Premarital Sex

[PimpLuigi]

whew, saw that one coming.

Anyway I don't see alot of actual debate on the subject at hand. People post their opinions and that is all. (getting itchy close topic finger)
Not only that, but it's become a debate concerning "underage" sex rather than premarital.

The reason i'm not condoning underage sex is merely because like Slakk said youngsters wouldn't be prepared for the consequences should they happen. No protection is a 100%. Condoms even if they don't break still have a couple of percent for failure. The pill is not a 100%. The pull out method is far, far from a 100%. The fact is, if you participate in underage sex, there is a chance your partner could become pregnant and you won't be able to support the child, end of story.
Legal pre-marrital sex however is all up to you.

-Pimp

 

[Matt]

Wow, I'm surprised to see one of my topics get so much notice! Brings a tear to my eye...

Anyway, yes, let's not stray too far from the intended purpose of the debate. Slakk brought it back on track well and made very good points on top of that. He's absolutely right about 15 year old boys. As one, I know ****ed well that they're not mature and that their level of comprehension is slim to none. It's even a stretch to say that a mere handful of 15 year old are ready for sex. Since I did not specify earlier what age I personally think is okay to have sex, I'm going to agree with Slakk on age 18.

Once again, I'm talkin' just sex without the intent of makin' babies. But of course, that's a risk and must also be considered... this is a broad topic, no?

<small>[ April 02, 2002, 09:29 PM: Message edited by: Matt ]</small>

 

[Bumble Bee Tuna]

Bee weighs in, finally.

1. Underage sex is perfectly fine. For most people, it is probably a bad idea, and they can't handle it. But that doesn't mean anyone else has the right to make it illegal. To advise against it, certainly, but not to punish those who do it. I could almost see some reason to restrict underage sex, but probably with an age closer to 16 than 18.

2. I resent the idea that teenagers are incapable of a serious relationship, what with my being in one, and being a few weeks away from yet reaching that magical number of 18.

3. Premarital sex, the topic at hand, is also perfectly fine. Marriage is nothing but a piece of paper. To some people, it's more, but legally it's still just a piece of paper. Nobody has the right to say what a couple of grown adults can or cannot do in their own bedroom. Just because your religion is opposed doesn't mean you can impose that religion on the rest of us.

EDIT: 4. I forgot to mention! Most of you are blatantly off topic, talking about babies and STDs. First of all, the babies. Sex does not necessarily mean babies. Safe sex? Birth control? Abortion? Morning after pill? All of these can prevent babies. Furthermore, sicne we're discussing premarital and not underage sex, babies don't matter. Marriage doesn't mean a couple will be good parents; correspondingly not being married does not mean a couple will be bad parents. The point is moot.
Next is the STDs. Are you all so stupid as to think marriage cures STDs? No. Marriage doesn't make anyone any safer from STDs. It's a matter of whether you plan your sexual encounters and act safely or if you don't, not a matter of marriage. Monogamy is a good defense against STDs, but monogamy is quite possible without marriage. I'm proof of that.
Gosh, I've refuted all the arguments here, so I might as well close the topic...lol j/k

-B

<small>[ April 02, 2002, 04:16 PM: Message edited by: Bumble Bee Tuna ]</small>

 

[PorCorpWis]

Slakk: I'm perfectly aware that a person under the age of 18 would have a very hard time raising a child, simply because of the way SOCIETY is. That is no reflection of the involved people however. If 17 were the age at which people were legally accountable for themselves, you'd say "17" is the magical number at which everyone is magically ready to make decisions. It's arbitrary, given that people mature at different rates. It's unrealistic, but it would work better if you had to pass a test to be consitered an adult under the law- wether you were ready at 12 or 21.

Your logic is flawed. "People under 18 are not ready to have children because they cannot raise them as well as they could if they were 18+. People under 18 cannot raise them as well because they aren't adults yet and kids are too stupid to do anything..." Who decides when you're an adult and a kid? Your arbitrary number, 18, which is simply not an accurate way to measure wether people are ready or not. Why is 18 a good number? Because it's been there for so long? A lot of things have been around for a long time, but that doesn't make them good. Beacause of public opinion? Well, the public is stupid; that's a given. You really have nothing to back yourself up as to why 18 is such a great way to measure when people are ready to have children.

And for your information, Matt and Slakk, your biasess against minors are pathetic. It's true that there are many minors who are jerks, but there are also plenty of adults who are jerks and behave no more maturely than a minor. "It's a stretch the say that even a handful of 15 year olds are ready..." BS! I know many people who are that age and emotionally mature. Far more mature than either of you have demonstrated yourselves to be. Perhaps you should be banned from having children <img border="0" alt="[Chuckle]" title="" src="graemlins/chuckle.gif" />

<small>[ April 02, 2002, 07:10 PM: Message edited by: PorCorpWis ]</small>

 

[Matt]

Granted, jerks come in all shapes and sizes. But by and large, people mature as they reach an older age. Age 18, though "arbitrary", is/should be the age when people open their eyes fully and realize that they need to be responsible and knowledgeable about their actions. But hold on a minute, you can't put an age on when a person should use a little common sense. However, we'd like to think that by age 18, people are at least somewhat ready for the challenges that life has to bring. This isn't always the case but it we can assume it to be.

Now don't get me wrong, my insults toward humanity can span between all ages and not just adolescents. How is it that you live in such a special place where so many fifteen year-olds are "emotionally ready?" Maybe your judgement is a bit off. And maybe, you should be banned from spouting out your opinions like a rusty shower head.

One more thing, whether I'm "bias" or not doesn't excuse the fact that what I've stated is true. Until I see more maturity from my peers, my opinions won't change for the likes of you.

 

[Gideon]

Gideon's turn to weigh in <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

1. Underage sex is NOT fine
2. Premarital sex is NOT fine. Society has corrupted Marriage to be nothing but a piece of paper, but in reality its a lot more and SHOULD be much more than peopel make it out to be.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Posted by Bee:<strong> Nobody has the right to say what a couple of grown adults can or cannot do in their own bedroom. Just because your religion is opposed doesn't mean you can impose that religion on the rest of us.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Actually, God has the right. Just because YOU dont believe in a religion doesnt mean you can impose your non religious views to the rest of us either. It works both ways if you look at it that way.

Ya see Bee, two can play this game. :D

<small>[ April 02, 2002, 09:58 PM: Message edited by: Gideon ]</small>

 

[Bumble Bee Tuna]

Luckily, Gideon, I'm not forcing my views on anyone. Christians propose to not allow sex before marriage, because it goes against their religion. This imposes the Christian view on the rest of us. I, on the other hand, simply propose that I be allowed to have sex before marriage, but I will do nothing to force Christians into having sex before marriage against their will. See the difference?

The point is, you THINK God says it's wrong. But if you force everyone else to go around as if it's wrong, then you're just forcing your religion on others. I think you can see that.

-B

 

[psychicpuff]

Now to join in.....

PREMARITAL SEX AND UNDERAGE SEX ARE WRONG!!

We should bear our own responsibility in the things we do. So if we can't even control ourself to have sex before marriage/legal age, how are we going to control our own lives?

Therefore, let me stress that illegal sex is not good, otherwise the government would not ban it.

 

[Gideon]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Bumble Bee Tuna:
<strong>Luckily, Gideon, I'm not forcing my views on anyone. Christians propose to not allow sex before marriage, because it goes against their religion. This imposes the Christian view on the rest of us. I, on the other hand, simply propose that I be allowed to have sex before marriage, but I will do nothing to force Christians into having sex before marriage against their will. See the difference?

The point is, you THINK God says it's wrong. But if you force everyone else to go around as if it's wrong, then you're just forcing your religion on others. I think you can see that.

-B</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Then are you saying that its a subjective matter and everyone should foolw their own "inner feelings" ?

 

[Liquid Entropy]

Obviously, Gideon.

This fine nation was founded on the idea of
majority rule and minority right. The majority
is clearly in favor of premarital sex. (maybe not
at these here young boards, but you know, across
america).

It seems apparent and fitting that every person
of age should be allowed to experience their
sexuality in their own way and time. No one is
forcing you personally to have sex or anything
thing like that, no one is forcing views upon
you short of that everyone should be entitled
to govern their own body.

 

[Matt]

Originally posted by psychicpuff:
Now to join in.....

PREMARITAL SEX AND UNDERAGE SEX ARE WRONG!!

We should bear our own responsibility in the things we do. So if we can't even control ourself to have sex before marriage/legal age, how are we going to control our own lives?

True, the choice to have sex bears its own responsibilities and demands a few to begin with. But who's to say that people don't have self control when they have sex? Do you honestly believe that "sex" is such an anamalistic action that you lose control of yourself and give into thoughts of **** and lust? You're pathetic. When two people decide to have sex, they know/should know the consequences of their actions before they make that commitment. You're suggesting that this isn't the case and I find that insulting.

Therefore, let me stress that illegal sex is not good, otherwise the government would not ban it.

The government tries its best to control adult content of any kind beyond the better judgement of the people. I'm not much into polictics, but I think it's safe to say that the government is NOT ALWAYS RIGHT. You can go ahead and argue that "God" doesn't want us to have sex until we're married, but the government? Pssssht.

<small>[ April 03, 2002, 10:30 AM: Message edited by: Matt ]</small>

 

[PorCorpWis]

Matt, it is true, as I said, that most people under 18 aren't ready to have children. There are ways to prevent that from ever happening through. The pill, when taken every day, along with a condom... well, condoms I think have better than 80% sucess rate, but assuming that along with the 99+% effectivness of the pill when taken every day... let's just say that if you get pregnant while using both of those, go out and buy 10 lottery tickets and expect every one of em to be a winner.

It is however unfair to generalize all people under 18 as incapable of being emotionally mature, just like it's unfair to generalize any group in that manner. Descrimination is a bad thing, wether it be for racial or age reasons.

Kids having sex, as long as they use protection, is perfectly alright.

 

[Liquid Entropy]

Uh oh, here comes the trump:

Play feels great.

 

[Gamer4Fire]

There is nothing wrong with premarital sex. I believe that the antis are bringing up child sex, pregnancy, etc because they have no real arguments and are trying to find something against it. Kind of hard when they have nothing to defend themselves, they go offtopic to seem like they have points when they don't.

 

[PimpLuigi]

ah the moral conudrums, seems like nothins wrong these day.... *topic epiphany stirring*

hey what happenend to Amo? G4f win the arm wrestling match?

 

[Matt]

Say what? I don't think Amo even replied to this topic. What are you talking about...?