Guide Postmodern RNG tactics (knitting & panning theory discussion)

[Vestboy_Myst]

lloD knitting on stream at S@X 128! the commentators call it 'netting' lol. 1:46 and 5:30 and 7:15

 

[Vestboy_Myst]

Thank you to @Fish_ssbm who just made these two great audio files for practicing knitting. They are both for the 7f (YYZ) qdrop which is the fastest of the 5 known qdrops
(reminder: YYZ also results in the 10f and 13f qdrops if you are off by a frame or two, and YYZ qdrops drop the turnip behind you)

This one has a 30 frame buffer between each of the knits so you can hear the (b....y.yz!) sequence. This is the pattern i clearly hear in my head when doing it so i'd say it is definitely worth internalizing. Pay attention to the gap between B and Y
This one has no buffer, so is basically TAS. It is pretty hard to discern individual knits but should give you an idea of how long you're pausing after the qdrop and before your next pull

 

[Vestboy_Myst]

lloD knits after almost every stock in these really good recent sets he had with swedish delight. once he starts doing it twice after each stock instead of once he will be the first top player to incorporate it into his gameplay as intended

S@X 152 WF https://youtu.be/ALPaQEA6yUo
S@X 152 GF https://youtu.be/oRsALoPZkQw

this instance is a textbook example of how to knit properly between stocks. even on a small stage lloD had ample time to knit twice before the respawn platform even appears
https://youtu.be/ALPaQEA6yUo?t=4m19s

 

[Vestboy_Myst]

every off the top kill = 4 turnips with knitting
even on the smallest stage and right under spawn
(~40% chance that at least one of those 4 pulls is +EV)

(slightly related, one of the mus im finding knitting to be the most useful in is vs samus. not because you kill off the top, but because many times you cant do anything else while she's recovering and +EV turnips are really good edgeguard/kill tools. plus it feels like you get more chances at recatching than in other mus)

 

[JustSomeScrub]

Knitting seems way harder than it should be because of the stupid Z light shield. The double jump window is reasonable enough but Z is a very awkward button to tap and let go as fast as you need to.

every off the top kill = 4 turnips with knitting
even on the smallest stage and right under spawn
(~40% chance that at least one of those 4 pulls is +EV)

(slightly related, one of the mus im finding knitting to be the most useful in is vs samus. not because you kill off the top, but because many times you cant do anything else while she's recovering and +EV turnips are really good edgeguard/kill tools. plus it feels like you get more chances at recatching than in other mus)

Based off this video it seems getting 5 turnips safely with this technique should be possible in some scenarios. After all, this is the smallest stage and he spawned very close to you.

Heck even 6 might be possible safely if you know they are about to die but haven't died yet (such as Falco being too low/far without a jump). They might still try up B/side B as most players do giving you even more time to knit.

 

[Sycorax]

Knitting seems way harder than it should be because of the stupid Z light shield. The double jump window is reasonable enough but Z is a very awkward button to tap and let go as fast as you need to.

I like to slide my index finger off the tip of the Z button.

 

[Vestboy_Myst]

I like to slide my index finger off the tip of the Z button.

yes i advocate sliding off as well.

also yes, that is why i phrased it that way. could easily have pulled 5 or more on other stages. earlier in this thread i posted a gif where I pull 5 on bf vs a falco after an off the top kill

 

[CAUP]

I highly doubt those who are good at q dropping are really only pressi z one frame. They probably subconsciously press the doubly jump several frames late to get the difference.

 

[Vestboy_Myst]

@Ryobeat knitting on stream for the first time, he's getting the hang of it! importantly, he told me he uses tap > y > z, which I'd consider the ideal way to do this.

when using x/y, you need to time the press immediately after shieldstun ends for a jump to register. with tap, you have 4 frames of leniency as it is ending, so it makes qdrop oos slightly easier as a punish. it is also way less finger strain than double tapping one button like i do.

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[TruckyMcGee]

Thanks a lot for the helpful and informative guide! Now I can try to learn this to improve even further.

 

[Kidney Thief]

What's the frame data on the fastest possible Float --> Z drop. Been doing it this way for years, wondering if it's really worth the switch. Honestly it might be worth it to do it with float for consistency's sake

 

[CAUP]

It's earlier on in the thread. I'm going to do a write up on knitting I think.

Edit: I don't know if I will actually. A lot of data has already been given.

 

[DarkRijin]

What's the frame data on the fastest possible Float --> Z drop. Been doing it this way for years, wondering if it's really worth the switch. Honestly it might be worth it to do it with float for consistency's sake

5f jumpsquat + 1f jumpf + 1f frame (need to wait 1f before float) + 5f float release + 1f falling + 4f landing = 17 frames

 

[Vestboy_Myst]

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