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Politics and voting

mountain_tiger

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Until the last century or so, voting was a privelege endowed generally only to men who owned property. Only in recent times (historically speaking) has the vote been seen as a right to all men and women of adult age.

Obviously this elimination of sexism and the class system in voting is a good thing, but ultimately it's questionable as to whether or not everyone deserves the vote. For instance, I can't help but think that in order to be allowed to vote, you should have at least a basic knowledge of how the country's government and political parties actually work. Take the following statement:

"OMG Gordon Brown was a terrible Prime Minister because he wasn't elected."

Anyone with any idea of British politics will realise that this statement is worthless, because the Prime Minister is NEVER directly elected. Rather, the people elect for the party to represent them, and the members of the party elect who will be Prime Minister. A shocking amount of people seem to think that the system is similar to that of the USA's presidential system.

And then you get people who have NO idea of what policies each individual party has and how they are different from the others. You end up with people saying stuff like, 'Oh, I voted Liberal Democrats because Clegg is hot', even though appearance is hardly top priority when it comes to deciding which party you want to lead parliament.

It seems illogical that someone should be allowed to cast a political vote when they have no idea of who they're voting for, how their vote makes a difference and how parliament actually works. A potential solution would be to have all people legible to vote do a test to examine whether or not they know how the politics of the country work. If they display a reasonable knowledge, then they can vote. If not, then... they won't. It wouldn't be ridiculously hard stuff, just stuff like the composition of parliament, what each political party stands for, basically the bare minimum of what's necessary to cast a reasoned and logically sound vote.

This probably has some flaws in practice, such as how you would conduct it and potential cost, but the idea itself could work in theory, and you wouldn't have as many people voting for someone for completely the wrong reason.

Would it work, though?
 

Pakman

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I agree that uninformed voters are a problem but we differ greatly in how we see the solution. Not letting people vote would require a governing body to decide that privilege. Whatever organization decides this would have too much power on what party gets elected. There is no such thing an "unbiased" in politics.

The solution should be to get more voters educated rather than weed out all the uneducated ones. I hate politics. But I watch the debates and I read the political articles about the candidates, because I realize how important it is.

It upsets me when people don't vote. They always use the phrase "<some group> has right to vote." To me, voting isn't a right. It is a duty.
 

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I agree that uninformed voters are a problem but we differ greatly in how we see the solution. Not letting people vote would require a governing body to decide that privilege. Whatever organization decides this would have too much power on what party gets elected. There is no such thing an "unbiased" in politics.

The solution should be to get more voters educated rather than weed out all the uneducated ones. I hate politics. But I watch the debates and I read the political articles about the candidates, because I realize how important it is.

It upsets me when people don't vote. They always use the phrase "<some group> has right to vote." To me, voting isn't a right. It is a duty.
Education could be tied in with it. People would be quite upset that they can't vote, so would be encouraged to learn more about how things work. The bias problem is indeed an issue though.

I'm not a politics expert by any means, but I know the basic stuff, since it affects all our lives significantly. For me, I'm not drastically affected by politics just yet from a personal point of view (being one month off 17), but I will soon (i.e. when I start uni) and even ignoring that, the effect of politics on people around me has shaped the way I view things.

Also, regarding you saying that voting is a duty, in some countries if you're eligible and physically able to vote and don't, you get fined. It'd be interesting to see the reactions if that was implemented in the USA or UK.
 

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*in b4 whiny people who tries to be wise say that both sides stink to justify their apathy*

Anyway, you know a voting test would not work because the racist, sexist, and the very partisan places will make the test nigh impossible for people who they don't want to vote.
 

Jam Stunna

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In the United States, we have a history of weeding out "undesirable" voters, and the results were always terrible. There have been all sorts of imaginative ways to disenfranchise people: poll taxes, grandfather clauses, etc.

The one that comes the closest to what you're suggesting are the literacy tests that were administered. In theory, sure it sounds like a great idea: shouldn't an informed citizen be literate? In practice, it was used to disenfranchise millions of people.

Your idea for a test is not truly to test knowledge, it's to say to some people, "You don't have a say anymore." That's problematic, no matter what the intentions.
 

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Voting is usually a waste of time, but I voted Liberal Democrats this year for the sole purpose of trying to get rid of the Digital Economy Bill.

Didn't work out so our internets are doomed.
 
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