Playing like a coward?

[TheKingWalnut]

Most people I play against think "Oh a Little Mac, dodge the dash attack, grab, back throw and then spike!"
One player was especially good at this until after about 2 matches of this happening repeatedly I figured out: I don't have to dash attack :O
So I run up, stop, they dodge, expecting the dash attack, and then I punish them with some Little Mac neutral A. I win and they rage quit. Satisfying.

 

[Mewtwo929]

If you get your stock lead because the opponent messed up then you got it fair and square. No need to give it up. Do you also think that it is unfair to hit a LM who missed KO Punch? Just because he messed up a high risk / high reward tactic means that he does not deserve the punishment, right?

If my opponent sd's at a low percent, I will. I like to be as fair as possible. I don't know what happened on his end. Maybe he had a little brother hit a button, his dog/cat jumps into his lap. Like I said I don't know what happened on his end. As for the topic, I main little mac and I play him 80% of the time on FG. And it used to be a problem, but there are so many ways around it, that it doesn't bother me anymore. For instance, I can either wait them out, or I can run in and grab them and either throw them into the middle to deal with them or I can throw them off and edge guard them till they are dead. He has amazing edge guarding skills.

 

[1FC0]

If my opponent sd's at a low percent, I will. I like to be as fair as possible. I don't know what happened on his end. Maybe he had a little brother hit a button, his dog/cat jumps into his lap. Like I said I don't know what happened on his end.

The most probable scenario is that he just messed up and that you make the game unfair. I like it to be as fair as possible, you like to give and probably receive unfair advantages in certain situations.

Would you SD in a tourney if the opponent messed up? Probably not. So does that mean that you would cheat when it comes down to it? According to your logic where the opponent does not deserve penalties from messing up you would cheat.

 

[Mewtwo929]

The most probable scenario is that he just messed up and that you make the game unfair. I like it to be as fair as possible, you like to give and probably receive unfair advantages in certain situations.

Would you SD in a tourney if the opponent messed up? Probably not. So does that mean that you would cheat when it comes down to it? According to your logic where the opponent does not deserve penalties from messing up you would cheat.

I do see your point that it might make the other person feel inferior, as if the other person was confident enough to risk a perfectly good life. Although, I think the more popular opinion is if I SD'ed for whatever reason at a pretty low percent, it is expected for the other person to make the lifes even again by SD'ing. And no, I wouldn't SD in a tourney if the other person does. But, that is only because it is intended for competition, not just fun. FG is more for fun than actual competition. And don't get me wrong, if I played against you, I wouldn't SD on purpose. But, since I can't ask each and every player on FG what they prefer, I will simply try to satisfy the majority of the people I face.

 

[1FC0]

I do see your point that it might make the other person feel inferior, as if the other person was confident enough to risk a perfectly good life. Although, I think the more popular opinion is if I SD'ed for whatever reason at a pretty low percent, it is expected for the other person to make the lifes even again by SD'ing. And no, I wouldn't SD in a tourney if the other person does. But, that is only because it is intended for competition, not just fun. FG is more for fun than actual competition. And don't get me wrong, if I played against you, I wouldn't SD on purpose. But, since I can't ask each and every player on FG what they prefer, I will simply try to satisfy the majority of the people I face.

Yeah it is a matter of opinion wether it is nice or cocky and I think most people mean well. To be honest it does not matter that much it is just a game but my personal preference will still be for my opponents to go all out and do whatever they can to own me as hard as they can.

The point that I wanted to make was that whenever someone tries a "cheap" tactic against me (like edgecamping LM) then I appreciate their effort for going all out and not holding back. And whenever someone holds back because of unfair or vague rules I do not really appreciate it because it makes the game less fun for me when they do not give the best that they have to offer.

 

[Mewtwo929]

Yeah it is a matter of opinion wether it is nice or cocky and I think most people mean well. To be honest it does not matter that much it is just a game but my personal preference will still be for my opponents to go all out and do whatever they can to own me as hard as they can.

The point that I wanted to make was that whenever someone tries a "cheap" tactic against me (like edgecamping LM) then I appreciate their effort for going all out and not holding back. And whenever someone holds back because of unfair or vague rules I do not really appreciate it because it makes the game less fun for me when they do not give the best that they have to offer.

Totally understood. It has been a pleasure talking.

 

[ZephyrZ]

I'd probably edge camp Mac a whole lot less if the default stage on For Glory was Battlefield, but nope. Omega Forms just have to be shaped after Final Destination.

The only way I can exploit Mac's weakness is to juggle or edge camp, but edge camping is far less risky and Little Mac is not the type of character I want to be taking risk against.

But if there were platforms I could take advantage of, on the other hand, I'd probably try out a more offensive approach.

 

[Duck SMASH!]

He did not SD out of fairness. His SD made the game unfair, in my favor. And since I like fairness I do not want an unfair advantage.
I lost my stock because I messed up a risky gimp trying to take his stock, it was not due to lag or something it was a risk I took to take his stock. I deserved the KO.

Again if LM misses KO Punch and you can take his stock for it, would you not do it out of "fairness"? He just messed up trying a high risk / high reward strategy, just like I did. No need to punish, right?

Besides that I personally prefer to play a good taunter who owns me then a nontaunting noob. Taunting is not that bad it is just funny. If you get angry at taunters then you need to lighten up and just laugh at them. They are just trolls making the game more fun.

Also how do I talk **** to them on the 3DS?

We need to see each instance in game to determine if it was a genuine mistake (like a wrong input) or a high risk high reward strategy like Litlte Mac trying to side B near the ledge to edgeguard last stocks.
Of course if it was a genuine mistake some people will SD recognizing that their death was not supposed to happen that way.
Taunting is indeed light and you shouldn't be really offended by it. People taunt all the time. I usually gget annoyed though when I SD and someone taunts me right afterwards. Like, you had nothing to do with the kill and obviously I made a mistake and paid for it already. No need to make it more obvious.

 

[Tino]

Smash Bros. is a fighting game series where anything can happen. Therefore, there is no such thing as being cowardice even if someone exploited their opponents' weakness.

 

[WorstSSBPlayerInTheWorld]

If only Little Mac was designed well : (

 

[Arrei]

To be honest, I do this to test if my opponent is a Mac who knows what he's doing or is just riding on his super armored coattails. I once had a Mac charge me playing Ganondorf straight into a back throw into Dair spike, respawn, and charge me AGAIN. The fight lasted 20 seconds. If I can end a fight that quickly, I'd rather find someone else to play against.

 

[Antonykun]

So like no one is actually going to give him advice?

Walk Don't run, Running as Little mac is a sure fire way to lose to a brainless "coward" who are waiting for you to fling yourself at them. So don't fling yourself. When Walking LM gets access to ALL his amazing ground buttons with his tilts being criminally underused by most FG Macs.

LM's D-tilt is really good at poking shields. At max range all non tether grabs will not hit you, and tether grabs can be reacted/predicted with a back roll. If d-tilt hits they're popped into the air for a free combo.

F-tilt Cannot be challenged at all If your opponent attacks it so throw one out on an attack happy opponent.

LM is all about defense and patience if your opponent is going to be a "coward" and run away to the ledge slowly chase them and give them no more space to run. If the try to forward roll, D-smash will hit them when their invincibility ends.

BTW use KO punch like a Villager uses a pocketed tree, intimidation. They are going to play much more conservative knowing that if they mess up they'll lose a stock.

 

[Duck SMASH!]

If only Little Mac was designed well : (

This.
I wish that the KO meter gave preference to damage dealt rather than taken. It discourages Mac users from abusing super armor and instead focusing on Mac's ability to weave in and out of attacks.
As it stands It gets so boring because I literally HAVE to switch to a grab heavy character like Captain falcon because my main (Bowser Jr.) has a terrible grab and cannot compete with Little Mac's super armor, rendering Aerial approaches useless against his Usmash... and he's too fast to spam projectiles too...
Screw little Mac's design (And Bowser Jr's molasses slow grab that takes twice as long as other characters...)

 

[Antonykun]

This.
I wish that the KO meter gave preference to damage dealt rather than taken. It discourages Mac users from abusing super armor and instead focusing on Mac's ability to weave in and out of attacks.
As it stands It gets so boring because I literally HAVE to switch to a grab heavy character like Captain falcon because my main (Bowser Jr.) has a terrible grab and cannot compete with Little Mac's super armor, rendering Aerial approaches useless against his Usmash... and he's too fast to spam projectiles too...
Screw little Mac's design (And Bowser Jr's molasses slow grab that takes twice as long as other characters...)

Wait are you spamming Morton Bowser Jr's Projectiles? They're pretty bad to spam with

 

[Duck SMASH!]

Wait are you spamming Morton Bowser Jr's Projectiles? They're pretty bad to spam with

Well... the cannonball is useless. But I usually try my best to keep a mechakoopa on the field at all times vs Little Mac. But he does one slip counter or powershield or even uses his smashes to go through it without being fazed if I try to kart dash at the same time...
Every match vs a good little mac player (not a FG scrub) has been an exercise in frustration as Bowser Jr.

 

[Diamond DHD]

BTW use KO punch like a Villager uses a pocketed tree, intimidation. They are going to play much more conservative knowing that if they mess up they'll lose a stock.

It doesn't work as well, Little Mac's KO punch only lasts for a few seconds and then it'll be lost if he's hit just once, while it's good for intimidation, it's worth getting it out there otherwise it's just a waste, since one projectile or jab will beat him out of it. Villager can lose the tree as well, but there isn't as much pressure to use it since it lasts a lot longer.

 

[Sean²]

LM is all about defense and patience if your opponent is going to be a "coward" and run away to the ledge slowly chase them and give them no more space to run. If the try to forward roll, D-smash will hit them when their invincibility

I have no qualms about the best way to play a ny character, but I find it somewhat ironic that some of the fastest characters in the game need to use strategy that slow the game to a crawl.