Paper Mario Mafia: Day 4 finally ends! Luigi wins!

[#HBC | J]

Bardull, it's only odd to you because it was on yourself...

Alright, you want me to explain in full-detail what I'm looking for? Gimme a sec.

 

[BarDulL]

It has nothing to do with it being on me, I really don't see how fake claiming a positive investigative would give you any kind of positive reaction. Why not just claim a guilty?

You also presumably had me as Town on D1/D2, so you really got me curious.

 

[Pierce7d]

Bardull will be cleared if I am alive, and they kinda have to kill Kary because my power means can be neutralized by being shot in the head. Kary's power will save him from being shot in the head, making him more powerful tomorrow Night.

If that happens, my watch on Bardull will clear him as town (or reveal him as scum). So no need to consider him for tomorrow.

Also, I realized a flaw in the plan.

Also, no J, I don't think that's legit at all. I had the exact same thoughts as Bardull and I am not him.

 

[BarDulL]

You can track me if you want Pierce, but you won't get any funky results. My big concern is that you're going to be hit tonight anyway, so it doesn't help your case.

Oh yeah, I forgot to ask you this Pierce:, why did you think there was a Cop in this game if you were a Tracker and there was already a Ninja in play?

 

[BarDulL]

My thoughts and grammar are scattered and atrocious right now. No one hammer. I want J jailed at the moments. I need to sleep.

 

[Pierce7d]

Bardull, I am noob. I don't know how to balance a game of Mafia, and I would not have known that was unusual. Am I supposed to act like the Cop? Oops?

 

[BarDulL]

Pierce, I will find you in your sleep if you're not Town.

Ok, good night guys.

 

[Pierce7d]

Good night. I'm town Bardull. I have never had the luckiness to be Mafia in a game of Mafia.

 

[#HBC | J]

Bardull, it is called "Closing loose ends." I knew who I wanted to lynch coming into toDay's Day-phase which was Rajam so that would take care of that loose end. You were the only read I was questioning, especially with a Seph town flip toDay. Chibo is someone I feel is much townier than you in this game where D1 you were obv-town, but then during the process of D2, you and Chibo switched, especially when I investigated John and got an innocent. What I was looking for you in terms of results was that I wanted you to try and actually do things and not sit back in the background which you did D3 and only came in to chime in and vote/say something minimal then leave. After the pressure went away from you D1, you faded into the background. Now that D3 is here, when I said that I cleared you as town, you just came into the thread saying "cool" and then left. But then when I said that I had faked the investigation on you, you say "WTf J, you are looking suspicious now." which gave me a reaction of "....?" more of a null-scum read in terms of you just wanting to go with whatever floated you a bit further into the game. The thing I didn't like about your reaction to my claim was the fact that you had no problem with being cleared but if I had used you in order to possible garner a response out of you and others, it turns into making me look more suspicious. You have completely stopped looking at me for what I Have done in the game but tried to hone in on the sole fact of my claim and have turned into Pierce's #1 cheerleader in the senses of his J suspicion he has ON LOGIC THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE (sorry it's late and I am getting annoyed that nothing Pierce found about me was scummy nor incriminating especially with the way I claimed and everything, like my goodness this is getting me a little irritated on the sole fact that people are actually considering lynching me off the fact of me FT'ing Seph last night. The only ones who do not think the previous action was scummy was Marshy/John/Chibo) However, back on topic, the reason I wanted to try and test you Bardull was to see how you would react to be being cleared/over not being cleared which is something similar I did in KvD mafia where I used my cop clear on someone else(Sworddancer) to nail Swiss(final scum) on D2. I mean I cannot put into more words that it was just a gambit and my final card I had left after Pierce jumped the gun and forced most of my hand out into the open where the only card I had left was my freaking gambit I had pulled on both you+John since D2. I mean at this point at night I am running on fumes to try and get it into you twos heads that I am not scum and nothing I have done w.r.t. this claim have been scummy nor out of character for how my play has been. You guys just think as such because you are running on this conspiracy theory that I might very possibly be Mafia which does not make sense at all with my play when talking about Ronike and also the fact that I FT'd ADUMB (who was mafia, I know this is only a glaring point through my eyes but seriously?) Bardull, I was purely looking for the intent of your posts and see what you were going to do with what I was executing with my plan, especially since Seph had a continuous scum-read on you since D1 even though he recanted it a bit. There was no one else I could possibly gambit on either because Rajam is caught up in catch-up land OR the simple fact that he is scum and we are all just wringing each others necks over a game that could very well be over just by Rajam's lynch. If it isn't we have a plan that keeps Marshy alive till endgame, and it gives me/Pierce opportunities to investigate. In fact, we should probably mass-claim in order to find out if we have any more PRs that could possibly also help us figure this mess out. Though if Rajam claims PR, there is like little that can do to save him from being lynched toDay. I really do not know how to explain this more clearly, the reason I gambitted on you was to figure out exactly what happens and I feel that if the 5% chance that Rajam does not flip mafia, I could have a better read on your slot. However, I would still lynch Kary>You, but I would lynch you>Chibo. But I would lynch Chibo>John. Like this game is just driving me insane because it should be over after Rajam. If not, sh*t is about to get completely annoying. I would much rather Kary be tracked so I know for certain what goes on and it will also settle my stomach in terms of whether he is scum or not. Plus scum would have to decide between Me/Pierce in order to get a PR out of Kary. I don't know I need to think about the possibility of Kary being tracked, when I would rather it probably be used on Bardul/Chibo and have the other one jailed. That could probably work and we get the best of both worlds in this scenario. I mean what is there to lose in that one? We may lose a Marshy in the mix but if we get a Definite on one of Chibo/Bardull then we may be so much better even if we do lose one of Kary/Pierce in the mix because I can possibly get a FT on one of them if I guess right.

I would actually much prefer that when thinking things in greater detail. Kary can jail one of Chibo/Bardull. Pierce can track one of Bardull/Chibo and then we will have a clear on one of slots even if one of Kary/Pierce die. The more I think about this plan the more I like it more and more because it has like a 0% fail. Yes, we should and are doing this. I will probably FT Pierce because from no matter what the standpoint, if whoever Pierce tracks will be visiting Kary even if Kary is killed which nets us the final scum. If Pierce is killed, then the one person Kary is jailing is clear. That leaves it down to one person being the person.

I want Kary to jail Chibo, Pierce to track Bardull and I will FT Pierce.

Okay I think that's enough of my rantings for the night. I am literally writing this while I am half-asleep/laying on my laptop and just letting my mind vent while I try and sort this mess out and win us the game in the off-chance Rajam doesn't flip scum. If Rajam does flip scum, I wasted all my time and it is now 3 in the morning but whatever, it's done now.

I hope that explains everything, I'm heading to sleep now.

 

[#HBC | J]

Omg...that's an ugly post. I am teribly sorry but I didn't have the care to really make it neat and the like.

I like my NA thing a lot a lot though. The only one variable that could stop it from being successful is KaryScum which isn't a priority at the current time. Probably on the same priority Pierce has me on w.r.t. his scum-pool when we have certain things to deal with first.

 

[John2k4]

J, I never knew it was possible for mortals to hear the screams of eyeballs. I just got proved wrong D:

 

[John2k4]

Regardless I skimmed it and it's goooooood.

 

[Pierce7d]

Okay, let me plan this out legit

Pierce
Marshy
John
Kary
Bardull
J
Rajam

I am not scum. I know this because of my role-PM. Therefore I am cleared
John is not scum. If J is scum, then John is not scum. If J is town, then J's clear on town is good, and therefore John is not scum. Therefore he is cleared.
Marshy is not scum. If Kary is scum, then Marshy is not scum. If Kary is town, then Kary cleared J by jailing him, but there was still a night kill.

That leaves
Rajam
J
Bardull
Chibo

Plan is Lynch Rajam.

That leaves cleared
Pierce
Marshy
John

and potential scum
J
Bardull
Chibo
Kary

if J is jailed
and Bardull/Chibo is watched

Either Pierce or Kary must die. Kary is more likely to die if not scum, because Kary's power directly conflicts with a bullet to the face, where as I have no protection.

In all instances, J will be cleared tonight.
This leaves cleared
Marshy, Pierce, J, John

And for scum potential
Chibo, Bardull, Kary

Lynch Chibo or Bardull, unless I am still alive in which case I give my clear on Chibo or Bardull. One of the cleared players is most likely to have died (probably me) unless Kary died. If Kary died, I can give a clear on Bardull and Chibo, and we win the game. If Kary did not die, no new players are cleared. Therefore, I must die, but Kary remains in the game. If Kary is in the game, jail the other of Chibo or Bardull. This means going into night with cleared J, John, Marshy, and potential scum candidate of either Chibo/Bardull and Kary.

If anyone dies, lynch Kary. The only other two scum possibilities were lynched and jailed respectively, so Kary is auto-scum and did not jail. Checkmate. Also, if J is cleared, then he is bulletproof, and will obtain an ability for scum killing Kary/Me.

If any of the non-confirmed power clear townies die, the we have more power roles, and will still result in checkmate.

Now to throw some WIFOM into my own masterpiece. Scum can abstain from voting to get us to lynch J tomorrow after lynching Rajam today. Then they can NK Kary. Of course, this still means that we maintain all our confirms and still have double power-role so we still have upper-hand, but it's their only way of avoiding a checkmate, and I'd rather point this out now than have WIFOM explode in the middle of execution of the plan tomorrow.

 

[Pierce7d]

It appears that in J's mess of a post (good night bro) he has a similar plan to mine, but from his own perspective. That's giving me a townish read (which makes me glad) but of course, we're going to do it my way, because atm, I'm looking just a bit more town than you bro. Claim Tracker with a Ninja in the game and no counter claim versus claim Fortune Mess with a gambit and my track lead you to Seph is like, "wha"

Also, I'll excuse the AtE this time on the fact that you're more tired posting and less AtE but please sleep and post again when you can be more coherent.

 

[#HBC | J]

I want Kary to jail Chibo, Pierce to track Bardull and I will FT Pierce.

This is the plan that should be followed. Pierce, gtfo me please. I am getting restless with this tug-of-war when your logic is full of holes of just Mafia Textbook. It's time to get your nose out of the books and get some field training in you. Not everything is textbook.

 

[Pierce7d]

My textbook NA plan is better than yours bro. That's not a stab at you, it's just true.

 

[Pierce7d]

My NA plan actually accounts for Kary being scum.

 

[Pierce7d]

ALTHOUGH . . .

I do kinda like moving Chibo up to Day1 track prio because POTENTIALLY getting a power role bonus from J is pretty boss for town.

 

[#HBC | J]

No, not really. Because we do not know what PR I could possibly get with me guessing correctly at all and that could counter-balance one of you/Kary dying. Also if the mafia do decide to No NK in order to frame me, it just hurts towns chances more in terms of actually winning the game. Reason being, that still leave Chibo/Myself/Bardull/Kary (in your eyes) still around.

I am sorry if I am getting irritated Pierce, I really am and it is tottaly in game but it's just I am getting flustered. I will be laughing a lot if this was all for naught and Rajam is actually mafia.

 

[#HBC | J]

I keep getting ninja'd without realizing it. Forgive me.

We can possibly clear Chibo and get me a PR in the mix with my plan.

 

[Pierce7d]

Go to bed J =P

 

[#HBC | J]

 

[John2k4]

I know that feel. All too well.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Hi guys, I'm still trying to process what I've just read. I'm going to try and get to the important stuff.

@J:Yesterday you said that your claim would clear you as town. What about your claim and your Day 2 results/actions clears you as town, or were you just lying in order to mislead the mafia?

@Pierce: could you please show me a couple of Kolorado/tracker crumbs because while I had you as a PR I was wrong about your flavour and role.

Some of these night action plans I'm seeing assume there are only 3 scum; this is not guaranteed. Given that town have a bomb, jailer, tracker and fortune teller, 3 scum seems unlikely to me. It is not necessarily as easy to clear people as you'd like.

I jailed frozenmarshy, as you'd expect. I suggested I might go Bardull/Pierce because I am more confident of them being town.

J's claim is hella, super grimy.

I need to think through everything I've read today. Talk to me about a J lynch; worst case scenario, he flips town and that clears John, right?

Please do not quicklynch Rajam, we need to at least settle on a plan first.

 

[CT Chia]

I'm getting confused from all those massive walls of text lol

I need to re-read this not after just waking up

But the one main problem I'm seeing is with all these plans... What if there are 4 mafia?

 

[Rajam]

I mean, the track into Seph is just so unsettling, I can't even say that jailing him is a bad play. Lynch Rajam, Kary jail J, I watch Bardull. John is cleared, Marshy is cleared.

I die or Kary dies, or we will Power Role our way to auto victory.

If there is a night kill, then J is cleared, John is cleared, Marshy is cleared.

We lynch Bardull or Chibo, and Track/Jail the other, and that's GG

GOD****ING DAMMIT, **** JOHN, ****!

Why would you track BarDulL?? The guy is clearly not mafia. To what I posted earlier toDay, consider also #475; that whole post is like a testament that proves BarDulL is not-mafia. I agree with the rest of your actions including my lynch but just remove BarDulL from there lol. Track Chibo, or WIFOM the track between Chibo and someone else although Chibo should be tracked most likely.

I claim Watt, Vanilla Townie

Jailing J is a must. No NKill, you guys lynch J, no question asked; don't even dare to enter into the wifom that that would create. If by then J flips town that will basically leave Chibo as the remaining mafia. I don't think Pierce is mafia due to gameplay and also because tracker directly opposes ninja; wouldn't make sense to put tracker along with ninja imo. BarDulL is clear. John is clear due to J regardless of J's alignment. marshy and Kary are clear due to mutual interaction and marshy also due to gameplay.

If there is a NKill, you can clear J, and basically, as I said before, the suspicion line would be Chibo first, and no one else lol. Seriously all the other people are clear as non-mafia due to gameplay + claims. After I'm gone, it's basically either J or Chibo.

Once mafia is done, and if the game still hasn't ended, consider the possibility of two indies working together, more than the possibility of just 1 indy working alone. Why? Because usually 1 indy alone = Serial Killer. Seph is already dead, flipped 1-shot vig. Nights highly suggest there aren't more NKills besides Mafia NKill. Well whatever, once the time to indy-hunt comes (if it comes) I'm confident you guys will know what to do. Just remove Mafia first since you'll get rid of the NKill too which will be very valuable.

 

[Pierce7d]

While Rajam is serious detached from the core of the game, I think that he's seriously town, is that weird? ROFL

 

[CT Chia]

I think the same Pierce, I don't think he would be doing that as scum. But looking at who is left and with these tied investigations and tracking, I think he might be the best choice to go.

 

[CT Chia]

I don't even know why Rajam is putting me first on the suspicion line after J lol

 

[Pierce7d]

Hi guys, I'm still trying to process what I've just read. I'm going to try and get to the important stuff.

@J:Yesterday you said that your claim would clear you as town. What about your claim and your Day 2 results/actions clears you as town, or were you just lying in order to mislead the mafia?

@Pierce: could you please show me a couple of Kolorado/tracker crumbs because while I had you as a PR I was wrong about your flavour and role.

Some of these night action plans I'm seeing assume there are only 3 scum; this is not guaranteed. Given that town have a bomb, jailer, tracker and fortune teller, 3 scum seems unlikely to me. It is not necessarily as easy to clear people as you'd like.

I jailed frozenmarshy, as you'd expect. I suggested I might go Bardull/Pierce because I am more confident of them being town.

J's claim is hella, super grimy.

I need to think through everything I've read today. Talk to me about a J lynch; worst case scenario, he flips town and that clears John, right?

Please do not quicklynch Rajam, we need to at least settle on a plan first.

I'm not a balance expert but I do not believe there are 4 mafia. Recall that Mafia have a Ninja, a Roleblocker, and an unknown who is probably also power-role since they sent the roleblocker to perform the NK, it would be something utterly dumb for the game to be 4 v 9. Town played spectacularly scoring 2 kills before Day2, but in a more realistic scenario, we would lynch a townie and then there would be a NK. This makes it 4 v 7 D2. Lynching scum at this point becomes hard because we'd need SIX of those 7 seven townies day 2 to score a lynch, and scum could just assert pressure to get another townie killed with 4 of them. Then it's 4 v 5, and you'd need a perfect vote Day 3, and autolose if the vig misfires. That just seems way too stacked.

That being said, I could believe 9 v 3 v 1 EASY

 

[CT Chia]

Pierce who did you track Night 1? I forget if you said.

 

[Pierce7d]

I don't even know why Rajam is putting me first on the suspicion line after J lol

You are Chibo. You played a really good game, but you also are not cleared. Same thing with Bardull. He had a really good day 1. A sadly quiet Day 2, and is having a fairly good Day 3. I am not cleared either on technicality, but I think that we will be smart enough to realize that my claim is legit. If anything, I am cleared because I tracked you and would not have otherwise known that you visited Seph. Tracking is not a scum power generally, and ACTUALLY CLEARS PEOPLE unlike FT.

Marshy is cleared by Kary
John is cleared by J (why John though J, god dammit. Why not give me Chibo or Bardull and just let me lynch John. I bet he's a vanilla townie too. HELL I WOULD'VE TAKEN SANG)

That makes 3 cleared townies. After Me/Marshy/John it's Bardull/Chibo because they played pretty townie. Then it's J and Rajam, who I think also played pretty townie, but this fiasco with J obviously throws him under heavy suspicion. Then it's Kary who occasionally had a good post, but overall played pretty scummy. His claim is the only thing keeping him alive really (the thing Marshy was afraid of)

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Talk to me about a J lynch; worst case scenario, he flips town and that clears John, right?

Unless John is somehow godfather, which seems unlikely in a setup without a cop.

As far as I can tell, trying to clear J through night actions just isn't going to work; Pierce can't track him to someone as mafia would kill Pierce, I can't jail J because then mafia can choose not to kill (and this would only work with 3 mafia anyways).

I am strongly suggesting that we lynch J today; as I said, if J flips town, this all but clears John, leaving presumably Chibo/Rajam as scum and everyone else essentially cleared.

Vote: J

On a J townflip, I'll WIFOM between marshy and John. Pierce will likely die but should track Rajam/Chibo, presumably leaving Bardull, marshy, John, myself, Chibo and Rajam. We lynch one of Chibo/Rajam and I jail the other; sounds like good game.

 

[Pierce7d]

Chibo, I tracked Overswarm night one. As I mentioned in my Day 1 notes, I thought he was crumbing Cop.

 

[Pierce7d]

John is already cleared. When there is 1 scum remaining (and I'm not even going to care if we lose the game if there's still 2 scum, then this game was stacked for Mafia beyond belief) then any playing vouching for another player is auto-clear. If they are town, they would not lie, if they are scum, then they are obviously not lying if they say another player is town, since they are the only remaining scum.

 

[Pierce7d]

Argh, I hate being okay with a J lynch. J is my bro =(

Must. Not. Let. Emotions. Get. In. Way. Of. Scumhunt.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Except, for instance, if J is indy, that doesn't clear John at all.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Presumably Indy J wouldn't claim an innocent on John if he thought John was scum, unless Indy J has a kill of some description, as otherwise he'll have a helluva time winning. But that doesn't mean Indy J doesn't have a kill (as opposed to say, BP), or that J is right about John.

I can argue J being scum on its own merits if you prefer, I just don't really have the energy right now.

 

[CT Chia]

Before re-reading Pierce and J's plan since I hardly remember them from reading when I was half awake, I'm going to write my own and see how they match up. This also considers Rajam's new claim of course.

Remaining players and claims:

J - Fortune Teller
Rajam - VT
John2k4
Pierce7d - Tracker
Chibosempai
BarDulL
Kary - Jailer
frozenmarsh751

J got a cop power and got a innocent on John
Pierce tracked J and he visited Seph
Kary jailed Marshy

Everyone keep in mind that when looking for an indy if there is one, the cop investigations don't mean anything

Based on the lynch pools of Day 1, I'm more willing to feel that Bardull is town and that Kary's claim is true.

Willing to believe that Kary's claim is true, this means Marshy is not mafia.

Based on the order of claims and what Pierce did, I can not see him as being mafia called out J like that. The only situation I can see this is if there are indeed two scum and Pierce and J are pulling out this devious plan lol.

Anyway, this essentially leaves J, John, Rajam, and myself. I'm not going to clear John yet even if J is telling the truth, since if we're dealing with a 3 man mafia team, a God Father is definitely possible.

I of course know that I am not scum. Anyone in their right mind would say this though lol, but take it however you like.

Leaving Rajam, J, and John. Supposedly J is one shot BP. Remember the Jailer both protects and roleblocks. I would like to see Rajam lynched since we have no information or ties to him. I would like to see John tracked to ensure that he doesn't visit anyone and could possibly help nail an indy or if he happens to be a God Father and visits someone. Then J be jailed since if he isn't lying, this will allow him to keep his BP, coming in use later on in the game.

Kary jail J
Pierce track John
Lynch Rajam

 

[CT Chia]

Unless John is somehow godfather, which seems unlikely in a setup without a cop.

Who is to say there isn't more copping besides J? Why can't John be a GF?
All John hate aside, John is by no means cleared to me as seen in my last big post, though I'm willing to not lynch him ofc.