Pikachu Tier Level?

[Brawler19]

Which tier level do you think Pikachu will be in Brawl?


Near-Perfect Tier
High Tier
Mid Tier
Low Tier
Very Low Tier

I say high tier

 

[Kilala]

I say High tier too

 

[Rakath]

Pikachu will probably be mid-high tier. If he's high tier its because he stole Peach's spot in melee.

He's got moves, and skills, and regained his Thunder (literally). However he's not looking to snipe out the cheapness of Space animals, Tipper Marth, Flying cheapness (Robot/Meta/Pit), and Heavyweight POWAH (Dedede and Ike). He's probably mid tier unless his new D-Smash and air game completely removes Peach's usefulness.

 

[h1roshi]

all i have to say is that pika definitely moved up from the last list. but no, she wont be high tier. probbaly mid- mid-high...peace

-hiro

 

[Brawler19]

Pikachu is a he....

 

[PltnmNgl]

Since there are hardly any pikachu's, I won't say high. Keep in mind the tier list is all about tourney wins. That's it. Not how good the character is.

 

[pikachun00b7]

It is impossible to say.The game is not even released in the US yet!
But Pikachu is buffed so my guess is mid tier.

 

[djgwiz]

If used right I would guess high tier but sense pikachu is hardly used(and usually when used, is by someone who sucks at smash) i'm going to say mid

 

[everlasting yayuhzz]

The ****ing game isn't even out yet in America, not to mention there isn't even a meta-game going on yet. Most people haven't ever played, and the people who have are still getting a feel for it. Stop caring so much about tiers people.

 

[Turtlefox]

Yeah, i agree with yahyuhz.. but I'd say mid-low tier... From what I played so far, he really doesn't seem all that great to be high tier (marth kept giving it to me hard ; ) ) But I only played 2v2s so far and managed to get a avg of 3-4 kills a game (3 stock)

 

[mcquee23]

The ****ing game isn't even out yet in America, not to mention there isn't even a meta-game going on yet. Most people haven't ever played, and the people who have are still getting a feel for it. Stop caring so much about tiers people.

But... but I have to know! Tiers > Life!

 

[Brawler19]

If used right I would guess high tier but sense pikachu is hardly used(and usually when used, is by someone who sucks at smash) i'm going to say mid

Yea I agree I dont know why pros dont use pikachu he has good knockback,good speed and good range well I thats just me.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Since there are hardly any pikachu's, I won't say high. Keep in mind the tier list is all about tourney wins. That's it. Not how good the character is.

And tourney wins comes from a good character.

There are enough people who play smash for there to be a couple really good players for every character. As the meta-game develops it will be obvious that certain characters are superior and they will tend to win tournaments.

 

[IrishSheikah]

I'll say semi-high tier

 

[Gimpyfish62]

i say please please dont discuss tiers before the game is even out in the states
ugh.

 

[joeysmash]

i say please please dont discuss tiers before the game is even out in the states
ugh.

The Lord has spoken. ALL HAIL THE GREAT GIMPYFISH

*bows*

 

[PltnmNgl]

Indeed

/thread

 

[Brawler19]

i say please please dont discuss tiers before the game is even out in the states
ugh.

Ok Gimpy sorry.

 

[Darth Ace]

Question. What is a tier anyway? Is it like a class of fighter. Because i always figured it's not the character, but the guy that holds the controller that should be ranked by tier... in my opinion of course.

 

[TehBo49]

A tier is a hierarchy on the tier list. The tier list is a ranking of the characters in the game from best to worst based on the current metagame. Characters in top tier are the best; characters in bottom tier are the worst. Characters in high, middle, & low tier are inbetween.

 

[Brawler19]

Question. What is a tier anyway? Is it like a class of fighter. Because i always figured it's not the character, but the guy that holds the controller that should be ranked by tier... in my opinion of course.

Yeah I respect your opinion and partially(probly spelled wrong but idc) Its true that its really the players skill but what if the character thier using doesn't have alot of combo opitions,have alot of lag in there moves and have bad knockback it would be difficult for them to win but thats just my opinionftw!

 

[[FBC] ESAM]

For the most part, tiers are determined by speed. Look at melee, the highest "slow" character is probably...samus, but she had aspects that she was fast. The slower you are, the less you can do and the less mobile you are, and you leave yourself open for longer periods of time. I think pikachu will by high of mid - mid of high

 

[BentoBox]

Your moveset has to compliment your speed though... Pichu was fairly fast too and look where he stood. I don't see Sonic making it to top tier because of sheer speed. Do determine where he'll be located you'd have to ask yourself how well he fares against the rest of the cast. Too many people just take each individual characters as standalones and claim they'll make it to <insert here> tier simply because of how balanced he seems to be.

 

[Fawriel]

Pikachu is a lousy character with mediocre combos and no decent KO moves.



Now that I got your attention, for the love of god please prove me wrong.

 

[Brawler19]

Pikachu is a lousy character with mediocre combos and no decent KO moves.



Now that I got your attention, for the love of god please prove me wrong.

Ok first of all thats just your frikkin opinion about Pikachu being a lousy character just cus you dont like him doesn't mean you have to come on the Pikachu boards flaming him secondly go on youtube and type in pikachu combo vid click on the very first vid by Teh Rudechu it will be intresting to see what u sum up in your tiny little brain what your gonna say next.. Pikachu is a great character if you know how to use him to his full potiental like shown in the video no matter what you say so go die in a fire

 

[Fawriel]

...

I thought I made clear enough that that wasn't actually my opinion.
I watched videos, he seems crappy, yet everyone's calling him good, and I want to see proof because I don't WANT him to be crappy because I LIKE him.


Now that I spelled it out for you, wash your mouth and let's get back on topic.
Pikachu = ?

 

[TehBo49]

Pikachu is a lousy character with mediocre combos and no decent KO moves.



Now that I got your attention, for the love of god please prove me wrong.

1. Pikachu is a fast, agile character with many decent aerials & good tilts. Yes he has good combos.

2. No decent KO moves? What about f-smash (or if your talking about melee, u-smash & tail spike).


On topic: I think pikachu will be somewhere in high or middle tier.

 

[Fawriel]

... I can't believe you also didn't catch that that wasn't my opinion. Is it just my tiredness that makes the irony seem so very obvious? I mean, I practically begged for you to prove me wrong?


Well, from what I saw, the fsmash has decent range ( good, considering it's one of his attacks ), but either it needs to be carefully sweetspotted or it has pretty mediocre killing power.
And I get the impression that his combos only work on characters who don't outrange him, which would mean that he's weak against exactly those characters who are already going to be overused, Marth, Pit, Ike and so forth.

 

[Brawler19]

...

I thought I made clear enough that that wasn't actually my opinion.
I watched videos, he seems crappy, yet everyone's calling him good, and I want to see proof because I don't WANT him to be crappy because I LIKE him.


Now that I spelled it out for you, wash your mouth and let's get back on topic.
Pikachu = ?

So.... you claim that you like him yet you come on the pikachu broads saying that he's a crappy character im confused anyway im my opinion and many other people's opinion Pikachu = a good character with good speed nice combo ability great range that doesn't get any respect for some reason so im done say what you wanna say im done.ftw.

 

[Fawriel]

I said that he was crappy, then immediately revoked that statement by saying that I did it to catch your attention and that I want to be proven wrong. It's a stylistic means. I just like talking in fancy roundabout ways like that.
But I guess I should just shut up or say what I wanna say in simple terms if it turns out like this. ._.

 

[TehBo49]

Well, from what I saw, the fsmash has decent range ( good, considering it's one of his attacks ), but either it needs to be carefully sweetspotted or it has pretty mediocre killing power.
And I get the impression that his combos only work on characters who don't outrange him, which would mean that he's weak against exactly those characters who are already going to be overused, Marth, Pit, Ike and so forth.

So what? Marth's & Dedede's f-smashes have to be sweetspotted too. And anyway, that was just the only move I could think of at the time. There's also dair, nair, thunder, possibly u-smash.

As for range, it's not as bad as it used to be (in fact alot better). Besides, if he does have a range disadvantage, he can make up for it with his speed.

 

[Agosta44]

I main Pikachu is Melee, and everything about him is buffed, except for the killing power of his Usmash. He's not crappy. At all. He's definately High-Top tier material.

 

[Brawler19]

I main Pikachu is Melee, and everything about him is buffed, except for the killing power of his Usmash. He's not crappy. At all. He's definately High-Top tier material.

Thank You!FTW!

 

[BentoBox]

I main Pikachu is Melee, and everything about him is buffed, except for the killing power of his Usmash. He's not crappy. At all. He's definately High-Top tier material.

Stfu, seriously.

I'm srsly getting annoyed by the flood of unknowledable people on these boards that think that <insert random char here> as the slighest chance at making it to top tier, when they have no clue about what tiers lists even represent and came about to be made. I swear there's a guy in every single character's sub-forum saying that they'll be high tier. YOU DON'T KNOW. Practically every character got buffed from their melee counterparts. Stop being so ignorant. Thanks.

 

[T0MMY]

i say please please dont discuss tiers before the game is even out in the states
ugh.

You just don't want it brought up that my evolved Pichu destroyed your Bowser >:^D
Pikachu's tier > Bowser's tier

 

[Fircoal]

I think/hope he'll be high tier.

 

[Anther]

From what I've seen he seems to be in a worse off state vs other characters compared to how he could do against the better ones in Melee. We'll see how pika progresses through his first couple tourneys after release though. I def haven't seen anything that makes him look close to on par with DDD, marth, Pit, or Metaknight though o.O.

 

[Big Burn]

it is so weird to finally see mediocre characters from melee rise again in the tiers... i mean nothing is for sure but pickchu def seems better...

 

[Ledger_Damayn]

it is so weird to finally see mediocre characters from melee rise again in the tiers... i mean nothing is for sure but pickchu def seems better...

*facepalm*

Words cannot describe the epic fail that can be found in this post.

It goes to show, if enough people congregate and agree on something with absolutely no empirical basis, people will jump on the bandwagon and blindly agree as if the garbage is fact. NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THE TIERS.

Whoever said the thing about every character being better. That's a general statement, that can be made accurate by saying: "Worse characters got better. Better characters got worse, or stayed roughly the same." Thus, just because a character got better, doesn't make them "rise in tiers."

BTW, was it mentioned that tiers are based first and foremost on tournament results? That takes priority over character potential, anyway, so in the end, character aptitude may mean nothing if no one decides to play that character.

/rant

That being said, as Pikachu is one of my favorite characters, I also hope that Pikachu will rise on the eventual tier list.

 

[Doctor T]

BTW, was it mentioned that tiers are based first and foremost on tournament results? That takes priority over character potential, anyway, so in the end, character aptitude may mean nothing if no one decides to play that character.

People play characters that are good, because characters that are good win tournaments. I see what you're trying to say, but if you hate the tier system, why are you posting in a discussion about tiers?

To answer the original post, WE DONT KNOW. The game's not even OUT yet, geez. Yes Pikachu appears to have been buffed, but lots of characters have been buffed also, and there is a whole score of new characters to consider. I'd tend to think that because Pikachu is better in Brawl than he was in Melee (apparently) that he would end up as a higher tier.

So you know, there are quite a few players out there that wanted to play Pika (myself included), but had a difficult time adjusting after he owned so much in Smash 64. The new Pikachu was much harder to master in Melee, so many people gave up and started looking at higher-tier characters that were easier to use. If Pikachu really indeed is better than he was in Melee, people will realize this, and more will play as him.

Pikachu is a lousy character with mediocre combos and no decent KO moves.

Now that I got your attention, for the love of god please prove me wrong.

I knew what you meant Fawriel. Though you could have been a little more clear, most people (especially the type that don't read beyond the first sentence of a post) would mistake your words for blasphemy against the yellow marvel.

Pika is one of my mains in Melee, and I intend to use him in Brawl as well. Very few good players play as Pika (in Melee at least), so its hard to get a grasp for how good he can be. For a while I also shrugged him off as not very good, even though he was my main in Smash64 and I wanted to use him in Melee. Eventually though, with lots of practice, I was able to compete with my friends' high-tier characters quite well.

To truly answer your question, you are welcome to play me sometime on WiFi or something, and I will be happy to prove that statement wrong for you.