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Lovage

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thanks for watching guys that was a lot of fun
we had 80-90 people (viewers + guests) watching during teams which was cool

we played for about 3 hours, started with teams (malva + lovage vs. s2j + kefit) and then i did 1v1s with malva for a few matches and EPIC LINK DITTOS with s2j.
and i showed amazing youtube videos during any downtime

LOL fun stuff thanks for watching
 

chuckj

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thank you

youtube videos were cool, the Luigi ;)'in and the kangoroo were the best!


and cool matches too haha :D

lets do it again
 

KoRoBeNiKi

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Better than most FPSs, actually. Nothing near Quake competitively but it beats out Halo 3 and the modern Call of Duties.

Shame you have to change stuff in the game to make it competitive though.
Isn't this the same as smash :p
 

Superstar

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Yes, it is. XD Random critical hits and damage spread.

The awesome thing though is that Valve, after we make a "hack" to make it more competitive, they add cvars to the game in order to make it changeable. Like, critical hits were patched in as a cvar after the game came out, and random damage spread disabling came later as well.

Random damage spread meant that the same weapon with the same spread and the same range could do anywhere from -25%->25%. Since one skill in an FPS is guessing how much damage they have, AND there's damage falloff on top, it really made things hard. After we came with a hack to remove the spread, Valve IMMEDIATELY lowered the default range to -10%->10%, and added a cvar to remove it entirely for competitive games.

If only Sakurai was nearly as good. :D

These matches happened near midnight Pacific or?
 

MattNF

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Yes, it is. XD Random critical hits and damage spread.

The awesome thing though is that Valve, after we make a "hack" to make it more competitive, they add cvars to the game in order to make it changeable. Like, critical hits were patched in as a cvar after the game came out, and random damage spread disabling came later as well.

Random damage spread meant that the same weapon with the same spread and the same range could do anywhere from -25%->25%. Since one skill in an FPS is guessing how much damage they have, AND there's damage falloff on top, it really made things hard. After we came with a hack to remove the spread, Valve IMMEDIATELY lowered the default range to -10%->10%, and added a cvar to remove it entirely for competitive games.

If only Sakurai was nearly as good. :D

These matches happened near midnight Pacific or?
Yeah, Valve loves competitive gaming. Just look at the new blog posts on teamfortress.com.

Can't say that about Nintendo...

but too bad 6vs6 tf2 is ********
 

MattNF

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how is it ******** seems fine to me
For one, you only play with 6 players on a team in a game with 9 characters. Teams are almost always 2 soldier, 2 scout, 1 demo, 1 medic. Yeah, I know most other characters are terrible at a high level (much like tiers in SSB) but why not play Highlander mode? At least it'd be better than the borefest of Scouts, Soldiers and Demos all the time.

Two, you only play a a handful of maps (but I guess that can be said with SSB, too)

Three, TF2 is slow as hell. It's basically the Brawl of FPS games.
 
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For one, you only play with 6 players on a team in a game with 9 characters. Teams are almost always 2 soldier, 2 scout, 1 demo, 1 medic. Yeah, I know most other characters are terrible at a high level (much like tiers in SSB) but why not play Highlander mode? At least it'd be better than the borefest of Scouts, Soldiers and Demos all the time.

Two, you only play a a handful of maps (but I guess that can be said with SSB, too)

Three, TF2 is slow as hell. It's basically the Brawl of FPS games.

Every class has their role and if the team synergies well it can beat many standard teams. The only class that I can say is bottom tier is the fat *** heavy that often drags people down with him because he is such a slow fat ***. He is decent on defense though.

For example, Spies can turn the tides like crazy and work well with teams that distract the enemy using scouts.

Pyros have great utility (but not in all maps) and are great ambushers, reflectors of projectiles, and like spies are great if say the scouts distract the enemy

Snipers can single handledly clutch the game and are very viable on 90% of maps, many pro teams start off games using double sniper on certain maps to **** the heads of people as they rush to middle. Snipers can force a medic and his buddy off a point where a spy or scout can sneak in to ninja the final point.


Basically, it all comes down to good teamwork. I will admit though that most top teams follow the standard formula with some European top teams having whack lineups like a constant heavy.

Highlander mode, more people should play yes

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Handful of maps isn't bad, a small number of good maps is better than a large number of crappy **** sucking ones (for competitive play).

People are definitely trying to solve this problem by making more cp maps that are experimented on people in random leagues, some of the maps are actually pretty good like Cp_follower, others are bad like cp_science




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TF2 isn't slow and if you think about it, it's more fast paced then CS 1.6, one of the most popular, skill-based fpses, where meticulous strategy, often slow-paced movement usually happens before the action occurs.

Almost all maps in TF2 is a crazy rush to mid in the beginning where demomen, soldiers blow themselves up to get to middle and (often) the 2 scouts battle the other 2 scouts in the middle. So many different variables can happen in every single middle fight as well as the rest of the round.

So it's not really like the FPS of brawl either, to me it's an actual decent FPS spectator sport where other FPSes are unwatchable.

Now CS: Source or DOD: Source are more like the brawl versions of the original CS 1.6 and DOD.
 

Superstar

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The reason its 6v6 and not 5v5, or 7v7, or 8v8 is becauseone had to be decided as a standard. 6v6 was the one, 7v7 would have been fine too. 12v12 is too spammy ESPECIALLY if there are good players playing. 6v6 is spammy too, if you didn't know.

Highlander is also terrible. It doesn't even have the character switch aspect that sometimes happens in 6v6 [one of each class is required]. Only noobs favor Highlander, who defend it because it was "the way it was meant to be played".

Better teams deviate from the 2 Scouts, 2 Soldiers, 1 Medic, 1 Demoman, while that's the basic format they might have the Scouts on general utility. Spy, Sniper, and Pyro **** DOES happen. EDIT: If a team has a good Sniper, its VERY useful.

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Another reason for 6 and not 12 is because even getting 6 people together for a scrim is a pain in the ***. Can you imagine 12?

It has nothing to do, really, but it is a diss so. :D

Stream more videos *****. :3
 
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edit: No more offtopic discussion or the thread is toast
 

Superstar

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Yes. Matt, if you want to continue, IM me. You likely won't convince anyone, so there's no point posting a counter argument here.

BACK TO STREAAAAAMING!
 

MattNF

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lol who said I was trying to convince anyone

but yeah, fireblaster might stream later tonight or something.
 
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ok somebody im me when he does and i'll add his stream here
 

malva00

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if you add his stream better make note that it might have immature kids talking on the mic about fapping and what have you
 

Dash_Fox

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CS is not one of the most skill based FPS games... at all. It's about medium in the skill standards of FPS. It's too slow and instant bullet weapons means you don't have to time anything. Team fortress 2 is also too slow. This doesn't mean that I'm saying these 2 games aren't fun, but when it comes down to video game skill these 2 don't cut it. TFC was much more skill based than TF2 or CS 1.6/source.

Tribes is the ultimate team work skill FPS.

Quake is the ultimate 1v1 skill FPS.
 
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Ur right but can you name any more games that take more skill than just those two games?



Streaming is really great and fun to do
 

Superstar

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How about this, if you want to continue something, quote something here, and continue in the Social Thread? I mean, I'd like to have this discussion, as there are some parts I agree with and it is a fun one, but it's unfair to s2j to have it.

I'm not a mod and this isn't an attempt at a minimod, I just don't want them to have to intervene on an otherwise good topic. =/

And loool Malva.
 
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Jaime you want to join in too? All west coasters that don't suck are allowed
 
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Surri you have the dumbest infractions ever, you want me to type a message more than 1 line in something that can easily be expressed in one line?


also that wasn't even a real one liner, dumb *****
 

Surri-Sama

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No, I expect you not to post irrelevant posts, from MattNFs dig forward its all bull****

Common guys....this thread has already been closed before because rules cant seem to be followed :(

Edit: Lol i used an auto correct spell thingy and got the wrong word, nice catch Near_ :)
 
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You are hella dumb then, since all I said was to not get me started like last time, which means I don't want to pursue the topic. Is this what I get for trying to keep the discussion out? ******* piece of **** brain
 
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Actually Near that is a word, not the way you spelled it though
 
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Of course, you can play since you are San Diego (not sure if you reach minimum skill level tho)

are you going to go to Pat's House tournament?
 
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