OS All-Stars: Game over! TOWN WINS!

[BarDulL]

I would like to keep Inferno around on the condition that he proves his power to us, it seems very easy for him to.

Do we know if OS changed the alliance of any of the roles at all? If not, that's a lil broken as we can confirm townies kind of easily with that knowledge.

It is very possible that some roles were changed in regards to alignment, I wouldn't count it out.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

^ Agreed.

I don't want to lynch HepAlien cuz he's good it's cuz of his posts. Sorry but to be frank Ranmaru is not the most intimidating scum. But whatever.

 

[HepAlien]

Okay. So I've read up and Nabe and I have talked (very briefly) and he's kind of blindsided by what's going on, as am I.

This is an excellent sentence and I love you for constructing it. Please help me ease in HepAliens death as the weaker minded players in this game will inevitably allow him to wiggle his way out of this.

What are we even wiggling out of? You've brought nothing against us. You didn't like Nabe's vote on Red Ryu; I didn't agree with it either and I don't know what his reasoning was. I'll get him to spell it out more after he's had a breather if it's that important to you. But that's all you've said on the matter. Is there something I'm missing?

Knew I should've changed our avatar before the game started....

Sho, why did you do this toDay? Especially with me and Ran? I don't think Ran has even posted yet. You put me in the awkward position of having to basically convince you guys to lynch someone I know nothing about, who could have a role more valuable than mine, just because someone else decided that I needed to get ****ed out of here over nothing.

ZV still looks like the play to me toDay. Not sure why Inferno's Undesirable No. 1 for the proper lynch. Sho makes me wanna vom every once in a while, but it's J so that makes sense. It looks like FroMar's just pointing at targets and shouting for their heads.

Will get in-depth on ZV in a minute. Just needed to wrap my arms around this 7 Flush BS while it was semi-fresh (sounds gross to the power of gross, forgive me). Bardull, I know you're looking for a full reads list, but that just ain't coming because more than half this game is totally null for me. Large games being what they are.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

I have tacos and Stew. NOW I'm here.

 

[BarDulL]

Bardull, I know you're looking for a full reads list, but that just ain't coming because more than half this game is totally null for me. Large games being what they are.

You better create a miracle then, I can't stop Frozenmarsh when they want something for dinner.

 

[HepAlien]

^ Agreed.

I don't want to lynch HepAlien cuz he's good it's cuz of his posts. Sorry but to be frank Ranmaru is not the most intimidating scum. But whatever.

>claims to want to lynch me for reasons other than that I'm good at scum.
>doesn't want to lynch Ran because he thinks Ran is not good at scum.

EBR Mafia is probably the worst thing to happen to my town game in recent memory.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

Die Jerkus!

 

[El ZV]

Still kind wow at the whole Ranmaru getting immunity from this <_<

 

[Meadowsizzle]

7 Flush HepAlien

Claim or die.

 

[BarDulL]

Ran isn't guaranteed immunity. We can still lynch his *** or 7flush swing him if he doesn't change up his act.

HepAlien, your play has been a bit stagnant this game. To be perfectly frank, your slot is a fat null which doesn't bode well for any of us. Lynching you on the premise that you're good and we could do without you is bad, sure, but that's not the only premise out there.

 

[HepAlien]

Ran getting immunity isn't a big deal. If he's town, he's probably not going to be scum's first choice for the NK anyway, and if he's scum, then the NK immunity is pointless to him. It just means that, if we have a vig, they're going to have to target an inactive other than him toNight.

The bigger issue is that my slot's ****ed for no reason.

Seriously getting to ZV now.

 

[BarDulL]

I'm ok with a Hep claim at this point. I'm pretty sure he's only one flush vote away from guaranteed death.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

7 Flush HepAlien

Claim or die.

Who's scum?

 

[El ZV]

Still kind of*

 

[El ZV]

I had that fix open in my browser for so long lol, stupid flood control.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

Chibo and DH if I had to say right now. Krys looked absolutely horrible, but I think he's absolutely horrible. I'll be right if you give me a minute.

Scum list and vig list tonight.

 

[El ZV]

Seriously getting to ZV now.

The only reason I'm so wow'ed about it is because it was about the last thing I expected at the moment, and frankly is a useful power that could have been better used later I think, but w/e.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

Well I don't.

But it's justified to get a move on because Chibo is a weird player in general and his play isn't exactly anti-town or pro-town every game I've played with him.

My only reasons for no lynch on Chibo right now is cuz Xivii is hydra'd with him and I want to see more info pulled from the day.

This is the page I'm picking up on and this is why I mentioned Krys. So ****ing grimy.

 

[frozenmarsh751]

I'm not opposed to a ZV lynch. He seems to be the consensus and there're things about his play that have bothered me. More importantly my first and second mates Joey/John and Ruy support that and I am down to be a bro.

Part of me REALLY wants to think that there's something fruitful in the early MSizzle/Toad/Sho interactions but I can't place my finger on it ATM. Would love to hear what Laundry has to say about all this.

If we let the Inferno lynch go, we need to have a scummier player drop da hammah so Inferno can potentially cap dat ***.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

I may ask you about Ruy by the time I finish reading.

What did Inferno do? I assume he's completely ****tarded by default, but in this case. He claimed Vengeful?

 

[Inferno3044]

Wolverine - Town Vengeful Vigilante is my role. Can only kill people who vote me at the end of the day or hammer. Wish I had a more viable vig role but I gotta work with this.

 

[BarDulL]

Inferno, how is outing that information make you useless?

 

[BarDulL]

Ugh, well, either way, it wasn't a horrible reveal in the slightest, but you're going to have to prove it.

 

[BarDulL]

Oh yeah, I forgot to respond to you earlier. My vote on you wasn't because you were asking about Setzer. It was a culmination of posts and the Setzer post was was the straw on that broke the proverbial camel's back.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

Wolverine - Town Vengeful Vigilante is my role. Can only kill people who vote me at the end of the day or hammer. Wish I had a more viable vig role but I gotta work with this.

That was in Superheroes. I read Gheb as indy when he had that. Someone should cross reference that with scum roles that could fit to as a safe claim.

**** my original question, I'll just read.

 

[BarDulL]

Oh yeah, I forgot to respond to you earlier. My vote on you wasn't because you were asking about Setzer. It was a culmination of posts and the Setzer post was was the straw on that broke the proverbial camel's back.

Oh yeah, I forgot to respond to you earlier; my vote on you wasn't because you were asking about Setzer, it was because you had made a culmination of useless posts and the Setzer post was the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back.

Fixed*

 

[Meadowsizzle]

God, but Bardull got played. I love Stew.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

EL ZV, I really don't get this because if it is terrible and "really horrible", why are you not voting Krys or even doing anything besides just saying it's terrible. You just seem justified in defending yourself and not doing much else which is a reason why I am content with your wagon happening because you aren't being pro-town.

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Hep, Town and Scum can both act frantically and over-defensive. It is a null-tell that depends on the situation that they are frantic and over-defensive. In Chibo's case, I am starting to see it as more of a scum-tell than an actual null-tell.

Also I am not giving El ZV a free pass nor did I ever say that. I just said I saw more of his play being silly>scummy at the time and thought more people deserved the RVS pressure wagon. I also never said ZV didn't irk me so again "..."

I would like from you some more concrete things because I agreed with Inferno asking you a question about who your scum-reads were because you didn't really flesh out that you had a distaste with Sho/El ZV because you didn't really say as much but then you give a comment that it was "clear" when it really wasn't. Also why is disagreeing with you on El ZV = scummy? What makes you of Krys then?

This is pure gold.

 

[HepAlien]

502 is wrecking me, post on its way when I break through.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

I didn't say I was willing to lynch him right now! I said I was up for the wagon if it comes to that and nothing else comes to light. If anything, I'm against lynching him at this very moment.

I literally don't have any problem with Chibo's posts except for what has been said already; the whole omgus style wagon read that he's doing.




I'm still in evaluation but I think Make it Rain! is working hard toward reads and effectively, calling out meadow earlier made me feel townvibes.

Meadow I have no idea other than the interactions above.

I'm more interested in Sho based on the interaction between him and MiR in 361 and 371. Not sure if they make me feel scumvibes or not from Sho.

Disgustingly safe. Doesn't stick his neck out for anything. Vig 'em.

Seriously, read that first paragraph. Lynch Chibo, shoot him. Shoot him, lynch Chibo.

 

[Inferno3044]

Inferno, how is outing that information make you useless?

Because my shot choices have severely diminished. Like I seriously have no idea how to effectively play this role.

Ugh, well, either way, it wasn't a horrible reveal in the slightest, but you're going to have to prove it.

I plan to. Anybody who moves off me right now I am considering scum. Also the hammer will be decided by multiple members of the town.

@mod - Request votecount

 

[Bubbly Masquerain]

What defines "Voting you at the end of the Day"?

 

[Inferno3044]

When a lynch is reached, that person's vote is on me. For example let's say El ZV gets lynched, MiR hammers and Dark Horse and your vote is on me. I can only kill the 3 people I mentioned.

 

[Bubbly Masquerain]

Ahhh okay, thanks.

Is it One-Shot, I presume?

If you choose to not use it toDay, you can use it toMorrow?

 

[BarDulL]

Because my shot choices have severely diminished. Like I seriously have no idea how to effectively play this role.



I plan to. Anybody who moves off me right now I am considering scum. Also the hammer will be decided by multiple members of the town.

@mod - Request votecount

Unvote

There's no point keeping my vote on you if you're not dying toDay. We'll decide later who dies.

 

[BarDulL]

Still don't like Meadowsizzle. Not sure what he is trying to gain by making posts like "Stew played BarDulL." Attempting to attack my reputation why, exactly?

Vote Ranmaru

Post something.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

Still don't like Meadowsizzle. Not sure what he is trying to gain by making posts like "Stew played BarDulL." Attempting to attack my reputation why, exactly?

I'm good, but I don't know that I can hit a target that small.

 

[BarDulL]

Nah, no target hit. But you're not gaining anything from firing shots that don't need to be fired.

 

[HepAlien]

BREAK ON THROUGH, TO THE OTHER SIDE.

Okay, so, just to be clear, this is where I left things with ZV and Sho.

ZV's hydra questions were useless but ultimately innocuous to my eyes. His defensiveness upon his wagon was the head turner.

@ZV: I think 1 out of the 5 questions you asked in your 212 got answered. Is that a problem for you? I haven't seen you come back to that at all.

....

Yes it is. Maybe meta tells you that Chibo does these things as town as well, but those are absolutely characteristics that should normally raise red flags.

J, talk to me about this free pass you're giving the ZV slot. Meta weakening a scum read is one thing; letting a slot coast on bad play without so much as inquiring about it is another. It irks me that ZV doesn't irk you at least a little.

Here is how ZV decided to answer my question to him.

It was more than 1. At least two, though I think actually three got answered. I don't really care at this point though, I stopped keeping count. The questions did what I wanted them to, they got some discussion flowing, got us out of RVS, and while I was at it I got some of the questions answered to get a general feel for some of the hydras in the game. If it ever becomes a pressing issue later then I can bring the subject back up.

His answer is basically just "No, I don't care about that. I was just trying to get out of RVS."

But let's examine that. What had ZV claimed was his specific reasoning for the questions in the first place.

I do not however think that the questions were useless. At least they were about the game and not more random posts with pictures of anime and voting someone with doing nothing else. There's a lot of hydras in the game, and I'm just trying to wrap my mind around that. Get a better feel for the player slots here. See if anyone in particular is in command of each hydra, maybe how the hydra started, gauge their enthusiasm and effort they'll have for the game, etc. Mafia is a game all about knowing who you are playing with, so asking questions like that is really useful imo.

He says he doesn't think his questions were useless. That he indeed asked them not just to try to push us out of RVS (which he should stop taking credit for), but also because he felt legitimately useful information would be brought about from the answers.

But remember, he doesn't care if they get answered now. He was just asking those questions to ask them. He wanted to look like he was doing something useful, which is why he keeps clinging to this idea that he singlehandedly rescued us from the burning building that is RVS. What a hero! Give that man all of this city's finest *****s and blow!

Tell me, ZV. You see two, no wait three, or maybe two SOME OF THE QUESTIONS did get answered. You're pretty sure. How are you using those answers? Since you can't even seem to remember how many people actually bothered to get back to you, I'm assuming you also don't know who those people were. Explain to me how you're going to use that rich information to form your reads, you towny, towny mother ****er, you.

Also, if I may tangent on Sho for a moment:

This is him responding to my 409 (among other things).

EL ZV, I really don't get this because if it is terrible and "really horrible", why are you not voting Krys or even doing anything besides just saying it's terrible. You just seem justified in defending yourself and not doing much else which is a reason why I am content with your wagon happening because you aren't being pro-town.

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Hep, Town and Scum can both act frantically and over-defensive. It is a null-tell that depends on the situation that they are frantic and over-defensive. In Chibo's case, I am starting to see it as more of a scum-tell than an actual null-tell.

Also I am not giving El ZV a free pass nor did I ever say that. I just said I saw more of his play being silly>scummy at the time and thought more people deserved the RVS pressure wagon. I also never said ZV didn't irk me so again "..."

I would like from you some more concrete things because I agreed with Inferno asking you a question about who your scum-reads were because you didn't really flesh out that you had a distaste with Sho/El ZV because you didn't really say as much but then you give a comment that it was "clear" when it really wasn't. Also why is disagreeing with you on El ZV = scummy? What makes you of Krys then?

Notice how he flips on ZV immediately, but cautiously, after I've expressed distaste with his freepass on ZV. He doesn't want to look like he's swinging as hard as he is, but he knows that he does have to cover his ***.

Sho, while you never directly said "I'm giving ZV a free pass," that is what you were doing by being willing to dismiss his scummy play as "silly" before analyzing it any further. The fact that you defended your position while also changing it to a different, more reasonable one, is evidence that ZV never deserved to be given that benefit of the doubt in the first place. Most other people seemed to see that right away, but you didn't.

Hep, Town and Scum can both act frantically and over-defensive. It is a null-tell that depends on the situation that they are frantic and over-defensive. In Chibo's case, I am starting to see it as more of a scum-tell than an actual null-tell.

^This part in particular is my favorite, because there's just so much nothing in it. You defend your statement that franticness and defensiveness are null-tells (what? What isn't a null-tell to you then?). Then call what Chibo was doing a scum-tell, because for him that's what it is, even though you had dismissed it as a null-tell earlier. With no explanation for any of it.

Vote: ZV

Would be willing to go ZV or Sho for the proper lynch. Might actually prefer Sho on sheer play, but the Setzer thing gives me pause. Inferno wagon doesn't make any sense. In regards to the Flush, I don't know, figure it out. It's a stupid situation to be placed in right now and I don't really have any way of dealing with it. Only thing stopping me from saying just get rid of Ran for being inactive (and Ran) is that this is an OS game and he'd probably flip Town Super Winner of Profound Truth or something else that we could probably use later.

 

[Bubbly Masquerain]

Finally, someone who understands.

*High-Five Hep*