Paper Mario Mafia: Day 4 finally ends! Luigi wins!

[BarDulL]

Oh lawd.

I kinda like Sang though.

My heart is torn.

 

[CT Chia]

Kary, why are you being so gung ho about Sang getting lynched now but weren't so particularly gung ho about killing John?

 

[BarDulL]

It's because Sang seems like a viable lynch target and is the only means preventing Kary from being lynched pretty much. >_>;;;;

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Not sure I follow?
I'm happy to go either... but apparently J has some 'gem' that suggests John is town, ergo that lynch probably isn't going anywhere.
To be honest I don't see how whatever John might've crumbed etc. clears him but meh. If people have to wait until tomorrow to hear John's results or whatever then what good does it do for me to push him?

Oh Bardull have a little faith. Why on earth would ScumKary leave it til this point to just lynch someone?

 

[BarDulL]

Hey, you did the same thing to my slot when you thought it was between the two of us on D1. *facepalm.*

 

[BarDulL]

And you would do it because you want to stay alive. What kinda question is that? Z_Z

 

[#HBC | Kary]

you remember the bit where I soft-claimed a power-role, right?

and, no, the question is if I'm scum, why on earth haven't I lynched John/Sang/Rajam today and just moved on? Yes I want to stay alive, but the timing makes no sense as scumKary

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Like, I can spell out the cases for you if you like:

John: almost straight null, looks fishy on re-read, apparently crumbs something cool.
Rajam: pretty null, does scumhunt but in THE PAST, didn't hammer D1
Sang: least null, scumhunts passively, pulls AtE when pressured, eventually votes me under scrutiny

That's more or less it. Oh, and Sang already claimed VT. Marshy's ok with John, Seph's ok with Rajam & John. Think that's everything.

 

[BarDulL]

Yes, I remember you soft claiming PR, but scum would also do that to prevent their lynch. It's also not a good idea for PRs to soft claim because it turns them into a night kill choice for scum...it's more scummy than not soft claiming unless the circumstances call for it.

You've tried getting all three of those slots lynched, but you don't nearly have enough gusto to push any of those slots to death. You can't really move on if you can't get a move on.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@Bardull, making myself a night kill target is pro-town because it clears up any questions about my slot and doesn't waste a slot

I've not tried to get any of these slots lynched until now I've been pushing a bunch of things to see what goes and what makes sense today, but I have NOT been pushing for lynches, I would've thought that was obvious.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

EBWOP: doesn't waste a lynch

Seriously, I thought we'd cleared up that you and I were both town. I am totally fine being the lynch tomorrow (NOT quicklynch) so I don't see why this is such a big deal.

 

[CT Chia]

This is getting irritating <_<

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I mean, really, I should be doing everything I can do to prevent my lynch because I'm town.
Sang did no such thing, and was apparently fine with dying, how does that add up?
And why does that make you like her slot all the more?

Meh. Lynch me tomorrow, which has been the plan all along.
Unless you've any questions I'm off, because I have things to do.

 

[BarDulL]

@Bardull, making myself a night kill target is pro-town because it clears up any questions about my slot and doesn't waste a slot

I've not tried to get any of these slots lynched until now I've been pushing a bunch of things to see what goes and what makes sense today, but I have NOT been pushing for lynches, I would've thought that was obvious.

Your incentive for soft-claiming PR was not to make yourself a NK choice, it was to prevent your lynch. There is a difference.

And wtf yes you have gone for those slots, you have voted EACH OF THOSE SLOTS at least once today or you've voiced agreement in going for their lynch. WTF.

 

[BarDulL]

EBWOP: doesn't waste a lynch

Seriously, I thought we'd cleared up that you and I were both town. I am totally fine being the lynch tomorrow (NOT quicklynch) so I don't see why this is such a big deal.

Time out, why are you cleared as Town?

 

[BarDulL]

I mean, really, I should be doing everything I can do to prevent my lynch because I'm town.
Sang did no such thing, and was apparently fine with dying, how does that add up?
And why does that make you like her slot all the more?

Meh. Lynch me tomorrow, which has been the plan all along.
Unless you've any questions I'm off, because I have things to do.

Why are you resigned to your lynch toMorrow, but not toDay?

WTFWTFWTF.

 

[BarDulL]

Look, you put too much emphasis on prevent your own lynch and not actually contributing to the group. That's the big problem we're having. You're not trying to keep yourself alive, you're SUPPOSED to be trying to help the group succeed.

 

[BarDulL]

EBWOP:

Look, you put too much emphasis on preventing your own lynch not actually contributing to the group. That's the big problem we're having. You're trying to keep yourself alive, but you're supposed to be trying to help the group succeed. You only really care about the former and not the latter though.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Your incentive for soft-claiming PR was not to make yourself a NK choice, it was to prevent your lynch. There is a difference.

Right, but I wasn't talking about my incentive. Wanting a VT lynched over myself (as a town PR) is still pro-town. That's an incentive.

And wtf yes you have gone for those slots, you have voted EACH OF THOSE SLOTS at least once today or you've voiced agreement in going for their lynch. WTF.

Pressuring a slot, and being ok with them dying, is not the same as trying to get them lynched.

Time out, why are you cleared as Town?

I'm not. I just thought you had me as town from our back-and-forth yesterday. Oh and all of the rest of my play. But if you don't then w/e

Why are you resigned to your lynch toMorrow, but not toDay?

WTFWTFWTF.

I'm a town power role? Another night means another night action?

 

[CT Chia]

Like, I want to lynch Kary, I do lol. I just personally want to lynch one of the other two more, and I think that we can learn more from Day 1 which involves her. I'm willing to look past all this bs and cringe until we can get through the day. While his defense is all over the place and messy, still better than John imo. Only reason I'm not super going at it for John is because of this question in the air that I'm willing to hold off on as you guys said, so I'm all for Sang.

Since we're all just sitting around twiddeling our thumbs, I'm going to start gathering info from Day 1. If anyone wants to, feel free to lynch John and Sang. That'd be cool.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

FOR REAL?

I mean really Bardull, like, what is it that I have done for the majority of the Day today that hasn't been trying to push people and get reads etc. ? If I was so concerned with my own surivival, then like, why did I start a Rajam waggon and then jump off of it? Why the hell wasn't I just lynching whoever?

Unless you have any more actual questions, rather than general distrust of my play, I'm out. Apparently I seriously need to rethink my playstyle of actually trying to read people because it's too damn scummy.

 

[BarDulL]

Like, I want to lynch Kary, I do lol. I just personally want to lynch one of the other two more, and I think that we can learn more from Day 1 which involves her. I'm willing to look past all this bs and cringe until we can get through the day. While his defense is all over the place and messy, still better than John imo. Only reason I'm not super going at it for John is because of this question in the air that I'm willing to hold off on as you guys said, so I'm all for Sang.

Since we're all just sitting around twiddeling our thumbs, I'm going to start gathering info from Day 1. If anyone wants to, feel free to lynch John and Sang. That'd be cool.

I wasn't kidding! Kary really is a dude!

@Kary - I've already stated that your slot is crazy shenanigans and I don't get a pro-town vibe at all.

You're not trying to get Sang lynched because she's VT or scum, you're trying to get her lynched because it would prevent your own lynch. It's grimy as hell.

Yes, you would get another night action, but you're basically ok with your lynch toMorrow? wtf? That's also grimy as hell because you SHOULD be fighting for your life toMorrow via claiming along with your night action results.

 

[BarDulL]

FOR REAL?

I mean really Bardull, like, what is it that I have done for the majority of the Day today that hasn't been trying to push people and get reads etc. ? If I was so concerned with my own surivival, then like, why did I start a Rajam waggon and then jump off of it? Why the hell wasn't I just lynching whoever?

Unless you have any more actual questions, rather than general distrust of my play, I'm out. Apparently I seriously need to rethink my playstyle of actually trying to read people because it's too damn scummy.

This AtE makes me want to rip out the wiring of my computer. You were trying to lynch whoever, dubyateeeff. Dot dot dot dot dot.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Well I probably will be fighting for my life tomorrow, but I really don't think with 5 to lynch I'll be able to swing it which is why I'm prepared to compromise if people still want me dead.

Seriously Bardull, look at Sang's slot. Surely she's just trying to get my slot lynched because it prevents her own lynch? Except she's not actually scumhunting?
The only difference apart from that which springs to mind is that Sang has J on her side in gunning for me.

Oh and grimy =/= scum. You're just arguing the same things as yesterday.

And Sang isn't using AtE? Ugh, whatever man.
It's like talking to a brick wall with you.

AtE would be me telling you you're making the same mistake as in the mini. I'm not even trying.
You just don't care for my slot at all and have a one-sided view of my play.

 

[BarDulL]

.......................

Man, I really hope you don't flip Town for your own sake.

 

[BarDulL]

Chibo, lets get this over with. I'll talk to you about John and Sang toMorrow, but Kary needs to go. That slot is going to be a nuisance and I don't see any good coming from keeping that slot around.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

I'm town.

I think you're hella dumb.

I'm out dancing, so goodnight.

 

[BarDulL]

I think you're blatantly ignorant as **** and you need to not be such a self centered tard.

More votes on Kary.

 

[John2k4]

Waking up to 12 pages?

Am I really the only one who found that gem w.r.t. John?

Hmph.

I feel it's not mine to out and more John's too but if need be I can explain my train of thought for John.

Feel free to reveal it when you please, Jay.


What's Kary at?

 

[BarDulL]

Don't worry about where he's at, just vote for him.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Kary vs Bardull read TvT to me.
So let's get off Kary.

Bardull's arguments weren't that good, but it looked towny. Can we leave those now?

 

[John2k4]

Don't worry about where he's at, just vote for him.

Yeah no. Once I can see the votecount I will vote him. I want to see where other votes are.

@Mod: Request Votecount

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

J should claim. I don't like him being all like "oh man look at this pro town information but I won't say it but it does make me town1!!!!"

No marshy, he did not condemn himself for **** until he claims the information and it proofs condemning.

**** this. Lynch J.

 

[CT Chia]

For reference on Day 1:

This is from when I laid my vote down on Kary, making it two people at L-1 ripe for the picking.

BarDulL (6) Pierce, OS, Kary, Seph, Ronike, John
Kary (6) Sang, J, fmarsh, bardull, Adum, Chibo
Adum (1) Rajam

Rajam was the only one voting for Adum, when he could have easily lynched Bardull or Kary.

We know Adum was mafia.

I don't think Rajam would be aiming for bussing a teammate by being the only person on his wagon, that's just unnecessary. It's one thing to be on a wagon later of bussing a teammate, but being the only vote on there is worthless, I can't see it being a bus. I think Rajam is more town because of this, and it fits with how I think his intentions were with how he played at the beginning of Day 2.

If Rajam was mafia and was aiming for a bus, don't you think he would rather lynch Bardull or Kary if one of there were mafia? If neither Bardull nor Kary are mafia, this only strengthens Rajam's case further if Bardull and Kary are town.


Looking into that lynch pool further... We know Adum and Ronike were scum, and OS was town. Ronike and Adum were both split between the two lynches, which makes things tough to tell. However, if Rajam is town (which I'm believing at the moment), this means that at least two mafia members were on the same lynch at this time. If Bardull or Kary were scum, that means that scum would be playing a bus a scummate plan. Don't you think it would make it more sense and tough to tell in the end if they had all been on the same wagon? I think with the way Ronike and Adum were spit between the two wagons, the scum team didn't really care which way the lynch went. If they were going for a bus, one of them could have jumped ship (like Ronike or Adum) and hammered the other to complete the bus plan. With it panned out like this, idk, I doubt it. This makes me feel better about both Bardull and Kary.


As we moved onto the Ronike lynch...
J was the first one to vote him and get it rolling. If J is scum, then WOW. I really don't see how he can be for getting everything in motion and leading from a Day 1 mafia lynch. That would be pretty insane. A hell of a bus if it's true, but it's just down right bad play I think, it has town intention written all over it.


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That's what I've got from this so far. Def feeling more town on Rajam. Feeling a little better about Kary (and Bardull, but that's a non issue) from Day 1 lynch pools. Feeling more town from J.

 

[CT Chia]

Either can someone bring up why we shouldn't lynch John or can we please just lynch John or Sang?

 

[BarDulL]

John said something as if it was definite, a really staunch opinion, which leads me to suspect that he knows something that we don't. I'm being vague because I don't know what it means, nor do I understand its implications, but I don't want to push on it if J/Marsh think John should live toDay.

My argument against Kary is fine, Seph you're the last person to be telling people whose arguments are bad considering you've had bad arguments all game. Your push on J is like "wat" considering

 

[BarDulL]

continued: J has been pro-town as hell all of D1 and switched to Ronike. Like, look over Chibo's case, seriously.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

My argument against Kary is fine, Seph you're the last person to be telling people whose arguments are bad considering you've had bad arguments all game. Your push on J is like "wat" considering

Wanna make something of it?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

The switch to Ronike happened when I told Marshy I'm cool with Ronike, if we get Bardull later (which I don't want anymore).

Besides, why wouldn't J lynch Ronike at that point? You guys are falling into a simple trap. Don't see why scumJ wouldn't lynch scumRonike. Explain that to me?

 

[BarDulL]

One vote is all it would have taken to have me lynched, it would not have been difficult for J to switch to my wagon via the excuse of ad nauseum. Or if he felt the direction the game was going would cause a Ronike lynch, he would have pushed for my slot or not pushed for Ronike considering Ronike was already very suspicious at the time.