"Perfect pivot crouch dash"?

[wizrad]

So there's this: http://imgur.com/USOW1qa
And it looks exactly like a wavedash. But how useful is it actually? From what I can tell, it's just crouching in a perfect pivot. Now, I don't know much about perfect pivots, but I usually think PP>utilt. Does crouching offer any real advantage?

 

[Alhobbies440]

This doesn't look very useful in the long run but it does look cool. We'll have to see how practical it is and what mileage any of the characters can get out of it.

 

[Jenna Zant]

This doesn't look very useful in the long run but it does look cool. We'll have to see how practical it is and what mileage any of the characters can get out of it.

That's what we said about wavedashing in Melee, is it not?

 

[Alhobbies440]

That's what we said about wavedashing in Melee, is it not?

It looks like a glorified PP, nothing special. Wavedashing in melee has way more applications than PP has in sm4sh.

 

[p1ay6ack]

probably too soon to say whether or not its applications are useful. give it a test run for a while

 

[exnecross]

Is it true this tech requires c-stick on special? If so, lol. There is no way sacrificing the c-stick is worth it.

 

[Newbarktown]

This is old(er) tech. Wasn't useful 4 months ago, won't be useful now.

 

[wizrad]

Really? I just saw it on twitter today. Whoops.

 

[Newbarktown]

Guess I should post the source too. Skip to 13:09

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avr9CQlSqRI

 

[MythTrainerInfinity]

I pulled this off yesterday in a friendly and flipped out. Before this was thread was posted, mind you. :B Timing is super duper strict and I think it is worth looking into.

 

[quepasacontigo]

How is this different from regular PP? Besides smaller hurtbox because of crouch. Does it extend the glide of the PP?

 

[Big-Cat]

Oh look, Korean Back Dash Canceling.

 

[MythTrainerInfinity]

How is this different from regular PP? Besides smaller hurtbox because of crouch. Does it extend the glide of the PP?

From what I have observed it gives around the slide of a regular pivot. I'd love to see someone do some moonwalk shinanegans with it.

Has anyone tried to do the crouch slide repeatedly to see what momentum we can get? I think we could probably do some crazy things with this. If we can increase momentum with multiple crouch slides... I wonder if we could do stuff akin to DACUS.

On second thought I don't want to know what Mario and Luigi can do with this, lol.

 

[kennypu]

I made a write up on this here: https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/...mash_4_tech_perfect_pivot_crouch_dash/cz6ao2b

the gist is:
1st you need c-stick special, turn AB smash off, and (recommended but optional) set another button to special, I used R in my testing.

next, hold the special button (R) in my case while doing something else such as shielding, etc. You can have it pressed down when the count down begins as well.

Now, while the special is held down, c-stick will become a dash and pivot input. In this way, you can do a PPivot really easily by dashing normally then c-sticking behind you.

The gif is just a crouch after PPivoting in this way.

 

[DaRkJaWs]

I made a write up on this here: https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/...mash_4_tech_perfect_pivot_crouch_dash/cz6ao2b

the gist is:
1st you need c-stick special, turn AB smash off, and (recommended but optional) set another button to special, I used R in my testing.

next, hold the special button (R) in my case while doing something else such as shielding, etc. You can have it pressed down when the count down begins as well.

Now, while the special is held down, c-stick will become a dash and pivot input. In this way, you can do a PPivot really easily by dashing normally then c-sticking behind you.

The gif is just a crouch after PPivoting in this way.

Lol I cannot believe there is a b sticking technology I myself did not discover, I wonder how in the hell the japanese stumbled upon it themselves. Fyi I discovered the many benefits of b sticking beyond wavebouncing and b reversing, benefits and techs I have shared with no one and have known about since May of last year. I have long said I would make a video on it but I will definitely do so in the next month. And with this added tech, I can positively say that b sticking is the future in sm4sh

 

[Deviruki]

Definitely going to check this out. Step Marth up a notch. Already messed with PP but this might have some other uses too.

 

[W.A.C.]

Wouldn't B sticking make a lot of perfect pivot combos, such as the ones Void regularly performs, be impossible to incorporate into play? Like if someone used a character like Shiek, wouldn't they be better off having the right analog stick set to tilt stick?

Edit-

After practicing this tech for over an hour, I can't help but feel a lot that you have to sacrifice to utilize it isn't worth it.

 

[wizrad]

I didn't know B sticking was involved. Definitely not worth giving up the A stick.

 

[darkrailink1 (dl1)]

looks really promising to be honest i said that pivoting wasnt useful but now i use it more then i shield and i think it may take time but if as a cumunity if we do these tecs more and more we can put it out there ps looks amazing

 

[Ryoku]

It's deceiving since it's Fox. I've done it. I have perfect pivoting down and I've tried this. It's no different than a regular perfect pivot, but since Fox's perfect pivot is already pretty long (range) crouching makes it seem as though he is sliding backwards rather than simply perfect pivoting. It's no different other than crouching. It doesn't extend range or anything. you can already do whatever you want out of a perfect pivot so this adds nothing new.

I was hoping otherwise, though.

 

[MythTrainerInfinity]

If you perfect pivot with Lucario you almost stay in place. If you do this crouch slide you go backwards about the distance of a regular pivot slide.

Never really understood why B Stick when you can just practice your input speeds normally. I would think that it would help you more in the long run if you could just learn to input faster with stuff like perfect pivots without altering your sticks.

 

[Ryoku]

If you perfect pivot with Lucario you almost stay in place. If you do this crouch slide you go backwards about the distance of a regular pivot slide.

Never really understood why B Stick when you can just practice your input speeds normally. I would think that it would help you more in the long run if you could just learn to input faster with stuff like perfect pivots without altering your sticks.

Didn't know that about Lucario. I guess it's usefulness is pretty character-dependant. I agree with the input thing.