PM Wish List

[Sixth-Sense]

Seeing as how the release of PM 3.0 will come out in Winter, I think it'd be nice to make a wish list and see what everyone would like from the next demo

Remember guys, keep it logical, don't just come out "I'd like ZSS with bigger racks mannnnnn" or some other bs, i'll start with my wish list

- I wish it'll feel more like melee (in terms of control and whatnot)

- MUCH better AI (hopefully with better recovery and better DI, i have no one to play with so this is a big wish)

- Not so luigi-like shields, and more like melees

- light shield implemented

- Samus

- Yoshi (I'm just hoping since yoshi doesn't seem like a complex character to balance)

- The removal of Dracula's castle, I want this mostly bc theres not even a catlevania character or trophy (i think) in brawl, and as such it looks unprofessional and makes that one part of PM look like its just some hack, not a full blown community project

- FE now has three characters to represent the game, yet there's only one stage for them (a really derpy and complicated stage if you ask me) so IF the PM team ever realize or decide that Dracula's castle is unwanted (again BY ME) and just plain weird, i hope they could change the stage to be another FE stage

- Smaller stages in general (this seems unlikely for now, but there is too many large stages in PM, just way too many and it usually makes battles slower and gives floaties an edge in terms of recovery)

- Better start up for FD's background, the whole galaxy thingy with meteors just looks strange and not-awesome compared to the rest of the background

- Lucas's dair being changed back or something, bc its a little useless since bair does everything and even better, plus it doesn't even seem good for pressure like uair and fair are

- Roy's entry and taunt animations getting some polish before release, they look a little static from what i've seen, oh and maybe having his entry animation being changed to resemble marth's and ike's entry (where they like float down, looks a lot cooler to me)

- Mewtwo's floating curl-up taunt being infinite as long as you hold the taunt button, would be a really nice treat

- Link's boomerang animation being made so it doesn't look like he's bored or tired of throwing the thing

- Some cooler or more canon-like taunts for various characters that have "meh" taunts (Zard, ivy, Marth's up taunt, DDD, Wolf's "whats wrong? Scarred?", Fox and Falco's up taunt, etc.)

- Hopefully a lot more easter eggs in stages or taunts

- again with the taunts, more taunts that do minor things, not a lot or else it wouldn't be special (i have no idea who though)

- Lylat maybe getting a slightly calmer background, I doesn't actually get in the way or distract me when i play, but when i watch videos with that stage its distracting, plus i don't even use it since i'm not a fan of all the chaos that goes about

- Marth awakening costume as an alt (since it just came out for ssb4)

- Roy awakening costume as an alt (i doubt roy will come out for ssb4, it'll probably be that chrome guy)

This is it for now, i have a lot more but it seems like they are for the future

so how about it guys, what do you want for Christmas?

 

[Starcutter]

there's already a bunch of other threads, you didn't really need to make your own.

 

[QQQQQQQ7777777]

Just because DC is unwanted by you doesn`t mean everybody is against it. DC is my personal favorite stage and I know alot of people who love that stage.

 

[Friesnchip]

Yeah, Dracula's Castle is actually a common counter-pick in team battles, so I wouldn't say it is 'unwanted.'

 

[Sixth-Sense]

Just because DC is unwanted by you doesn`t mean everybody is against it. DC is my personal favorite stage and I know alot of people who love that stage.

Good for you and your people, turns out i also know a good number of people that don't like it and think its just a strange addition but i don't remember saying "nobody wants it at all"

Yeah, Dracula's Castle is actually a common counter-pick in team battles, so I wouldn't say it is 'unwanted.'

-_- god people like to point out stupid things

 

[Friesnchip]

Your major point is that the stage seems unprofessional, yet the Castlevania series has had a major impact on Nintendo history, so it makes some sense to be included in P:M. Hell, Electroplankton in Brawl, which had one game at the time, got its own stage and only had a few stickers, but that wasn't deemed 'unprofessional.'

My argument had to deal with the stage's tournament viability, which is especially relevant to P:M's purpose of making Brawl competitively viable. It isn't stupid, it is a valid argument. Why not try having an actual discussion with people before insulting them.

 

[QQQQQQQ7777777]

Good for you and your people, turns out i also know a good number of people that don't like it and think its just a strange addition but i don't remember saying "nobody wants it at all"




-_- god people like to point out stupid things

How is a stage being picked several times in tournaments count as a "stupid thing" in a discussion about if that exact stage should stay or be removed? also, yes you never said that :nobody wants it at all", but you also said that the PMBR should realize that DC is unwanted and just plain weird (and before you talk about how it says "again BY ME", you edited it to say that after what I said)(and before you talk about how "now that I edited it why are you ignoring that and acting like I didn`t edit it?", I am simply defending what I said before you edited it.)

also, if a handful of people you know hate the stage and a handful of people I know like the stage, then why should we get rid of it just to satisfy your handful of people when a equal (obviously not equal, but I believe close to equal) number of people like and hate it?

 

[Vashimus]

I see you taking notes, Shell.

 

[Fortress]

-_- god people like to point out stupid things

I'm going to rip this whole topic apart, just because of the self-righteous 'me, me, me' tone. Apologies in advance if I step on anybody's feelgoods.

- MUCH better AI (hopefully with better recovery and better DI, i have no one to play with so this is a big wish)

Nobody's stopping you from downloading the wifi-safe version and playing there. Plus, you'd probably be surprised as to how difficult this probably is to implement. Mario's bot is pretty mean, but, I'm not sure if that was the PM:BR's doing.

- Not so luigi-like shields, and more like melees

I don't understand what this is supposed to mean. At all. You want Bowser to have a Luigi-sized shield? I don't understand.

- Samus

- Yoshi (I'm just hoping since yoshi doesn't seem like a complex character to balance)

PM:BR is getting to them. As quickly as they feel they can from a professional standpoint. You're not the only person waiting for them. Calm your ****.

- The removal of Dracula's castle, I want this mostly bc theres not even a catlevania character or trophy (i think) in brawl, and as such it looks unprofessional and makes that one part of PM look like its just some hack, not a full blown community project

This confuses me. Drac's castle is a stage that a ton of people are picking in tournaments as counters. There's nothing about the stage that looks half-assed or 'unprofessional'. Also, I don't understand what you mean by 'makes PM look like some hack'. I didn't think PM:BR were trying to hide the fact that this is a fan-mod, or cover up the fact that it is a hack.

- FE now has three characters to represent the game, yet there's only one stage for them (a really derpy and complicated stage if you ask me) so IF the PM team ever realize or decide that Dracula's castle is unwanted (again BY ME) and just plain weird, i hope they could change the stage to be another FE stage

I guess that's fair enough. But, Castle Siege is fine.

(again BY ME)

Quit acting like the hack revolves around you.

- Smaller stages in general (this seems unlikely for now, but there is too many large stages in PM, just way too many and it usually makes battles slower and gives floaties an edge in terms of recovery)

Wat. I'm sorry, don't people pick those stages so that their characters can have an advantage? I'm sure many Jiggly mains would be sad if all stages were sized similarly to Wario Ware.

- Better start up for FD's background, the whole galaxy thingy with meteors just looks strange and not-awesome compared to the rest of the background

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Moderated=1&Reported=All&Wifi=0&Name=*&ByUser=*&Credit=*&Info=*&Thumb1=*&Type=Stage-*-Final Destination&TypeAlt=Stage&stageListing=Final Destination#Page=1&Order=Downloads DESC&Moderated=1&Reported=All&Wifi=0&Name=*&ByUser=*&Credit=*&Info=*&Thumb1=*&Type=Stage-*-Final Destination&TypeAlt=Stage&stageListing=Final Destination

- Lucas's dair being changed back or something, bc its a little useless since bair does everything and even better, plus it doesn't even seem good for pressure like uair and fair are

Go to the Lucas section of the boards to discuss this with Lucas mains. Not sure if you are a Lucas main, but if not, I'd rather hear this from a Lucas main.

- Roy's entry and taunt animations getting some polish before release, they look a little static from what i've seen, oh and maybe having his entry animation being changed to resemble marth's and ike's entry (where they like float down, looks a lot cooler to me)

This has already been confirmed to be in the works as a tune-up. Besides, Roy's been in an exclusive version of the game for, like, three weeks now. Of course he's not going to be perfect right off the bat.

(looks a lot cooler to me)

STOP THAT, STOP THAT, STOP THAT, STOP THAT.

- Link's boomerang animation being made so it doesn't look like he's bored or tired of throwing the thing

Leave my main alone. He's fine.

- Some cooler or more canon-like taunts for various characters that have "meh" taunts (Zard, ivy, Marth's up taunt, DDD, Wolf's "whats wrong? Scarred?", Fox and Falco's up taunt, etc.)

"What's the matta', scared?" is one of the best taunts in the game, what are you talking about? Plus, if you want more 'canon' taunts, go figure out how to replace taunts with victory poses; I did.

- Lylat maybe getting a slightly calmer background, I doesn't actually get in the way or distract me when i play, but when i watch videos with that stage its distracting, plus i don't even use it since i'm not a fan of all the chaos that goes about

Granted, a lot of people share that opinion, but damn; cut it out with the 'me, me, me' tone.

- Marth awakening costume as an alt (since it just came out for ssb4)

Wrong thread.

- Roy awakening costume as an alt (i doubt roy will come out for ssb4, it'll probably be that chrome guy)

'Crom'; wrong thread.

Good for you and your people, turns out i also know a good number of people that don't like it and think its just a strange addition but i don't remember saying "nobody wants it at all"

Dracula's castle is unwanted (again BY ME) and just plain weird

Wanna run that by me one more time?

 

[MonkUnit]

@shields, he was referring to how shields function in pm. in pm/brawl, there is more shield pushback than melee. it's really noticeable. it's why some things are harder to shield grab in pm than in melee because you slide further.

 

[Fortress]

@shields, he was referring to how shields function in pm. in pm/brawl, there is more shield pushback than melee. it's really noticeable. it's why some things are harder to shield grab in pm than in melee because you slide further.

Now that I know about. But, still, the "more like melee, do more stuff that melee did, be melee" kind of stuff gets me in a hissy.

Nothing I can say here really means too much. I mean, you're PM:BR; PMBR gonna do what PMBR's gonna do.

 

[Cubelarooso]

-my two front teeth
That's all.

 

[Sixth-Sense]

Your major point is that the stage seems unprofessional, yet the Castlevania series has had a major impact on Nintendo history, so it makes some sense to be included in P:M. Hell, Electroplankton in Brawl, which had one game at the time, got its own stage and only had a few stickers, but that wasn't deemed 'unprofessional.'

My argument had to deal with the stage's tournament viability, which is especially relevant to P:M's purpose of making Brawl competitively viable. It isn't stupid, it is a valid argument. Why not try having an actual discussion with people before insulting them.

Didn't call you stupid, the fact that you and mister Q would just call this out as if i wanted a discussion about this is dumb, i just want to know what you would like in the new PM in general, that's the major point, not if dracula's castle should stay or not.

How is a stage being picked several times in tournaments count as a "stupid thing" in a discussion about if that exact stage should stay or be removed? also, yes you never said that :nobody wants it at all", but you also said that the PMBR should realize that DC is unwanted and just plain weird (and before you talk about how it says "again BY ME", you edited it to say that after what I said)(and before you talk about how "now that I edited it why are you ignoring that and acting like I didn`t edit it?", I am simply defending what I said before you edited it.)

also, if a handful of people you know hate the stage and a handful of people I know like the stage, then why should we get rid of it just to satisfy your handful of people when a equal (obviously not equal, but I believe close to equal) number of people like and hate it?

This is a wish list, a thread i made bc i was generally curious about what the rest of you would like to see that hasn't already been confirmed. My wish list is based on my personal opinions, not a discussion about stages, and i edited bc i thought it would already be self-explanatory the fact that it's a freakin' opinion of mine, what do i have to put "THE FOLLOWING LIST OF THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN THE NEW PM ARE SOLELY OPINION BASED, INCLUDING EXPLANATION" at the very top? I said what i would like and the thought process i had behind it, plus all i really suggested was for it to be changed to a FE stage, which has WAY more influence and importance in Nintendo

Jesus man, i'm surprised you didn't point out "well HOW DO YOU KNOW that PM is coming out in Winter? Are you a part of the team? I don't think you should say it unless you know-wait you know what, i want a PMBR member to confirm this" god

 

[Fortress]

FE > Castlevaina in terms of importance to Nintendo.

Now I know you're kidding.

 

[Friesnchip]

If this topic was made just so you can list some personal desires for P:M, and NOT have people talk about it with you, then go open up notepad and start typing. Forums are designed for user-to-user discussion, just in case you didn't know.

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

bro it's a wish list some kid may want barbies for christmas and some may want legos so calm down. You don't have to tell the kid who likes barbies or legos how superior your taste in toys is. It doesn't matter and it's all taste. you're all going to get socks and knitted sweaters anyway.

 

[Sixth-Sense]

If a mod would be so kind, i'd like this to be locked simply bc a lot of people seem to not know that i'm speaking for myself and not popular opinion, and that i would just like to see what everyone else would like

 

[Vashimus]

bro it's a wish list some kid may want barbies for christmas and some may want legos so calm down. You don't have to tell the kid who likes barbies or legos how superior your taste in toys is. It doesn't matter and it's all taste. you're all going to get socks and knitted sweaters anyway.

Every time.

 

[Friesnchip]

bro it's a wish list some kid may want barbies for christmas and some may want legos so calm down. You don't have to tell the kid who likes barbies or legos how superior your taste in toys is. It doesn't matter and it's all taste. you're all going to get socks and knitted sweaters anyway.

The thing is though, if some kid gets Leogs for Christmas, it doesn't affect thousands of other people who also want to play with Legos. Sixth said he wanted Dracula's Castle gone because he knows people don't like it, and I stated that it is actually fairly popular in tournaments. I wasn't stating my views were superior, I was trying to spark some friendly discussion between two people who enjoy playing the same game. That didn't happen though.

 

[Pwnz0rz Man]

I understand your reasoning for removal of Dracula's Castle. It's not so much the stage itself as it is that it's a Castlevania stage in a game series that has no reference to Castlevania since Castlevania is not a Nintendo series. There are actually Luigi's Mansion versions of the stage, so you can change it on your own, that's what I would do if I found the stage completely out of place. I don't personally have a problem with the stage myself.

 

[Fortress]

Every time.

You didn't like the ones I got you?

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

The thing is though, if some kid gets Leogs for Christmas, it doesn't affect thousands of other people who also want to play with Legos. Sixth said he wanted Dracula's Castle gone because he knows people don't like it, and I stated that it is actually fairly popular in tournaments. I wasn't stating my views were superior, I was trying to spark some friendly discussion between two people who enjoy playing the same game. That didn't happen though.

uhhh you told him to shut up and go paste his opinions into notepad so I wouldn't say that you're totally not at fault here.
Also pmbr won't actually care what we want they'll do what's best for the game. If they dislike it, they'll remove it. you're all going to get socks anyway.

 

[QQQQQQQ7777777]

If a mod would be so kind, i'd like this to be locked simply bc a lot of people seem to not know that i'm speaking for myself and not popular opinion, and that i would just like to see what everyone else would like

We know that you are speaking for yourself, we are just stating our and other peoples thoughts. who here has said "screw your opinion, your opinion is not the majority`s opinion so there for your opinion is wrong! argggg, let the majority rule and kill all minorities!"? We arn`t saying your opinion is wrong, we are just saying that we respectfully disagree and that DC isn`t a unwanted stage in our eyes.

 

[Friesnchip]

uhhh you told him to shut up and go paste his opinions into notepad so I wouldn't say that you're totally not at fault here.
Also pmbr won't actually care what we want they'll do what's best for the game. If they dislike it, they'll remove it. you're all going to get socks anyway.

Yeah, I told him to go to notepad after he insulted people for having different views than him and trying to talk about it. If he is going to act in such a way, he shouldn't be posting on public forums.

EDIT: And Q, I don't think I was saying 'screw your opinions', I was agreeing with your first post, and then Sixth insulted us both. That is when I got defensive.

 

[Fortress]

You do know that we've all said some pretty ****ty things, right? I haven't been particularly amiable, myself.

 

[StarshipGroove]

- heavy shield implemented

- Brawl short hop window

- Claus/Masked Man

- tripping re-implemented, but only on mondays

- remove Yoshi because he blows

- remove Ice Climbers too

- Mother gets three new stages (Mother rulz)

- Huge stages full of traps for crazy free for alls

- Lylat's space ships in the background should actively target the players and pelt them with lasers.

- The addition of Simon Belmont, cuz Castlevania is bangin'

- I'd like ZSS with bigger racks mannnnnn

 

[QQQQQQQ7777777]

Yeah, I told him to go to notepad after he insulted people for having different views than him and trying to talk about it. If he is going to act in such a way, he shouldn't be posting on public forums.

EDIT: And Q, I don't think I was saying 'screw your opinions', I was agreeing with your first post, and then Sixth insulted us both. That is when I got defensive.

sorry, I misread your post and thought you were saying that he shouldn`t share his opinions. I agree that if he doesn`t want discussion then he should just use notepad.

 

[PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP]

my wishlist:
yoshi
ICs
pictochat made into a tourney stage
a pound sign for maximum hashtaggage in the name department
falco/fox tweaks/nerfs

 

[Fortress]

pictochat made into a tourney stage

How would that happen, because I personally love Pictochat, and would be excited to see it made... erm, more exciting. Whale city? All day every day?

 

[OrangeSodaGuy]

My wishlist:

Samus/Kirby/Yoshi
Character-specific Target Tests
Melee-styled wall grapple mechanics for Link/Samus
Pajama Ness as an alt costume

 

[Rᴏb]

Everything before StarshipGroove's post should be deleted, holy ****. Here's my list:

- All missing characters from Brawl to return.
- One more clone engine character? (Isaac, or Ridley)
- Melee shields.
- 1 frame delay gone.
- A better camera.
- Some more stages.
- Updated HUD.
- Updated Menus and title screen to match the new design PM has.
- A new intro movie that better reflects what PM is would be cool.
- Melee-like alloys so that multi-man brawl is fun again.
- Dracula's Castle turned into something a little more fitting. Converting it into a FE stage would be cool.
- Some more spacie nerfs
- Some ROB nerfs (has too many things going for him, I especially hate that he can airdodge after upb)
- An updated OOT costume for Ganon, Zelda and Sheik, like Link has.

A little much, but it's a wish list.

 

[Friesnchip]

Just to let people know, Sixth-Sense has apologized to me for the progression of this topic, it seems there was some miscommunication. So I guess continuing on with everyone else's wish lists would be a good course of action, as it seems some users have begun to do.

 

[Sixth-Sense]

Now that i think about it, falco's dair nerfed would be nice, probably made into PAL dair, idk, it would be great that way if your a spacie main you would only hear half the amounts of johns you normally would

 

[QQQQQQQ7777777]

Just to let people know, Sixth-Sense has apologized to me for the progression of this topic, it seems there was some miscommunication. So I guess continuing on with everyone else's wish lists would be a good course of action, as it seems some users have begun to do.

He apologized to me to and I would like to apologize to him for me being such a ******.

I would personally like:
at least one returning character
better character balance
better ai

 

[GreenMunchkin]

- (At least much closer to) Melee shield physics, complete with light shield.
- Vastly better and even AI (you can only fight lvl 9 Mario or Sheik for so long.)
- Despite not using Final Smashes, I would like the pokemon trainer trio to get individual Final Smashes.
- Ice Climbers.
- More cowbell.

 

[Fortress]

I guess I have to have something.

+Speedier Link

------Higher run speed​

------Lower ending lag on Jab3 (in terms of frames, it's as long as his dash attack), dash attack, and possibly dair​

------Ability to jump cancel bow (jump while charging an arrow), or shield out of it​

------Shorter but faster grab?​

+Minor improvements on some stages
------Not being able to be caught in the bubbles on Brinstar
------Being able to grab the ledges on more platforms in Port Town
------Possibly toning down the damage and knockback of the cars on Port Town
------Something to prevent being easily caught under Norfair and Lylat Cruise
------A less 'busy' background on Lylat Cruise (as much as I love the whole Empire Strikes Back vibe of it)

+Stupid nerfs that I probably don't understand the ramifications of
------Nayru's Love not completely cancelling out an attack that's clearly touching Zelda as she uses it (srsly)
------A little less range on Wolf's F-Smash

+Small buffs that probably aren't needed
------A better indicator of ROB's current charge (brighter eyes or something)
------Wario Waft not being shut down by being hit the milisecond he uses it, to compensate for how long it takes to charge (maybe give him light armor? I don't know)
------Decrease the ending lag on Luigi's fireball
------Beefier bombs for Link (not blowing up when dropped from so high, and able to take more of a beating)

 

[Seraphim.]

Honestly...having Roy playable is all I ever wanted from Project M. However one thing I would like him to have is his Awakening redesign as his alt.

 

[Friesnchip]

For demo 3.0 I would like:

- More downtime between R.O.B. lazers
- New character relevant stages (poor Olimar, he has nothing now)
- Improved AI

-- Perhaps two tiers of difficulty. Normal (levels 1-9): Better versions of the current AI; Technical (levels 1-9): AI that implements advanced techniques like L-canceling, wave-dashing, etc. This will compensate for the casuals and advanced players.​

- At least one returning veteran
- More alternate costumes
- Some kind of hidden Easter Egg that hints at the next possible clone character

That's it for now. I'm sure the P:M is still holding out on new content for the next demo, so I won't ask for too much.

 

[Grey Belnades]

Game & Watch to be more as his Brawl iteration (give him back his Brawl nair and up B).

 

[MVP]

samus. nuff said