Our Previous Mains and How they have been changed for Super Smash Bros . 4

[D31Ta]

I personally don't own a Japanese 3DS nor a Japanese copy of Smash Bros. so I am limited to a demo and me being dissapointed (But got used to) about Yoshi not being part of the demo so I don't know any of the the changes to my main and I don't see videos or streams that use Yoshi so if anyone knows post the changes and if anybody is in a similar position hopefully others will answer your questions.

 

[YoshiandToad]

As a fellow Yoshi main, I'll point you to this forum: Yoshi SSB4

Good news though; appears he's been greatly buffed!

 

[Dragoomba]

As a fellow Yoshi main, I'll point you to this forum: Yoshi SSB4

Good news though; appears he's been greatly buffed!

I think you're the first guy I've seen who has the same character six times in his profile. Dat dedication.

 

[smashbrolink]

Link is now a legitimate threat, and his Custom Move options have quite a bit of variety to them.
Overall I'm more than satisfied.

 

[Reila]

Pikachu doesn't feel right to me, but at least I am enjoying his cute new animations.

 

[D31Ta]

As a fellow Yoshi main, I'll point you to this forum:

Good news though; appears he's been greatly buffed!

Alright thanks and good thing to see others that main Yoshi as well!

 

[KaZe_DaRKWIND]

I think you're the first guy I've seen who has the same character six times in his profile. Dat dedication.

I take offense to that.
ALL HAIL OVERLORD KIRBY

 

[dbzeenx]

I personally don't own a Japanese 3DS nor a Japanese copy of Smash Bros. so I am limited to a demo and me being dissapointed (But got used to) about Yoshi not being part of the demo so I don't know any of the the changes to my main and I don't see videos or streams that use Yoshi so if anyone knows post the changes and if anybody is in a similar position hopefully others will answer your questions.

Well, my main's been Mario ever since the beginning of the series, and I have to say I'm really happy with the buff they gave him this time around.

 

[Rich Homie Quan]

Marth doesn't seem to be nearly as bad as people thought he'd be.

SH Double F-Air and SH FF F-Air are gone, but he still has a lot of tools available. Pivot F-Tilt seems to be really good and Tippers hit hard.

Counter seems like a competitively viable move. It kills rather early.

His grabs have been changed to throw people far, but this is actually turning out to be a pretty good thing. I'm seeing many people use his grabs to get their opponents offstage and then aggressively protect the ledge with F-Airs and B-Airs, both of which are pretty scary when tipped.

His sword swings in wider arcs than in brawl, so in a way, his Melee coverage is back.

The range nerf seems nonexistent, or at least not impactful.

The biggest thing Marth has going against him is the fact that he relies on very precise spacing, which many are whiffing because of the circle pad and the lack of a c-stick.

He's still going to be a monster. Definitely in the high tier. When the Wii U version comes out, Marth will start being used quite a bit. This is Brawl Marth 2.1.

 

[guedes the brawler]

/wolf isnow not in the game

instead the likes of /robin and /rosalina were added. incredible job. thanks sakurai >_>

 

[Reila]

/wolf isnow not in the game

instead the likes of /robin and /rosalina were added. incredible job. thanks sakurai >_>

Incredible job indeed

 

[Wintropy]

Incredible job indeed

You go gurl~ <3

I've graduated to different mains every game, but all of my top choices are still in Smash 4. And they're even better than ever.

Sakurai, you get all of my hearts on this day.

 

[Scourge The Hedgehog]

In Sonic we believe. In kill potential we trust. Compared to Brawl, the Blue Blur has way more tools to kill with now. I think this was exactly what he needed in order to compete with others. Not only can he rack up damage quickly but now he can finish them off a little easier. That isn't to say he is the greatest character now but he does have better flow. Now if he would only fix his color schemes..

+1 to Sakurai

 

[DougX]

Luigi got a few decent buffs on some moves, some new, appropriate animations, an awesome new down throw that's apparently better than his old one, and he apparently can wall jump finally. Sadly, his Super Jump Punch really got nerfed for no real reason from what I hear... On the other hand, I heard his dash attack is a lot better in this game too.

He seems a little fresh in areas, yet mostly familiar so he shouldn't be too much of an issue for ol' Dougee to pick up and play. c:

 

[KaZe_DaRKWIND]

/wolf isnow not in the game

instead the likes of /robin and /rosalina were added. incredible job. thanks sakurai >_>

You're saying one semi-clone is better than two unique characters?
I'd prefer Wolf over Falco but that's as far as I'd go.

 

[guedes the brawler]

You're saying one semi-clone is better than two unique characters?
I'd prefer Wolf over Falco but that's as far as I'd go.

2 cloned moves makes a semiclone, now?

i don't see why being unique matters. i played /wolf, and he is unique. at the very least he hasn't stolen the spot of someone more deserving from him that is on the same franchie /9toad and /chrom/0

 

[Rakurai]

Wario lost his bike tires, but got buffed in virtually every other regard.

Game and Watch, unfortunately, has gotten far more nerfs then buffs, mostly with reduced KO power and smaller hitboxes.

 

[KaZe_DaRKWIND]

2 cloned moves makes a semiclone, now?

i don't see why being unique matters. i played /wolf, and he is unique. at the very least he hasn't stolen the spot of someone more deserving from him that is on the same franchie /9toad and /chrom/0

I consider Wolf a semiclone because he's obviously based on Fox's moveset. However he is quite different which is why I would prefer him over Falco.

While I don't diasgree Toad will likely eventually be a character, I prefer Rosalina and Luma and the unique playstyle they bring to the table.

As for Chrom, I agree with Sakurai's reasoning that the last thing we need is another normal sword user. Robin, like Rosalina, brings a new playstyle to the table with all her different spells. Plus I'd prefer a mage over a swordsman anyday.

 

[Johnknight1]

: Loved his incredible aerial combos and just general gameplay approach in 64. In Melee he lost some of his combo potential (obviously because Melee doesn't have as much hitstun and has more DI), but his ground offense got a bit cooler. Mario was cool, but still, he was second fiddle to . In Smash 4, feels good, but still makes him a second fiddle. I'll probably wind up using (he's my #6 character pre-release right behind the Gunner) and there's a small but noticeable chance I'll play

: Looks pretty freaking sexy. Not Melee Mr./Mrs. Lylat System sexy, but still at least like Mr./Mrs./Doge Corneria status. I plan on definitely using him. I have him as my #4 character right now.

: His overall design is the same and his changes are mostly changes from going to one game to another. looks fantastic, and my current gameplan is for him to be my #1 character choice from the get-go again.

(my Project M main): Wow, a lot different. Has lots of pieces of past builds plus a new style of forward Air. Currently I love his new design and many of the overall changes. Fingers crossed that he's at least roughly average (on the tiers and in terms of usefulness) for once. Currently on pre-release character list he's my #3 character behind and .

 

[guedes the brawler]

I consider Wolf a semiclone because he's obviously based on Fox's moveset. However he is quite different which is why I would prefer him over Falco.

While I don't diasgree Toad will likely eventually be a character, I prefer Rosalina and Luma and the unique playstyle they bring to the table.

As for Chrom, I agree with Sakurai's reasoning that the last thing we need is another normal sword user. Robin, like Rosalina, brings a new playstyle to the table with all her different spells. Plus I'd prefer a mage over a swordsman anyday.

Wolf's moveset isn't derived from Fox; both movesets are derived from Arwing/Landmaster abilities. Same deal with Ike's counter

Rosalina's playstyle is interesting, but i don't think it's worthy of ruining her character. Her deal is about her being a motherly character and mind-controlling lumas into killing things for her or taking death blows for her is completely against it. that's not even bringing her Resumé into the question (from a series as big as Mario, she did too little for smash bros, IMO), but she really could've been unique in another way

and yet, Robin still use a sword, and not in a particularly unique fashion.

If chrom uses special moves that didn't involve his sword, problem solved. and with Lances, Axes, Bows, Skills and the Shield of seals there is PLENTY of room for Chrom to have that unique special-moveset people value so much (i dunno why, everybody liked Ike in Brawl and he brought literally nothing new to the table since his overall playstyle was done twice over) and it represents FE(A) much better to boot. Heck, it isn't unfeasible for Chorm to use weapon changing like Robin did since his Falchion is weak, sidegrades that can break seem reasonable.


People judge Chrom and Toad (and Dixie too) because they ahven't seen what Sakurai could've done with then. Mac and Shulk and especially Rosalina had a lot of people against them because of moveset potential. Look at they now. Heck, they are probaby going to be the 3 most popular newcomers this time

 

[KaZe_DaRKWIND]

People judge Chrom and Toad (and Dixie too) because they ahven't seen what Sakurai could've done with then. Mac and Shulk and especially Rosalina had a lot of people against them because of moveset potential. Look at they now. Heck, they are probaby going to be the 3 most popular newcomers this time

I can imagine what he'd do with them after Dark Pit and Lucina.

 

[Acton]

I like the way falco plays now vs in brawl.

My play style in brawl usually consisted of jab mix ups and reads. I was never good at playing keep away with lasers and I was too obvious with trying to get the grab. My favorite moves in brawl where approaching with a dash attack into usmash, or dacus, jab ftilt utilt bair dair and hard reads with fsmash. I'm just a casual at this point, but I feel like the new falco will definitely be more in line with how I like to play! :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JurOrl2liFg

 

[gameprodigy12]

Wolf's moveset isn't derived from Fox; both movesets are derived from Arwing/Landmaster abilities. Same deal with Ike's counter

Rosalina's playstyle is interesting, but i don't think it's worthy of ruining her character. Her deal is about her being a motherly character and mind-controlling lumas into killing things for her or taking death blows for her is completely against it. that's not even bringing her Resumé into the question (from a series as big as Mario, she did too little for smash bros, IMO), but she really could've been unique in another way

and yet, Robin still use a sword, and not in a particularly unique fashion.

If chrom uses special moves that didn't involve his sword, problem solved. and with Lances, Axes, Bows, Skills and the Shield of seals there is PLENTY of room for Chrom to have that unique special-moveset people value so much (i dunno why, everybody liked Ike in Brawl and he brought literally nothing new to the table since his overall playstyle was done twice over) and it represents FE(A) much better to boot. Heck, it isn't unfeasible for Chorm to use weapon changing like Robin did since his Falchion is weak, sidegrades that can break seem reasonable.


People judge Chrom and Toad (and Dixie too) because they ahven't seen what Sakurai could've done with then. Mac and Shulk and especially Rosalina had a lot of people against them because of moveset potential. Look at they now. Heck, they are probaby going to be the 3 most popular newcomers this time

Smash never even ruined Rosalinas character. She's not mind controlling the Lumas or making them take the death blow for her. The Lumas want to fight alongside her and protect their mother figure. Lumas can't fight without help though so Rosalina gives them the power to do so. Also she did a lot to earn her spot in smash bros and she deserves to be here. She's one if the best newcomers here and this is the best way to make her the most unique.

 

[Raijinken]

By all accounts Marth's weapon of choice is now a large cooking knife instead of a sword, but it's fine because I'm swapping to Robin anyway.

 

[Soshii]

I stuck with Brawl Falcon until the end and they rewarded us.

 

[Moldy Clay]

I only have the demo to go by, since I don't follow people's impressions. They don't mean as much as experiencing it myself. Of the demo characters, the only one I played in past games is Link, and I played him in all of the games (originally solely, but this grew out).

As someone who played/mained Link/Toon Link a lot, I have nothing but good things to say.

He's faster, stronger, feels better overall, his N64 grab is back, has a new dash (which took getting used to, but I like the new range it has, including vertically) and some new attributes.

In Brawl, I transitioned away from Link over to Toon Link, but I am super excited for normal Link again after playing a lot of the demo.

I'm excited to test out all of the other characters I played in Brawl and see how many of them I still like playing as.

 

[Trickerhere]

Roy turned into this Roy

 

[KurashiDragon]

Pikachu has alot of cute animations that give extra frames to some of it's moves that it really didn't need. It also doesn't help that it got nerfed so hard making extremely difficult to kill much of anything. At least roflcopter cant be smash di'd out of anymore making it an.... interesting gimping tool.

 

[ferioku]

Kirby has been greatly buffed!

 

[guedes the brawler]

I can imagine what he'd do with them after Dark Pit and Lucina.

who were last minute clones. Both characters have a lot of potential to be unique but there was no time to make thme unique. Lucina has almost as much potential as Chrom (although giving her some skills like Vantage or Pavise could start shipping wars and i'm not sure Sakurai would do that. She can't use the shield of seals, too and weapon switichng is less viable for her); there is a crapton of weapons skills and items in Kid Icarus Uprising for a moveset for Dark Pit. he could even have as much inspiration as Megaman or MGW had.

When i said what i said previously, i am obviously assuming Sakurai has TIME to make the magic happen. And on chrom's case, the lack of bias.

Smash never even ruined Rosalinas character. She's not mind controlling the Lumas or making them take the death blow for her. The Lumas want to fight alongside her and protect their mother figure. Lumas can't fight without help though so Rosalina gives them the power to do so. Also she did a lot to earn her spot in smash bros and she deserves to be here. She's one if the best newcomers here and this is the best way to make her the most unique.

It doesn't look that way to me. at the point that moving her wand moves the lumas and she can use them as meat shields after all, why not, she can just summon another.

There is little separating Rosalina's treatment of the Lumas from Olimar's treatment of his pikmin, and we lal know how that guy. Because it's the same thing.


Did a lot? really now.

She was a side character in SMg, was barely relevant in SMG2, and was playable in 3DW only after the main quest was over. She was not particularly important in any of the spin-offs she got in besides the 3DS Mario PArty (IIRC), and she was only in about 10 games total, maybe a bit more.

For a series as big as mario, that's not nearly enough to justify a smash bros spot for a Mario representative. Compare with the other newcomer we got, bowser Jr: Main villain twice, significant villain in 4 games (including SMGs, where he is more present than Rosalina), and was in about 40 or so spin-offs by now (and frequently is a relevant villain in those, especially Mario Baseball)

 

[Deathcarter]

is an absolute monster now.

got many buffs and is looking very solid now. Plus he can jump out of shield now!

Haven't seen much of yet.

looks almost exactly the same as Brawl Ike give or take a few minor buffs/nerfs. Disappointing as hell.

 

[Tshockz]

Was my main in brawl. Hes actually looking to be good this time around so I am satisfied and his dash attack is such a good kill move now and covers a good distance.

 

[DrRek]

Well, my main's been Mario ever since the beginning of the series, and I have to say I'm really happy with the buff they gave him this time around.

These are the changes I've seen from Mario(from P:M)
Movement changes:
-increase of 19.07% to jump height. (I will say about 20% my measurements could be a bit off)
-jump distance is nearly the same
-fall speed has increased slightly(from a standard high-jump) Mario hits the ground at the same time as P:M(in P:M he falls a shorted distance)
-In P:M Mario's forward smash does 19% when sweet spotted. In 3DS I've only been able to get up to 18%.
-Mario's bair seems to have more knock back at higher % than in P:M but with low % it seems to have much less power than P:M
-also Mario's fair is just awesome gotta love that spike!

 

[DrRek]

I have only played the demos for 3DS and the Wii U version (at Smash Fest) and unfortunately Captain Falcon was on there. I'm looking forward to using him and seeing is custom moves.

 

[Saikyoshi]

: Yes, yes, yes. Even what others are considering nerfs are buffs to me, because accidental DJCing threw me off so many times. My only fear is that he'll be top-tier, and people will think I'm just hopping on the easy victory bandwagon rather than liking the character.

: Him, I'm scared for. He might even be worse than this time. He's gonna' take a little dedication to use.

: Others are skeptical, but I'm confident he'll be fine. Reflector may still not be cancellable, but it still reflects, and the current metagame is so projectile campy right now.

: Don't know too much about his specifics. Hopefully he'll be the fundamental Ryu archetype that / failed to be, and the current outlook is decent.

 

[MagnesD3]

One of mines got a huge change, he's practically been deleted from the game.

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

My main Pikachu seems to have nerfed kill power, but he does still have potential I believe. Pikachu is probably going to focus more on gimping.

If custom moves end up being allowed, then he also has a nice stunning projectile.

 

[Fathom778]

I just want to know if Ike is even better.
I know the move I call "Ike Airlines" doesn't leave you helpless in the air

 

[DougX]

I just want to know if Ike is even better.
I know the move I call "Ike Airlines" doesn't leave you helpless in the air

He is better... His flames are blue now. Instant buff in classiness.

In all seriousness, he apparently wasn't changed up very much from what I've seen, except like maybe one or so moves were sped up a little and the thing you mentioned.

 

[Fathom778]

He is better... His flames are blue now. Instant buff in classiness.

In all seriousness, he apparently wasn't changed up very much from what I've seen, except like maybe one or so moves were sped up a little and the thing you mentioned.

Yeah I've seen the blue flames. I think the red flames looked better, but hey, I'll live with it.