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On manual dexterity and how training your hands can help your Melee progress
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mixa
Banned via Warnings
I'd think wavedashing with the control stick is less efficient. Is it not?
MountainGoat
Smash Journeyman
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Where's a good place to start learning more manual dexterity?
I wonder what's wrong me with. I've been playing games for like 10 hours per day since I was 4 and yet I suck at almost every game there is, especially with tech skill.
RockinRudy
Smash Journeyman
That is odd. A few years back I met a quiet kid who played video games everyday hours on end. However he wasn't good either. But many people I played since they were little were very good at most and or every game we played together.
I Personally can NOT do Dance Dance Revolution, Or Guitar Hero. I tested myself and I can press a button
Niko_K
Smash Master
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do9cObPUvdI&list=UUYa1PJhjWKoKgDUrIEluQgQ&index=5
Music games are my thing.
Music games are my thing.
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Somaiah
Guest
When I watched that, I was literally dying laughing the whole time. I used to play Guitar Hero/Rock Band/DDR a ton, but moved on to focusing on my real life music endeavors instead, much more worthwhile lol. And that video, while hilarious to me, definitely deserves mad respect.
Bizzarro Flame
Smash Lord
Oasys17
Smash Apprentice
So, somewhat Necroing this thread, but it's pretty relevant, and I don't feel it's important enough to warrant a new thread. I've recently picked up a personal copy of melee and have been practicing my tech skill in my spare time. I've started to experience acute pains in the joint where my thumb connects to my wrist. I'm thinking it's the tendon? I haven't been playing THAT much, so I don't see why it's beginning to pain me now, but I've done nothing else "unusual" so I think it's gotta be smash. Any tips on how to deal with this kind of stuff? Any similar experiences?
I've had a similar experience, however only when playing Upright Bass. My hand has swelled up and become inflamed after a long practice session.
I have never had a similiar experience with Melee. All I can advise is to try to pinpoint the exact movement that causes you pain, and see if you can minimize it in any way.
I have never had a similiar experience with Melee. All I can advise is to try to pinpoint the exact movement that causes you pain, and see if you can minimize it in any way.
If you only just started playing Melee recently, this is probably not uncommon. I remember when I was first getting into practising Fox tech skill and stuff a few years ago, my hands would start feeling weird/hurting a bit and I'd just need to take a break. I don't really get that anymore though.
Melee is an incredibly fiddly and fast paced game where things like tiny variations in pressure on the control stick can make a huge difference to what actually happens on screen. Your hands probably just aren't used to having to move so quickly and precisely.
Oasys17
Smash Apprentice
I've been playing competitively for a month or two, so yeah I'm thinking it might just be underdeveloped-ness of the muscles. It's just not the kind of pain I'm used to, muscularly. It's very sharp, and stingy(Using my big words,here 
), I'm used to muscle pain being more of a dull ache.
), I'm used to muscle pain being more of a dull ache.
I'm a conservatory trained classical musician, so I study practice for a living. Opening jars is not going to help you waveshine easier - waveshining one at a time and building up reps/strings over time will. Don't get this thread, but cool concept.
Oasys17
Smash Apprentice
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the premise is that those who have trained their hands in other things that require a good deal of manual dexterity, like melee, or various instruments and the sorts, have a natural aptitude to learning OTHER things that require high amounts of manual dexterity.
I agree that opening jars will not hep you learn to do things in melee. xD
I agree that opening jars will not hep you learn to do things in melee. xD
This guy gettin my back
Oasys17
Smash Apprentice
Zhea
Smash Ace
Fun fact 1: Muscle Memory is a misnomer. Muscle Memory actually translates out to how good your brain a series of actions into single commands.
Fun fact 2: Manual dexterity is heavily influenced by the above. Having great nimbleness in one area of life does not give you that nimbleness in another. This is why some people who play an instrument at very high levels are not immediate experts at guitar hero/insert music game here.
Fun fact 3: HOWEVER one of the most amazing parts about that part of our brain, the "Muscle Memory" portion, has this habit of getting better and faster at learning and changing these commands the more you do it.
This is probably a big reason behind a lot of your tech proficiency. The muscle side of it is still interesting, I'd like to find out more about it and will definitely apply these myself.
Fun fact 2: Manual dexterity is heavily influenced by the above. Having great nimbleness in one area of life does not give you that nimbleness in another. This is why some people who play an instrument at very high levels are not immediate experts at guitar hero/insert music game here.
Fun fact 3: HOWEVER one of the most amazing parts about that part of our brain, the "Muscle Memory" portion, has this habit of getting better and faster at learning and changing these commands the more you do it.
This is probably a big reason behind a lot of your tech proficiency. The muscle side of it is still interesting, I'd like to find out more about it and will definitely apply these myself.
Mew2King
King of the Mews
True story, when I started smash, I couldn't short hop with fox, or teleport downwards with mewtwo
now I can do the most technical **** with 1 hand consistently.
just from repetition/practice over time.
now I can do the most technical **** with 1 hand consistently.
just from repetition/practice over time.
Oasys17
Smash Apprentice
I still can't teleport down with mewtwo without conscious effort xD
Mew2King
King of the Mews
I went from bottom tier to god tier in my hand-ability from pure repetition/effort
there's no shortcut
you will work hard and you will gain results
or you will be lazy and you won't
doesn't matter what level you start at because effort leads to success and you can still easily reach a level where you can do just about anything just from practicing it.
if people tell you otherwise tell them i said they're dumb
there's no shortcut
you will work hard and you will gain results
or you will be lazy and you won't
doesn't matter what level you start at because effort leads to success and you can still easily reach a level where you can do just about anything just from practicing it.
if people tell you otherwise tell them i said they're dumb
Superspright
Smash Lord
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M2K is the truth. He didn't get good thinking about it--that's for sure. Practice is the only way to remove the mental component of the input from the game until it becomes as natural as talking.
I never said that practicing Rubik's cubing will help your Melee techskill. I was simply saying that having a background in manual dexterity and having good hand strength will make the transition to this fast, technical, demanding game much easier on your hands. It will help you to overcome technical barriers that exist simply because you can't control your fingers precisely.
If you want to get good at waveshining, practice waveshining.
If you want to get good at waveshining, practice waveshining.