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I feel like Bayo's Nair should be S tier too. Probably the best gimping aerial in the game, silly hitbox size and kills. Also a scary combo finisher if you're offstage, since it'll probably kill you around 80%.
's Uair should be bumped to B:'s Uair is a really weird move. Although it's a difficult move to hit due to the small hitbox, odds are that you'll hit the windbox which can also kill (if they jump out of it). It also combos out of down throw, giving G&W his signature "Toot Toot". Overall, it's a move with low commitment and pretty good reward, so I think it deserves to move up to B tier.
being moved up. Yes, he has the Toot-toot, but beyond that? The all-important second hit is super inconsistant. Sometimes the first hit knocks opponents far enough away to avoid it, and the huge windbox stops you from throwing it out early to try and bypass the first hit. for very long), but how exactly is Uair a gimp? The windbox pushes opponents straight up. If they were recovering, additional vertical momentum is rarely a bad thing, and it pushes them away from Game & Watch, making it hard to follow up with anything. It also does zero damage from the windbox, so stalling descending opponents is just that: stalling. They will land eventually.
Just from what I feel, Ness uses the move much more. And that's just about it from me, the principle of usage alone is why I'd rate it higher. Bowser afaik only uses the move after a throw, and DK can autocancel from a short hop as well as frame trapping to set up for more grabs. So honestly I'd see DK rank up from a brief thought about it. Just not in-depth though.
The biggest difference I see is Ness's uair is not just a powerful kill move, but a powerful neutral tool as well, since landing with it is safe on block as it only has 14 frames of landing lag. DK and Bowser's uairs are less versatile, though I will argue DK's uair is the better of the two.
's Uair is actually very versatile., DK's Uair auto-cancels out of a short hop, so you can use the move as a mind game. The move itself has pretty decent range, thanks to the little tuft on the top of his head. 's Uair is very strong and the range that the opponent can DI is small, so the % that it kills off the top is pretty consistent. Since it has a disjoint, it cleanly trades with high priority aerials such as 's Dair, which is really useful in those matchups.>, however they do have different uses outside of Ding Dong and Shell Shock.'s up air isn't a good move. Probably D tier.
It would probabaly be worse tbh, it would be even more safe on shield sure but combo wise it would knock people further away faster making Up-air strings not work as good as it does now.
Even dumber. It wouldn't let you blockstring into anything I don't think, but it would be even safer + Falcon's earlier combos would do more damage. It would combo less like MrWhYYZ said, but it would also KO ~20% earlier. I'm no Falcon expert but I'd take the prepatch version back.
up air should be s rank in my opinion for the following reasons:
's N-air is better than many of the A tier N-airs. It comes out @ Frame 7 and lingers for 24 frames, so it's a great edge guarding tool. It is also a combo starter, extender, and finisher, since it comes out fast and has very little end lag. It combos from D-Throw, weak D-air, weak N-air, first hit B-air, Bomb, Boomerang, F-air, and even more. It combos into Dash Attack, F-air, D-air, Bomb, Boomerang, Arrow, Grab, another N-air, B-air...It doesn't stop! It even kills @ at a generous % if it isn't staled from using it for everything. Also note that N-air is also a very good defensive move. The hitbox covers all of 's body, especially in front of him, making it a good option to stuff approaches and a good landing option as well. It is also 's best OoS option by far. has a better N-air than at least , , and , but that's debatable. A tier.'s N-air is NOT D tier. It's probably B tier. Here's why:'s N-air can do. I think this move is at least B tier. It's so much better than all of the D tiers and C tiers (except , because he's A tier).
Hey, I noticed a bunch of people complaining about having to respond to every character, so I created a new form you can use for the next move with dropdown menus. PM me your email, and I can give you the link. Just copy the form for another move.
I sent it to you. I think you can copy both of them into your own drive, and work from there. To use for another move, just replace the relevant parts in the title. The responses sheet has three pages: the response page, which stores the responses directly; the data page, which shows the averages and ranks the characters, and the placings page, which shows their tiers. It runs on an S-F, 6-0 system like the average tier list for this thread.
. It has a total of 4 different hitboxes: Earliest, Early, Normal, and Late hitbox, dealing 10, 8, 6, and 4 damage respectively. This gives the move a whole bunch of different uses with all the different hitboxes. Also, it has so little lag, where the earliest hit has 10 frames of landing lag, and 73 FAF, but the last 3 hitboxes have no landing lag and no end lag. It comes out decently fast @ frame 10 and lingers for 24 more frames. Due to the move having no lag, it can lead into many different follow ups: At low-percents, any hit combos into grab, F-air, and all of his tilts. At mid-percents, if you hit them low to the ground, it can be difficult to tech because the angle it sends you, which can lead into a D-Tilt jab lock. At high-percents, it can kill if it's not staled. spins his entire body around, it covers all sides of him, making it a really good tool to stuff approaches. Since the hitbox lasts so long, you can cover a lot of space around , making it a tiny bit harder to approach. It's also quite safe on shield as long as you hit one of the last three hitboxes since it has no lag. 's N-air is comparable to that of 's, 's or 's N-airs, who are all in B-Tier. So, naturally, I think also belongs in B-Tier.
Ignore that. I actually did the math wrong. Doc should be above Mario.
ARGHETH
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Funbot28
for spreadsheet and idea, respectively.
