jigglover
Smash Lord
So Palutena has 12 Special Attacks to use, which you can apparently customize, however there must also be a base moveset. There is another threads saying "what do you want the base moveset to be" which is talking about which movesets you'll use. This is looking through the attacks and figuring out what the likeliest Base Movesets could be.
Special Moves and want we know about them:
Physical Attacks and what we know of them:
Likely Base Movesets (will update some of your ideas with reasoning):
Neutral B -- Counter / Heavenly Light
Side B -- Super Speed
Down B -- Heavenly Light / Counter
Up B -- Rocket Jump
Final Smash -- Black Hole & Mega Laser
A lot of Palutena's moves appear to be defensive, which is where this base moveset gets it's likelihood. Counter is actually your main way of dealing damage, which is another form of protection. Super Speed is a nice fast bulldozing-type attack that moves swiftly but deals some damage and decent knockback along the way. Heavenly Light is also nice for racking up damage, but more inportantly, it has the best hitstun available to her, which is great for defensive play. Rocket Jump is going to be her recovery on all of them, since Jump Glide seems kinda suicidal and would be very difficult to control for a new player.
Finally, I mentioned it earlier, but:
Palutena's Final Smash?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZllwYnFwmA -- Go to 0:33
Black Hole & Mega Laser is not only the last "special attack" they showed, but Palutena does a dance like one you would expect in a final smash, and while she wasn't glowing before using it, when the clip cut to her, her dance was already being used. There was no chance of a button input there. It is also much more powerful than her other attacks shown off, and the characters stuck in the Black Hole are in the same position as they are in Ike's Final Smash, Great Aether, and (Toon) Link's Final Smash, that big... slashy... Triforce thing. I don't know what it's called! ;O; Anyway, not only are the characters in the Black Hole in the same position, the Mega Laser itself is reminiscent of Samus' Zero Laser, and actually moreso of a pink version of Lucario's Aura Burst from Brawl. Since the majority of Palutena's special attacks take inspiration from other similar attacks, I can see it being really quite likely that this is Lady Palutena's Final Smash. It takes so much inspiration from other Final Smashes, with things that actually don't appear in other special attack as far as I know...
Dash: She appears to float (like Mewtwo) across the stage. 1:47.
Taunt 1: Her halo and wings appear (seen in the video around 1:45 and in this pic shows that start-up).
Taunt 2: Just her halo appears.
Combo: A multi-hit magical attack with the end of her staff. At about 1:51.
Side Tilt: Palutena magically spins her staff in front of herself, multi-hit. About 1:50.
Dash Attack: Shield Bash. About 1:53.
Side Smash: Pillar of light, has incredible height. About 1:54. It could be her Down Smash.
Down Smash: Uses her wings to strike at downward angle in front of her. About 1:41. (Could be Down Tilt, I said Down Smash because it seems powerful, but I don't know Link's percentage so I can't really say.)
Neutral Air: Staff Spin, Palutena magically spins her staff in front of herself. About 1:56
Grab: Appears to hold them in place magically, she is not actively touching her opponent. About 1:52.
Back Throw: Kicks the opponent behind herself (the kick is very similar to Peach's Side Tilt). About 1:52.
So, what are your likeliest movesets for Lady Palutena? Anything you want to remedy on my assessment of what the moves do? And what do you think of Black Hole & Mega Laser? Could it really be her Final Smash?
Special Moves and want we know about them:
Heavenly Light -- Neutral B or Down B -- It creates a fairly large area of light which rains down onto the stage. This does damage to opponents, but has no other affects such as knockback or hitstun or flinch. It's basically a much better version of Fox's Blaster from Melee.
Explosive Flame -- Side B -- A weaker, larger version of Zelda's Din's Fire which rather than targeting yourself by moving the control stick will automatically appear within a certain distance. Once again, it has little knockback or power, but will definitely do damage as it does have some.
Warp -- Up B or Side B -- Basically Zelda's Up B attack (I can't remember the name right now) but I don't think it does damage (doesn't have any graphical implications of dealing damage, but I can't prove this) and it is travelling along the ground here much better than Zelda's.
Rocket Jump -- Up B -- Think Diddy's Barrel Blast without the charging. Palutena just suddenly jumps up, which even though her enemies were standing right next to her gave them little knockback -- in fact, only to the edge of the "explosion" she created by jumping. It appears to do more damage than some other attacks, but that might just be because it's fire.
Reflect -- Neutral B or Down B -- It's Pit's Down B (that shield thing) in the way that it reflects all kinds of projectiles, it's also like the Franklin Badge. A major difference, to both, though, is that it actually hits and throws opponents away if it touches them. Another difference to Pit's shield is that Palutena can do other things after it appears.
Auto-Retticle -- Side B -- A more powerful version of Palutena's Explosive Flame, but with a much smaller range. However, it locks on to opponents in front of Palutena, and even if they move out of the way they get hit. It appears that you have to dodge or shield to avoid the attack, though this is unconfirmed.
Jump Glide -- Up B -- Is actually unique as far as I can remember. Palutena jumps up about, I would say, the distance of Charizard's Flare Blitz from Brawl, and then glides down in one direction smoothly.
Counter -- Neutral B or Down B -- Basically every other counter attack. Once again though, it appears to have MUCH less knockback than the FE counters, and possibly worse than Peach's Toad Spores thing. I'm thinking this does quite a bit of damage though, because it's a direct hit with her... staff?
Super Speed -- Side B -- Ike's Side B but once again, a lot weaker, and it doesn't stop upon contact. This one actually has decent knockback, though it's a vertical hit, which with the amount of knockback there will mean you can only KO at very high percentages with this.
Angelic Missile -- Side B -- Pikachu's Skull Bash and Luigi's Green Missile (COME ON THEY BOTH HAVE THE WORD MISSILE IN IT! GRAGH!). It doesn't seem too much weaker, however you don't need to charge for it (in the trailer the stance when the clip cuts to it is not charging, yet it flies). I'm thinking this is her first attack with serious amounts of knockback, albeit not that much compared to other characters, but it doesn't appear to deal much damage.
Celestial Fireworks -- Neutral B -- This is a powerful attack now, and is even unique! However, it has little range. We see in the trailer Luigi standing on the ground and an ember of fire lifting him up into the air, trapping him, until it suddenly explodes. This seems to make him pick up damage on the ascent, and then seriously send him flying with the powerful explosion, but the clip cuts before we see him take off. It could also be a fantastic way to start a combo, with actually very light knockback in the explosion at the top.
Lightweight -- Side B -- Uhh.... Palutena runs really fast. Faster than sonic running normally... does no damage and no knockback...
Black Hole & Mega Laser -- Final Smash -- Could Sakurai have really sneaked this in there? Well it does immense damage, and is clearly over-powered compared to everything else. No, Palutena does not have the Final Smash glow before starting the attack, but when the clip begins she has already started it! Basically a huge black hole appears, trapping characters inside it in the same pose as when they are getting battered in Ike's Great Aether, and then she calls out Mega Laser, which looks like a smaller, pink version of Samus' Zero Laser (less powerful as well, of course) which sends her opponents flying. This being a special attack is highly unlikely in my opinion.
Explosive Flame -- Side B -- A weaker, larger version of Zelda's Din's Fire which rather than targeting yourself by moving the control stick will automatically appear within a certain distance. Once again, it has little knockback or power, but will definitely do damage as it does have some.
Warp -- Up B or Side B -- Basically Zelda's Up B attack (I can't remember the name right now) but I don't think it does damage (doesn't have any graphical implications of dealing damage, but I can't prove this) and it is travelling along the ground here much better than Zelda's.
Rocket Jump -- Up B -- Think Diddy's Barrel Blast without the charging. Palutena just suddenly jumps up, which even though her enemies were standing right next to her gave them little knockback -- in fact, only to the edge of the "explosion" she created by jumping. It appears to do more damage than some other attacks, but that might just be because it's fire.
Reflect -- Neutral B or Down B -- It's Pit's Down B (that shield thing) in the way that it reflects all kinds of projectiles, it's also like the Franklin Badge. A major difference, to both, though, is that it actually hits and throws opponents away if it touches them. Another difference to Pit's shield is that Palutena can do other things after it appears.
Auto-Retticle -- Side B -- A more powerful version of Palutena's Explosive Flame, but with a much smaller range. However, it locks on to opponents in front of Palutena, and even if they move out of the way they get hit. It appears that you have to dodge or shield to avoid the attack, though this is unconfirmed.
Jump Glide -- Up B -- Is actually unique as far as I can remember. Palutena jumps up about, I would say, the distance of Charizard's Flare Blitz from Brawl, and then glides down in one direction smoothly.
Counter -- Neutral B or Down B -- Basically every other counter attack. Once again though, it appears to have MUCH less knockback than the FE counters, and possibly worse than Peach's Toad Spores thing. I'm thinking this does quite a bit of damage though, because it's a direct hit with her... staff?
Super Speed -- Side B -- Ike's Side B but once again, a lot weaker, and it doesn't stop upon contact. This one actually has decent knockback, though it's a vertical hit, which with the amount of knockback there will mean you can only KO at very high percentages with this.
Angelic Missile -- Side B -- Pikachu's Skull Bash and Luigi's Green Missile (COME ON THEY BOTH HAVE THE WORD MISSILE IN IT! GRAGH!). It doesn't seem too much weaker, however you don't need to charge for it (in the trailer the stance when the clip cuts to it is not charging, yet it flies). I'm thinking this is her first attack with serious amounts of knockback, albeit not that much compared to other characters, but it doesn't appear to deal much damage.
Celestial Fireworks -- Neutral B -- This is a powerful attack now, and is even unique! However, it has little range. We see in the trailer Luigi standing on the ground and an ember of fire lifting him up into the air, trapping him, until it suddenly explodes. This seems to make him pick up damage on the ascent, and then seriously send him flying with the powerful explosion, but the clip cuts before we see him take off. It could also be a fantastic way to start a combo, with actually very light knockback in the explosion at the top.
Lightweight -- Side B -- Uhh.... Palutena runs really fast. Faster than sonic running normally... does no damage and no knockback...
Black Hole & Mega Laser -- Final Smash -- Could Sakurai have really sneaked this in there? Well it does immense damage, and is clearly over-powered compared to everything else. No, Palutena does not have the Final Smash glow before starting the attack, but when the clip begins she has already started it! Basically a huge black hole appears, trapping characters inside it in the same pose as when they are getting battered in Ike's Great Aether, and then she calls out Mega Laser, which looks like a smaller, pink version of Samus' Zero Laser (less powerful as well, of course) which sends her opponents flying. This being a special attack is highly unlikely in my opinion.
Physical Attacks and what we know of them:
Up Smash:
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Palutena's Up-Smash attack has an incredibly high reach. A notable thing about it is that it doesn't actually protect Palutena from above, but rather to the side of her, unlike other smash attacks. This could also be the first Up Smash to deal direct damage to the ground. It looks to be quite powerful, as you can see the Smash Ball in the picture they smashing, but it could have been on low health already.
Likely Base Movesets (will update some of your ideas with reasoning):
Neutral B -- Counter / Heavenly Light
Side B -- Super Speed
Down B -- Heavenly Light / Counter
Up B -- Rocket Jump
Final Smash -- Black Hole & Mega Laser
A lot of Palutena's moves appear to be defensive, which is where this base moveset gets it's likelihood. Counter is actually your main way of dealing damage, which is another form of protection. Super Speed is a nice fast bulldozing-type attack that moves swiftly but deals some damage and decent knockback along the way. Heavenly Light is also nice for racking up damage, but more inportantly, it has the best hitstun available to her, which is great for defensive play. Rocket Jump is going to be her recovery on all of them, since Jump Glide seems kinda suicidal and would be very difficult to control for a new player.
Finally, I mentioned it earlier, but:
Palutena's Final Smash?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZllwYnFwmA -- Go to 0:33
Black Hole & Mega Laser is not only the last "special attack" they showed, but Palutena does a dance like one you would expect in a final smash, and while she wasn't glowing before using it, when the clip cut to her, her dance was already being used. There was no chance of a button input there. It is also much more powerful than her other attacks shown off, and the characters stuck in the Black Hole are in the same position as they are in Ike's Final Smash, Great Aether, and (Toon) Link's Final Smash, that big... slashy... Triforce thing. I don't know what it's called! ;O; Anyway, not only are the characters in the Black Hole in the same position, the Mega Laser itself is reminiscent of Samus' Zero Laser, and actually moreso of a pink version of Lucario's Aura Burst from Brawl. Since the majority of Palutena's special attacks take inspiration from other similar attacks, I can see it being really quite likely that this is Lady Palutena's Final Smash. It takes so much inspiration from other Final Smashes, with things that actually don't appear in other special attack as far as I know...
Dash: She appears to float (like Mewtwo) across the stage. 1:47.
Taunt 1: Her halo and wings appear (seen in the video around 1:45 and in this pic shows that start-up).
Taunt 2: Just her halo appears.
Combo: A multi-hit magical attack with the end of her staff. At about 1:51.
Side Tilt: Palutena magically spins her staff in front of herself, multi-hit. About 1:50.
Dash Attack: Shield Bash. About 1:53.
Side Smash: Pillar of light, has incredible height. About 1:54. It could be her Down Smash.
Down Smash: Uses her wings to strike at downward angle in front of her. About 1:41. (Could be Down Tilt, I said Down Smash because it seems powerful, but I don't know Link's percentage so I can't really say.)
Neutral Air: Staff Spin, Palutena magically spins her staff in front of herself. About 1:56
Grab: Appears to hold them in place magically, she is not actively touching her opponent. About 1:52.
Back Throw: Kicks the opponent behind herself (the kick is very similar to Peach's Side Tilt). About 1:52.
So, what are your likeliest movesets for Lady Palutena? Anything you want to remedy on my assessment of what the moves do? And what do you think of Black Hole & Mega Laser? Could it really be her Final Smash?
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