Petition to make Dreamland the only legal stage

[Sedda]

...........yeaaaah, so dreamland-only sucks because it limits unique strategies on other stages.

i predict that, by the end of the year, NA will be playing with the japanese ruleset. prove me wrong please

 

[KnitePhox]

stages don't play gay or camp, players do

 

[KeroKeroppi]

I don't have skull

 

[EggSelent]

Dreamland only proponents are usually feeble minded one dimensional fools who rely heavily on cookie cutter Falcon combos or grab gimp only KOs. I heard they also **** babies, steal from orphans, pour highly toxic poisons into bodies of water, set forests on fire, and even occasionally play Brawl.

 

[KnitePhox]

and even occasionally play Brawl.

that's disgusting and i'm not going to sugar coat it, i'm pissed.

 

[NovaSmash]

Dreamland only proponents are usually feeble minded one dimensional fools who rely heavily on cookie cutter Falcon combos or grab gimp only KOs. I heard they also **** babies, steal from orphans, pour highly toxic poisons into bodies of water, set forests on fire, and even occasionally play Brawl.

"feeble minded one dimensional fools who rely heavily on cookie cutter Falcon combos"

and all u do is air camp and do the most obvious dair uptilt combos with jiggs, u have no room to talk. the hypocrisy level in this community is amazing

Bottom line is, either make tourneys dreamland only or bring back hyrule

 

[Herbert Von Karajan]

In the Apex ruleset, Since Dreamland is the first stage AND Neutral (So you can always counterpick to it), going all DL makes sense.

A match goes like this:
(1) Doubleblind pick. Most likely each person picks their best DL character.
(2) You win, then the other person can counterpick to a different stage.
(3) At this point, you could just rage quit right away and tell the other person that they win that match.
(4) Now you pick Dreamland again, and then they choose their character, then you get to counterpick that character.
(5) Have fun winning on DL again.

So with this ruleset all that matters is who is best on dreamland anyways.
From a TO's perspective, if there are over 200 people, ya might as well make it best of 1.

I think these might be possible apex rulesets, especially if there are more than 200 people.
(A) B03, 4 stock, Double Elim, DL only
(B) B01, 5 stock, Double Elim, DL only
(C) B03, 5 stock, Single Elim Pools, DL only
(D) B03, 4 stock, Single Elim Pools, DL only
(E) B01, 4 stock, Single Elim Pools, DL only
I dont see B03, 5 stock, Double Elim, ???. happening.

You MIGHT see some level picking freedom if Peru shows up.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Either Peru and/or Isai using Fox.

I'd prefer 2/3 with this game. 1 mistake and you can lose a stock, kinda bad idea for Best of 1.

I like A the best.

 

[Herbert Von Karajan]

Either Peru and/or Isai using Fox.

I'd prefer 2/3 with this game. 1 mistake and you can lose a stock, kinda bad idea for Best of 1.

I like A the best.

I like D the best

 

[Annex]

I like D the best

 

[Chaostatic]

(2) You win, then the other person can counterpick to a different stage.
(5) Have fun winning on DL again.

because winning the first game on dream land means that you'll literally never lose there ever again

lol noooooooo

 

[Sedda]

Yeah I don't see why you'd think that losing on dreamland once means you'll lose every other time. This isn't Melee FD. Peach's and Congo's fine.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

There are also many people who adapt to each other in sets. One of the better things about the community and matchups is how people adopt. A single match shows that one person properly played those 4 stocks, so yeah, A and D are the best. What matters most is how many people are registering for an event. If it is possible to easily host a double elim event, then you probably should.

Also, in terms of anyone arguing for Single Elim, there is one specific player that I would mention that is a legit reason why it should be double elim: Tacos

Tacos faced Isai 3rd round of pools, losing. In other words, he would have made top 16 in a pool.

Instead, he climbed through Loser's bracket and ended up getting 5th at Apex.

Tacos won SEVEN sets in losers. This wouldn't have happened in single Elimination.

 

[mixa]

One of the better things about the community and matchups is how people adopt.

our community is so caring. one time though i passed by the adoption center and it was filled with sad monkeys. no one wanted them.
i heard some of them used their ties to end the suffering of never being chosen.
kids these days think it's bad to be the last selected in the ball game.
kids don't know about dankey kongers.

 

[Maliki]

There's a lot of good arguments in here at first i came into this thread thinking dreamland only for sure. But after reading it all I'm not sure I'm leaning toward the side that keeps Congo and peaches now.

 

[Sedda]

In the Apex ruleset, Since Dreamland is the first stage AND Neutral (So you can always counterpick to it), going all DL makes sense.

A match goes like this:
(1) Doubleblind pick. Most likely each person picks their best DL character.
(2) You win, then the other person can counterpick to a different stage.
(3) At this point, you could just rage quit right away and tell the other person that they win that match.
(4) Now you pick Dreamland again, and then they choose their character, then you get to counterpick that character.
(5) Have fun winning on DL again.

So with this ruleset all that matters is who is best on dreamland anyways.
From a TO's perspective, if there are over 200 people, ya might as well make it best of 1.

I think these might be possible apex rulesets, especially if there are more than 200 people.
(A) B03, 4 stock, Double Elim, DL only
(B) B01, 5 stock, Double Elim, DL only
(C) B03, 5 stock, Single Elim Pools, DL only
(D) B03, 4 stock, Single Elim Pools, DL only
(E) B01, 4 stock, Single Elim Pools, DL only
I dont see B03, 5 stock, Double Elim, ???. happening.

You MIGHT see some level picking freedom if Peru shows up.

Dude I just read over this whole thread again. How did you go from saying "if you want to play DL only, go to Japan" to 5 choices of DL only rulesets???????

 

[mixa]

back then he was 'murican, now he's wapanese

 

[Herbert Von Karajan]

Dude I just read over this whole thread again. How did you go from saying "if you want to play DL only, go to Japan" to 5 choices of DL only rulesets???????

The second part was just speculation for what the next Apex ruleset might look like, separate from the first part.

I'm pretty certain it will be dreamland only.

 

[O.o-RITH-o.O]

First of all, i saw mixa saying that brazilians basically don't think about this matter and that we're clueless, and he's completely wrong (obviously, since he have no access to the brazilian discussion forum), yes, we had many discussions about stages, and i'm not in the mood to explain a lot right now, since i know that you'll ignore and go DL only, but let's just say that we value the concept of strategy and counterpicking instead of jumping to the same stage everytime.

I saw some people talking about dreamland favoring char diversity, and i couldn't disagreed more, honestly.
If you check, the apex top 8 and most of the japanese tournaments have an insane amount of falcons, pikachus and yoshis (for NA) and falcon,pikachu and kirby (for ***, yep, there's jousuke and a few others, but if you go for the big picture, there's very little char variation in the top positions)

The argument that kongo jungle is too dark is kinda ridiculous to me, i've never saw anyone complain, expecially if you ban black samus and black dk, and peach's is better for some chars then in DL, depending on the MU... at the very least you can try something different that you are good at, like isai when lost to dexter and went to peach's for the second match, or ruoka using his luigi in hirule.

how many foxies, nesses, links, dks, samuses,marios, luigis we had doing well in the apex?
how many pikachus, kirbys and falcons?

DL = Char diversity? really? i mean... really?

Anyways, you should really think deeply about this stage thing, i feel like there's a lot of people overestimating japan, when in reallity they sent their best players to the apex, apart from jousuke, and they did fine in some cases and great in others, but it's not like everyone there is amazing, if you watch videos outside of the top8.
And we don't really know who wrote their rules, if the top players had any say in the matter or didn't wanna get very involved (like isai,boom, and other top players didn't said much if anything about this discussion, expecially using arguments and discussing for a while with others). For all we know they could just be playing in one stage because they are culturally configured to do so, with absolutely no thought involved at all.As they do in MELEE by the way.

 

[duncs]

wheres the legalise marijuana option?

 

[THE_MAAFIA]

I think "Congo's too dark" is just BS so that I can't choose the stage, like seriously, have fun on other stages, it sickens me to watch online players go straight to dream land, and when I try to pick the next stage, they go back to dream land

 

[jimmyjoe]

I really miss the old Apex ruleset.
I think it's time to lift this silly Hyrule ban and get back to some stage diversity. The way things are going everyone is starting to play Falcon in tournament and it's a sad boring world.

 

[Cobrevolution]

congo isn't banned cuz it's too dark or anything. you can still go there, just make sure you have proper colors.

as it stands, for online, just say loser picks stage when you start. then if you lose you can go wherever you'd like. and if they don't abide by it, you're welcome to leave and not play with them anymore.

 

[mixa]

(everyone must abide to) character diversitzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

look how much data ive brought to the discussion

confirmation biasssssssssssszzz

 

[Sedda]

I really miss the old Apex ruleset.
I think it's time to lift this silly Hyrule ban and get back to some stage diversity. The way things are going everyone is starting to play Falcon in tournament and it's a sad boring world.

Yo I bought that Hyrule shirt. I'll be wearing it at tournaments once I'm back in the US. #leftside

 

[The Star King]

I'm not overly concerned with stagelists in tournaments but I do wish people played Hyrule more in friendlies.

It's a fun stage.

 

[Herbert Von Karajan]

congo is pretty bad for colorblind people

 

[stylisland]

I think congo's undoing is that its darkness varies from tv to tv. On emu though its not too dark.

 

[rjgbadger]

wilde hates congo so much that he uses the dark color johns every time so he doesn't have to play it. JOHNS why don't you just increase the brightness, n00b?

nevermind wilde is the same person who didn't know what notepad was on a computer

#TTFUonblast

 

[MrMarbles]

me and TANK decided to gentlemans to Hyrule on game 5 2nd set of GF of the Orlando tourney last weekend. Was fun but Tanklin probably regrets it lol. #freehyrule

 

[O.o-RITH-o.O]

#freehyrule

 

[Radical Larry]

If you want to counter the darkness of Congo Jungle, pick a bright/white color for your character! It's not that hard, actually, and you could very well see your character then; an example is red Donkey Kong and white Link; they would be bright enough to see in the darkness.

Also, I think Dreamland, H. Castle, P. Castle and Congo Jungle should be allowed; they are rather balanced in size and platforming, and all of them have hazards that are easy to dodge, save Congo Jungle since its hazard is the barrel which can shoot you (or KO you).

 

[Herbert Von Karajan]

How do you counter a medical condition

 

[rjgbadger]

just because you are color blind doesn't mean you can't see 2 figures moving along a screen. That's being actually blind.

 

[Radical Larry]

just because you are color blind doesn't mean you can't see 2 figures moving along a screen. That's being actually blind.

^ Agreeable. I actually have images to show and explanations on how to counter color blindness and dark screen blindess on the Congo Jungle stage.

The color differences can make a huge difference; using Blue Link would counter all the effects of the Green Trees and make it easier for you to see your character. For a person without tritanopia and tritanomaly (Blue-green color blindness), it would be easier to distinguish Blue from the green trees in this picture. Though it may not be good to use red for people with protanopia, deuteranopia, protanomaly, and deuteranomaly, aka Red-green color blindness.

All in all, the best color to use for this would have to be either blue or white Link, since Blue would be a solution to the green trees, and White would be a solution to everything since he'd be easier to spot in darker locations.

At this brightness, it would be rather easy to see almost all characters, since the stage itself is, in whole, bright. At a type of brightness like this, it would be easier for people with worse vision than others to distinguish character from the stage itself. Those with a tough time seeing darkness would need this type of brightness seen in the two above images.

 

[Shears]

I think if color blindness is an issue, instead of banning the stage allow the handicapped person to pick the opponents color they find most favorable... Unless they are asking me to change from blue hat pika, then they can go **** themselves.

 

[Fireblaster]

Also, I think [...] H. Castle [...] should be allowed; they are rather balanced in size and platforming, and all of them have hazards that are easy to dodge.

You don't know what the **** you're talking about.

 

[Annex]

Protanopia:

Deuteranopia:

Tritanopia:

 

[KeroKeroppi]

Tritanopia is actually pretty beautiful.

 

[VVilde]