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Huh, never thought of a "power pellet" palette, but that'd actually be really neat. Of course, I always assumed that his Final Smash would involve turning players blue, so in a match with multiple Pac-Mans, things might get a little confusing.
I guess you could call it a...:shades:

Power Palette :awesome: *shot*

It would be no more confusing than four people all using the same coloured Pac-Man in the first place, particularly with P# floating over your head.
If anything, it's at least an idea of how Pac-Man himself would look when another Pac-Man used his final smash...
@ JamesDNaux JamesDNaux Fantastic render. I should update the OP soon to add some of these amazing stages/renders/signature buttons finally. But there's so much to add. Probably should totally redo the OP before E3, that's the cue for you all to tell me if there's anything you feel should be added.
Well here are the multiple versions of my own jumbo sized sig button thingamabobs, including the special gif edition. Great for every generation of Pac-Fan!
 

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Haha well, to be honest, I can't NOT see it anymore, and the cloud does seem to have a distinct shape the more I look at it... but I still think it's pretty farfetched haha. As for the scene where Greninja jumps off, I think it just wanted to focus on the water dripping off the branch (to show Greninja's association with water) rather than the clouds. But I guess it could be a minor easter egg nevertheless.
It sounds a total absurd.. and by this fact that I find this something intriguing. =P.. and, of course, I believe that makes most sense having hints from other characters in trailers (as a lot of companies do, and NAMCO is an expert in those things) than in actual cutscenes in the game (as commented here about the SSE clouds in the begin).

-but as I said.. Clouds are irrelevant at this point, when everything else is our favor. :3

You know, I'm starting to accept the fact the fact that Pac Man will be in smash. My only real gripe is his design. I really hate his design, even the original one on the cabinets, I'm fine with the classic sprite, however. it just seems like Pac Mac would easily stick out in Smash if he was in.
I'm sorry about your "problem" on Pacster's design... but, you know,... I have to live with Modern Sonic in Smash;... Metroid fans with Other M's Samus, probably K. Rool will be with the Paon's design, etc, etc (and find something ugly, in my opinion, is something completely subjective)... the character will remain the same, as long he has his classic atributes, moves, and personality (I mean, as was originally born,... taking as example characters like Sonic).
-- and, of course, at least thanks for your acceptance and, to the extent of possible, the respect for the character and his fanbase; it's appreciated.

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Oh, btw, @ JamesDNaux JamesDNaux ; I getting the G.A. signature! ;)
 

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. . .The character will remain the same, as long he has his classic atributes, moves, and personality. . .
The former two I'm not too concerned about, myself. It's the latter that I'm partial to. I never had much interest in Pac-Man as an actual character until I saw this opening from Pac-Man World 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aroexvXpHc0 . It's completely subjective, of course, and was based on the writers of this game; Pac-Man has never had a clearly-defined personality like a Sonic the hedgehog. However, I liked the persona they gave him in this game: he was a family man, but also self-effacing and humorous.

The Pac's probably one of my top-five newcomers I'm hoping for, and I'll be accepting if his "new" iteration is in Smash (in of itself, "The Ghostly Adventures" is entertaining enough). Even if his personality differs from what I'm hoping for, and the moveset is different from what we're all expecting it to be--it's still Pac-Man, and I guess Pac-Man is a nice guy, through-and-through.
 

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The former two I'm not too concerned about, myself. It's the latter that I'm partial to. I never had much interest in Pac-Man as an actual character until I saw this opening from Pac-Man World 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aroexvXpHc0 . It's completely subjective, of course, and was based on the writers of this game; Pac-Man has never had a clearly-defined personality like a Sonic the hedgehog. However, I liked the persona they gave him in this game: he was a family man, but also self-effacing and humorous.

The Pac's probably one of my top-five newcomers I'm hoping for, and I'll be accepting if his "new" iteration is in Smash (in of itself, "The Ghostly Adventures" is entertaining enough). Even if his personality differs from what I'm hoping for, and the moveset is different from what we're all expecting it to be--it's still Pac-Man, and I guess Pac-Man is a nice guy, through-and-through.
I'm not talking about how the character behaves, but his general interpretation... you know, ... a bad character continuing being bad, whatever is the situation,..etc.. Pac is the same sympathetic yellow glutton from the old days... because this I used Sonic as example.. he isn't a shadow of what he used to be in 90', in terms of how he behaves in his games... but in Smash, he's the classic character "Sonic The Hedgehog", with spin attacks, classic poses, Genesis sound effects, etc.

the behavior of the teen Pacster is, in fact, irrelevant for what he'll represents in Smash... since he's carrying a legacy of a complete series (and maybe, even other classic NAMCO ones)... like Other M's Samus in Sakurai's hands.
-- people liking or not of his new interation in Ghostly Adventures doesn't change the fact he'll be always the same Pac-Man.

PS: Oh... Pac-Man from World 3 is the one I like less. =P

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look how Pac-Man was made in Street Fighter X Tekken:

- His appearance is a hybrid between Pac-Man Party and Ghostly Adventures (which, I suppose, was a kind of preparation for the new marketing);
- His moves are based in the Pac-Man World series;
- He has, of course, the responsability to carry with him the "Tekken Mascot", which is Mokujin
- Has Pac-Man Party's voice, and classic Arcade SFXs
- And the original Pac-Man game is running on the back of Mokujin-bot,.. which means, even the Pac-Man himself be a playable character, the original game is always present in the fight!

he does everything very well done (thanks to Capcom, ironically); he's a fresh new character, with a new interpretation (was in that time), and without lose the legacy that he represents.
 
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Ah, I got'cha. Yeah, you're right--just about everyone knows who Pac-Man is and what he does. Slight personality changes through the decades doesn't change that fact. Good point.
 

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@ JamesDNaux JamesDNaux Could you repost the final Pac-Man again? It won't show up for me and it's infuriating.
Strange, I wonder why you're having trouble with them? Were you able to see the pallet swaps?
Here's a repost of the newest render, collapsing it since it's really large, don't want to take up that much space twice.
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On the subject of Pac-Man's personality, I don't know much from any of the games, but I remember a bit from an older cartoon. I really like when Pac is depicted as a family man, but still has that goofy side. I tried to watch a let's play of GA... but I didn't get very far, I just can't even. What did they do to his voice?
 

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considering he is teen (I guess), between 14 or 15 years old, when the voice is changing, and all... I think it does fit; ... the funny thing is that isn't the same voice actress from the TV Show in the game.. And sounds almost the same. XD
 

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The version of Pac I like the most is probably the World 3 version, he's a family man and has a goofy side, even has a little snarky side to him, something I always love in characters.
Also, is the Pac-Man and the Ghostly Adventures game any good? Not a big fan of the show, but the gameplay looks the World games.
 

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Also, is the Pac-Man and the Ghostly Adventures game any good? Not a big fan of the show, but the gameplay looks the World games.
A very simple platform game... without too much special content,.. will entertain if you're a fan,... but of course, not a GOTY. ...not bad, not too good. I recommend a quick look, anyway. people talk better about the 3DS version, though;

Reminds the World series in some aspects... but was most 'cause is a NAMCO platform game, I guess... there is something special in their platform games. =P
 
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Nice to see this thread not dropping off the front page constantly like it used to.
 

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Nice to see this thread not dropping off the front page constantly like it used to.
I was always okay with this, actually. This thread has historically only ever gotten revived when someone actually had something relevant to say, so it kept the thread discussion terse and efficient. Nothing ever devolved into pages worth of reaction images or inane arguments regarding "canon" or drama. Though I must say, the recent discussion concerning GameExplain and the clouds made bad memories of pre-Brawl rear their ugly heads, and I am a bit tired of "new design vs old design" discussion. That, however, is at least better than the "pie chart design or bust" comments this thread used to get.

As for Pac-Man's personality, I've said before that I don't really don't care what his personality is like. He's never had an established personality beyond some vaguely consistent traits such as being happy-go-lucky, heroic, and gluttonous. If I had to have a preference, I've always enjoyed Pac-Man when he's portrayed as comedic, and almost as an ineffectual hero with more bark than bite (ironically enough). This sort of portrayal rarely shows up, but it can be seen in Pac-Man 2 and World 3. Always liked him best as a family man. So many other mascot characters are "wild and free-spirited" teenagers, so to see him fall prey to that infectious type of characterization never sat well with me. I always found it hilarious that Pac-Man 2 casts him as some sort of parody of video game mascots, trying to play off his mundane suburban life as something far more grand and exciting. I don't even know if that was intentional or not, or if the game just failed at actually trying to make him an impressive character. Whether or not the intention, however, the version of Pac-Man that we got was something unexpectedly fresh. Everything from his unprovoked mood swings (going from hopelessly depressed to stylishly smug in seconds) to the absurdity of "Super Pac-Man" comes together to make a pretty entertaining character overall. If I were in charge of writing material for Pac-Man games or shows, I'd put to use a very solid idea of what I'd enjoy him to be like, and that involves playing him for laughs while lauding his history and achievements. He's a totally nonsensical character in a nonsensical world. He should be funny. Not "toilet humor funny" appropriate for preschool children, but genuinely funny based on his mannerisms and physical antics.

I do like the SFXT portrayal, however. It's very "neutral" and safe, simply incorporating the most iconic and important parts of the character (the smile, the sound effects, etc) and ditches everything else. It works pretty well in the crossover environment, and I think this is the best sort of portrayal to use for Smash as well. In a crossover setting especially, Pac-Man's characterization should emphasize his more iconic and enduring traits. He's never consistently had complex dialogue or even much of a personality, so I'd rather they trim the fat and exclude incorporating elements such as that. I think the most amount of dialogue he should have should be short exclamations such as "Yeah!", "No!", and the admittedly endearing "Al-righty!".
 

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I've always viewed his personality as Toru Iwatani envisioned him to be; an innocent, fun-loving, willing-to-help sort of guy, family or not. I do agree I like the idea of him having Ms. Pac-Man and the kids beside him, but I also really like the Pac-Man in Ghostly Adventures. Not because he's a teen, but because he wants to be a hero and wants to help, but things don't always go right, and it affects him like it would a normal person. He gets discouraged or upset about something, sometimes even depressed. I guess it's sort of a reflection of Pac-Man 2, as @ BridgesWithTurtles BridgesWithTurtles stated. A Pac-Man with more variety than the one seen in the Pac-Man World games where he always carries a smile and never gets upset. That's not to say I don't love his happy-go-lucky attitude, because I do, but a character that is that way and that alone gets a little shallow and easy to see through, whereas the Pac-Man 2 and Ghostly Adventures Pac-Man carry more emotional weight.

Regardless, none of that will even be a factor in Smash Bros. If Pac-Man is in, he'll be smiles all the time, maybe some cheeky grins when he lands a punch, or a look of "ouch" when he gets sent flying. I am 100% confident Sakurai will do him justice, especially with Namco there to help set the standard.
 

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No one in smash uses that many aspects of their personality anyway. Only primary ones are showcased, like luigi's cowardice and Sonic's cockiness. I would want Pac-man to have his original two traits of being happy-go-lucky and gluttonous, but also be one of the most comical (if not the most) in smash. Unemotional "bada**es" like megaman are annoying to me, I never liked the cocky attitude of sonic, and Mario is just your generic hero. I want Pac-Man to stand out from the rest of the icons with his unintentional self-inflicted humor, while trying to be the best hero he can be.
 
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I guess you could call it a...:shades:

Power Palette :awesome: *shot*

It would be no more confusing than four people all using the same coloured Pac-Man in the first place, particularly with P# floating over your head.
If anything, it's at least an idea of how Pac-Man himself would look when another Pac-Man used his final smash...

Well here are the multiple versions of my own jumbo sized sig button thingamabobs, including the special gif edition. Great for every generation of Pac-Fan!
These look very nice. :D I'm a pretty big and a bit of an avid fan of Pac-Man, since I've played a few of his games, the last being World 2 on the GameCube. When I saw first his GA look through a Google Search, I was like "Holy crap, he looks amazing!" Now that I've seen it, I'm totally going to give the Wii U GA a try and see if I like it. <3
 

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These look very nice. :D I'm a pretty big and a bit of an avid fan of Pac-Man, since I've played a few of his games, the last being World 2 on the GameCube. When I saw first his GA look through a Google Search, I was like "Holy crap, he looks amazing!" Now that I've seen it, I'm totally going to give the Wii U GA a try and see if I like it. <3
Especially since it's like $20-$30 now, I believe. It's not a bad game by any means, but as others have said, don't expect anything that's gonna blow your mind. It's a simple, fun, polished platforming game with some cool powerups and abilities.

Also, welcome to the thread! Glad we got another GA design supporter! :D
 
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Especially since it's like $20-$30 now, I believe. It's not a bad game by any means, but as others have said, don't expect anything that's gonna blow your mind. It's a simple, fun, polished platforming game with some cool powerups and abilities.

Also, welcome to the thread! Glad we got another GA design supporter! :D
Thanks! I absolutely love Pac-Man and would very much like for him to be in Smash 4, so of course I'm in full support.
 

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Welcome, @ Iblistech Iblistech ! I like you already, and that has possibly even more to do with the fact that you have a Wally Gator avatar than your support of Pac-Man.
I've always loved Wally very much since I was very young, and still do to this day. I have a plushy of him that I got from Amazon and also two ringtones of his voice as well as his show's theme song on my iPhone 4S to show for it.

Regardless, I still fully support Pac-Man being added into Smash 4. :)
 
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Welcome friend! Us Pac-Man supporters need to stick together. Its good to see more people supporting Pac-Man during the war against pac-haters road to e3 :troll:
Oyes. I'm very happy to be here. :D

Speaking of Wally's voice, I can sometimes pull off a very good impression of it. xD Oh, and here's a little fact that I found out via a Google Search and from my mother: I was conceived in the exact same time of year (Fall/Autumn) that his VA, Daws Butler, passed away. Not only that, but I was also born in the exact same year that Jim Henson, creator of the Muppets and Kermit's original puppeteer, died.
 
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I made a fake newcomer image for Pac-Man today. Thought you guys might like it:



I couldn't find a higher quality version of Pac-Man from Ghostly Adventures in this pose, so it's a bit blurry.
 
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I made a fake newcomer image for Pac-Man today. Thought you guys might like it:



I couldn't find a higher quality version of Pac-Man from Ghostly Adventures in this pose, so it's a bit blurry.
Holy Power Pellets Batman, that looks AWESOME!
 

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Looks great... I would have changed the background from red to black.... and change the maze outlines from yellow to blue to resemble the arcade game.
 

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I made a fake newcomer image for Pac-Man today. Thought you guys might like it:



I couldn't find a higher quality version of Pac-Man from Ghostly Adventures in this pose, so it's a bit blurry.
Heck yeah! This looks amazing! Really well done, man. Even the lettering and background look official. Color me impressed!
 

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Oh, and in case you guys didn't know, today is the day Pac-Man is getting rated in the Rate Their Chances thread! Go cast your vote for him and let others know how you feel about his chances to get into Smash 4 and how much you want him to be included!
 

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I'm just going to repost my post in the Rate Their Chances Thread. (For the record, if you don't show up and at least give him a 100% want, I'll sick Chomp-Chomp on you.)



Pac-Man:

Let me tell you a little story about a boy named James.

When James was an itty-bitty boy of five or six, he was introduced to this mystical contraption called a computer that he had no idea how to use. It bored him at first, since he only really saw boring adult stuff being done on it, but his father, being a man who loved computers and knew practically everything to know about them, wanted to teach his son what he knew about computers. Being a little boy, though, James wasn't interested in being taught how to use a "word", as he felt his vocabulary was more than adequate, and he felt a little sorry for the explorer who got himself stuck inside a net, but failed to understand what he had to do with computers. So he made the offhand comment of wanting to go and play and his father explained to him that this miraculous thing was something to be played with. He was, of course, very confused, but he trusted that his father wasn't a lunatic and that it really could play with him...despite not being able to move. So James waited as patiently as he knew how and eagerly watched his father as he brought down a folder with a bunch of silly looking circles with holes in the center. James assumed these to be treats for the computer that would get it to do tricks or something. (An assumption that seemed more than reasonable when the machine stuck out its tongue and took the treat into its mouth.)

James' father, being a fair bit more understanding of what he was doing, was looking for a game that would entertain our young James. It had to be nonviolent, fairly simple, and still appealing for little James. Pinball would've worked...but it wasn't quite colorful enough to appeal to such a young boy...Golf was definitely out of the question...maybe...no, not that...Then he found it! Should've been perfectly obvious to him, he thought to himself as he put it in.

James' attention was pulled to the start-up screen that he saw which he, despite being unable to read, found interesting because of a certain yellow, happy-faced ball-guy that greeted him and his father with a wink and a thumb's up, seemingly telling them that playtime was beginning. The game started up and James watched, confused, as some odd circles and a person made out of string showed up. His father explained that it was an intro like you'd see on a TV show and that the real thing was starting up. James' attention snapped completely to the oddly-shaped spinning rock that he saw. It looked sort of like something he knew by the name of Saturn, but it looked like a chunk was taken out of the side for some reason. The screen flashed to two brightly-colored ghosts of blue and orange traversing a not-so-brightly-colored landscape. The orange one stops and looks around before having the blue ghost run into him clumsily (James noted that they made a funny clunk-y sound when they bumped into one-another). The screen turned to match the vision of the ghosts and zoomed in. Menacing eyes appeared and the screen showed a close up of an unpleasant-looking creature speaking some evil sounding language. The orange ghost pulled a pretty golden ball out of a brown bag and turned to give it to the creature. He shook as the thing's claws took the artifact from him. The monster looked serious as he said a few more words before closing his hand around the ball. He lifted it up and smashed the golden sphere into the ground, creating a flash.

The screen then changes to look at a sleeping image of the happy yellow ball-guy that he saw before. He snores. Again. Then a light flashed on and off on a television behind him and a sound vaguely like a telephone went off...the ball-guy turned as the sound got faster and faster and the screen of the television blinked on. A similar looking yellow ball-guy with a gray mustache and a funky black hat appeared, seeming flustered. He talked in gibberish but it was obvious that he was upset. The original yellow ball-guy gets up urgently, tightens his orange gloves, and poses toward the screen, ready to take on this obvious predicament.

This game, Pac-Man: Adventures in Time, became one of his, or, rather, my favorites. I asked my parents to buy more Pac-Man games for me and we ended up getting Pac-Man All-Stars and Ms. Pac-Man and the Golden Maze, which became a few of my other favorites. (We also branched out to other classic Namco games, including Dig-Dug and Mappy, to name a few. I was introduced to the original that way and I was terrible at it, but still enjoyed it immensely.) The prized jewel of the games we got, however, was Pac-Man World 2, a game that holds the title of my favorite game of all time even now.

Pac-Man, of course, became an absolute obsession of mine. I bought every piece of smiley face merchandise I could get a hold of since they were the closest thing to Pac-Man merchandise I could find (and they were cute and happy in their own right as well, of course). We even bought the (looking back on it, terrible) Hanna Barbara Pac-Man TV Show and I watched every episode way too many times.

Of course, life went on and James grew up and situations changed. We had to move to the mountains (right after we painted Pac-Man and the Ghosts on my bedroom walls, I might add *grumblegrumble*) and I had to find a new school and new friends and all that. But I still had Pac-Man, so I was still happy and not everything was strange and unusual. And, of course, once I got used to that, my parents divorced and made my life especially difficult...but I still had my Pac-Pillow to rest my head on and my Pac-Man plushie to hold as I slept, so it wasn't so bad in the end.

I have changed, my life has changed, my situations have changed...and I don't deal well with change. I like consistency. Always have. So, in order to survive the inconsistency that I had to deal with, I latched on to one thing in my life that I had control of and never let it go. I made sure I had one thing in life that would always be there. I made sure that I always had something to go to when I needed to escape from the relentlessly changing world. That thing was Pac-Man. I was always going to have him and no one was going to take him away from me. Ever.

So, yeah. You could say that I have a personal connection with Pac-Man and that Pac-Man and I have quite the history together. He's been with me for over two-thirds of my life, after all. I've come to cherish and adore him.

So let's just get this clear:

Want: 100%
I think it's obvious why. I love Pac-Man...

...But it's actually a little more than that too. You see, I was introduced to Super Smash Bros. Melee when I was little as well. It wasn't even close to as early as Pac-Man, but I had played Super Smash Bros. Melee for the first time when I was about 9 or 10 years old. I ended up loving it so much that I got a Gamecube for Christmas the next year with it, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle, and...Pokemon Channel (which did not compare to those two masterpieces). This was the same time my brother was getting into Pokemon on the DS and I eventually ended up getting one of them so I could play with Pokemon too.

Before long, I was completely and utterly enamored with the worlds of Nintendo.


The chance to have these two incredibly influential series unite with Pac-Man's playable status in the Super Smash Bros. series would be a literal dream come true. This has been a lifelong dream that I never dared hope for...until now.

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Chance:
I'll be honest. Him not being in would be enough to make me abstain from buying the Wii U I've been saving for for Smash. I might very well get only the 3DS version at first and get a Wii U (and the Wii U version) when more games come out that interest me (since, frankly, none but a very select few have) if Pac-Man's not in. With Pac-Man, this is a system seller for me. Without, it's not.

So his not getting in would crush me.

...But, obviously, I am saving for a Wii U. I am definitely hoping for the best. It's obvious that I don't want to be crushed...but it's important to note that I don't expect to be. Just take this as my warning that I may be too optimistic about his chances. It's not my intent to be biased, and I genuinely feel this way, but I could very well be overestimating his chances because of my want for him being so high.

With that out of the way, let me list the largest points in his favor:

Point 1: Bandai-Namco is working on Smash Bros 4 with Sakurai and co.
Everyone and their mother knows this by now. Sakurai is living next to and working at a Bandai-Namco facility for this project. If it wasn't for this, I fully admit that Pac-Man's likelihood of getting in would be similar to the likelihood of his living from touching a ghost without a power pellet...null. But it puts him in a situation that's very comparable to that of Snake. While the creator of Pac-Man isn't exactly Sakurai's close friend, Sakurai's still in contact with important members of Bandai-Namco, which means negotiations for Pac-Man would already be easier for Sakurai than Sonic's and Mega Man's were. That combined with Pac-Man's far greater iconic status than Snake, lack of the potentially offensive material that Snake has, and Nintendo's familiarity with negotiating with Bandai-Namco make him the easiest potential third-party newcomer to get into Smash yet. The situation would probably be highly tempting. (Also, it'd make Miyamoto ecstatic.)

Point 2: Pac-Man has little to no competition from other third-party newcomers.
Since Sakurai stated that only "legendary" third-party characters would be getting in, Pac-Man does not have to deal with competition from other third-party characters (such competition made it impossible for Mega Man to get in Brawl, since Sonic was so highly requested). He is, by far, the most highly requested third-party character to add. His only competition is from veteran Snake (who, for the record, can coexist with Pac-Man) and a few oddball third-party candidates like Professor Layton and Dragon Quest's Slime. This means that Sakurai was very likely to at least consider him, especially considering the circumstances between him and Bandai-Namco.

Point 3: Namco has received recognition already in SSB4.
The S-Flag and Galaga enemy boosted Pac-Man's already ridiculous chances up by a ton. Sakurai has to have been in at least somenegotiations with Bandai-Namco in order to get this in the game. And if he was in negotiations, it's not likely he was in negotiations only for an item, since Sakurai has mentioned that working with other companies is one of the most difficult parts about making the game before. Why would he go through such difficult stuff for anything less than a playable character? It just doesn't make sense.

Point 4: Leak
We have no idea if it's real or not, but it's at least highly probable that this guy has some legitimate inside info. If he does, Pac-Man's in 100%. I won't go too far into this, though, since the leak isn't necessarily true and might be completely irrelevant to his chances if so.


With that in mind, I'm giving Pac-Man a 94% chance. He's only behind Palutena herself in likelihood for me. I hope I justified it well and I apologize if my rating is biased, as I acknowledge it may be.

(I might get to Miis later, but this is the part I care about most.)
 

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Yeah, I read it on there, Pacack. Wonderful story. I'm so glad to hear other people share similar experiences with the awesome yellow wonder. And that is why we like him the best.
 

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I'm just going to repost my post in the Rate Their Chances Thread. (For the record, if you don't show up and at least give him a 100% want, I'll sick Chomp-Chomp on you.)



Pac-Man:

Let me tell you a little story about a boy named James.
I'm not going to quote the whole thing because holy balls that was a doozy of a post. I must say I quite enjoyed it. :)

If I'm being totally honest though, when I first heard the Pac-Man rumor I was... a little disillusioned with the roster. That had more to do with Miis, which is an idea I'm still not particularly fond of, but the idea of Pac-Man in Smash wasn't very palatable to me either. That was a long time ago at this point though, and I must say that the idea has grown on me immensely. I didn't have any reason really to dislike him other than a gut reaction and not really understanding how he would work within a Smash context. I've also never played his games extensively. Just the odd arcade version at times (which, along with virtually every other arcade game I have encountered, I found woefully frustrating). However, this thread has largely alleviated any worries I had about his viability and given some thought I can't help but agree that his iconic status really does render him deserving of a spot on the roster.

I will say that, at least in my mind, he does have some competition in the form of Bomberman though. Another iconic character and one with intense ties to Nintendo. He is not nearly as likely however for a a multitude of reasons, so Pac-Man seems quite likely to me.
 
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I'm not going to quote the whole thing because holy balls that was a doozy of a post. I must say I quite enjoyed it. :)

If I'm being totally honest though, when I first heard the Pac-Man rumor I was... a little disillusioned with the roster. That had more to do with Miis, which is an idea I'm still not particularly fond of, but the idea of Pac-Man in Smash wasn't very palatable to me either. That was a long time ago at this point though, and I must say that the idea has grown on me immensely. I didn't have any reason really to dislike him other than a gut reaction and not really understanding how he would work within a Smash context. I've also never played his games extensively. Just the odd arcade version at times (which, along with virtually every other arcade game I have encountered, I found woefully frustrating). However, this thread has largely alleviated any worries I had about his viability and given some thought I can't help but agree that his iconic status really does render him deserving of a spot on the roster.

I will say that, at least in my mind, he does have some competition in the form of Bomberman though. Another iconic character and one with intense ties to Nintendo. He is not nearly as likely however for a a multitude of reasons, so Pac-Man seems quite likely to me.
I'm glad we've been able to change your mind on him. He gets a lot of undeserved hate.

Ah, I forgot Bomberman. If only Hudson Soft wasn't owned by Konami. He'd be up there if he wasn't.
 

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Great post and beautiful story @ Pacack Pacack ! It's also extremely nice to see people becoming more accepting of Pac-Man's possible inclusion in Smash 4 :)
 

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Thanks for so thoroughly explaining your position, Pacack. My arguments are essentially the same, but I wouldn't have bothered to express them thoroughly (you can always check this thread's OP for that). Never bothered with the Rate Their Chances thread and probably never will.

We all have characters that mean something to us. The ones that really mattered in my childhood - Sonic, Dedede, Pokémon Trainer *grumble*, Villager, and Lucario (though I was a teen then) - have already been playable in Smash Bros. All that are left for me are Ridley, K. Rool, and Pac-Man. If those three get in, I may very well be content with the Smash Bros. cast for eternity. I agree with you in that Pac-Man would be a system seller for me, if I didn't already have a Wii U (and if Nintendo doesn't start releasing some material I might just sell it, if Pac-Man doesn't get in). My enthusiasm for Pac-Man (and K. Rool) will honestly effect my enthusiasm for the game itself. I don't think I'll hold it in nearly as high of esteem if neither of those characters get in.

While I'm here, here's my latest Pac-Man-related output from Miiverse:

 
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Thanks for so thoroughly explaining your position, Pacack. My arguments are essentially the same, but I wouldn't have bothered to express them thoroughly (you can always check this thread's OP for that). Never bothered with the Rate Their Chances thread and probably never will.

We all have characters that mean something to us. The ones that really mattered in my childhood - Sonic, Dedede, Pokémon Trainer *grumble*, Villager, and Lucario (though I was a teen then) - have already been playable in Smash Bros. All that are left for me are Ridley, K. Rool, and Pac-Man. If those three get in, I may very well be content with the Smash Bros. cast for eternity. I agree with you in that Pac-Man would be a system seller for me, if I didn't already have a Wii U (and if Nintendo doesn't start releasing some material I might just sell it, if Pac-Man doesn't get in). My enthusiasm for Pac-Man (and K. Rool) will honestly effect my enthusiasm for the game itself. I don't think I'll hold it in nearly as high of esteem if neither of those characters get in.

While I'm here, here's my latest Pac-Man-related output from Miiverse:

Hah! How true that is. Unfortunately, people on Miiverse rarely talk about Pac-Man. I browse the Smash community occasionally to see if anyone has done any Pac-Man fan art and there rarely is any, and if there is, there are people saying he doesn't belong. :( So sad, but I feel like a lot of those people are the middle teens or early 20s who didn't grow up with him, so they don't see him as important to the gaming world.

Also, your Miiverse posts are awesome! I followed you on there and liked a bunch of your stuff. xD I need more peeps on Miiverse anyway.
 
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Hah! How true that is. Unfortunately, people on Miiverse rarely talk about Pac-Man. I browse the Smash community occasionally to see if anyone has done any Pac-Man fan art and there rarely is any, and if there is, there are people saying he doesn't belong. :( So sad, but I feel like a lot of those people are the middle teens or early 20s who didn't grow up with him, so they don't see him as important to the gaming world.

Also, your Miiverse posts are awesome! I followed you on there and liked a bunch of your stuff. xD I need more peeps on Miiverse anyway.
Quite honestly, I find that to be very pathetic, unjustly shooting down a character they know little or absolutely nothing about. Those people need to grow up and act their age, that's what I think.
 

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Nice to see this thread not dropping off the front page constantly like it used to.
I do like the SFXT portrayal, however. It's very "neutral" and safe, simply incorporating the most iconic and important parts of the character (the smile, the sound effects, etc) and ditches everything else. It works pretty well in the crossover environment, and I think this is the best sort of portrayal to use for Smash as well. In a crossover setting especially, Pac-Man's characterization should emphasize his more iconic and enduring traits. He's never consistently had complex dialogue or even much of a personality, so I'd rather they trim the fat and exclude incorporating elements such as that. I think the most amount of dialogue he should have should be short exclamations such as "Yeah!", "No!", and the admittedly endearing "Al-righty!".
I couldn't agree more. I especially like the voice he had, it fit him well imo.
 

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Quite honestly, I find that to be very pathetic, unjustly shooting down a character they know little or absolutely nothing about. Those people need to grow up and act their age, that's what I think.
Problem is if they're like 13-16, they are acting their age. ;p

But yes, I agree. When I first came to Smashboards, it was to see what people thought of Pac-Man being included. What I got were all these characters I never even considered or knew that well, such as Palutena, Shulk, and Takamaru. But instead of shouting "no one knows who those characters are! they don't stand a chance! they don't belong in smash!" I instead looked them up, watched some videos or read up on the characters. I even went to their respective character support threads to learn more about them and learn about their chances to be included, and then supported or didn't support them depending on how I felt. Unfortunately, not a lot of people do that same thing. They see Pac-Man, think "I don't like him," and that's it. They don't take it any further and then get confused when other people support the character and they don't, which only fuels their dislike even greater.

There honestly is no reason for anyone to dislike Pac-Man being included in Smash other than lack of knowledge or negative bias. If you think about him logically and about his potential as a character, he makes complete sense. I'm glad a lot more people are seeing that and the negative nancies are in the minority.
 

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A lot of people are anti-Pac for the same reason some were anti-Sonic in Brawl. Sonic was viewed as a character whose best times were over a decade ago and I think Pac-Man has this same attitude from most fans ( Most gamers think only the classic Pac-Man games from the 80's are worth owning).

Of course, that's not really the point. Sonic, Mega Man and Pac-Man are worthy third party characters because of their impact on Nintendo's history and gaming overall. Mega Man was almost a Nintendo mascot during the NES and SNES eras. Sonic was the Rival that forced Nintendo to step their game up. And Pac-Man was the first real gaming character that people cared about. He really pioneered the whole company mascot thing. Who knows where gaming would even be without him? Pong was huge but Pac-Man really set the stage for what Nintendo has done with it's ips.

I support Pac-Man as a character in Smash. I'm not as huge a fan as many of you guys, I was way more hyped for the blue third party fighters. But I definitely feel Pac Man Fever should be headed our way soon. Actually, "Pac Man Fever" should be a song in Smash 4. :awesome:
 

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A lot of people are anti-Pac for the same reason some were anti-Sonic in Brawl. Sonic was viewed as a character whose best times were over a decade ago and I think Pac-Man has this same attitude from most fans ( Most gamers think only the classic Pac-Man games from the 80's are worth owning).

Of course, that's not really the point. Sonic, Mega Man and Pac-Man are worthy third party characters because of their impact on Nintendo's history and gaming overall. Mega Man was almost a Nintendo mascot during the NES and SNES eras. Sonic was the Rival that forced Nintendo to step their game up. And Pac-Man was the first real gaming character that people cared about. He really pioneered the whole company mascot thing. Who knows where gaming would even be without him? Pong was huge but Pac-Man really set the stage for what Nintendo has done with it's ips.

I support Pac-Man as a character in Smash. I'm not as huge a fan as many of you guys, I was way more hyped for the blue third party fighters. But I definitely feel Pac Man Fever should be headed our way soon. Actually, "Pac Man Fever" should be a song in Smash 4. :awesome:
Oh god no please not Pac-Man Fever lol.

Awesome points there, shadowjosh! And I certainly won't disagree with you about Sonic or Mega Man. While I was never a huge Sonic fan, I always thought he was a cool character. But Mega Man... dang. Other than Pac-Man, I grew up with Mega Man. My dad bought me my first-ever game console when I was a kid: the NES. And I didn't get Super Mario Bros. with mine. No, I got Mega Man 2. I played the crap out of it and beat it so many times. And then when Mega Man 3 came out I did it all over again. The classic Mega Man series is by far one of my favorite in all of gaming history, right up there with Pac-Man, so he's definitely incredible to see included, especially the way they presented him in his classic form with classic moves. I really hope Pac-Man gets the same love as well.
 
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