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Go ahead! I don't mind!so mind If I joined your Krystal brigade, been a long time fan of the Star fox series but I've always been disappointed with the lake of creativity used with the characters in smash. If any thing else I want Krystal in for the fact that making her a clone would be kinda hard to justify.
( also I tried getting a ride on the Ridley train but then I soon realized that it was way to intense for me ;_
Yes we have, we're rolling with it.
IS there even a sureness to her after today which there was not before? It seems to read so elsewhere.
Its still "Anything goes" right now.
Conversely, it kinda always annoys me when people try to downplay what having more certain bad guys would bring to the table or attempt to invalidate other people's want in having them. Not that I'm against the three characters you mentioned but even without them Smash is still far from having a shortage of females this time around... They've been one of the top priorities for this game's newcomer pool if anything. Apologize in advance if I'm taking it the wrong way, but it kinda sounds like you're saying such-and-such should get added to Smash simply on the verdict that they're female, which is stupid (would say the same about adding someone just because they're a villain). Not like females outnumbering males in Smash like in Hyrule Warriors or if Smash became mostly a tacofest would somehow suddenly put a stop to sexism in gaming anyway; the game would just get some extra cookie points from feminists at most.
No, people are freaking out over nothing. We got the Star Fox stage after a long time of waiting. People thought the next reveals would contain FE characters once we got both Ike and Colosseum back to back. Didn't happen, instead we got a follow up with Miis, Palutena, and Pac-Man. The next reveal after that meant nothing; people jumped on the bandwagon thinking FE reps would be announced at E3, and people are doing the same with Star Fox.
Yeah, right.The new pic of the day is up and it has nothing to do with Starfox. I suppose Sakurai just wanted to give us a brief view of the Starfox stage before Krystal's big reveal!
Try not to go overboard with video-only responses...its not gonna go well in the future.
Sorry. Lol
But krystal was the last one to speak on the matter and we both know realictically she is correct on her argument that she would be the only one capable of going down there and fighting a bunch of others in close quarters combat. And dude cmon, there has been only 1 other character to insinuate he could be in a future title and it was pit, and now we had krystal talking the good **** in brawl which does bring a level of strength to her argument. And we know know they had decided on the roaster when beginning development and a character with martial artist staff wielding prowess would be just perfect for a game like this. Also I'm typing this on my phone and that is why some things aren't spaced out.
"Will Pit ever fight again?"
Oh I'm not saying that they should get in simply because they're female (though re-reading my post I can see why it looks that way) but representation is an important thing. When I play as a feminine character I immediately feel a stronger connection that helps me enjoy the game more. I talk about villains being superficial because there are no literal villains in the world wanting representation in games but there are a lot of women wanting female representation and that is much more valid than playing as your favourite baddies. Also there still aren't many women in smash bros as Fatmanonice pointed out a couple of pages back (if expected Brawl veterans are returning then less than a fourth of the current roster is female).
Just as another said about pit ever fighting again, you can't simply dismiss it so easily like this. Only 1 other character insinuated a possible inclusion and know we have another. That does add weight and her possible ability for a unique fighting style is undeniable.
How would Wolf or Falco's confirmation bode well for Krystal? All it would do is hint at more of the same given the fact that people aren't expecting Star Fox to get 4 reps for arbitrary reasons related to sales volume or lack of villains. Sorry if this came off as aggressive, but I would really like to get some insight on your perspective over this.
Of course it's something, I just don't think it's a whole lot.
Because the likelihood is, character reveals would be spaced out more for one franchise. Kirby had three playable reps in Brawl, two right from the start of development and Dedede was either the second or third new newcomer announced. Falco was one of the first known secret characters in Brawl and played a major role in the SSE, Wolf was one of the last characters added to the game (if not THE last) barring Sonic, and he was also one of the last characters unlocked, too.
I agree right here (1st Pit was teased in Melee (he was planned for the 1st Smash Bros but got axed and was planned for Melee but lost out to the Ice Climbers), and now Krystal was teased in Brawl on the Lylat Cruise's Starfox conversations, and by the way the person who 1st mentioned "Will he ever fight again" that was me, I was just throwing a comparison between Pit's Melee tease, with Krystal's Brawl tease.
The problem is, this argument doesn't have any merit because of the franchises it skips out on.
The difference is that we had all the known Metroid reps. There's no guarantee a franchise will get a new rep if characters are announced early... but a franchise getting a new rep when we only know one character from the franchise after over a year? That's highly, highly questionable.
Ok, we have all the known F-Zero reps, Cap has been here since 64, his series has only one rep while Starfox has 3, and the last starfox game wasn't too long after the last fzero game. The new starfox means nothing because the roster would've been locked in a long while back. So your logic seems to imply to me that now we could be ripe for seeing a new Fzero newcomer as well? Not trying to put words in your mouth, but the situation fits.
So how do you think it's going to go down? Will we have the vets announced in fairly rapid succession or do you see them being in reveal trailers for non-Star Fox newcomers?
Actually, I do think its quite likely we'll get Black Shadow. Ganondorf gets a new moveset, Black Shadow gets in as a new character with an updated "old" Ganondorf moveset. In fact, F-Zero is the only O12 franchise not to have a second rep yet, so I think its quite likely.
I think we'll get one Star Fox rep before release (Wolf), and the other is unlockable in the game (Falco). I think we still are getting secret characters (characters we don't know about before the game releases), just not as many as in past games. We'll probably have 2-3 trailers left with 2-3 characters per trailer. A villains trailer might have 4-5 instead, though its questionable.
I used that argument because most people think we won't get a new F-Zero newcomer, but you logic is consistent there, I won't argue that. I personally doubt Black Shadow or a revamped Ganondorf, but that's pure opinion.
Oh, its not just the lack of Falco and Wolf, that's just PART of the reason I don't think Krystal is likely. Its also due to the fact that Falco and Wolf both are far more prominent characters in the Star Fox series, so there's no reason to cut them, Star Fox isn't big enough to have four reps, and there's about 10 other characters I think will get in before Krystal from other franchises that are more popular with more sales, more importance, more recency, and the characters are just as unique as Krystal is.
I guess I just walked into the middle of an ongoing argument, then. To be fair, I don't think I've actually posted in this thread before. Honestly, when Krystal didn't make it into Brawl, I felt like that was her last chance until she showed up in a new Star Fox game. And that obviously hasn't happened.
I thought it was possible Falco could get cut if they were going for "very few clones," but after Lucina, not anymore. And even then I didn't think they'd replace Falco with Krystal except in my very first prediction list. Earlier on I was more lenient on Krystal, but now I just don't think she's all that likely. The fact that the last "Star Fox" game was a remake of 64 doesn't help, either, since that was before Krystal appeared.
I agree that they're not cutting Falco (nor Wolf for that matter, although anything is fair game now), but then again a character who has fallen into the point where he/she is in obscurity can still get in, look at the Ice Climbers (haven't had a single game since the 80s and they got in over Mach Rider, Balloon Fighter and oddly enough Pit), Pit (also hasn't had a game appearance since the Gameboy days back in the early 90s and he was redesigned in time for Brawl) and heck R.O.B. was pretty obscure for a bit since he was only used as an in-game toy up until they started making him playable as a gimmick type of character (he was only in Brawl mainly for the SSE story mode and yet he had a decent moveset to work with).
There's a difference between reviving a classic character from his own series, which Sakurai loves doing (Pit, Ice Climbers, Game and Watch, Little Mac) grabbing characters that represent hardware, which Sakurai also seems to like (ROB, and Fit trainer/Mii's to an extent), and pulling obscure characters from already represented series.
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Dude, plenty of people still talk about star fox, and krystal has pretty passionate fanbase. They started a petition for her inclusion sometime after brawl and it has over 750 signatures now.Well, that's not exactly the same situation... All of those characters were brought back for being retro reps.
I don't think Krystal has fallen into obscurity so much as the fact that Star Fox itself has fallen into obscurity. Krystal is still a central character to the franchise (in a franchise that contains four games and two remakes of the first game), and the whole unique + female factor works in her favor. If Star Fox were to get a new rep, it'd be Krystal, I just don't think the franchise will.
This means nothing. You could easily get that many signatures for tons of characters no chance to be in the game. It doesn't matter how many people talk about a game if Nintendo doesn't make new games for the franchise. And if it started sometime after brawl, that could mean as much as 5 years ago. As much as it pains me to say it, Krystal's chances are incredibly low, Brawl was her chance, but Wolf got it instead.
I disagree, what I had to say about krystal is all on the table, and she has a very powerful chance to be in here if characters saying or hinting at future appearances is a possible indicator here. Hell we already have shulk or who ever got beat up by captain falcon saying I guess I'll have a chance next time,(outside of a final smash) and we had pit in melee talking about his possible inclusion and now krystal in brawl giving her indicator in a codec.
As he should have, he was a far more popular and important character anyway. Falco is more popular now, but literally the only reason Falco IS more popular is because of Melee. Before Falco barely made it in over Wolf, Wolf was the far more popular character.
Chrom got beat up by Captain Falcon. The Krystal codec was probably a hint more at the fact that Krystal was highly requested rather than her getting in. If Star Fox had gotten a new game between Brawl and this game, maybe, but it didn't happen. Maybe next time.
I honestly haven't played too much of star fox, so I can't really judge. I personally think Wolf is a whole lot cooler than Falco though.
I don't recall krystal being requested but I wouldn't rule it out at the time. and I stand firm on this, when the final product releases and it doesn't have krystal I can rule that possible insinuations such as these are false. But until then I am very confident and strong on the subject and feel this really ways in krystals favor.
Falco became popular because of Melee. Krystal was highly requested, mainly because people mistook something Sakurai said about him wanting to add more female characters to the roster. People simply latched onto Krystal because of that and got angry over the fact that Wolf "stole" Krystal's spot (which was never hers to begin with).
By what logic is what you said about Krystal still on the table? Popularity polls that were barely signed from 5 years ago, about a franchise that hasn't had a game in 8 years? I think you're letting your want to see the character in the game cloud your view at her actual chances. Shulk doesn't pertain to this argument, he's representing his own series, where as Krystal would be a FOURTH representative. I think you were referring to Chrom, and said Shulk by accident. In that case, I'll tell you chrom will probably never be playable in a smash bros either. FE lords are different nearly every game, in another 6 years we'll probably have 2 more FE games, with 2 new Lords who will have priority over Chrom. Pit got in because Sakurai chooses classic characters, again a different case than Krystal. And codecs in Brawl just means that Sakurai knows about the character. Sakurai knows about tons and tons of characters. He knew about Villager, Mii's, and Ridley before brawl, and none of them were playable.
