Project Matchup: Unofficial P:M Matchup Chart

[Phaiyte]

If Tetra is mad good, then what would you call Professor Pro? Or ESAM? Or Pink Fresh?
Emukiller is not good when you think about it. Mewtwo is a broken character. His fundamentals are not there. NinjaLink 3-0d him in tourney right after SKTAR. Zero eliminated him in Zenith. Junebug too.

Also the argument is whether not these guys would beat me (you don't know jack about me or how well I'd fare with top players), its whether Kirby has a positive MU vs Fox and Marth. IDK why I'm arguing this, Kirby is considered mid tier in PM, Fox number 1 and Marth high. Chu Dat beating down VGBC Redd, a considerably weaker player with less overall experience, probably zero Kirby MU experience, and significantly less smarts doesn't mean that Kirby suddenly beats Fox and Marth in general. It just means that Chu is extremely good. Then again, Chu would be good with anyone he picked up. He has over a decade of experience and extremely solid fundamentals.

Thats like saying I went Mewtwo vs Chu and he beat me, and all of a sudden that means Kirby beats Mewtwo. I'm very likely to be not as clever as Chu, and he has triple the amount of experience that I have, in years.

@ Arc Tangent Melee and PM Fox are nearly the same! Shine has no invincibility. Thats virtually his main game changer. And even then, Fox is played the same way. Nair shine lasers up smash.

Emukiller still beats M2K's face in.
People still thinking Fox is literally number 1 is lol.
Mewtwo's not even /kind of/ broken.

 

[Arc Tangent]

Lol you guys necroed this thread just to have yet another Fox discussion?

Also, there is a community matchup chart maintained by acaferra here.

I would say this list is pretty accurate as far as Kirby goes, however the Marth matchup is a lot better then you think.

 

[Arc Tangent]

Lol you guys necroed this thread just to have yet another Fox discussion?

Also, there is a community matchup chart maintained by acaferra here.

I would say this list is pretty accurate as far as Kirby goes, however the Marth matchup is a lot better then you think.

 

[1FD]

Instead of a chart for every match-up and character, I'd say having a chart specifically and exclusively for the more distinctly 'lop-sided' match-ups would be more significant and valuable to the community.
There are far too many match-ups and variables within those match-ups to make anything functional out of a mass-chart like this, even though it could be beneficial, it's very much redundant and would have a lot of flaws.

Though the image on the OP is pretty.
- Nausicaa

 

[victinivcreate1]

Emukiller still beats M2K's face in.
People still thinking Fox is literally number 1 is lol.
Mewtwo's not even /kind of/ broken.

M2K doesn't use of abuse any of Mewtwo's broke attributes. I'd be that other considerably worse players would beat M2K in a Mewtwo ditto.

 

[Phaiyte]

M2K doesn't use of abuse any of Mewtwo's broke attributes. I'd be that other considerably worse players would beat M2K in a Mewtwo ditto.

That does nothing more than make him a foolish scrub.
And it's not "broke". Teleport hovers aren't even safe without a tech chase lol.

 

[victinivcreate1]

That does nothing more than make him a foolish scrub.
And it's not "broke". Teleport hovers aren't even safe without a tech chase lol.

I know you were the one who said you can stuff TP with jabs sonce they're noncommittal enough, and I can't help but agree. Wish there were more people like you who thought this way. However it is a bit broken. If Mewtwo messes up, he can just Hover and do a retreating nair.

 

[Phaiyte]

I know you were the one who said you can stuff TP with jabs sonce they're noncommittal enough, and I can't help but agree. Wish there were more people like you who thought this way. However it is a bit broken. If Mewtwo messes up, he can just Hover and do a retreating nair.

That makes him vulnerable to projectiles and anything with the slightest disjoint, on top of being able to hit him with literally anything as nair ends. MK (or anyone with a sword. MK's just better at it) can just slice right through it because his sword has transcendent priority on everything it does. Over 60% of the cast has some kind of projectile they can use, and Mewtwo can't reflect it if he's in the middle of nair animation. Some of the same characters and a lot of the other characters have a good disjoint they can use. Mewtwo's actual safest option is to just land with hopefully a back air poking out and try to teleport out before they close in on him, but then that's when good reads come into play and the opponent can be there with his own nair or some junk.

 

[victinivcreate1]

Thing about it, the neutral air is like Brawlnado when coupled with hover. Nair can beat a fair share of projectiles. Fire Balls, Arrows, Homing Missiles, etc. IMO Mewtwo's safest approach option is an autocancel on a nearby platform, then to work from there with a drop through aerial.

 

[Phaiyte]

Mewtwo nair is absolutely nothing compared to Brawl MK tornadoes. You know what I beat nairs with very frequently? Mario Ftilts lol. Doesn't even trade hits if you get him with just the toes like you're supposed to.

 

[victinivcreate1]

Mix up with disjointed fair. Fair beats Wolf Flash because of the disjoint, definitely beating out most tilts and other ground moves.