Rate Their Chances Returns! Day 194: "Predicting the Direct"

[Xenigma]

You don't know if Meowth would be uninteresting because we never got the opportunity to see how unique a playable Meowth would be... people used to think that Animal Crossing characters cannot fight because they are too peaceful... many people didn't think Rosalina would be anything more than a Peach clone... and many detractors said Little Mac cannot be unique because all he does is punch... why judge characters on the surface when they got hidden depths...

Anyone could have an interesting moveset made for Smash with enough effort. That's pretty obvious based on looking at all the random support threads on this forum. No doubt, given proper effort, Meowth could be given a perfectly good moveset. That doesn't mean I have to be happy that he got in and got that effort over his competition.

By comparison, Villager and Little Mac are both the protagonists of their respective franchises, both of which were deserving of a spot in Smash. Rosalina had notable competition with the Mario franchise, but she was still very popular, relevant, and had a unique celestial power set to work with. Meowth is from a franchise that's stuffed full of popular characters that are actively depicted as being far better fighters; why should I be happy settling for him when I could have any of them?

 

[Arcadenik]

You know... Mewtwo was depicted as the best Pokemon ever in 2001... he sucked horribly in Melee. Jigglypuff is a weak Pokemon in the games... it is a top tier fighter in Melee. So, I wouldn't put much stock in how good fighters characters were depicted in their games...

 

[Pacack]

Meowth:

Chance: 15%
The darkhorse candidate. If Ivysaur and Squirtle are cut, he could very well make it in alongside Mewtwo. It's just not the likeliest thing in the world.

Want: 70%
I'd welcome him with open arms. Like Toad, he's one of the most iconic Nintendo characters to not appear in Smash in a playable form which has low chance.

Isa:

Chance: 2%
Saki or bust.

Want: Abstain.

Prediction:

Mii: 77%
Zael: 1%?

Nominations: x5 Non-Character Hanafuda Representation

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Isa - 1%

Taking a guess from my limited knowledge of this series.

Want - 0%

Don't know enough to care about this character.


Meowth - 1%

Iconic and popular in the anime, but in the games? Not at all. Jigglypuff was also popular due to the anime at the time of the first Smash and ultimately she made it in over Meowth. Meowth is only important in the anime, and is popular because of the anime. It's fine that people like and want Meowth, but Meowth is no Nintendo All-Star.

It's popularity is all that it has to hang onto at this point really, and while Pokemon are chosen based on their current popularity, there are many Pokemon that are more popular than it or at least around it's level of popularity. There's Blaziken, Zoroark, Genesect, and most notably, Mewtwo, who is practically a lock at this point, not to mention the other Pokemon veterans (aside from Pichu) all have a lot going for them as well. Pokemon Trainer has the ever popular Charizard plus Ivysaur and Squirtle, the original starters each in different evolutions all in one. Jigglypuff, while being low priority in Brawl, still has it's importance to Smash as a whole, being one of the original 12 and all. She was also recently promoted as a Fairy-type in X/Y, although I don't think this helps her much.

A Pokemon newcomer would be 6 Pokemon characters (technically) and that seems VERY unlikely at this point. I highly doubt Meowth would be the newcomer Sakurai would go for at this point, if he was looking for a Pokemon newcomer at all. I'm sure Sakurai realizes his prominence in the anime, but Meowth had his prime during the original anime, as did Jigglypuff, who got in instead.

Want - 50%

Nevertheless Meowth has potential, he isn't a character I would be upset with, but he isn't someone I really want either. I'm indifferent to his inclusion.


Zael Prediction - 1.77%

Mii Prediction - 70.16%

2 DK newcomers x5

 

[andimidna]

Meowth:
Well, I'd rank Pokemon like so...
1. Pikachu (confirmed) 100%
2. Charizard 98%
3. Mewtwo 99.5%
4. Red 93%
5. Jigglypuff 99%
6. Lucario (confirmed) 100%
7. Squirtle 95%
8. Ivysaur 95%
9. Zoroark 26.5%
10. Genesect 24%
11. Blaziken 20%
12. Eevee 16%
13. Meowth 15.5%
14. Greninja 14%
15. Gardevoir 13%
16. Victini 12%
17. Delphox/Braixen 10%
18. Meloetta 9%
19. Deoxys 8%
20. Chesnaught/Chespin 10%
21. Plusle & Minun 11%
22. Pichu 14%
23. Gengar 3%
24. Mew 4%
25. Diancie 1%
and then the possibility of a 2nd trainer coming right after... I guess that'd be #26
I hope I didn't forget anybody...

I put Meowth at #13...
It appears Zoroark is very requested in Japan, and is even the most requested Pokemon Newcomer in the west (Mewtwo isn't 100% newcomer)... so he'd be next. Next most popular, got a movie... yea.
Genesect just got a movie where it's basically Mewtwo vs Genesect, and with Mewtwo being a shoo-in, many could want to reenact this battle in Smash, movies alone are a reason to consider a Pokemon.
Blaziken was among the first 6 to get a confirmed mega evolution. Mewtwo is a shoo-in, Lucario is confirmed, and Ampharos, Mawile, and Absol don't seem like characters to legitimately consider. I guess you could pretend I put them at #27-29. I think that leaves Blaziken right in the middle, as he's still very popular and gen 3 has nothing
Eevee, a pokemon that will never lose it's relevance. If added, next Smash it could have different forms and moves from the newest games, and so on. It's the only Pokemon I can think of that has forms in 4 gens and doesn't look to be stopping.
Then, Meowth. Considered for the first SSB. A character that I could only see getting in if Jigglypuff was removed, which I don't think will happen.
Not going to justify the rest.
Chance: 15.5% is what the chart says, but that's just the actual Pokemon. But in reality, a 6th Pokemon slot is not likely, as a 6th Mario slot is most likely not going to happen, and even if it did, still no. So I have to -10% for that.
In the end, that's 5.5%

Want:
Pokemon Newcomer wants:
1. Gardevoir 100%
2. Delphox 99%
3. Eevee 95%
4. Diancie 90%
5. Meloetta 90%
6. Zoroark 85.5%
7. Genesect 80%
8. Meowstic/Espurr 65%
9. Blaziken 55%
10. Deoxys 50%
11. May 40%
12. Serena 40%
13. Greninja 25.5%
14. Gengar 20%
15. Mew 15%
16. Jynx 10.5%
17. Suicine 10%
18. Mudkip 5%
19. Meowth 4.5%
20. Hawlucha 3%
21. Grovyle 3%
22. Venusaur 3%
23. Blastoise 3%
24. Chesnaught 3%
25. Plusle & Minun 3%

4.5% I guess...

Isa:
Want: 40% Sure, gimme. I don't care if it's Saki or Isa... same thing to me
Chance: 10%
I'd put Saki at both 40%

Mii prediction: 35.5%
I'm going lower than most.
I don't think a leak that was deconfirmed the day after it was posted gives the miis any credit.
With Villager here already, Pokemon Trainer returning, and even Wii Fit Trainer... wouldn't that be too many avatar characters. This is also why I stopped advocating for Robin.

Zael prediction: 8%

Diancie x5

 

[Chandeelure]

Eevee has like 0,1% chances and using Eeveelutions in its moveset makes no sense.

 

[andimidna]

Eevee has like 0,1% chances and using Eeveelutions in its moveset makes no sense.

Just like 3 Pokemon together controlled by one trainer swapping with their down B makes no sense?
Got it.

Subtracting 10% for a 6th Pokemon rep being unrealistic, I'd give Eevee a 6%

 

[Cheezey Bites]

Isa Jo:

Chace: 2%
A little higher than most, while I think Saki has the greater chance Isa'a Jet pack and himbeing the ore liekly protagonist of the potential (if sadly unlikely) future for the series both help him stand out.

Want: 80%
I previously wanted him more than Saki... this has changed. The jet pack would still be more interesting imho, but Saki just has a cooler design, and is acrobatic enough anyways. I'd still be damn hyped by S&P getting a rep mind you, even Kachi.



Meowth: 0.1%
No-hope Pokémon are the most fun things to rate! He missed the boat back in 64/melee, the anime isn't as important now, and the games have more plot... none of which involved our favorite scratch cat.

Want: 25%
He deserves it for the anime, and could be cool... but I'd be pretty indifferent.



Mii: 74%
Everyone expect them...

Zael: 3.6%
Everyone expects Shulk... But I think he'll do better than Aeron because more people seem to have played his game.



Fatal Frame *10
(Two days in a row man!)

 

[YoshiandToad]

I see some very low scores in terms of want here. You damn fools. There is no greater force on this planet than money.

Meowth IS money.

Wait, couldn't he technically cheat at coin battles?!?

MEOWTH: DAT'S RIGHT *******.
Chance: 4%
Alright let's not beat around the bush here; A sixth Pokemon character is unlikely. A newcomer is even unlikelier.
But to say the anime has no influence is the biggest load of BS I have ever heard. Leaving aside the obvious anime inspired voices like Pikachu and Puff's, the fact Lucario freaking TALKS yelling "IT'S OVER" and "WITNESS THE POWER OF AURA" proves this a logical fallacy and that he is pretty much based on the one from that one movie(aka the only damn one that talks);

Now we've got that out the way, Meowth is still unfortunately unlikely because everyone on the planet wants Brawl + Mewtwo with the latter part the most requested character this time round, even beating out the already confirmed Megaman and Little Mac.

Regardless of whether Gamefreak have 'moved on' or not, it's undeniable that they are still using the anime to advertise their games, and one of the few consistent Pokemon throughout the years has been Meowth. That alone will make his face be more familiar than the vast majority of forgettable flash in the pan Pokemon introduced in new gens. Gamefreak may not realize it, but Meowth is one of their most popular characters simply by osmosis of the anime, a series that's been running so long every single person here has probably grown up with at least one season of it.

Want: 100%
The most deserving Pokemon of all time not currently in a Smash game. A face of the series, a staple of the show, the original king of the Star KO(a now staple of Smash).
Personally I want the scratch cat far more than I want Mewtwo. Yes I know I'm in the minority here but...A speedy prankster style fighter with an emphasis on throwing money at people like they're peasants? Yeah I want that over a legendary embryo who couldn't even duck under a projectile correctly in Melee. Yeah that's right, I'm predicting if Meowth got into Smash he'd suck less than Mewtwo did in Melee. Search your feelings; you know he was terrible.

I wanna feel like a freaking pimp chucking shards of cash into my opponents face to finish them off, and for that, alongside the fact he is simply one of the most recognised Pokemon ever Meowth gets my 100% approval rating above any and all other Pokemon. Even my favourite in Alakazam, one who DID get a Mega form and thus '6th gen relevance', and being one of the most popular Pokemon in the world doesn't deserve a position in Smash before this little rich feline.

now for the one I was meant to rate first...

Isa Jo:
Chance: 15%
Working in this guys favour; Wii titles are more relevant to Smash 4 than previous gen titles, and his predecessor only appeared in one game. Against him is Saki being more well known, and that even then Sin and Punishment is a pretty niche series.

Want: 5%
Honestly I'd prefer Saki. Smash fans are just more familiar with Saki than Isa Jo, and familiarity is what I'm striving for. When I think of a Smash All Star game, I imagine many will want someone they're at least vaguely familiar with.

Predictions:
Mii: 80%
Wii know wii can't escape the Mii.

Zael: 2.6%
Meanwhile I'll be stunned if Zael gets in.

Nominations:

The extra nominations today go to @ YoshiandToad

WHOA. I won again? Why do I only ever win on the day of the character I've been nominating?

Hmmm...
5 X Bowser's Castle and...

5 X One of RTC Top 10 in chance being an AT.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Isa Chances: 5%. Where to begin? S+P isn't likely to get a character, plus, Saki exists.
Want: 10%. They jetpack is the only thing interesting me.
Meowth Chances: 30%. Aside from Mewtwo, he has to deal with Zoroark and Genesect. That aside, he is an All-Star (whether people are willing to except it or not.) Heck, he's more of an All-Star than Jiggz or PT. Even casuals know this dude.
Want: 100%. Aside from Zoroark and Heracross, he's the only Pokémon newcomer I'd really be pumped to see.
Mii: 80%.
Zael: 5%.
Dedede Arena stage X2
Leif X3

 

[Glaciacott]

But to say the anime has no influence is the biggest load of BS I have ever heard.

Just wanted to point out that from what I could see no one is actually saying this. The argument is that importance in the anime alone shouldn't be enough to earn him a spot in the roster. Something supported by the current Pokemon roster in that all of them, Pichu aside, have importance in both anima and games.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Isa Jo Chance: 13% Some people are really lowering down his chances. I think he'll be the S&P protagonist chosen if we ever get a character from that series, he better represents the series as a whole than Saki IMO.
Isa Jo Want: 75% Yes please.
Meowth Chance: 10%
Meowth Want: 65% If he takes the anime Meowth approach, yes please.
Mii Prediction: 76% I see lots of much bias when it comes to the Miis. And in the end bias will incorrectly throw off the Mii's actual chances.
Nominations:
x5 Alph, Brittany Charlie

 

[Arcadenik]

Just wanted to point out that from what I could see no one is actually saying this. The argument is that importance in the anime alone shouldn't be enough to earn him a spot in the roster. Something supported by the current Pokemon roster in that all of them, Pichu aside, have importance in both anima and games.

Jigglypuff isn't important in the anime... not for the last 10 or so years... and it's not important in the games besides Pokemon Conquest... just because it got a new fairy type doesn't mean it is being promoted.... It is not like all old Pokemon that got the fairy types were being promoted... if there is one Pokemon that is being promoted for being fairy type, look no further than Sylveon.

 

[Deleted member]

Meowth:

15% Chance: His best shot was for SSB64, and I rue the day that Jigglypuff got in because she's an easy clone of Kirby's mechanics. Now, his chances are not that bad compared to most Pokemon riding along in the single digits, if you don't take relevancy as that hugely important. Meowth is one of the most well-known Pokemon from both the anime and in the games and one of the most popular. His role in the anime mostly is the reason for that, but unlike Jigglypuff who isn't around anymore, Meowth continues to feature in the anime to this day.

What is bad for the character is fairly obvious. His competition is huge, his potential for a moveset is not great and while he's very popular, Pokemon has a thousand viable characters. If you include all the various combinations of trainers and individual, moderately liked Pokemon, you'd still come out in the hundreds. Nonetheless, I'd say Meowth is in the top percentage of Pokemon.

100% Want: My favorite Pokemon since I can remember, probably forever. I don't know why, I imagine just because I love cats and as a kid this was the nearest thing to a cutesy cat, but that anime Meowth basically cemented it in place as my all-time favorite. The moveset could be fun to play if nothing else, as Meowth is a scrappy, cowardly fighter. It'd be simplistic, but you could build a fun set from that.

To be honest everything pales in comparison when it comes to Pokemon reps. If it's not Meowth I'm generally not too bothered about what else is there to fill the spots. Aside from a poison-type, which is 0% likely to happen, Meowth is the only Pokemon rep that would get me very excited for the game on just that newcomer alone.

I'll hold off on rating Isa Jo as I have no clue about S&P.

Mii Prediction: 77.7%
You've met with a terrible fate, haven't you?
Zael Prediction: 0.4%
Shulk exists.

Arino (Retro Game Master) x5

 

[YoshiandToad]

Just wanted to point out that from what I could see no one is actually saying this. The argument is that importance in the anime alone shouldn't be enough to earn him a spot in the roster. Something supported by the current Pokemon roster in that all of them, Pichu aside, have importance in both anima and games.

I get Pikachu, Lucario, Mewtwo and Pokemon Trainer's importance in both the anime and games but what's Jigglypuff's game importance again? Here's what I've got for the others that have appeared in Smash and even Pichu seems to have more importance than Jigglypuff;

Spoiler

Anime importance:
Pikachu: Main Pokemon protagonist
Pokemon Trainer: Pokemon Origin recently. Arguably Ash could be classified as his anime equivalent.
Charizard: Ash's most powerful Pokemon/the most popular Pokemon on the planet.
Squirtle: Popular water starter Ash had. May also had one.
Ivysaur: Errr....pass. She's just in Smash to bridge the gap of the Kanto starters if we're honest anyway.
Lucario: That movie.
Mewtwo: That other movie.
Jigglypuff: Followed Ash around up to Johto arc, aka Season 3(which ended 13 years ago)
Pichu: That Pichu Bros. thing.

Game importance:
Pikachu: Star of Pokemon Yellow(although that's based on the anime). Only Pokemon to get it's anime voice in game. Only Pokemon that can be stronger than it's evolution via use of a trademark item.
Pokemon Trainer: Aka; the player. In all games.
Charizard: Only one of two Pokemon to get TWO Mega forms. Fully evolved version of one of the famous Kanto Starters.
Squirtle: Famous Kanto Starter.
Ivysaur: An awkward filler, but part of one of the famous Kanto Starters.
Lucario: Was the first Mega backstory. Appeared in anime like cutscene for BW2.
Mewtwo: The other one of two Pokemon to get TWO Mega forms. First Pokemon to get a creation story in game. First ultimate Pokemon.
Jigglypuff: ...in the main Pokemon games, nothing.
Pichu: The infamous Notch Eared Pichu of HeartGold and SoulSilver.

 

[FalKoopa]

Isa Jo:
Likelihood: 2%
I'm not sure how likely he is. He got a game on the Wii, but his father has got more exposure and support due to him appearing as an AT. So, I kinda just threw a number from my gut.

Want: 10%
Eh.

Meowth! यही है सच्चाई! [The Hindi version of his quote]
Likelihood: 10%
To be honest, he's not far down the line of important pokémon, but his biggest problem is that he gets overshadowed all the time by those appearing in the movies. It's quite a misfortune.

Want: 59%
In all honesty, I wouldn't mind him. He's quite deserving.

Mii prediction: 80%
Zael prediction: 3%

Bowser's castle x 5

 

[Glaciacott]

Jigglypuff isn't important in the anime... not for the last 10 or so years... and it's not important in the games besides Pokemon Conquest... just because it got a new fairy type doesn't mean it is being promoted.... It is not like all old Pokemon that got the fairy types were being promoted... if there is one Pokemon that is being promoted for being fairy type, look no further than Sylveon.

I get Pikachu, Lucario, Mewtwo and Pokemon Trainer's importance in both the anime and games but what's Jigglypuff's game importance again? Here's what I've got for the others that have appeared in Smash and even Pichu seems to have more importance than Jigglypuff;

Spoiler

Anime importance:
Pikachu: Main Pokemon protagonist
Pokemon Trainer: Pokemon Origin recently. Arguably Ash could be classified as his anime equivalent.
Charizard: Ash's most powerful Pokemon/the most popular Pokemon on the planet.
Squirtle: Popular water starter Ash had. May also had one.
Ivysaur: Errr....pass. She's just in Smash to bridge the gap of the Kanto starters if we're honest anyway.
Lucario: That movie.
Mewtwo: That other movie.
Jigglypuff: Followed Ash around up to Johto arc, aka Season 3(which ended 13 years ago)
Pichu: That Pichu Bros. thing.

Game importance:
Pikachu: Star of Pokemon Yellow(although that's based on the anime). Only Pokemon to get it's anime voice in game. Only Pokemon that can be stronger than it's evolution via use of a trademark item.
Pokemon Trainer: Aka; the player. In all games.
Charizard: Only one of two Pokemon to get TWO Mega forms. Fully evolved version of one of the famous Kanto Starters.
Squirtle: Famous Kanto Starter.
Ivysaur: An awkward filler, but part of one of the famous Kanto Starters.
Lucario: Was the first Mega backstory. Appeared in anime like cutscene for BW2.
Mewtwo: The other one of two Pokemon to get TWO Mega forms. First Pokemon to get a creation story in game. First ultimate Pokemon.
Jigglypuff: ...in the main Pokemon games, nothing.
Pichu: The infamous Notch Eared Pichu of HeartGold and SoulSilver.

I should have been clearer and specified more importance. So while Jigglypuff hasn't exactly been the protagonist in the games, it still has gotten considerably more attention than Meowth. Gen II gave Jigglypuff a pre-evolution, just like Pikachu, and Gen VI gave it a new typing, while the Meowth line has gotten absolutely nothing and wasn't even mentioned or included in X and Y. And of course, I'm ignoring Conquest, but that's a good one to mention! Jigglypuff and Eevee had pretty much a constant role with the protagonist characters ... goes to show gamefreak still cares about Jigglypuff. Where was Meowth?
So yea, not the most important pokemon, but comparatively she's still more deserving than Meowth if we focus on games alone. Anime alone, sure, Meowth has more significance, but I stand by the argument that a pokemon newcomer shouldn't be decided based on anime prevalence alone.

I'm getting repetitive, I feel like I said almost all of this already in my rating.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Jigglypuff's got nothing in the main games. Even Meowth had a reoccurring battle in Yellow.

If we go side games she has Pokemon Conquest in her favour(although Meowth was an obtainable Pokemon for the record); but Meowth's a playable Pokemon starter in Mystery Dungeon Red, Blue, Time, Darkness and a selectable playable in the WiiWare Light Adventure Squad. Whilst no longer a playable in Explorers of Sky, he was still a selectable partner Pokemon. He also has a more prominent role in the Pikachu's Adventure games as the shopkeep or in Pokemon Channel as a roving reporter, so he'd still trump her there.

Likewise Meowth has been distributed by Gamefreak a few times as an Event Pokemon; a total of five different Meowth's have been event Pokemon for the Japanese with the latest being a BW2 event Pokemon only last year. Puff on the other hand has 0 events to her name.

Meowth's just more deserving than Puff. It's a fact. Eevee on the other hand is a different matter, but that's a huge minefield now with so many forms.

 

[Xenigma]

Jigglypuff is a very unusual case because she got in in the original Smash. I'm not sure why she got in over Charizard, Mewtwo, even Meowth (I guess because she's Kirby-esque and was popular in the anime at the time), but for whatever reason she got in and has managed to stay in. At this point she's part of the original 12, making her a Smash staple: as odd as her addition originally was, cutting her now would be a mistake.

Meowth is only really comparable because he was also notable in the anime (and is still notable in the anime) and unimportant within the main Pokemon games. However, while Jigglypuff made that unlikely leap to Smash 15 years ago, Meowth did not, instead appearing as a Pokeball Pokemon and since then has reappeared as a Pokeball summon and never as a playable character. Meanwhile, as Jigglypuff has cemented her playable status in Smash, Meowth has just gained more and more competition as more and more notable Pokemon have arisen, while Meowth has failed to gain any extra popularity or importance that might give him an edge. It doesn't matter if Jigglypuff seems less deserving, she's become more deserving thanks to Smash and Meowth looks more and more like he simply missed his chance with each passing Smash.

You know... Mewtwo was depicted as the best Pokemon ever in 2001... he sucked horribly in Melee. Jigglypuff is a weak Pokemon in the games... it is a top tier fighter in Melee. So, I wouldn't put much stock in how good fighters characters were depicted in their games...

I don't support characters based on how strong they might be in Smash, nor should anyone since that's inherently unpredictable. I support characters because I think they'll be interesting characters, and I don't think Meowth is an interesting character, at least not compared to his competition within the Pokemon series.

 

[Glaciacott]

Are we talking about desert in Smash overall, or Smash 4? Because here I thought we were talking about Smash 4 and there's no way Meowth deserves the spot more than returning veteran Jigglypuff. And even if you think otherwise, it's childish to state your view as fact after three installments of Jigglypuff being in the series.

I could go on to argue about how you can make a bunch of different tallies to determine whether Jiggly or Meowth has more of Gamefreak's attention, but really, it's soooo pointless and this is not the place. My apologies Groose, I'll drop it here.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Are we talking about desert in Smash overall, or Smash 4? Because here I thought we were talking about Smash 4 and there's no way Meowth deserves the spot more than returning veteran Jigglypuff. And even if you think otherwise, it's childish to state your view as fact after three installments of Jigglypuff being in the series.

I could go on to argue about how you can make a bunch of different tallies to determine whether Jiggly or Meowth has more of Gamefreak's attention, but really, it's soooo pointless and this is not the place. My apologies Groose, I'll drop it here.

See I thought I was merely arguing that Meowth hasn't been ignored completely by Gamefreak which is what you previously seemed to be stating and that overall looking at the two Pokemon's lists of achievements, Meowth's got a better resume from the game series, but I suppose you're right. This isn't the place for that.

Don't call others childish though. That's just gonna fan the flames further.

 

[Deleted member]

I read somewhere the reasoning for Jigglypuff was that her model and the way she fights is a basic clone of Kirby's in 64. She wasn't the planned second Pokemon rep from the start, but the game went through a rush to release, like Melee. It originally was meant to have King Dedede and Wario.

Come to think of it, I wonder if Jigglypuff used any of the mechanics planned for King Dedede's movement, only on a lighter weight character.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I'd bet Jigglypuff was chosen for a similar reason to Luigi. Luigi was easy clone material, and Jigglypuff had a simple body, similar to that of Kirby's. (though her specials are completely different from Kirby's, they're also rather simple ones) so she might've been chosen due to technical as well as time related issues. Both Jiggs and Meowth were popular in the anime at the time, but Jiggs was the easier character to create. Though there is no way to be certain, this seems like the most likely case to me. I do think Meowth was at least considered at some point at the time of the first Smash's development, but there still isn't any way to be certain.

 

[Spears In Smash Bros.]

Isa Jo: 0.01%
Isa No.

Want: 0.25%
I'd have to play Sin and Punishment.

Meowth: 0.3%
This isn't the anime. Pokemon Trainer looks nothing like Ash. Team Rocket grunts in the Pokemon games rarely even use Meowth.

Want: 1%
There's too many superior Pokemon that could become reps instead.

Zael prediction: 0.68%
Mii prediction: 52.33%

Nominate:
Alph x1
Akari Hayami x4

 

[Arcadenik]

I should have been clearer and specified more importance. So while Jigglypuff hasn't exactly been the protagonist in the games, it still has gotten considerably more attention than Meowth. Gen II gave Jigglypuff a pre-evolution, just like Pikachu, and Gen VI gave it a new typing, while the Meowth line has gotten absolutely nothing and wasn't even mentioned or included in X and Y. And of course, I'm ignoring Conquest, but that's a good one to mention! Jigglypuff and Eevee had pretty much a constant role with the protagonist characters ... goes to show gamefreak still cares about Jigglypuff. Where was Meowth?
So yea, not the most important pokemon, but comparatively she's still more deserving than Meowth if we focus on games alone. Anime alone, sure, Meowth has more significance, but I stand by the argument that a pokemon newcomer shouldn't be decided based on anime prevalence alone.

I'm getting repetitive, I feel like I said almost all of this already in my rating.

I like how you did not acknowledge that Team Rocket Meowth was a distributed Event Pokemon in recent games.

 

[Gunla]

Abstaining from Isa Jo to get my point across. Want is 00.00% because I prefer Saki.

Meowth- Anime.
Pros
+Iconic character in the anime
+Well known Pokemon
Cons
-Okay, seriously, Here we go. Meowth is not going to be playable above Mewtwo. You can find my logic bullet (One of the biggest posts in the thread, by words) about him and how he is practically confirmed. Now, given we aren't getting cuts, which are NOT likely:
-Jigglypuff: Too many good factors. Being in the game for 15 years and always remaining unlockable like Luigi helps you. And getting the new type is pretty good.
-Pokemon Trainer: Ignore the time investment, okay? Because as much as none of us want to admit it, PT is a very unique mechanic. Sure, it sucked in execution, but no doubt Sakurai will work with it. It's the most unique newcomer from Brawl, easily, and uniqueness is very key in this game to staying. No contest.
=Now, continuing on, the issue is that we aren't getting 6 slots of Pokemon characters. If anything is getting that title, it's Mario. Nothing else, as Mario is the most iconic, godlike, wide-reaching series Nintendo has.
-No promotion for Meowth has been seen as of late. He's in far less games than the other Pokemon characters.
-Every other veteran from Brawl has gotten coverage in Gen VI. Pikachu is always there, Lucario and Mewtwo got Megas, Kanto Starters got Megas, Jiggs got a Fairy Type. Meowth got nothing.
-The anime is clearly not being followed in exclusitivity, otherwise we would have got Pachi-whatever in Brawl, and Meowth in Melee. The fact that Meowth is a star in the anime has little warrant to Sakurai when he looks at a larger scale.
-Was not in X & Y. And because this is Game Freak, this matters.
-Does he really have that much of a good move potential?
Overall... we're not getting 6 slots, and it's fairly obvious that there's much better options and Mewtwo, which means Meowth is nothing.

OVERALL RATING: 00.01%
Want: 00.00%- I don't like Meowth, nor him over Mewtwo.

Predictions
Zael- Super Meh- 1.3%
Mii- &%$*&%&*$&**&%&*&*$&*&%*-60% because people get themselves hyped up over a leak that was disproved already. Bah.

Nominations
Shulk X5

I like how you did not acknowledge that Team Rocket Meowth was a distributed Event Pokemon in recent games.

In 2012 a Japan exclusive event based on the Cartoon Meowth. That's a while ago.

 

[OcarinaOfDoom]

Isa: 1%
Want: 0%
Meowth: 3%
Want: 0%
Zael: 1.45%
Mii: 50%
Omastar 5

 

[Rockaphin]

Isa Jo:
Can't rate

Meowth:
Chance: 4.5%
Want: 1%
There are a lot of other Pokemanz I'd rather see than Meowth. I was never a big fan of Meowth :3

Predictions:
Zael 1.9%
Mii 90.1%

Nomination:
Paper Mario Stage x5

 

[Starcutter]

Isa joke: 3%
Want: 5% rather Saki. because I DONT KNOW

MEEEEOWTH: 5%
Want: 6% Rather have HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWLUUUUUUUUCHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA as a 6th character

Zael: 1.6%
Mii: 47.6%

Noms:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWLUUUUUUUUCHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA x5

(Hawlucha)

 

[Aqua Rock X]

ISA JO

Chance: .5% - If Saki's chances don't look good, then neither does Isa's

Want: 0% - Meh.

MEOWTH

Chance: 5% - I somehow doubt it.

Want: 0% - I'm good on Pokemon.

Zael Prediction: 2% - ???

Mii Prediction: 40% - The roster leak believers will put on quite the show tomorrow.

Nomination:
Other M Ridley x5

 

[NickerBocker]

Isa
Chance: 0.666%
Want: 0%

Any chance he may have gets destroyed by Saki merely being in Brawl. Any want I may have gets destroyed by Saki being in Brawl.

Meowth
Chance: 10%
Want: 70%

He was considered for SSB64, which does have some weight considering Sakurai has done all the previous characters he wanted to put in 64. But that is about it, I guess he is important in the Anime, but whether or not that means something for Smash, I cannot say. However, i firmly believe it does. Consider how Pokemon was originally created; they had the anime, the game, the trading cards, and the manga. It was intended for children of all preferences. If you liked video games, you probably had the gameboy game. If you watched cartoons, you probably watched the show, and so on. Of course, you could prefer more than one medium. It was intended to grab the attention of all children, and even if they didn't like the same forms of entertainment, they could still relate and talk about Pokemon with someone who had never used the same medium as you. What is this all getting to?

Well, my friends, its popularity. Pokemon is what it is today because of this business motto. Meowth isn't popular only because of the Anime, but it does help support the fact that he is popular. People are trying to distinguish between them, when in reality, they were conceived all at the same time.

Zael: 0.02%
Mii: 56%

Nominations:
Balloon Fighter x5

@ Toxicroaker ask and you shall receive.

 

[Toxicroaker]

Nominations:
Balloon Fighter x5

@ Toxicroaker ask and you shall receive.

Yay! Thank you.

 

[colder_than_ice]

I have to ask, is Saki's appearance as an assist trophy the only reason everyone thinks he destroys Isa's chances? It doesn't matter how many copies Brawl sold, having a 1 in 27 chance of popping out of a specific item out of 50+ other items only to move around the stage for 20 seconds then disappear hardly counts as publicity. I personally feel that you are all over thinking it's importance.

 

[Depressed Gengar]

Mii is REALLY going to be controversial, that's for sure.
Oh, and @ colder_than_ice IMO Isa's chances are low because Saki is more important and popular than Jo. Being an AT in Brawl doesn't help much.

 

[Gunla]

Mii is REALLY going to be controversial, that's for sure.

I'm already preparing my rating already.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

isa - 0.1%
not getting in before saki, the end
want - 0%
saki
meowth - 1.50%
he's the Pokémon dark horse character, that might mean more, but seeing how mewtwo has high chance to get in, with no Pokémon characters getting cut, makes him an almost impossible 6th spot, basically his only chance is if they do not add mewtwo, horribly unlikely because i'm pretty sure Nintendo doesn't want the backlash of adding meowth over mewtwo
want - 35%
eh the anime was good, kind of of passed, but his prime was in the good parts of the anime, though I do not want him over other pokemon reps, and especially any pokemon veterans, sorry pal, your time has passed
zeal, 0.03
all impossible characters reach here, might as well see if it happens again
mii - 55.87%
going to hit the halfway mark, not much farther than that though
nominations:

x5 Balloon Fighter (I will say this as subtly as possible) HELP ME NOMINATE HIM I think that was subtle enough

eh sure, I've got no use for my nominations at the mean time
Balloon fighterX5

 

[Chandeelure]

I'm already preparing my rating already.

I'm already preparing already my already rating already.

 

[colder_than_ice]

Mii is REALLY going to be controversial, that's for sure.
Oh, and @ colder_than_ice IMO Isa's chances are low because Saki is more important and popular than Jo. Being an AT in Brawl doesn't help much.

Why is Saki more important? They both starred in one game each. Isa's role was arguably more prominent in his game as he was present and playable throughout it, whereas Saki was only playable in the first and last thirds of his. Isa even made a cameo in the original. And as I pointed out earlier Star Successor was more successful than the original title. If we were to ignore Brawl and just go by prominence within S&P than Isa defeats Saki in almost every way.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Isa Chance: 0.0000001%
Considering Saki was in Brawl as an assist, he is a much more likely S&P rep. Not to mention that a S&P rep itself is already unlikely!

Isa Want: 1%
I never played S&P, but I wouldn't really be mad if we got a rep. I just don't really want one. And for some reason I feel Saki would just be better and is more deserving.


Meowth: 20%
The first obvious choice if Sakurai decides to add an "older" Pokémon from First Gen (if you count Mewtwo as Gen Six). Sakurai even considered him for SSB64, and wanted him in it.

Meowth Want: 50%
The most deserving "Older" Pokémon character, right next to Gary Oak (whose Support Thread I own).


Zael Prediction: 0.01%
Shulk out-prioritizes him in popularity as a "Poject Rainfall Rep," if that is even a thing.

Mii Prediction: 65%
I'm being realistic, but I'm not sure if the rest of Smashboards will.....


Nomination: X5 Sandbag (COME ON! HELP ME OUT PEOPLE!)

 

[Keto]

Isa Chance and want: Never played their games.

Meowth Chance: 5% - He has a good chance for being important in the anime and has somewhat of a following, but there are already so many candidates for Pokemon.

Meowth Want: 70% - I would like the idea of a Team Rocket styled character with Meowth.

Zael prediction: .05%

Mii Prediction: 63.4%

Sandbag x5