question on fox's shine to short-hop nai/bair

[Vijin]

I'm working on my fox's shield pressure game, with shine to shorthop nair/bair. But Sometimes the shorthop just doesn't come out. Sometiems it does, and sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't short hop and fox just stays in his shine animation, what is the reason behind this? Am I trying to jump out of my shine too fast? too slow? What's the deal?

 

[FoxLisk]

I'm working on my fox's shield pressure game, with shine to shorthop nair/bair. But Sometimes the shorthop just doesn't come out. Sometiems it does, and sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't short hop and fox just stays in his shine animation, what is the reason behind this? Am I trying to jump out of my shine too fast? too slow? What's the deal?

given that you know it's possible, probably too early. if you've practiced shine nairing against no target enough, you'll be doing it too fast. there's a few frames of hitlag when you hit an opponent/shield with a shine that you have to wiat for. if you're doing it too slow, you're doing it late by a large enough margin that most human opponents would grab you.

 

[Mahone]

ya, i no what you mean. Like i no how to waveshine to the right, but i can't do it to the left. Is it a different input (besides the control stick, cmon im not stupid).

 

[Vijin]

given that you know it's possible, probably too early. if you've practiced shine nairing against no target enough, you'll be doing it too fast. there's a few frames of hitlag when you hit an opponent/shield with a shine that you have to wiat for. if you're doing it too slow, you're doing it late by a large enough margin that most human opponents would grab you.

The thing is, though, that it's not on anyone's shield. I'm practicing it just to get the muscle memory down. But I THOUGHT that you could jump out of the shine immediately, so that's why I'm wondering why sometimes I can shorthop out of the shine, and sometimes I can't.

Mahone, it is the same input. It's always different doing it form the side you're not used to, though.

 

[FoxLisk]

oh. if you're not hitting anything then i dont know. you're probably not pressing the button hard enough or something? i assume you're not waiting the like 15 frames or whatever until you get stuck in shine. if you turn around by accident, you can't jump out for four (?) frames, too, but i imagine you'd notice that happening if it were. i dunno.

 

[4 Aces]

oh. if you're not hitting anything then i dont know. you're probably not pressing the button hard enough or something? i assume you're not waiting the like 15 frames or whatever until you get stuck in shine. if you turn around by accident, you can't jump out for four (?) frames, too, but i imagine you'd notice that happening if it were. i dunno.

So...if you do it too slow you'll get stuck even longer in it?

 

[Mokumo]

jman told me a great way to practice your nair/bair/dair/anything shines by plugging in another controller with no one playing and all the handicaps up. you can hit them over and over nair shine nair shine nair shine, but they wont get hit away so you can just keep going until you have the muscle memory down.

 

[FoxLisk]

So...if you do it too slow you'll get stuck even longer in it?

yeah. i think there's something weird like... if you let go of B after 15 frames or something, there's a lag before the shine goes away on its own out of which you cannot jump. i dont remember, i never do that **** anymore

 

[sauc3]

jman told me a great way to practice your nair/bair/dair/anything shines by plugging in another controller with no one playing and all the handicaps up. you can hit them over and over nair shine nair shine nair shine, but they wont get hit away so you can just keep going until you have the muscle memory down.

u can make it even better by putting the damage ratio on 0.5 and and handicaps flipped (you on 1, cpu/sandbag on 9)

yeah if you're getting stuck and you doing it to the air you're either too slow or turning around, what are you using to jump? flick, x, y, or (god forbid) shield -> cstick lolz.

 

[Vijin]

Jumping out of shield I'm using the normal stick. I do tend to turn around sometimes, rather than jumping.

 

[mastermoo420]

You should almost always jump with X/Y, imo, because it's more precise and it allows for more flexibility in your movement. I SHDL with the control stick, but if I had the option, I'd rather do it with X/Y (but I'm physically unable to be that quick so far )

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

youre timing it to early. you need to delay it more then you do when you hit people since shields have more hitlag then when you hit people.

 

[sauc3]

its prob cuz if you flick for the jump, and its slightly in the opposite direction it will register a turn, and stick you in shine for a little longer than normal. For example, if your character is faced away from the centre, and your natural sense of IRL "lean" is towards the centre, then after a few shffl'ed shine-nairs you get lazy and start flicking up and in a little.

I find flicking up and slightly in front helps prevent this, and it keeps you focused at the same time.