Our misconceptions on Wi-Fi expectations

[Kentalish]

lets see vist shadow run halo 2... new gears of war content.

still wouldnt pay that muc hmoney only 3 games look good on ps3... nintendo still has SD cards... and blocks of memory.

so yea what i meant is that Mircosoft makes computers and Nintendo doesnt... if nintendo did(That would be awsome) then its online would be better

 

[Eight Sage]

Of all the posts, this is the best so far:

I think what everyone is complaining about is Nintendo's lack of interest, support, and development for their Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection in comparison to Xbox Live and Playstation Network. Nintendo is seriously doing the least for the online community in comparison to the other big names of the industry.

Nowadays, Online gaming is very important... and Nintendo seems to be more interested in Family-play rather than online gaming.

The porpoise of online in Wii is only for downloading games and updates it seems...

 

[Master Peach]

Well done EPF. Your post are always great and well structured. Great job.

 

[DarthWolf42]

I completely agree. Why expect something like XBOX live on something that's less powerful and from a service that's free? Free things aren't always as good as you want.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

I think Chibi worded it best and in my opinion makes your point fairly invalid. It basically boils down to this is Wifi and not Live or the PSN.

The whole 'free' thing is already addressed with PSN. It's free and yet comparable to Live. Is it really that unreasonable to expect a compentent online systems? Is it illogical to expect a ranking system of some sort?

It's not as though we're talking about systems that are years apart. If someone was complaining about systems from years ago ,yeah I could see what you're saying. But we're talking about systems that are competing side by side.

The OP didn't address this but other posters brought it up. How is voice chat a problem? if you're afriad of "stupid teens" there's this option called "mute" perhaps you've heard of it?

I just feel that if you always expect less that's what you're always going to get.

edit: OH snap we already have a online topic.

Chibi did state some good points, but remember that Nintendo has beccome more of a non compatative profit organization rather than a competative one.

Nintendo Wi-Fi in my opinion was never ment to be looked upon more than an option to play people without having a physial person play with you. Wi-Fi's design is only established as a Multiplayer function and not a competative online service(Minus the human interaction).

Nintendo just isn't competative anymore, which possibly can explain their apathy towards online play.

 

[Tony_]

Halo ***s are what is killing their online community.

Smash BROS (or sisters ^_~) will play for the fun of it. =]

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Halo ***s are what is killing their online community.

Smash BROS (or sisters ^_~) will play for the fun of it. =]

I don't appreciate fanboyism. Even though we are Smash Bros players, alot of us like Halo, and that doesn't excuse you to be so blatantly biased about your personal opinion.

Take a hike.

 

[PilotEvan]

If you think we would play for the fun of it, and thus we're "better" than the people who play Halo, then why do you think the people who play Halo play Halo?

I'd assume for the same reason.

 

[po pimpus]

Sounds like you need to take a chill pill, or eighty-bajillion.

Nintendo's online is bad, they should know this by now. I'd rather pay for better online than to have crappy free online. It's so ironic that Sony is losing money yet they have better online than we do. Can you guess the price of PSN? I'll give you a hint, it's the same as Nintendo's.

I'm actually quite calm, really. Just a little dumbfounded at how everyone was expecting a system that's FAR less powerful than its competitors(if you can even call them that, it seems to me that Nintendo isn't marketing towards the same demographic as Sony and Microsoft) to provide a Playstation Network-type online infrastructure...

I'm not saying that it couldn't be done. However, it is quite apparent that Nintendo doesn't have much love for Online Gaming, and neither do I. It may be because I have a large group of friends to game with, or the fact that I actually DO travel to tournaments, that I never really cared whether or not I could play some guy way out in Timbuktu in a game of Smash(or Halo, or Madden, pick your poison)

No current online set-up, no matter how immersive it attempts to be, can EVER hope to replace the thrill of your friends(or complete strangers) cheering you on in a heated tournament match. No amount of Voice-Chat could ever duplicate trash-talking an opponent who's actually sitting across from you, and NO kind of faceless, lacking-in-personality, soulless artificial interface can ever create the kinds of memories and life-long friends and acquaintences I've met over the course of every single Smash-related event I've ever been to.

If anything, Nintendo has given me EXACTLY what I wanted out of online Smash-- Actual living, breathing opponents who(for the most part) think for themselves and can react to my every move, and do unexpected things at any moment that I can face 24-7, whether I want a silly, quick four-player melee, or an intense, thrilling battle of wit and skill through the use of sites like this and Friend Codes.

Sure, it may not be what everyone wanted, but at least it's something that EVERYONE, from the loweliest scrub, to the most seasoned tourney veteran can use quickly and efficiently...

And isn't that what we all most wanted out of Brawl's Online Mode from the get-go?

 

[Oldskool]

I believe that Nintendo has to step it up. I'm happy about online play, but Nintendo is 5 years behind. Online play, in today's day and age, requires voice chat, a buddy system, multiple modes, a ranking system, and fast servers. I believe Brawl will accomplish some of these like fast servers and multiple modes, but the other three are up in the air. I just hope to god voice chat is on it or it will get critically penalized.

I don't really care about leaderboards since the top 100 are just a bunch of obsessed nerds that don't have a job and have nothing to do but play 24/7.

I don't see why the hell people want voice chat, I honestly only use it strategically less that 20% of the time on Xbox live, the other 80% is me being annoying on purpose, cussing some one out (in an argument), or just talking about things that have nothing to do with the game I'm playing. It's just novelty that doesn't NEED to be added. But I do agree that in Random matches we need to be able to obtain FCs from random Smashers, I just cringe at the thought of having an EPIC MATCH with someone and almost never being able to play with them again.

And for the most part, I don't think anyone viewed this a chance to get famous, I think it was viewed as a better way to practice for in person tournaments. What separates computers from humans is the fact that humans aren't predictable (save any predictions that can be made because of the character they use), the average online player should provide competent practice for fighting humans.

 

[SiD]

Come on, even the DS has voice chat for some games. It would be easy for them to add in, obviously, and I would like to talk to at least my friends while playing.

 

[Master Peach]

Come on, even the DS has voice chat for some games. It would be easy for them to add in, obviously, and I would like to talk to at least my friends while playing.

Call them by phone, invite them to your house, online chat, etc. Problem solved.

Anything else before I hit the sack?

 

[Jossy]

you made the same point like 5 times... and that is that we expected too much
did u really need so many words?

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

you made the same point like 5 times... and that is that we expected too much
did u really need so many words?

Apparently, yes.

I made this half asleep and just decided to halt some of the whining.

 

[NES n00b]

I think you should have added that people whine about the part where Sakurai say the farther away you are the more lag will be present.

Since this is common knowledge, I don't know why people would equate that local regions would have humongus lag especially since he gave an example between Japan and America. >.> People whining about the fundamental truth of lag being present when playing people a long distance away from you is dumb. Plus, some lag is inevitable. All we can do is hope that it is not that bad.

Besides, everyone should go to smashfests and tournies anyways. That **** is always fun and it is not only because of Smash. You meet some really cool people at smash fests (and not cool ones but you can ignore them lol).

 

[Kirb94]

That's a good post. I actually like the barebones play. No one will become freaked or obsessed with winning.

 

[NES n00b]

A system's power has little to do with good online structure. . . . . . . . . . . .just want to throw that out there.

This is all I cared for online anyways. I just want practice when I can't go to tournies. Plus, I want to play some friends who do not live close to me anymore. I did wish that they would have voice chat for at least friends and I really do not see why not. I mean. . . you had to get the friendcode from the guy didn't you so shouldn't you be able to talk to him in a match when he is on your friend list. Maybe this is just because Nintendo will not release a headset in time which I don't get either since they have one for the DS.

What can you expect from Nintendo? They do some things brilliantly and screw up badly in others. That is how Nintendo has always worked.

 

[Dr Mario Kart]

Nintendo's goal isnt to be like Live, and so you wont see steps in that direction. Maybe they'd be more interested in a more robust and integrated online service if the two major proponents of it werent billions in debt. They've always been obsessed with cost efficiency.

 

[Girl]

I completely agree with you, but i think that people would be a lot more satisfied with at least a ranking system, and im basing this of the fact that even TETRIS has a ranking.

 

[Kentalish]

ok im liating good stuff about nintendos online for brawl since noone seems to read the whole update u have 4 things on the d pad to whatever u want when playing friends. Theres going to be other modes.


and smash roxs your sox so yea

 

[2007]

The fact that Wi-Fi is free of any cost counters out any negative features to it.

EXACTLY. that is all.

 

[Red Exodus]

I'm actually quite calm, really. Just a little dumbfounded at how everyone was expecting a system that's FAR less powerful than its competitors(if you can even call them that, it seems to me that Nintendo isn't marketing towards the same demographic as Sony and Microsoft) to provide a Playstation Network-type online infrastructure...

I'm not saying that it couldn't be done. However, it is quite apparent that Nintendo doesn't have much love for Online Gaming, and neither do I. It may be because I have a large group of friends to game with, or the fact that I actually DO travel to tournaments, that I never really cared whether or not I could play some guy way out in Timbuktu in a game of Smash(or Halo, or Madden, pick your poison)

No current online set-up, no matter how immersive it attempts to be, can EVER hope to replace the thrill of your friends(or complete strangers) cheering you on in a heated tournament match. No amount of Voice-Chat could ever duplicate trash-talking an opponent who's actually sitting across from you, and NO kind of faceless, lacking-in-personality, soulless artificial interface can ever create the kinds of memories and life-long friends and acquaintences I've met over the course of every single Smash-related event I've ever been to.

If anything, Nintendo has given me EXACTLY what I wanted out of online Smash-- Actual living, breathing opponents who(for the most part) think for themselves and can react to my every move, and do unexpected things at any moment that I can face 24-7, whether I want a silly, quick four-player melee, or an intense, thrilling battle of wit and skill through the use of sites like this and Friend Codes.

Sure, it may not be what everyone wanted, but at least it's something that EVERYONE, from the loweliest scrub, to the most seasoned tourney veteran can use quickly and efficiently...

And isn't that what we all most wanted out of Brawl's Online Mode from the get-go?

I was joking about the 80 bajillion chill pills thing, I do that a lot.

My absolute biggest gripe with Nintendo is that they ignore their competitors and live in their own world. The absolute least they could do is learn from MS or Sony who has had experience online.

I wasn't really expecting voice chat, text chat, leaderboards and anything of that sort, I was expecting at least some way to battle opponents who have a little experience. Even if the rank was so basic it was split into beginner, intermediate and advanced that would be good.

Don't get me wrong, I love that fact that SSBB is online but Nintendo is limiting everyone who has to work with their craptastic online.

I can't call over friends, btw. Most of my friends don't play games and the few that do either live far away or have a different taste in games. Gaming isn't big here so online is the best way to get away from killing level 9s all the time.

 

[darkNES386]

It's not that Nintendo is behind the times, I'm sure they could implement whatever they want. It's kinda just their philosophy. They like to keep it clean. I agree that most things about today's Wi-Fi service will never change unless there is a serious uproar, but most people will stay loyal to Nintendo whether or not there is communication or not.

I'd like to be able to communicate with my opponents, it's one of the things about playing online that I enjoy. However, the human competition is still a big bonus, and I'm glad that it's there.

It's almost as if Nintendo is avoiding the competition by doing this. By targeting kids, teens with strict parents, and older adults, they don't have to directly compete with Microsoft and Sony's teen to young adult audience.

Voice chat between friends would be great though. The Wii should be granted a microphone addition somehow, like they did with Pokemon. Pokemon, for crying out loud.

I agree. You just don't compare the Wii to Xbox or Sony. It's actually now like trying to compare football and soccer... they're just different. Nintendo has no reason to change their ways, they've been around longer than Microsoft's and Sony's VIDEO GAME consoles... so I trust them to move at their own pace and their own direction... online chatting and buddy lists may never be a direction they choose to take. Why conform to everyone else.

 

[Red Exodus]

Being different for the sake of being different is as stupid as following a trend mindlessly.

If they want their online to be different "just 'cuz..." it's not going to help them.

 

[Oldskool]

Being different for the sake of being different is as stupid as following a trend mindlessly.

If they want their online to be different "just 'cuz..." it's not going to help them.

Look at how the wii is doing WITHOUT decent online support. It's obvious they are going to say **** you to the hardcore online gamers.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Look at how the wii is doing WITHOUT decent online support. It's obvious they are going to say **** you to the hardcore online gamers.

Well.... not necessarily. >_>

 

[Red Exodus]

I'm not a hardcore online gamer. I've never played an online console game in my life.

 

[0rion]

Dang, and I really really wish that Wi-Fi wasn't so glitchy if u were to play a guy overseas. Hope they can fix this sometime in da near future.

And as far as da Brawl competition goes.........

......let da epic clash between all of us begin! BRING IT ON SUCKAS!