People, there WILL be more Mario reps

[ElvishSpirit]

I want to clear something up ALOT of people think.

WHen someone suggests just 1 mario charater (Bowser Jr, Waluigi, Geno, Daisy...etc) half of the negative responses are "THERE ARE TOO MANY MARIO REPS!". Well I want to make something clear, there will be more, whether you like it or not. 3-5 more wouldnt even suprise me.

Now, how many Mario Reps were in Melee?
5 actual reps with Mario icons (Mario, Dr. Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser)
2 with other icons (Yoshi, DK)

How many are in Brawl so far?
3 actual reps with Mario icons (Mario, Peach, Bowser)
4 with other icons (Yoshi, Dk, Diddy, Wario)

So there. 7-7. Already we got people going "TOO MANY MARIO REPS!!!" But that isnt exactly true. What is wrong with the following pattern?

4/12
7/25
7/45-50

you would ASSUME the 3rd one would go up, but not according to the clueless n00bs, that is right. THey are basicly saying the total percent of Mario reps should to DOWN for brawl. Ya, not happening.

I am going to say this with confidence. expect 9-13 Mario reps total.

End. Discuss or w/e

 

[Luke Groundwalker]

Geno is fine enough.

 

[blerb]

Geno and Bowser Jr. are the only ones left that actually deserve it.

 

[ElvishSpirit]

Ino, the only one I actually support out of the ones i mentioned is Bowser Jr, I just think for any mario rep that reason is stupid

 

[Darkurai]

Dimentio needs in.
He's so awesome, he'd count for three reps.

 

[Bassoonist]

We don't know that there'll be 45-50 characters in the roster, though.

 

[Prince Karo]

I expect to see Luigi and one other rep (Geno/Bowser Jr./Toad/E. Gadd) added to what we got now. Any more then that would be over-representing.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Bowser Jr. is seriously the only Mario character I can still see making it in. And ofcoarse Luigi will return aswell.

 

[SubparSmashBrother]

I expect to see at least 6 reps. (not including DK, Diddy, Yoshi, Wario, etc.)

 

[Kirby knight]

When people suggest dumb characters like Waluigi and Daisy they deserve to be shot down. I'm sorry but if Toad can't even make it into Brawl, Waluigi and Daisy sure as hell won't make it either.

-Knight

 

[Zubyyyy]

Um, Yeah, you don't count characters with different icons period. So far the count for Brawl is 3 and the count for Melee was 5. Geno, Bowser Jr. and another rep (hopefully not Waluigi, I would die) will probabily will get confirmed.

 

[Black/Light]

The only ones I feel "deserve" a spot now Browser Jr and/or Toad. Any more than one or 2 more would just be silly imo.

 

[2007]

I think now that Toad's been deconfirmed (never cared about him anyway) that all the good candidates for Brawl were used in Melee.

 

[SmashFi3nd]

we're probably gonna get boswer jr. and geno (i hope)....and if sakurai starts taking drugs, birdo and thts bout it. i cant really think of another mario character tht deserves a spot

 

[Bassoonist]

In the last few days I've taken a liking to Geno.

If we get another Mario rep and it's not Paper Mario, it has to be Geno. In fact Geno probably is the best choice seeing as he's unique.

 

[Gigabyte]

Ugh.
WHY does everyone count DK as a Mario representative? The first game the current one's been in wasn't even a d*mned Mario game.

 

[silver777]

the only Mario characters that have a chance are Bowser Jr. and maybe Geno.

The others don't deserve it, specially Waluigi.

ugh..

 

[Conker1]

Didn't I just see this on GameFAQs?

Hopefully there won't be any more Mario, Zelda, or Pokemon reps. Let other series' have a chance.

 

[Mckillyou]

This should be stickied.

 

[Zevox]

Um, no matter how you look at it, DK is not a Mario rep. Mario started on the original DK game, not the other way around. Mario is in fact a spin-off from DK's series, albeit one that has surpassed its origins. (Same with Diddy, incidentally - hes even less connected to Mario, being linked only though DK's link with him and the few recent Mario sports/party-style games hes been thrown into.)

I'm expecting 5 true Mario reps, plus of course Yoshi and Wario with their spin-off icons. The current 3, Luigi, and either Bowser Jr or Geno for the fifth. Perhaps both may get in, but I hope not - I'd rather Sakurai spread the representation around better than it was in Melee. Certainly no more than that - after those two, the good choices are utterly dry, and you get stuck with bottom-of-the-barrel characters like Daisy, Waluigi, or Toad; or worse, utterly redundant ones like Doc or Paper Mario.

Zevox

 

[Bassoonist]

Certainly no more than that - after those two, the good choices are utterly dry, and you get stuck with bottom-of-the-barrel characters like Daisy, Waluigi, or Toad; or worse, utterly redundant ones like Doc or Paper Mario.

Zevox

Toad isn't a "bottom-of-the-barrel" character. He was very much deserving of a spot in Brawl.

As for your other statement, I have to disagree with it as well. Don't compare Doctor Mario and Paper Mario. Paper Mario could bring a unique moveset to the game. The only similarity between Mario and Paper Mario is their name, overalls, and jumping ability. For example Paper Mario doesn't even have Fire Balls, making him a clone like Doctor Mario would be ridiculous.

For the record, I do agree with the rest of your post.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Geno's all this game needs...

...I never liked Bowser Jr. but I wouldn't mind if he got in...


Then this whole Bowser Jr OR Geno thing came in...and if that is the choice, Geno 100%

 

[Zevox]

Toad isn't a "bottom-of-the-barrel" character. He was very much deserving of a spot in Brawl.

Please. Hes a dime-a-dozen lackey to Princess Peach, the hero version of a Goomba. How is he deserving of being in?

As for your other statement, I have to disagree with it as well. Don't compare Doctor Mario and Paper Mario. Paper Mario could bring a unique moveset to the game. The only similarity between Mario and Paper Mario is their name, and overalls. For example Paper Mario doesn't even have Fire Balls, making him a clone like Doctor Mario would be ridiculous.

I said they were both redundant, not clones. Moves don't matter to me at all - I'm sure Sakurai won't make more clones, and obviously anyone can have a unique move set if you have imagination. The problem is the characters themselves - both are just another version of Mario, who we already have, which is, as I said, redundant. Theres no call for Mario to take up two spots on the roster, whether its in his normal form and in a doctor's outfit, or in his normal form and in 2-D.

For the record, I do agree with the rest of your post.

Good to know.

Zevox

 

[Bassoonist]

Please. Hes a dime-a-dozen lackey to Princess Peach, the hero version of a Goomba. How is he deserving of being in?

Toad's aren't as generic as you think. There is a single Toad. Well, you should probably take this argument to the Toad topic with Aeris. XD

I said they were both redundant, not clones. Moves don't matter to me at all - I'm sure Sakurai won't make more clones, and obviously anyone can have a unique move set if you have imagination. The problem is the characters themselves - both are just another version of Mario, who we already have, which is, as I said, redundant. Theres no call for Mario to take up two spots on the roster, whether its in his normal form and in a doctor's outfit, or in his normal form and in 2-D.

I can't argue with that, because I understand. However that may not be the way Sakurai thinks. I won't use Dr. Mario and Young Link as examples as they were nothing but filler characters. However many people here think that Wind Waker Link should get a spot. Do you agree with that? He is just another Link. He was mentioned on Sakurai's poll a few times as well, if I remember.

 

[Zevox]

I can't argue with that, because I understand. However that may not be the way Sakurai thinks. I won't use Dr. Mario and Young Link as examples as they were nothing but filler characters. However many people here think that Wind Waker Link should get a spot. Do you agree with that? He is just another Link. He was mentioned on Sakurai's poll a few times as well, if I remember.

I'm glad to see you understand. As for "Wind Waker" Link, no, I do not want him in, and can hardly fathom how people differentiate him from Young Link (incidentally, its amusing how so many insist on using different titles for them, since in-game such a character would surely be called "Young Link", being as he is precisely that). I view him in the exact same manner as the Melee Young Link, Doctor/Paper Mario, Pichu, and so on.

Zevox

 

[Conker1]

I'm glad to see you understand. As for "Wind Waker" Link, no, I do not want him in, and can hardly fathom how people differentiate him from Young Link (incidentally, its amusing how so many insist on using different titles for them, since in-game such a character would surely be called "Young Link", being as he is precisely that). I view him in the exact same manner as the Melee Young Link, Doctor/Paper Mario, Pichu, and so on.

Zevox

A Winner is you! I've been saying that for months around here.

 

[xianfeng]

DONKEY KONG IS NOT MARIO! That's stupid and this topic fails.

 

[thejbr12]

Well if they did put WW Link in, he could be named simply "Wind Waker."

My whole problem with the Link situation is that "Young" Link has been in far more Zelda games than "Adult" Link. The Adult form is relatively new, and I was actually surprised in Melee to see that they put an adjective in front of the "true" Link. I'm not saying we need both, and with the evolution of the game TP Link is adult and so should the Link in Brawl be... But in Melee, they had it wrong....

 

[Bassoonist]

Well if they did put WW Link in, he could be named simply "Wind Waker."

My whole problem with the Link situation is that "Young" Link has been in far more Zelda games than "Adult" Link. The Adult form is relatively new, and I was actually surprised in Melee to see that they put an adjective in front of the "true" Link. I'm not saying we need both, and with the evolution of the game TP Link is adult and so should the Link in Brawl be... But in Melee, they had it wrong....

In SSB64 we had adult Link as "Link" and no Young Link... Did they have it wrong then?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

What the hell games is Young Link in? All the old ones are Young Link? ...I doubt it...

The old school Link is definetly older than Young Link

 

[LavisFiend]

The monkeys, fat man, and dino do not wear the mushroom for a reason....

They have their OWN franchises to manage.

 

[Zevox]

The monkeys, fat man, and dino do not wear the mushroom for a reason....

They have their OWN franchises to manage.

You have to admit, however, that Yoshi's franchise is hardly separate from Mario's - all of its characters are also Mario ones, after all, and Yoshi's appearances in Mario games number at least nearly as many as his own games. And Wario can hardly manage not to be associated with Mario, given the very nature of the character, created specifically to be Mario's opposite as he was - more fans know him for that than for his spin-off series. Plus both started as Mario characters, and remain so to this day just as much as they are characters of their own games.

Zevox

 

[LavisFiend]

You have to admit, however, that Yoshi's franchise is hardly separate from Mario's - all of its characters are also Mario ones, after all, and Yoshi's appearances in Mario games number at least nearly as many as his own games. And Wario can hardly manage not to be associated with Mario, given the very nature of the character, created specifically to be Mario's opposite as he was - more fans know him for that than for his spin-off series.

Zevox

Am I denying that those characters do not have a underlining tie to Mario somewhat? No...

Am I denying that they should be counted as part of the total of Mario characters? Absolutely yes...

 

[Zevox]

Am I denying that those characters do not have a underlining tie to Mario somewhat? No...

Am I denying that they should be counted as part of the total of Mario characters? Absolutely yes...

Which is why he counted them separately from the "actual" Mario characters. They are Mario characters, just with different icons due to having spin-off franchises.

Zevox

 

[freeman123]

I agree that there will be at least one newcomer with the Mario icon. I also think that there will be 2 different versions of Mario again. If Dr. Mario doesn't return, he'll be replaced by Paper Mario or somebody.

They should add Frog Mario from Super Mario Bros. 3. No one would see that coming.

There are also plenty of other possibilties for Mario characters: Bowser Jr., Geno, Fawful, ....

 

[thejbr12]

What the hell games is Young Link in? All the old ones are Young Link? ...I doubt it...

The old school Link is definetly older than Young Link

Link has traditionally been a kid, a young kid. If you don't believe me look it up.

 

[pineappleupsetshark]

Why does everyone put Bowser Jr.'s chances higher than Paper Mario's?
Paper Mario is definitely more likely, because protagonists take precedence over villains.
Plus, the Paper Mario spin-off series is totally awesome, and deserves something to recognize that greatness.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Why does everyone put Bowser Jr.'s chances higher than Paper Mario's?
Paper Mario is definitely more likely, because protagonists take precedence over villains.
Plus, the Paper Mario spin-off series is totally awesome, and deserves something to recognize that greatness.

Geno > Bowser Jr. > Paper Mario because he's just a stupid paper version of Mario...

...the point is not whether or not he would have a different moveset...

It's that he is just a flat, paper version of Mario...who is already in the game


...and because we have proof of Sunshine rep and not paper Mario

 

[CommanderGrit]

Ok first of all, Diddy Kong's first game was Donkey Kong Country, his origins were in the DK series after it had separated from the Mario series, so you can not consider him a Mario character.

And i thinks its absurd to just "have 9-13 characters" just so that we increase the Mario series. If a character deserves to be in, then he should get in no matter what series he is from! Its ridiculous to say that we NEED 9-13 Mario characters like Sakurai has some sort of Quota. I hate to break it to you but that isn't how the roster is made.

 

[Bassoonist]

Geno > Bowser Jr. > Paper Mario because he's just a stupid paper version of Mario...

...the point is not whether or not he would have a different moveset...

It's that he is just a flat, paper version of Mario...who is already in the game


...and because we have proof of Sunshine rep and not paper Mario

Yes, and Bowser Jr. is just a smaller Bowser. As you said it has nothing to do with their moveset potential, it's their appearance that's all that matters in factoring who deserves to be in and who doesn't.

Might as well forget about Luigi, Marth, Sigurd, Wind Waker Link/Young Link, and Ness as they look too similar to confirmed Brawl characters.