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On Professional Gaming

JKJ

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This is an essay I wrote a few days ago about professional gaming and it's place in the world today. Feel free to disagree, comment, or simply discuss the topic below. Thanks for reading, sorry it's so long, I had a lot to say. Happy reading!

On Professional Gaming

Over the years that I have played video games casually, I have grown to realize the potential for deep, meaningful experiences that lies within. With fantastic experiments in this media form coming from every angle (the Indie developers with games like Fez and Lone Survivor, and the mainstream developers with games like Spec Ops: The Line), why is it that video games still fail to be taken as seriously as any other form of media; for example, film, or literature? The answer lies in the limitations placed on the audience by mainstream developers.

The video gaming community as a whole has grown to become defined, in the eyes of the uninformed public, by the latest incarnation of insert-violent-first-person-shooter-here. I myself have heard many an adult criticize video games as a whole on the basis of hearing that a depressed teen shot up his high school, and that that teen was a gamer. “It’s those damn video games,” I’ve often heard teachers say, “They’re turning kids into killers.” But the same teacher might assign the class to read an extremely violent novel, such as the incredible book Blood Meridian by Cormac McCarthy. Much of this can be attributed to the way in which mainstream developers advertise their games (EA, I’m looking at you), but also to how mainstream video games handle mature topics like violence. The Call of Duty series is one of the most heavy-handed violators in this case, making the deaths of soldiers in war seem trivial and minimizing the impact of murder on the player. Another particularly vile offender is Mortal Kombat (sorry, FGC). Their overuse of violent imagery and gruesome over-extended death cutscenes makes the video game community as a whole look like a group of angry, disturbed children, who sate their desire for blood and violence by playing these brutal games.

The popularity of these types of games creates a sense amongst non-gamers that this is the norm is our medium, that violent indulgence is the purpose of video games as a whole. The mainstream publishers try to appeal to teens and kids with their overuse of violent and mature imagery (Grand Theft Auto) because they know that this is what draws in that ever-growing, highly profitable demographic. I hold that adolescents do not actually desire violent indulgence in over-exaggeration, but rather they desire to be viewed as more mature, as “young adults”, not teens. Who among us has not experienced this feeling, this need to be accepted as an adult, as an equal to those older than us? The major flaw in the video game community is the connection that is made between mature content and actual maturity. This mishandling of mature content leads to the most prominent assumption made about gamers of any age: Playing video games = immaturity.

What makes this stereotype so hard to flush out is that it is largely based in truth. It is true that a large portion of video game sales can be attributed to teens and kids playing games far too mature for them, from popular, mainstream developers. We’ve all seen more than one video or heard more than one recording of kids on Xbox live spouting racial slurs or other immature, hateful remarks. This is the face of video gaming. As sad as that is, it’s true. The way we are viewed as a media form is based upon this group of immature, hateful adolescents forged by the trash games spewed out by the mainstream developers. The true face of the video gaming community, as we all know, is the one that is never broadcasted on the news or in a viral video on YouTube. This is the community that welcomes all people, of all ages, from all walks of life, to participate in this great, unique, interactive medium. This is the community that we belong to, but not many people care enough to see that.

Professional gaming, by extension, is viewed as childish and silly, and is often disregarded. The reason that professional videogame tournaments fail to garner as much attention as, say, sports, or chess, or poker is because of the image we have earned ourselves in the eyes of the general public. We let this disgusting behavior define our community for far too long, and now we are paying the price.

Another misconception about games in general is that they spark anti-social behavior in gamers. This could not be further from the truth. Games do not create anti-social behaviors. Games simply provide a safe hiding place for anti-social people to reside and coast through life. Video games are not the cause of anti-social behavior, they are merely the outlet for socially inept or awkward people to express themselves. Games, more now than ever with the advent of the internet and the implementation of widespread online multiplayer, are largely a social medium. Even single-player games now spark online discussion and interaction, as well as real-life discussions amongst friends concerning strategies, in game experiences, secrets, and the like. Games are a social media, and people need to realize that before stereotyping gamers as anti-social, brooding, violent teenagers.

Professional gaming is seen as a joke to many. I know from experience that people think less of you if they discover that you are a competitive gamer, as it is largely seen as an attempt to resist growing up. Members of my own family have ridiculed me for attending tournaments, and my own mother refuses to allow me to talk to anyone at the tournaments outside of the event. No exchanging of numbers, no setting up days to get together and play, none of that. These people, my mother assumes, are types that she does not want me conversing or associating with. This is largely due to the major misconceptions about gamers that she holds to be true. She does not want me to become that stereotypical anti-social gamer, and she fails to realize the inherently social nature of what I am doing. It’s not as if I am someone plagued with social problems, either. I constantly go out with friends and I have an active social life outside of the melee community, as does nearly everyone in the melee community. Moreover, I am not neglecting my education either. I am second in my class, and participate in more extracurricular activities than anyone I know. However, she assumes that my interest in professional gaming is a bad sign, a sign that she has done something wrong as a parent, and she tries her heart out to discourage me from continuing it.
Another example: My brother. I am the younger of two brothers, and my older sibling is right now in his second year of college. For my entire life, my brother has been the best at video games. Period. Every single one of his friends, and every single one of my friends, knows that he is the master of video games. He is famous in my family for beating Sonic the Hedgehog as a small child with the controller upside-down. He has a knack for games of any type, and has been known to pick up a brand new game and beat you at it, even if you have been playing it for years. He’s a natural.

My entire childhood was spent losing to him. He would win any and every game we played, no matter what it was, be it Diddy Kong Racing for the Nintendo 64, the original Super Smash Brothers, or the old NES game Spy vs. Spy. I could not win against him. Naturally, when we picked up Super Smash Brothers Melee, he was the best. Our friends obsessed over the game, he only played whenever someone else wanted to. And he always won. This is what pushed me to get into the game competitively, and so I believed, of course, that he would be right alongside me in doing this. I thought he would love to play at a higher level, to actually face challenging players and to learn new tactics. But I was wrong. He has done nothing but criticize and ridicule my foray into the professional gaming world, calling it “immature” and “ a bad life choice”. He tells people we know that “this idiot (meaning me) actually thinks he can make a living off of playing video games” when that is entirely untrue. I know that this is a hobby and not at all a way to support myself at all. Honestly, I would love playing in tournaments even if the money wasn’t there. He tells me that going to professional tournaments is “dumb”, that people who attend them have “no life”, and when I explained the unfortunate events of Pound V to him, he simply stated that “Anyone who gets mad that they didn’t get their money is ridiculous; if you enter a video game tournament, you’re lucky that they are paying you at all. It’s just a video game.

I have been extremely caught off guard by this response from my brother. Is this the same brother who stayed up until midnight for the release of Brawl and then played it for eight hours straight? Is this the same brother who will play Super Mario Strikers Charged for three days almost non-stop to claim the #1 spot on the leaderboards? Is this the same brother who has taken Mario Superstar Baseball to an insane level, complete with rankings for each individual character at each individual position compiled into one notebook? I found this hard to believe.

Then I realized: my brother is a fan of video games; that is certain. He is also a fan of competitive gaming in the sense that if any big-name smasher, say Armada, was to come to our house and challenge him, he would play against them until his hands fell off if that’s what it took to beat them. But if I told him that Armada was not just some guy, but was a tournament smasher, my brother would refuse to play against him and would disregard him as a person with “no life” and “no friends”. Just because I assigned the tag “professional gamer” to him. This has been one of the most eye-opening experiences for me during my professional gaming career: Even video game lovers dislike the tournament scene, simply because they believe it to be a place where anti-social degenerates and misfit children go to convene and play a game and ignore “real life”. And this is largely due to the way we are represented in the public eye. It all comes back to the stereotypical “gamer” as one of two archetypal characters: the rage filled teen spouting ignorant and hateful remarks over Xbox live, or the forty-year old creep living in his mother’s basement, refusing to grow up. This is what people believe the video game tournament scene is, and we as a community have done nothing about it.

To make professional gaming more of an accepted hobby, we have to change the way the public sees video games. That means that we have to be more conservative in our approach to mature content in games, and we have to treat said mature content with the appropriate respect. As I mentioned before, Spec Ops: The Line is a brilliant first-person-shooter that allots the appropriate respect to the topics of war and death. Playing Spec Ops does not make killing the enemies fun, it actually makes killing them feel so wrong that you almost cannot bring yourself to do it. It shows a very real and intensely violent depiction of what war is really like, and how irrational and violent it is. The game treats murder with the appropriate respect, unlike Call of Duty or Mortal Kombat. Games like Spec Ops can serve to make our beloved hobby more respected by the public at large.

We cannot simply stand by and let video games slip into this chasm of immaturity, as it will only lead to more diminishing respect for the idea of professional gaming. All professional gamers wish, in their hearts, that one day their skills will earn them a chance to compete on the same stage as other professionals such as baseball, hockey, football, poker, or chess players. Our community, however, will never grow to receive this widespread recognition if we do not stop pandering to the immature adolescent audience and strive to gain more respect as a media. Literature, film, and music are all seen as legitimate pursuits, and all have awards that are given out to the best in the field. They are pursuits where one’s talent can earn him critical acclaim and a steady income. And, one day, if we handle this pivotal time seriously, video gaming can take its place with the other forms of media as a prestigious and widely accepted pursuit.
 

Armada

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Kinda sad to read some of this stuff. I can't understand how blind a lot of people are. Why would you not be able to have a social life just because you play a video game?

I guess it's the norm that "gamers/Competitive gamers" are that way. I actually saw when the hate towards gamers into competitive gamers happend. I have been playing videos games longer then I can remember and my first years in elementary school a lot of people thought videos games were more for geeks exc. After a few years more people started to play more (at least be more open with it) (the norm changed I guess) especially games like World of warcraft.

After this people started to focus more hate around competitive gameing. In the begining of this "era" I heard a lot of people ask like "how can you compete in video games" or " how much do youu play" (not in a good way many times).

But the funny thing we realized many times was that they actually did play more then me per day but some of them tried to denied it afterwards because of the norm :p

Well eventually people learn about this stuff too and today when someone finds out Im a competitive gamer I usually get a way better reaction even if some people are skeptical ofc.

Edit:
" Members of my own family have ridiculed me for attending tournaments, and my own mother refuses to allow me to talk to anyone at the tournaments outside of the event. No exchanging of numbers, no setting up days to get together and play, none of that. These people, my mother assumes, are types that she does not want me conversing or associating with. This is largely due to the major misconceptions about gamers that she holds to be true. She does not want me to become that stereotypical anti-social gamer, and she fails to realize the inherently social nature of what I am doing"

For those people that have this problem I would actually take a friend home to my place (a competitive gamer ofc) but never pretend he was a proffesional gamer. Not because it should be this way but I would take home a person that is really good in social aspects. Eventually after brining this person home a few times you can tell them that he is a competitive gamer. If they get "evidence" I guess the chances are bigger they change their mind, especially if you tell them after they have been saying good things about your friend.
 

KrIsP!

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I love how parents don't want people to socialize with presumably anti-social people. Society is the reason we're anti-social, apparently we can't meet up with each other! I personally have to write an essay on whether or not the internet is dividing people and making them lonelier and a lot of what I read on the matter made me bias towards it being so but then I thought...oh yeah smash. People are meeting each other in person from all parts of the world and there's a lot of diversity here.

People still find it weird; I still don't want to tell my parents about it but I really hate this bias against competitive gaming. It's like I have to come out of the closet for being someone who enjoys socializing with people who share a common interest.

As for your idea armada to bring a someone over and say it's just a friend, it's kind of what I'm trying to set up right now. I found people who live within walking distance who play smash and really just are normal people, so there really isn't much they can say on the matter once I show them who I'm with.
 

odinNJ

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This essay holds so much truth,

As a highschooler myself it took forever to convince my mom to allow me to go to tournaments.
Even after my first one (got 4 stocked by everyone :D) she would say things like "your never going to win, all these people do is play this game."

My response was that I didnt care about winning, I wanted to play good players and meet other people who also enjoyed this amazing game.

For some reason my dad gets it, he even knows the names of a few pros and always asks me if they will be at the next tournament Im going to.

At Rom he let me stay until 11 just to finish my pools that I was never going to get out of.

MORAL: There are some people who understand that our hobby is viable and accept it, I salute these people and I hope that more people will become like them due to our changing society.
 

GhllieShdeKnife

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If i did not go out to play video games every week i would probably just stay at home most of the time. I am not very social and often become overwhelmed by the presence of many people. I have incorperated competitive gaming into my coping mechanisms and i think competitive gaming has brought me out of a great deal of isolation. isnt it a good thing that anti-social people are making efforts to expand their social circles? my parents have been very supportive of my playing smash and will ask how i did when i get home and i believe that is the absolute best thing a parent can do with their children; support them to make their own decisions to foster independent growth and keep an open channel of communication.
thanks to all the people who have been so welcoming into the community
 

poega

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No offence dude but ur family seems ****ed. I have the luxuary of living in sweden where people are a bit more open-minded about new stuff than some parts of the US, although I most deifnitely know what ur talking about.

In the end this always happens at some point to widespread new activities like these that are not accessible to a larger chunk of the public. You decided to game despite pressure from society so it should be pretty evident that its something that you enjoy. The biggest challenge in life is getting to know yourself and "caving" to something like this is a huge step backwards.

As for myself, I lost many many friends (that im now chill with again) due to heavy gaming but I've got just as many, and because i've played competitively I've trained my brain in quick-decision making, strategy and general logic. I've also learned english solely from gaming which in turn helped me make many amazing friends in the united states when I was there as an exchange student. I can honestly say that I am happy I've gamed all these years and think it was extremely "worth it".
 

Sixth-Sense

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Great essay, i actually saved it just in case, although i would space out the paragraphs, i got lost sometimes scrolling down because of the never ending wall of text.

on the subject of hate towards gameing, i've heard/read/seen many times the ignorance that comes from anybody that doesn't even try to understand why they like to play it so much. I'm glad my mom's rational and doesn't just say bull**** at anything i state, i even tried explaining why competitve video games aren't as popular or accepted by the mainstream folk as sports, some of the responses was "sports are physical" my response was competitive video games are mental, like chess, pshicological, like chess, and recuire hand-eye coordination that is also present in the majority of sports. Then it was "it's just a video game" i love it when anybody says that, because what are sports? GAMES, physical games, nothing more, now if somebody or a group of people love it so much and they decide to take it up a notch, to play competitively, then they are changing how it's played, and in the long run, as more and more people get into it, how it's seen in the eyes of the general public, but it's still just a game.

Then there's this sudden mainstream inflation in video games thanks to games being more movie like with each iteration, with instant gratification but doing nothing at all for that cool scene, and less focused on gameplay, story, etc. this is painfully apparent with games like COD, LOL, etc. which are very easy in thier own right, and take out tons of mechanics that could make that genre of games competitve, and not just spaming something over and over again, with little to no strategy, and this is excluding all of the disrespectful players that play this game. Now being the most popular games (thanks to being extremly easy to play, and being the norm) this gives top players a sudden look of elitetist, especially sense thier winning money, instead of giving that spotlight to players that have been real contrabuters to thier respective community, and games that are much harder and more tactical in any way to these other casual games. I also agree with what you said about some games making death look like it was no big deal, when in reality soliders die, citizens die, children die under the laws of War, they make it seem like it's just a game, but it's not, never has been, and never will be. And if your gonna make a game with such a gruesome topic, then at least show how it's supposed to be, how demoralizing, how unhuman like it is to kill your own species. This is why i prefer fantasy/sci-fi shooters because you know that those monsters don't exist, you know there's no huge Halo that contains a virus that could consume the universe (well ok i don't know this but i'm guessing not)

Just my thoughts, if i were to ever defend my love for smash, i'd say because of the unreachable skill ceiling, the way it actually incorporates physics into the game, how dynamic it is, as in, the majority of combos don't link into each other, you have take these same attacks and chain into them yourself, through use of all the movement options in the game, and that melee is centered around poscion and how fluid you are in terms of movement.
 

ShrieK1295

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Your family sucks. Your brother is a ****ing nerd and needs to get over himself.
 

KrIsP!

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Actually read the full essay now, I'm an English major so I'll avoid talking about the essay and instead I'd like you to relay a message

Tell your brother on my behalf; u salty bro :troll:

:phone:
 

JKJ

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So I brought in this essay to school today, and shared it with a few of my closer friends. It was surprising how few people were willing to accept professional gaming. I had, of course, the inevitable "It's just a game" arguments, the "sports are different because they're physical" arguments, the obligatory "games are escapism from reality whereas other games are actually social" and other such fallacies. I even had a close friend read the title, then refuse to continue because of how ridiculous he thought the premise to be. Only the gamers among my friends were willing to read it, and only one non-gamer was willing to actually discuss it on an intelligent level. I had my closest friend tell me that "sports are about teamwork and social interaction, videogames are just people staring at a computer screen" and when I brought up the example of professional gaming's relation to games like chess and poker, my friends said that "It's different" and that "people only watch those because of the money at stake". How do they believe all of that money came to be at stake? Money only exists in any professional sport because of the sport's popularity. There needs to be an interest before the monetization of the sport or game before large amounts of money can be offered to the winner.

Anyhow, thanks for the feedback everyone!

@Armada
I didn't mean to use you as an example like that, but as you are the reigning world champion right now, you are kind of the face of the community, at least in my eyes. (This needs no response, everyone, this is not the thread to debate who the true world champion is.) That is a great idea (bringing home a gaming friend) but the problem is, my mom already knows several of my friends who go to tournaments with me. In fact, if I didn't go with friends, she wouldn't let me go at all. Yet for some reason, she still holds this strange misconception about the anti-social nature of gaming. I am trying to encourage her to come into the venue with me at my next tournament, just so she can see that these are normal people. not brain-dead zombies drooling in front of the television screens.

@Krisp
I hate the fact that this even has to be a problem. What other hobbies are so stigmatized like this? I find it hard to stop myself from growing angry when I talk to most people about competitive gaming, as they all hold these ignorant prejudices against the practice.
And I will be sure to tell my brother your message :p
@OdinNJ
I'm glad you were able to identify so much with my experience. My father is more accepting than my mother, as well, as he grew up as a gamer on old-school arcade games, and he was always the best at all of them (much like my brother is now). He is a computer engineer, and loves technology, so he is more open to allowing me to converse with tournament players, but he still has to stick by my mom's decision and force me to avoid all outside contact with other players. It kinda sucks.

@GhllieShdeKnife
This is exactly what I am trying to say when I talk about competitive gaming being a largely social pursuit. I am so glad that this community has been able to help you come out of your shell like that; I have found that the melee community in particular has been extremely welcoming to me, my friends, and any new players.

@poega
No offense taken, lol, I feel the same way. I have been doing everything to try and make my parents understand this as a valid hobby, but with no luck at all.

@Sixth-Sense
Thanks, I'm glad that you thought it was worth reading!
I can completely agree with you in that arguments against professional gaming are often ridiculous and filled with logical fallacies. The first paragraph I wrote in this post covers most of how I feel about this.
I also spaced out the paragraphs. That was how I intended it, but in copying the text, that bit was lost in translation.

@Shriek1295
Lol I know this is what I'm saying! He is so nerdy and competes so much in video games but refuses to affiliate with even the term "professional gaming".

@Gea
I cannot wait until next year. I'm finishing up driver's ed. soon, and I am going to jump at the opportunity to get a car and my license. No more having to beg for rides!
 

Tee ay eye

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in my experience, casual gamers/unskilled competitive gamers have a much greater tendency towards socially destructive behavior, whereas competitive gamers are way more normal, agreeable, and level-headed people.
 

KrIsP!

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Casual gamers don't have a community to take refuge in. They pretty much just go on forums with no incentive to go out and meet the people they talk to.

On one hand they are the reason fr the stereotype but I believe the stereotype is what's holding them back from going out and not being anti-social...until they get a license and go to cons I guess

:phone:
 

Tee ay eye

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Casual gamers don't have a community to take refuge in. They pretty much just go on forums with no incentive to go out and meet the people they talk to.

On one hand they are the reason fr the stereotype but I believe the stereotype is what's holding them back from going out and not being anti-social...until they get a license and go to cons I guess

:phone:
Basically. Also, the people in the more casual end of the spectrum are the ones who try harder to be accepted, and they actually just end up acting like annoying parrots. People who still reference "wombo combo" in 2012, people who say Brawl sucks without actually understanding why, and people who speak in cliches.

On top of that, more experienced players are much more likely to have internalized the life lessons to be learned from competitive gaming, which really shows in personality. There's a better chance that they've pruned themselves of nasty mental habits such as johning, complaining, and feeling self-entitled in life.
 

Armada

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@Armada
I didn't mean to use you as an example like that, but as you are the reigning world champion right now, you are kind of the face of the community, at least in my eyes. (This needs no response, everyone, this is not the thread to debate who the true world champion is.) That is a great idea (bringing home a gaming friend) but the problem is, my mom already knows several of my friends who go to tournaments with me. In fact, if I didn't go with friends, she wouldn't let me go at all. Yet for some reason, she still holds this strange misconception about the anti-social nature of gaming. I am trying to encourage her to come into the venue with me at my next tournament, just so she can see that these are normal people. not brain-dead zombies drooling in front of the television screens.
For me it is okay to use my name in that sort of way you did so no offense taken.
Well maybe it is someone that lives close to you that you can bring home that your mom haven't seen?

I would also use the argument ( I would not let something like this just pass I would go for convince them Im right) that she/others is the ones that is trying to put us in a situation when we can't have social connection with others in a way we wanna have.

A tournament is much more then just playing a game. It is a chance to meet new people/old friends. See new places you have never been to before. Share a lot of fun moments with people close to you. Competition in general also teaches you tons of things like being focused reach a goal exc.

I would not change those years in the community for anything cause what I have learned here is worth so much more then "just playing a game"
 

Gea

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tl;dr much?:awesome:
No, I just meant it a lot of these issues become backburner when you have transportation or are out on your own. There are still social nay-sayers but it is a lot easier to say, "Who cares?" when you can just go somewhere to play Melee with other people who enjoy it just as much as you.
 

EthereaL

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It has very little to do with the attitude you display at an event / online.

It has to do with the craze of "video games melt your brain" that gripped the world some time ago. Parents are told by professionals day-in-and-day-out "don't let them play too many video games".

It also has to do with the pedestalling of physical prowess versus mental prowess. Sports are seen as physical, tough, hard events. The same people who say that video games should only be played casually tend to argue against Chess, Ping Pong, and Chogi as sports.

Take that as you will. IMO, Chess is more likely to be accepted as a sport again (woo-hoo Bobby) before video games are.

:phone:
 

JKJ

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@Armada
I could not agree more. I'm trying to set this up, so I will let you know the result if/when it does actually happen. For me, a lot of the tournament experience is just seeing what kinds of people this game brings to the scene. We have all kinds of people, from all crowds, forgetting their differences to play a game that we all love. I absolutely would not give this up for anything.

@Gea
I know what you mean, and I agree. I was expecting a lot of tl;dr's anyways and I am pleased to see the lack thereof.
 

Armada

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Awesome!
I would really like to hear the results when/if it happens.

Good luck to you and all the other people that have a problem with this.
 

ZeldaFreak0309

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in my experience, casual gamers/unskilled competitive gamers have a much greater tendency towards socially destructive behavior, whereas competitive gamers are way more normal, agreeable, and level-headed people.
people at the top of *anything* tend to be well-adjusted individuals
 

KrIsP!

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^I'd say 50% of people at the top of a sport are tools and the other half have good PR agents(or are good people, but srsly many let the celebrity thing go to their head).
 

Bones0

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Disclaimer: I glazed very broadly over this entire thread (i.e. I skimmed to the paragraph about the brother's perceptions of Armada as a "professional gamer").


Instead of everyone sitting and feeling affronted that professional gamers are viewed as anti-social ****s that never leave their gaming cave, we should actually work to dispel that stereotype. Rebel against it, and it shouldn't even feel like an active cause since most people aren't actually like that. Just keep in mind when doing or talking about anything Melee-related how most people perceive pro gaming, and make sure you bring up anything that will change their view of it. It can be something as simple as referring to a 10-hour straight smashfest as practice as opposed to play. Do we have fun? Absolutely. But I think pointing out that a lot of what makes a pro gamer is hard work the same as any other sport would change a lot of peoples' perception of pros. A lot of reasons scrubs get so upset with "try-hards" online is because they feel like they are of equal skill, but that the good player is simply reverting to "cheap" or "overpowered" tactics. Obviously this is just scrub mentality, but conveying the notion that more goes into it than abusing a few good tactics is critical to getting them to understand WHY being a pro is such a difficult achievement. Explain how good players adapt to these tactics and even find ways around stuff that may seem completely broken (shield grabbing, roll/spotdodge spamming, and edgeguarding/hogging are prime examples).


If they bring up points to make it sound illegitimate as a sport (no teamwork, no drama/social elements, etc), simply counter with what everyone in this community knows about the game. Social elements play a much bigger role in Melee than in a lot of other gaming communities. It's sadly somewhat true that you can stay in your cave all day and get good at Unreal Tournament or StarCraft. Melee, however, has no (simple) online access, so players MUST travel and meet each other in order to improve. There's also the whole dimension of teams. Show them PewFat, The Newlyweds combo video, or Wombo Combo, which all display coordination amongst players that even absolute noobs can understand (Marth dthrow into Peach usmash). You can also bring up all the awesome "characters" the players are. Armada, the composed reigning champ using a character virtually no one considers as the best. Mango, the people's champ who does his best to show off even in important matches, uses multiple characters, and always seems to have controversy over whether he is sandbagging or johning. PP, the super-focused guy that rose out of obscurity through hard work and diligence. And so on. The great part about humans competing is that the more fierce the competition, the more distinct these human characteristics seem to seep into the culture of the game, and if Melee's competition isn't some next-level fierceness, I don't know what is.
 

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I had my whole life's story typed up here because I have a fairly interesting spin on this, and then Safari crashed.
iPod OP, please nerf.

Uhhh... Tl;dr version
My parents used to hate me playing cideo games, but they loosened up considerably when I started winning Magic tournaments often. Now I'm 18 and they just let me do whatever. Happy ending!
 

Biglard

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Basically. Also, the people in the more casual end of the spectrum are the ones who try harder to be accepted, and they actually just end up acting like annoying parrots. People who still reference "wombo combo" in 2012, people who say Brawl sucks without actually understanding why, and people who speak in cliches.

On top of that, more experienced players are much more likely to have internalized the life lessons to be learned from competitive gaming, which really shows in personality. There's a better chance that they've pruned themselves of nasty mental habits such as johning, complaining, and feeling self-entitled in life.
I didn't read the essay for the moment, I'll read it tomorrow prevening, but I don't enjoy what you're writing/implying about casual gamers (being one myself). You sound like we haven't got a clue about tournaments, about social life, and about life in general, and this is a little hurtful.

I haven't been to a tournament for a year and a half, but there are still a lot of reasons why I'm reading SWF at 7 am and why I love this community. And trying to be accepted is not one of them.
 

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My entire childhood was spent losing to him. He would win any and every game we played, no matter what it was, be it Diddy Kong Racing for the Nintendo 64, the original Super Smash Brothers, or the old NES game Spy vs. Spy. I could not win against him. Naturally, when we picked up Super Smash Brothers Melee, he was the best. Our friends obsessed over the game, he only played whenever someone else wanted to. And he always won. This is what pushed me to get into the game competitively, and so I believed, of course, that he would be right alongside me in doing this. I thought he would love to play at a higher level, to actually face challenging players and to learn new tactics. But I was wrong.
It's weird cause the people who introduced me to smash (brawl and melee) had that whole "i'm the greatest" thing going for them too. Like, they claimed to be amazing at the game (leveled me when I was just a noob), and played endlessly. They even watched the stream of Apex 2012 when we randomly came across it and appeared just as amazed as I was. But when I was inspired and decided i'd start going to tournaments, they thought the idea was a waste of time...saying, if they lost, it would be to someone who just "does nothing but play this game"...
Even though they've likely clocked in more hours than many people there

It really doesn't make sense now that i'm thinking about it
 

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"This has been one of the most eye-opening experiences for me during my professional gaming career: Even video game lovers dislike the tournament scene, simply because they believe it to be a place where anti-social degenerates and misfit children go to convene and play a game and ignore “real life”."

Lol, from my experience these people just dont want to lose to someone they're scared of. These are the same people (by group, not by individual) that call **** gay because they dont understand it or hate losing...from my experiences with them it's as simple as that a lotta the time. I just explain no johns to them. :smirk: Usually these people are the biggest casuals, they get their ego puffed up by casual games and their ego just gets bigger and bigger, but when faced with a task they cannot conquer they instantly dismiss it. This is why anyone who has been gaming for a long time, whom gaming means a lot to hates these types of dismissive casuals.

once again I'm going by group not individual, your brother can be a nice person for all I know so yea dont get all mad n stuff.
 

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The wise don't argue with fools. It's futile.

This is directly applicable to ones incapability of comprehending and understanding the value of competitive gaming; especially when the one attempting to create controversy, where it doesn't exist, is a casual gamer. Another factor is the active persistence of perpetuating belief systems, or cognitive dissonance. The choice to be stupid; but that is an extremely large topic. And another point, but one that is debatable, is whether or not competitive gaming community has a higher intelligence and intellect on average compared to those who consider to be accurate and true the whole 'anti social' paradigm relating to gaming. The reason for bringing this last point up is that in my opinion the anti social aspect is only in appearance. The social aspect of competitive gaming is not highly or perfectly conducive to the outside ; where something like football, soccer, poker, chess, racing etc are somewhat more conducive but when it really comes down it to it if you want to be able to understand what you are looking at and do it you have to study and practice, lol.

I think it could be said there is a sport, passion, competitive activity, etc called spectating. The art of watching something for entertainment taking no interest in the actual philosophy and science of the thing. Always taking an extremely limited general interest, never a specific one. The crowd does not care, it wants to be 'entertained'. By What ever that means and by what ever means.

Someone outside can have a general grasp on a subject from information provided that would be understood from those on the outside, but for competitive gaming that medium to facilitate the knowledge is not there. So, for most to educate themselves it would take a great amount of research to understand its benefit to humans in general, which most are not going to do. [such as 'life lessons'].

The casual gamer keeps the industry going, but they are also killers of communities. We should thank them for something XD.

/end rant
 

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I've spent thousands of hours, literally months and months of play time, playing FPS's with the sole goal of bettering my play for playing them in a competitive/league setting. Though I have not had many opportunities to play in such a setting due to my awful computer (a situation I have finally remedied with the ordering of a brand new comp,) I've still learned, or at least, formed an opinion on a few aspects of competitive gaming, and video gaming as a whole.

As has been brought up in the OP and other posts, one of the chief opponents of gaming of any form and level is the image the player base presents. All too often that image is mean spirited, troll like and childish. The damage to gaming this brings in regards to how those outside the gaming world see it is well known and quite enough itself, though I prefer to contemplate the damage it does within gaming and gamers.

It is immensely difficult to altogether avoid these things that bring gaming down, unless one its wholly dedicated to playing with small groups of good friends and good company. It is one of the greatest joys of modern gaming to be able to play with millions from all corners of the world, though thanks to mere statistics and human nature, out of such numbers will always be found those with ill will and nothing positive to offer. How prevalent this childish, trollish element is is debatable, but in my own experience I have found it to be as common the cold.

This element may be a mere inconvenience to the average, casual gamer... but to those who are or would be willing to invest true portions of their lives to certain games for the sake of competition, they are a high hurdle. It is hard enough to withstand, in good spirits, the long learning process of given games, and the constant failure surely to be encountered. It is far harder to do this when being talked down to, made fun of, excluded and shunned by those who think themselves to be higher human beings. This hurdle extends to and can be found at the very highest levels of competition, and it indeed may be an inherent part of it; though that does not make it a good thing. Its only function is to limit the potential of those who are not willing to subject themselves to it.

Anyone who played little league baseball probably remembers having to line up and high five, or shake the hand of everyone on the other team. Even during this display of good sportsmanship and spirits, some children would still spout curse words and spit in their hands. And I ask you; what good does that do?

There are so many other things that keep gaming where it is, or even lower it, both in quality of the games and quality of the experience... yet still, gamers needlessly bring themselves down. It's an unfortunate thing.
 

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I know this thread kind of died, but I just wanted to posthumously thank everyone for all their kind words and critiques, and to say that I'm glad my essay could spark some conversation!
 

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It's not that much of a necropost all things considered.

I may as well contribute while I'm here.

People used to give me a buttload of trouble about how much I played video games. I'm slightly older than this community's average, and I live in the midwest, so growing up there was absolutely no wide-scale acceptance of gaming as a hobby as there is now. All gamers were classified in the same social subgroup as science nerds (which I coincidentally also am, but that's beside the point). I would spend hours and hours screwing around with my computer and my consoles playing games as they came out and programming things. I was ostracized from the various high school cliques and arguably socially ********, save for my group of equally nerdy friends. My parents knew I was good with computers, but they still gave me trouble for not going outside and playing sports and whatnot.

So I leveraged all of this into a university CS degree, basically doing what I had done my entire life, gaming and programming. Now I make a very comfortable living writing code and can game as much as I want. I hold what amount to weekly parties where my friends come by and play games (mostly smash) with me. I am very social now, some would say I could be considered popular. Now the very same people who gave me trouble about gaming and "screwing around with that damned computer" are jealous (or proud, in the case of my parents) that I get paid to do what they used to imply was a waste of my time.

I don't think we need to worry too much about professional gaming acceptance. The world as it is now is already heading towards gaming as the key facet of entertainment market. The gaming industry already makes more money than the film and television industries combined; they are making media about games and comics trying to capture us as the audience.
I'm quite sure professional gaming will become accepted as part of the natural popularization of our subculture.

But that's just like, my opinion, man.
 

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And you even put your two hobbies together to help create SSBMO and gain internet popularity...the best kind there is.
 

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Gaming as a whole (but especially competitively) generally gets a bad rep because it supposedly lacks benefits outside the world of the game, in the way that competitive sports provide a medium for excercise, but this is simply untrue. Studies have shown that games improve reaction time, problem solving abilities, and hand-eye coordination, among other benefits. Now, it could be argued that "Okay so some gaming is healthy for the brain, but this doesn't mean you need to play competitively!" To which I would respond "Well some excercise is good for the body, but you don't need to play sports competitively, and yet athletes get a pleasant social response while competitive gamers are shunned."
 

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I completely agree, and that is exactly my point.
Many athletes would argue that mental health in just as important as physical health; in fact, I know many who have argued that point. The issue lies in their recognition of video games as a source of mental improvement, not in their reverence of physical over mental exercise. However, I have an eerie feeling that no matter what you may say to those who argue against professional gaming, they will still feel that it is a form of escapism (even though this is the root of all recreation) into a computer and therefore not valid.
 

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However, I have an eerie feeling that no matter what you may say to those who argue against professional gaming, they will still feel that it is a form of escapism (even though this is the root of all recreation) into a computer and therefore not valid.
At which point, the only question you should be asking yourself is "why should I care what they think?"

These people are cut from the same cloth that made fun of people for reading in the 1950s. The difference here is that books have much better PR than games (and more time to work on their image) despite doing almost exactly the same thing.
 

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Once again, Massive, you make a great point.
It's hard sometimes to disregard others's opinions, especially if he/she happens to be a person of great influence in your life, whom you respect and love deeply.
I agree. What is a book if not recreational escapism and mental exercise? Books are simply the earlier model of video games; they cannot be an interactive medium, and that is why games hold kids' attentions far better than books do these days. For the record, I love reading and writing and plan to be an english major, but I know bools for what they are. There is no fault in putting books, movies, and video games in the same category of entertainment; they fulfill the same core need.
I don't know if anybody watches Extra Credits, the video game theory video series, but they talk extensively about appeals to the "core aesthetics", which books, movies, and video games all appeal to.
 

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I'v always been a pretty social guy outside of smash brothers but i have made so many friends playing this game lol. Anyone would be foolish to think that competitive gaming is antisocial and or for people who aren't social on a daily basis.

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