but he's as much of a player in this as Dillon is, if not more)

Of course I feel like Isaac and Shulk are somewhat underrated too, I think Isaac becoming an assist trophy in brawl has made many wary of believing in him.

 

[FalKoopa]

Most overrated:
I think we're over-estimating the chances of Palutena, Shulk and Takamaru. I really don't think Shulk is really the 5th most likely character... I believe he should be behind Dixie Kong and Mii.
So yeah, the most overrated character, imo is SHULK.

Most Underrated:
I had a hard time deciding. I can't say I'm disagree much with the scores given to most of the newcomers. Still, I think it's TINGLE. I think his chances should be around 25-ish, not near 13%, where it is now. People are taking the fact that he has a hatebase a bit too seriously. I also think Isaac is a bit underrated, and his chances should be around 40-45%. That's it I suppose.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Most Overrated:

I feel that Dixie, Shulk, Takamaru and Bandana Dee are the more noticably overrated ones. If I had to only pick one though, it's probably Bandana Dee, even if I'd like him in personally.

Most Underrated:

Of the potential newcomers it's definitely Mii, who's in no way behind Shulk, K. Rool, Dixie and Ridley, not with the small subtle hints Sakurai has dropped and with how iconic they are. They're definitely at least in the Top 3. However, my final answer is Snake, who's most certainly not the veteran with the least chance of returning.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Most Overrated: Bandanna Dee-he is definetly not that likely.

Most Underrated: Miis-Considering just how historically important they are, their wackiness lending themselves well to the atmosphere and all the Mii-related stages hinting at them, they are definetly more likely than Shulk and even Dixie.

 

[Sid-cada]

Most overrated Character

Bandanna Dee - Yeah, I don't even have to look at a percentage to know that's way too high. Being in the top 10 is definitely excessive, and that's coming from a supporter!

Most Underrated Character

Solid Snake - I think he is a lot more likely than people are hung up about being a third party with questionable connections to Nintendo. I'd probably place him in the 80's, low 90's, about double what he has now.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

@ Depressed Gengar Kamek's current score is 11.34%

Good Lord, for sure my underrated. It should at least be in the 20-30% range.

 

[Pokechu]

Most Overrated:
Bowser Jr. He's just basically mini-bowser and I don't see too much differences. He hasn't even appeared in many important mario games right now, and his percentage is WAY too high.

Most Underrated:
Toad. He's Ninty's most iconic character not in smash. His chances should at least be higher than his current ones. People say he has no potential, but they didn't say that with Villager/Rosalina, who turned out to have LOTS of it?

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Most Overrated Character: Robin.
Most Underrated: Lucina.
Underestimated despite being the main poster child of Awakening in Japan and being more popular than Chrom. Easily sitting as the 2nd most likely Awakening newcomer imo.

 

[Glaciacott]

Mm, this is a bit tricky.

Most overrated: Bandanna Dee
Yes, I have to echo what everyone else is saying. Of the top ten of RTC, Dee is the main one that feels like he's out of place. All the other characters in that 10 I see as solid candidates, even if Dixie and K.Rool seem mutually exclusive since I don't see any series getting more than one rep.
But yes, in short, Dee shouldn't be in the top ten imo.

Most underrated: mm ....
There's a lot of characters that are horribly out of place.
Andy has been mentioned and I agree he wound up being underrated. The Famicom Wars series is definitely a huge part of Nintendo and even if it's not getting new games as of late it's still a series dating from Famicom all the way to Wii, boasting several successful games. With Andy being the main character in the extremely well-received Advance Wars, it'd be a given he'd represent such a rich, important series.
On a similar note, I think like hippopotasauce that Rhythm Heaven is criminally underrated in these forums. Supporters have proven how content-rich the series is and how many possible unique movesets can be made for a character from this series. We're also talking about a series that sold extremely well, and also one of the few new series, if not the only one, that has had three successful games post-brawl. If there's a desire to include more things about the post-Brawl Nintendo, I see Shulk and Rhythm Heaven representation as solid bets.
And then we get to Zelda, where we have Ghirahim having an extremely low rating even though the hype this guy has is absurd. Insanely popular character, from an insanely popular series. I don't think he's the fair choice (vaati, impa and tetra being more important to the series in my book) BUT he's still just as likely given representation doesn't always follow conventions of fairness (eg. Jigglypuff but not meowth in Smash64)

However, since all these characters got mention from other people, I'm going to go ahead and say Blaziken is the most underrated. It actually seems to be the case that most, if not all, of the characters I find underrated barely failed to pass the 10% line.
In the case of Blaziken, I am extremely convinced that it is the most likely new Pokemon rep, hands down. This thing is receiving Lucario-level amounts of promotion, content and merchandise, was the first starter revealed to have a mega-evo (BEFORE they told us about the kanto starter mega-evos) and it's the most popular Hoenn starter as we live in a generation in which the adolescent population is the generation of kids that grew up with Ruby and Sapphire. The only reasons I don't think this thing deserves huge scores is 1) moveset potential (too much risk of becoming a pokemon cpt. falcon) and 2) the fact this game will be perfect for Pokemon with just the return of Mewtwo.
Nevertheless, given how huge Blaziken is to the pokemon world and pokemon fandom, and the possibility of Gamefreak wanting a new pokemon in this game, I don't see how it's way down there in the chance chart, and I'd genuinely be surprised if another pokemon character gets in before it.

Blaziken receives my vote for most underrated.

 

[Deleted member]

Later on in the day, I will tally the votes to see where we are at thus far.
I can easily say that Chandelure won't be happy...

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

edit: NEVERMIND. THE RESULTS PAGE ISN'T IN ORDER, MY MISTAKE

 

[Deleted member]

Most Overrated

Looking at the top ten, there's Palutena, Ridley, K. Rool, Shulk, Dixie Kong, Mii, Pac-Man, Takamaru, Chrom and Bandanna Dee. I'd say most of those deserve their high ranking, though there are a couple of exceptions. One is Dixie Kong, one is Bandanna Dee, but as K. Rool is at the front of the running there and King Dedede is already in, I've got to give it to Dixie out of competition.

Dixie Kong

I don't think two DK newcomers is that likely, given how when we got Meta Knight and Dedede, MK was revealed alongside Brawl then Dedede came later. The only way I can see Dixie Kong being in now is if she's a quickly-made clone of Diddy Kong added in at the last second. However, many of these sorts of clones were left out of Brawl as part of the "forbidden seven," that says to me that Sakurai is over putting in clones to artificially increase the roster by packing in unoriginal movesets.

The other problem is that Dixie Kong doesn't have the potential for her own standalone moveset. She simply lacks the material for one, comparable to Cranky or Funky Kong. They have a very small niche that isn't good moveset fodder - hers is that she's a female Diddy Kong who uses hair for her attacks. That's not enough to make a whole moveset. Diddy uses his peanut gun and jetpack from DK64, a game where Dixie Kong is replaced by the unremarkable Tiny Kong. Aside from that, Diddy uses banana skins and a generic leap.

That is a genuine problem now that Dixie Kong is confirmed to not be part of a tag team. She has to come up with not only a replacement for the banana skins and the leap, but also the peanut gun and jetpack. I count her hair spin as an up special... what else is there, before she becomes a clone of Diddy Kong? Seeing as SSB4 has been all about uniqueness so far, a clone of Diddy Kong that uses hair for melee isn't cutting it for me.

I'd put her closer to Impa at 20th/18% chance, because that's another character I feel would rely upon filling out the roster, uncharacteristic of Sakurai past Melee. DK has been given its two veterans early so it getting two newcomers is more likely than anything else, but I'm counting on a pretty tight roster.

Most Underrated

Far harder than most overrated. There are a few flavors of the month that I'd put here like Tom Nook, Andy or Isaac that have a good shot because of a lack of de-confirmation, or because of the upcoming direct that's taking place around the time of the GBA VC. However, I'll stick with my guns and go for a rep that I've always felt is underrated.

Fawful

Okay, firstly, I do not think Fawful is likely. He'd be fitting in the top forty, but right now he's sitting at 89th/3%. I know he's old news, but the Mario & Luigi series has already played a huge part in redesigning Bowser. Fawful was a character in all three of those games on DS, being an antagonist in two, and the antagonist in Bowser's Inside Story - the most successful and well-known game of the franchise.

Fawful is not only a fantastic personality, he's incredibly unique and has ample potential for a unique set. If you know the character you'll surely agree, as it's all too obvious - inventions, magic and melee derived from his comical antics that would not be remotely unseemly in Smash Bros. He'd be an amazing addition and judging by what Sakurai did to Bowser, I think it could happen.

It helps as well that Mario & Luigi is going strong, even if Dream Team wasn't a huge success that was long after the finalization of the roster. However, the two main characters can't appear as Mario and Luigi are (obviously) already in the game. Seeing as Bowser is too, Fawful is the only realistic character who can be added to rep the series. Antasma is too new and if you think Fawful is old, Cackletta and the terrible Shroom villains have zero chance.

If we consider that Sakurai is going to be representing games largely from the DS era, it goes without saying a M&L rep would be a good idea and it'd rep that developer too, who were involved in the development of the Mario RPG games. I think it all adds up to a chance greater than 3%.

 

[Chandeelure]

Later on in the day, I will tally the votes to see where we are at thus far.
I can easily say that Chandelure won't be happy...

No, but seriously, I'm not angry, I personally think 38% is fine for Bandana Dee, but 25%-30% is pretty good too, at least for me.
But I would be angry if his want score is lower this time...

Most overrated: K.Rool, Shulk.

Most underrated: Tingle, Lucina.

 

[Louie G.]

MOST OVERRATED:
As a big fan of Ridley and K. Rool, it hurts me to say that they are very overrated in this community. Top 5 likeliness? More like Top 10.
But my answer is a tie between Robin and Roy. Personally I just don't think the thought of Robin even went through Sakurai's mind when choosing the next FE character. Chrom and Lucina are far more popular and advertised, so those two are the best choices in my eyes. Roy is just irrelevant now. I said it, ROY IS IRRELEVANT. HE HAD HIS CHANCE.

MOST UNDERRATED:
I'm going to go with Tom Nook. Animal Crossing is a big series, and if Fire Emblem can get two characters in Melee, a humongously popular series like Animal Crossing can EASILY get two characters in Smash 4. Also there's a lot pointing to his inclusion at this point so we'll see where it goes.

 

[NickerBocker]

Most overrated:
Im divided between Shulk and Bandana Dee. B Dee is in a weird position of being a generic population with a distinguishing feature, while there is no indication towards Shulk being included other than that tweet from Sakurai. However, I do think Dees score is more fair (still higher than expected) than Shulk. I will go with SHULK as most overrated.

Most underrated:
Kamek. Plain and simple. Yoshi is the only original 8 series that doesn't have another character. While Kamek isn't that likely, I feel he should not be taken so lightly. My underrated vote goes to KAMEK.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Uh oh...THIS topic. I have a controversial opinion or two(as per usual) on this-

Picking on King K. Rool, my most wanted newcomer? You have guts, son. ...I agree. He's massively overrated in my opinion

What a relief. I was going to say it too;

Most overrated: King K. Rool.
I feel like a lot of people are putting too much stock into King K. Rool. I'm sure he'd be unique and different and a good newcomer, but at 68.28% chance that's awfully high for a character who has been suspiciously absent from the main DK games for 15 years and replaced by (admittedly inferior) enemies.
I feel like really before K. Rool should get in Smash, he should try and get back in the DK series and that his chance rating has been badly affected by people's want rating. Should K. Rool not get in it's going to devastate a lot of Smashboards members who see him as only less likely than Mewtwo.

Personally I see him as a coin flip; if Sakurai picks a DK candidate for the fans; we'll get King K. Rool; he is undeniably popular. If Nintendo has any say; we'll get Dixie(or maybe Cranky, but he's considerably less likely), because she's been reinstated as a staple of the new DK games and thus works as promotional material.

Runners up: Bandana Dee. I love the guy, but come on; 38.06% chance is probably a little too high and Takamaru at 49.67% chance? Basically a 50/50 chance of all the retros? Yeesh. Considering how many retros there are that could be viable that seems high. Too high.

Plasm Wraith and Geno still seem too high to me despite them both having very low scores too.

Most underrated: Andy.
By far the most underrated character. If Wars gets a rep, it'll be this dude. At 9.60% this seems a little low, considering the Wars series is a rather big IP currently without any playable representation. He's unlikely, yes...but that he's LESS likely than another Pokemon Trainer or Daitoryo is frankly stunning, especially when you consider he's the front man of the Wars franchise.

Runners up: Captain Rainbow. Seeing as how he's quite a popular suggestion in Japan I'd give him slightly higher chances than 4.45%. Maybe triple that score up and it's closer to what I actually think he deserves.

Opposing my good friend Louie G. for a moment; I also say Roy is slightly underrated at 38.44%. Yes, that's right. Underrated(...slightly, like by 5%).
One of the few complaints from Japan about Brawl was the removal of both Mewtwo and Roy. Roy is also highly wanted in popularity polls, especially in Japan where he seems to regularly place just behind Mewtwo, the number one most wanted character for SSB4, and one of the characters they genuinely want. Dr. Mario, Pichu and Young Link don't have such lofty positions in polls.

K. Rool is (currently) no longer relevant to the DK series, and like Roy all he has on his side is huge popularity amongst the fans. Yet one stands at 38.44% and the other at 68.28% chance. Roy has competition in Chrom and Lucina, yes, but it's not like K. Rool is the standalone choice for DK with two popular Kongs standing in his way, one of which is the original DK and a darkhorse fan favourite and the other is a three times heroine, one of the most popular heroines in video games this side of Samus and is the fan favourite Kong in Tropical Freeze.

Should DLC characters become a thing though Roy will be INCREDIBLY underrated as his Melee vet status and general popularity will boost his chance scores dramatically to the point he is amongst the most likely inclusions. A Melee pack seems like an obvious if we get DLC characters due to the general dislike of cuts.

 

[Louie G.]

@ YoshiandToad
Let's have a little civilized debate, shall we?
While K. Rool hasn't been in a DK game for a while, that doesn't detract from the fact that he is the main villain of the franchise, a role that can't be taken from him unless the Tikis or the Snowmads start to appear regularly.
Roy, on the other hand, is a character that starred in ONE Fire Emblem game, a series where the protagonists change with every game. Roy may be popular, but I think Sakurai has a lot of Fire Emblem knowledge and will choose a more important and relevant character (Chrom or Lucina, probably. You may argue that they are one-shots too, but they've already appeared as Monster Hunter skins and Awakening is in fact the more successful and important FE game in the series).

 

[Deleted member]

Runners up: Captain Rainbow. Seeing as how he's quite a popular suggestion in Japan I'd give him slightly higher chances than 4.45%. Maybe triple that score up and it's closer to what I actually think he deserves.

His current chance is 11.24% and his want is 48.65% after his re-rate.
I don't think that he's overrated or underrated. His scores are rather fine for what they are.

 

[Pacack]

There are more than a few overrated characters, but the most offensive one is definitely Shulk. He's a viable candidate for sure, but he's not worthy of the title of fourth most likely newcomer.

And I'll nominate Kamek for most underrated newcomer. He's definitely higher than we've rated him. Honorable mention goes to Mona.

 

[YoshiandToad]

His current chance is 11.24% and his want is 48.65% after his re-rate.
I don't think that he's overrated or underrated. His scores are rather fine for what they are.

Whoops; went by the scores andimidna posted. Ignore my Captain Rainbow piece then, that's around where I'd expect him to be.

@ YoshiandToad
Let's have a little civilized debate, shall we?
While K. Rool hasn't been in a DK game for a while, that doesn't detract from the fact that he is the main villain of the franchise, a role that can't be taken from him unless the Tikis or the Snowmads start to appear regularly.
Roy, on the other hand, is a character that starred in ONE Fire Emblem game, a series where the protagonists change with every game. Roy may be popular, but I think Sakurai has a lot of Fire Emblem knowledge and will choose a more important and relevant character (Chrom or Lucina, probably. You may argue that they are one-shots too, but they've already appeared as Monster Hunter skins and Awakening is in fact the more successful and important FE game in the series).

Hmm... okay I'll try and explain, despite knowing I'm in the minority on this.

Yes I do see your point on K. Rool's overall importance(I'm not insane, no really), but all he really has at current IS popularity and it's too early to tell if the Snowmads will be reoccurring or not, although the Tikis can probably be struck off as one offs. Perhaps we'll never have any reoccurring villains in the Retro Studios Donkey Kong Country but at this point all we know is K. Rool isn't included in this reboot. Outside a rock formation I mean.

If Groose's(and I think Erimir said this too, but don't quote me on this) theory of characters being used as promotional tools then K. Rool is currently not capable of doing so. Far from it. In that case Dixie is a superior advertisement choice. K. Rool would obviously be superior in terms of ability to be unique.

Roy likewise does only have popularity going for him too, and is currently almost entirely useless for promotion. Also similar to K. Rool, and despite his Melee clone status, Roy is superior in terms of ability to be unique purely because his Sword of Seals has different properties to the Falchion.

My point is the two(Roy and K. Rool) are rather comparable, yet the scores between them are incredibly vast.
I have no doubt in my mind if it comes down to picking between Chrom or Roy, the former will be used because of promotion. Yet it boggles that exact same mind that the exact opposite criteria seems to be accepted as the obvious choice for DK with many thinking K. Rool will be obviously picked over Dixie Kong.

I don't get the Smashboards logic I guess.