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Project DRRP: A few things I'd like for us to work on

Ramen King

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So there's a few projects that have been bouncing around in my head for a bit, but I realized that I probably wont be able to get them all done on my own. I'm limiting swf to just a couple hours a day rather than my usual 24/7. Once I get workin, that will probably decrease to just about an hour a day. So if you guys are up for it I think that if we each put in some time to different parts of these projects we will be able to get them running in a jiff-e. Speaking of jiff-e, how many of you pronounce "GIF" as "giff" with a ga-sound? I've always pronounced it like "jiff". Alright so anyways the four projects I'd like for us to work on are:

1. Project Dictionary
2. Project Propaganda
3. Project Records
4. Project Rankings

Post here & send me a PM if you would like to be the project manager for any of these. Each of these will require their own thread. Project managers will be responsible for making the thread and assigning/regulating the tasks for the project.


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Project Dictionary
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So this first project is something that will take a lot of work and will need a lot of contribution to. I don't think one person can do it alone in a timely manner. Basically it is a dgames dictionary- all the dgames/mafia terms will be categorized in alphabetical order with a description and such. We can discuss what's worth putting in the dictionary but basically I was thinking of 3 main sections to start out with: Mafia terms/Dgames Regulars/Miscellaneous. Now of course most of the mafia terms we can simply pull from the mafia scum wiki. However there are some terms that are dgames specific/understood differently in dgames and there are things that can be elaborated on and altered from the wiki. The dgames regular section is basically a player guide with basic descriptions of the players, what they are known for, etc. The misc section would pretty much be for like specific thread names, other terms that aren't really mafia related such as a description of "adventure game", "pen and sword", etc. I was thinking of having the second post have everything separated into these categories (and then alphabetized) and then the first post contain a complete compiled list of everything alphabetized (Similar to this wrt organization). As you can see, this will be a lot of work and will require assigning different people different things to write up/report on for the dictionary.

Project Manager: WashedLaundry

Like I said, I was thinking we have different people simply submit different entries. For example Dark Horse (or anyone) could make an entry on Swiss. Frozen Flame (or anyone) could make an entry on WIFOM. An so on. The project manager for this would be in charge or regulating who will submit what as well as putting them all together.


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Project Propaganda
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Basically gaining more traffic, more activity, etc. One thing I'd like for Dgames is to be placed above Forum games on the main page, maybe even the top of "General Discussion" above the Pool Room. But that's a long term goal. I once talked to JV a long time ago about getting the Smash 64 section moved up on the main page and he basically wants the forums that produce the most traffic to be the easiest to view. Sure enough, once the 64 section proved they were still alive, they got just that.

Now when I talk about propaganda I'm not talking about going ad crazy or anything of that sort. Right now there is one thing I'd like to work on which is getting some Dgames signatures made. Each signature will basically consist of 5-7 of us reppin the dgmaes logo. We did this in the Disco Room a way while back which was pretty cool. Here are a few examples:




Project Manager: Jonny 2kayfor

Project Team: CleanLaundry, Rangaroo, Nahbay

So I personally don't know anyone who can make the sigs. I'd like for the project manager to be someone who can do so, or knows someone that can do so. The project manager will take in all the ideas for the design, organize which users are on which sigs, and either create the sigs themselves or communicate the orders with someone that does have photo editing skills.


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Project Records
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So for this, J and I were compiling a record of all the wins/losses for each player. This of course is just for the sake of interest/allowing one to keep stat of where they are at. This is similar to the mafia/town/indy win-loss record that J has compiled. I'm not sure if this is something that necessarily would need its own thread. It can either be added to the archive, combined with J's other list into a new thread, or just added into a post in the rankings thread. The second would actually probably be best. I think this can be made a lot simpler just by having each person compile their individual stats and send them in and then have the thread updated periodically from there.

Project Manager: J

The project manager will take in all submissions, check that all stats are accurate, and keep stats updated.

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Project Rankings
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This is MAFIA
It is about time we get something like this going.


Welcome to dgames seasonal rankings. Each season will last about 4 months.

Season 1: March 1 - June 30
Season 2: July 1 - October 30
Season 3: October 31 - February 28



What do I have to do?

Play Mafia.

As you play, your wins/losses will be recorded and you will gain a score based on weighted calculations. The more games you play the more accurate your score will become; however, players who play more games will not be given more points than those with fewer games, and those with fewer games will not be given a better score based on a lower ratio.

How will you keep scores balanced?

Maths.

Each player may have recorded up to 7 games during a season. Scores will be calculated based on these ranges:

3 Games recorded
5 Games recorded
7 Games recorded

If you have played 4 games in a season, we will base your score on your 3 most recent games. If you have played 6 games in a season, we will base your score on your 5 most recent games. If you have played more than 7 games in a season, we will continue to base your score on your 7 most recent games.

Scores will be calculated using this formula:

(1-win Probability %) X (Large/Small) <--calculation from one game

+

(Calculations from other games)

/

6 (for 3 recorded games), 4 (for 5 recorded games), and 2 (for 7 recorded games)



I was going to set this up a while back (as you can tell from the dates above). The above was the first draft of the thread I was going to make. I needed someone to go over math with, but put it off for some reason. I have no idea what the hell I was calculating above haha. Though I'm pretty sure there is a pretty fair point system that can be created. I'll have to look over this again and figure out where I was going with it, and I'll make an update later.

Project manager: No one yet
 

Ramen King

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So yeah let me know if you're willing to help out in anyway. We will need a lot of help with submissions for the dictionary especially. And if you'd like to be a project manager hit me up in PM or Skype.
 

#HBC | Ryker

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I've been talking to Raz and Xonar and we're waiting for the finalization of the DGames user group before we would start a similar operation.
 

John2k4

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Zen what's your Skype? I don't remember what name you use for it. =P
 

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Hey zen. This is interesting. How about a project where everyone has their own profile of there games played, and modded? Like on mafia scum. Here is an example: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Ranmaru

Course I'd only describe games from here

Your project rankings thing gave me that idea.

Anyway, I wouldnt mind helping

:phone:
 

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Also I can make siggies but I'd prolly need help cuz I am very lazy with them. (I made my avi for example)
 

#HBC | Laundry

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I'm down with helping out for the propaganda. I used to make a bunch of sigs in the past and I could stand to relearn the trade. Do you want samples?

Also I can manage the dictionary project. I'll need some help but it'd give me something to do.
 

John2k4

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I'll help with just about anything.

Oh man, I just learned so much about Ran via that link...
 

#HBC | Laundry

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Ah screw it, here's some of my work:








While not actual signatures themselves, I also did minor spriting for backgrounds back when I played Gang Garrison 2:



I'd have to shake off the rust and brush up a bit--this ****'s come a long way since I've been doing it--but I'm so down for relearning a thing or two.
 

Ramen King

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Good luck bro!
How did you even post this that fast :p
Zen what's your Skype? I don't remember what name you use for it. =P
Zaceky did you not know that was me all this time?
Hey zen. This is interesting. How about a project where everyone has their own profile of there games played, and modded? Like on mafia scum. Here is an example: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Ranmaru

Course I'd only describe games from here

Your project rankings thing gave me that idea.

Anyway, I wouldnt mind helping

:phone:
Woah that's actually pretty tight. And I didn't know you made that ava man.
Project Rankings

please omit me from this
Yeah for sure. I don't know why you would want to though.
I love it!
 

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Dictionary and Proaganda look like great ideas - fully support them. Records are always nice to have.

I'd err on the side of caution with the Rankings - a townie that did nothing and died D1 gets as much credit as the townie that carried town to the win. Plus you get into grey areas with people replacing out etc. I've been in games where my faction won but I didn't deserve the win (and far more where my IDIOT SCUM TEAM LOST US THE GAME).

Also do we know how much traffic front page sections get? How much did 64 increase by to go up?
 

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What would you think of a guide for hosting mafia games? I'd take care of that [though I may ask somebody for help].

:059:
 

#HBC | ZoZo

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I've been talking to Raz and Xonar and we're waiting for the finalization of the DGames user group before we would start a similar operation.
Yups. We're pushing for as much as we can.

I would help with sigs, but this computer can't run editting software. :(
I used to be pretty okay at them too. Ohwell.
 

#HBC | Dark Horse

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> mfw Chibo mods a game and doesn't put safeclaim colour in OP.

Also epic avvy
That's not as bad as creating a 6 team mafia that has both a kill and an abduct, and the ability to recruit someone if one of the mafia is lynched.

Also , anyone up for adding something like "Project: Evaluation," so the title can read Project: DERP?
 

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I'd be totally up to offer my services on the sigs. I'm pre good at image editing when I care and when I decide not to use MS Paint.
 

#HBC | ZoZo

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We could do the ranking system, but in that case we need to have the mod (in discussion with a neutral party that read the game) rank the players after a game. Simple as that.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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I could help J with recording wins/losses for individual players.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

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Dissidia: Loss (Indy Win) [Lynched D3]
DKC: Win [Replaced out]
Bingo: Loss (Scum Win) [Lynched D4]
Newbie 12: Loss (Scum Win) [Modkilled D3]
Pizza: Loss (Indy Win) [Lynched D2]
Touhou: Loss (Indy Win) [Lynched D3]
Melee: Win [Modkilled D1]
Utrick'd: Loss (Scum Win) [Modkilled D3]
Pulp Fiction: Loss (Scum Win) [NKilled N3]
Gurren Laggan: Loss (Town Win) [Lynched D3]
D. Gray: Win [NKilled N3]
FFIX: Win [Endgamed]
Ragnarok: Loss (Scum Win) [Endgamed]
Awkward Moments: Loss (Scum Win) [Endgamed]
Utrick'd 2: Win [Lynched D3]
Lost Mafia: Win [Replaced Out]
G3S Mafia: Win [Lived until Endgame!]
DK Mafia: Loss (Town Win) [NKilled N1]
Half Life: Loss (Indy Win) [Abducted N3]
Britches and Hose: Loss (Indy Win) [NKilled N2]
Time Travelers: Win [NKilled N3]
Halloween Party: Loss [Replaced Out]
Newbie 16: Loss [NKilled N2]
Shining Force: Win [NKilled N1]
Ryker Mafia: Loss (Town Win) [Lynched D2]
Fire and Lightning: Loss (Scum Win) [Replaced Out]
Ducktales: Loss (Scum Win) [Endgamed]
DGamesia: Loss (Scum Win) [Replaced Out]
UPick Pokemafia: Loss (Scum Win) [Lynched D3]

Then I think we should add how long they were alive or when then died prior to the game. Should wins/losses count if you were an original slot but you replaced out? Also thinking of adding a synposis for players that go into detail as to what their reads were or how they affected the game/what role they were. I have a lot of losses but I've gotten accurate reads, I just didn't know how to carry myself like I do now. Also chronological order would be nice too. I blame half of these losses on playing 5 games at once, which I used to do.
Stop lynching me :mad:
 

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I'd be down to help with the dictionary if possible. afraid i just don't know too much bout dgames yet though, and I can't make sigs for ****
 

Ramen King

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What would you think of a guide for hosting mafia games? I'd take care of that [though I may ask somebody for help].

:059:
This is a great idea. Looks like Ryker & EE were working a guide of some sort too. I'd see what all Ryker wanted to do with that.
 

Ramen King

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Thing about the rankings is that it's not supposed to represent who is the best as that's not something that can be easily calculated, and that's why that rankings will be a seasonal event. It's a competitive system that will motivate players in completing their wincon. Where as the MVP system focuses on the individual, the rankings system will focus on the group/factions. MVP system motivates players to outshine their comrades where as the rankings system will motivate players towards helping their comrades & completing their win condition. With regards to Swiss, that's why the point calculation will be based on completed win conditions. As for replacements, something will be worked out. Likely games that one replaced out of wont be considered.

One thing I also like about the rankings is that one's placement is not dependent on the amount of games played. It doesn't force people to have to play more games in order to gain higher placement, but it does push for players to be more involved in the games they do join.
 

#HBC | marshy

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oh word ee i skimmed records. i request me and xiivi be excluded from records and rankings

Good luck bro!
How did you even post this that fast :p
its been said that kevin possesses futuristic tracking technology rivaling that of batman enabling him to be hot on the heels of anyone deserving a brofist. neither time nor galaxy disrupts this

:phone:
 

#HBC | Nabe

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I don't think as a whole a competitive system is a good idea. If it were a points system based around wins/losses and length of play in a given game, it would promote playing for yourself instead of your wincon. I've run an extremely similar system off-site, to no good result.

If it were to happen, the seasons should be longer and the current queue system would have to revolve around it. For that matter there would also have to be a choice by mods to say "this is a Ranked Game" or the opposite. Also, at the end of a season, a friendly extra-funky-themed game should run with the X highest players (opt-outs replaced with the next highest player and so on) as a fun cap to a season.

Records sounds very friendly, as it's a simple track of wins/losses from a wincon perspective.

I'd be happy to work Propaganda.
 

#HBC | marshy

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btw ee bangin avatar/title combo bro EDIT i cannot wait for dark knight rises

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:phone:
 

Ramen King

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oh word ee i skimmed records. i request me and xiivi be excluded from records and rankings
Swag. You don't have to request not to be in the rankings though since it's a seasonal signup, but I'll be sure to give you and EE some extra cool points if that's what you'd like.
 

#HBC | J

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I thought I was already doing the records but sure haha it is a fun activity for me when I'm bored and I will probably need some busy work more now than ever.

I have a question/statement/thingy.

Okay I like the idea of competition type thing because I love competition but at the same time, judging on mafia games is kind of eeeh because of things like Swiss pointed out and also some other factors that could flaw the standards and things because some mafia games are completely scenario based.

However, an idea I do like is the fact of giving out awards and the like based on play ya know? I like that aspect of MafiaScum in order to keep it? I think we should have something like seasonal things for "Best town/mafia play" and have some nominees chosen from a group of people that read like every game or something and there could be fun awards too just to make it more fun like "Best Lurker" or "Best Hammer Post". The awards I wouldn't wanna do are like "Worst x/y/z" because that kind of defeats the purpose of the entire thing of making it that way.

Also it kind of balances out the thing where people sometimes don't get MvP in games due to mod discretion but they still had kick*** play.

Idk, it would need to be worked out but I like the idea of Award Ceremony type deal>Seasonal Rankings like video game stuff.
 

#HBC | ZoZo

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Seasonal/Yearly awards sound fun.

We should see some of the classics like "Best up and coming" and "Most ******** post". Ohhh man.
 

#HBC | J

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Mhmm, I was also thinking of some more things for awards and I am having fun creating some of these now!
 
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