omfg ganon shenanigans

[Koskinator]

I discovered today that Ganon has grab release shenanigans on wario. I tested my findings on MBmoney, a member here, and he confirmed that the following attacks are INESCAPABLE for wario out of grab release.

Uair
Nair
Fair
Dair
Up B from the ground
Wiz kick from the ground
Hyphen Upsmash
Fsmash Pointed Up

Up B and Uair are the easiest to do. So yeah, commence omgwtfbbq's.

 

[MBmoney]

Hopefully this hasn't already been discovered.

 

[hyperstation]

Already known. Sorry to burst your bubble, homie. Spend less time on the Wolf boards and you might be a well-informed God'dorf.

 

[Koskinator]

Already known. Sorry to burst your bubble, homie. Spend less time on the Wolf boards and you might be a well-informed God'dorf.

Hmm, well thats homo. And its not that I'm not well informed, I've just never seen it done on a wario, so I figured it was new. Just because I didn't know 1 thing doesn't mean im no good

 

[hyperstation]

Hmm, well thats homo. And its not that I'm not well informed, I've just never seen it done on a wario, so I figured it was new. Just because I didn't know 1 thing doesn't mean im no good

Haha, I suppose my tongue-in-cheek tone didn't translate. The internet has a way like that. I thought that goofy "lick" smiley would have helped get that across. We love you Kosk, and your Ganon is boss. You can sleep easy.

 

[Koskinator]

no wai i dun bel3eve u, ur lier. u bawrlz meh nao 2 proov i r is stil t3h b35t.

 

[hyperstation]

no wai i dun bel3eve u, ur lier. u bawrlz meh nao 2 proov i r is stil t3h b35t.

Haha, I'd love to. Let's do this (maybe tonight?). I've been wanting to face you for a while.

 

[Koskinator]

Sure, I already added your friend code.

 

[hyperstation]

Sure, I already added your friend code.

Dope. I'll do the same. I'm doing friendlies with Gleam at like 9:00, and depending on when we finish and how much energy I have, I'll PM you (if you're not already on wifi).

 

[SaltyKracka]

Sure, I already added your friend code.

Kosk, please ditto with me so that I too may learn to be awesome with Ganon.

 

[CO18]

Edited for Kosk's sanity.

 

[OverLade]

Nice thread. lol fail XD <3 kosk. Hes really good, He can almost get my ike down to its last stock. lolololo

Edit: If you want tips on how to beat kosk's ganon in dittos look at the last 20 seconds of my combo vid vvv

Shameless Advertising on the Ganon boards.

I see wut u did thar.

 

[Gleam]

Salty is too good. He wrecks and breaks me apart to the point where there's a better chance of me KOing him with a Self-destruct blast than an actual attack.

 

[SaltyKracka]

Salty is too good. He wrecks and breaks me apart to the point where there's a better chance of me KOing him with a Self-destruct blast than an actual attack.

You praise me far too highly. I'm not that good.

 

[Koskinator]

Lol, good games hyperstation, sucks we lag though :'(

 

[SaltyKracka]

Lol, good games hyperstation, sucks we lag though :'(

Hey Kosk, you live in CA, right? Brawl meh?

 

[hyperstation]

Now THAT'S how you do a ganon ditto. Those were so f*cking epic it's not even funny. Yeah, the lag really did suck, and I wish that we could play lagless, because it would truly be proof to the world that Ganon needs to be banned. MK sleeps with the fishes. I suppose your location, the wolf boards, doesn't get a good connection with Brooklyn. Must be in China somewhere. Those f*cking stomps you got while I was ledgegrabbed were totally lag-induced. They were still BRUTAL though. I got a few good replays, and I'm sure you did too. We should each pick a couple and upload them (somehow)...fan service.

For the outsiders, I beat Kosk 3 times and he beat me probably like 10. Sound about right, homie? And yes, the final stock of the final match was me eating a f*cking warlock punch to the dome piece. Even though the lag sucked, I'd still like to play you again sometime. I got a lot out of it, and I hope you did too.

 

[Koskinator]

Yeah they definitely were good matches. I found it really hard to thunderstorm you at all, you always had your **** shield up. And, those ledgegrab thunderstomps werent lag induced, that ****s my specialty

Oh and salty, I added your friend code, we can play anytime

 

[Gleam]

You praise me far too highly. I'm not that good.

Don't be modest, you are very good Salty. One day I will beat you though. >_>


I need to battle you sometime soon also Kosk.

 

[Koskinator]

So many challenges, so few people with AIM >.<

 

[Gleam]

Actually Kosk my friend, I do have MSN messenger. Fordcroftwood@hotmail.com if you think it'll be easier discussing stuff there then here.

 

[hyperstation]

Yeah they definitely were good matches. I found it really hard to thunderstorm you at all, you always had your **** shield up. And, those ledgegrab thunderstomps werent lag induced, that ****s my specialty

Oh and salty, I added your friend code, we can play anytime

Haha, I know, I was just Johning. I've seen your vids, b*tch. Trust me...I took note, and next time we brawl, you'll be the one getting ledge spiked. Yeah, you were jumping around with thunderstorm like a f*cking crack fiend, and I would have dared to let that shield down to iDA you if I wasn't so terrified that I'd be eating boot due to the lag. I hate the taste of boot.

 

[Koskinator]

Haha, I know, I was just Johning. I've seen your vids, b*tch. Trust me...I took note, and next time we brawl, you'll be the one getting ledge spiked. Yeah, you were jumping around with thunderstorm like a f*cking crack fiend, and I would have dared to let that shield down to iDA you if I wasn't so terrified that I'd be eating boot due to the lag. I hate the taste of boot.

Lol, me? ledgespiked? I'll hold you to that big guy

 

[Sgt. Baker]

Not to self and others:

DO NOT PLAY KOSKINATOR WHILE HIGH

Aww man, I had no clue what's going on. No johns

 

[hyperstation]

Not to self and others:

DO NOT PLAY KOSKINATOR WHILE HIGH

Aww man, I had no clue what's going on. No johns

Mad stoners up in the ganon boards. I love it. This is an open call: I'll beat any ganon while blitzed off my a$$, guaranteed. I'm the meanest ganon stoner these boards have ever seen. If you're playing me, and my ganon is green, you know what's up.

 

[Sgt. Baker]

Mad stoners up in the ganon boards. I love it. This is an open call: I'll beat any ganon while blitzed off my a$$, guaranteed. I'm the meanest ganon stoner these boards have ever seen. If you're playing me, and my ganon is green, you know what's up.

That greatness dude. Yeah it's hilarious, I can Mario Kart Wii stoned but not d*mn Brawl. I've tried and tried.....and failed lol.

It was funny too. When I was playing Kosk, I was trying to go to Rainbow Cruise because that's so funny stoned lol

 

[Divilenta]

Anybody want to play a sucky Ganon? I need practice that isn't against random people. After all, the best way to learn is to learn from an expert of your own character, right?

Please? :newbie:

 

[:034:]

Can we not use this thread to further discuss grab releases? I mean, we have a thread for Ganon ditto's and challenges, why not take it over there?

I have been interested in grab release for a while now, but I have no idea how to test it... How much grab release stuff can Ganon do anyway?

 

[Gleam]

Can we not use this thread to further discuss grab releases? I mean, we have a thread for Ganon ditto's and challenges, why not take it over there?

I have been interested in grab release for a while now, but I have no idea how to test it... How much grab release stuff can Ganon do anyway?

Wario, Lucas, Ness, Meta Knight and Squirtle. Ganondorf can release grab all of them.

Wario and Lucas are guaranteed. While the others I think have to do something specific. (Ness has to break out) (MK and squirtle have to jump out.)

Of course when they give Ganondorf a grab release, they give him the crappiest grab range as well.

 

[Shadow Nataku]

Hmm, well thats homo. And its not that I'm not well informed, I've just never seen it done on a wario, so I figured it was new. Just because I didn't know 1 thing doesn't mean im no good

Probably because its kinda hard, you don't really see any Wario's who even come close enough for Ganny's pathetic range to grab unfortunately.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Wario, Lucas, Ness, Meta Knight and Squirtle. Ganondorf can release grab all of them.

Wario and Lucas are guaranteed. While the others I think have to do something specific. (Ness has to break out) (MK and squirtle have to jump out.)

Of course when they give Ganondorf a grab release, they give him the crappiest grab range as well.

Almost every character in S.S.B.B have grab releases on Lucas, Ness and Wario.

I'm quite glad to hear that we have a possible option after grab releasing Metaknight, especially with us having all gerudo follow ups on him already, which includes our Dash Attack. Metaknight may actually not be Ganondorf's worse match-up..

Wario's awkward jump after being released from a grab by more then half the cast allows us to punish the fat boy.

 

[:034:]

Having grab release stuff on Meta doesn't mean anything... A good Meta Knight won't get grabbed by Ganon, who has the worst grab range in the game.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Having grab release stuff on Meta doesn't mean anything... A good Meta Knight won't get grabbed by Ganon, who has the worst grab range in the game.

That may be true, but it does make beating Metaknight one step easier for Ganon.

 

[:034:]

True enough, we need all the help we can get.

 

[hyperstation]

Having grab release stuff on Meta doesn't mean anything... A good Meta Knight won't get grabbed by Ganon, who has the worst grab range in the game.

People say the same thing about Wario, but I don't see the point. Dismissing something on the sole basis of difficulty of accomplishment is silly. Saying "a good MK won't get grabbed by Ganon" is really reductive. This information is exceedingly good to know so that when the opportunity to grab an MK, Wario, Ness, Lucas, or Squirtle presents itself, you have an extra option in your arsenal.

 

[:034:]

People say the same thing about Wario, but I don't see the point. Dismissing something on the sole basis of difficulty of accomplishment is silly. Saying "a good MK won't get grabbed by Ganon" is really reductive. This information is exceedingly good to know so that when the opportunity to grab an MK, Wario, Ness, Lucas, or Squirtle presents itself, you have an extra option in your arsenal.

A good MK won't get grabbed by Ganondorf because of MK's insane range, aerial mobility and excellent spacing tools. Double that with his high speed and you have a basically ungrabbable MK.

Wario can definitely get grabbed due to less range, but he still has a lot of aerial mobility so he can stay out of your shieldgrab game.

But I agree, any option to make a battle easier is a good option to me. Just don't rely on getting grabs on MK & Wario often.

 

[hyperstation]

A good MK won't get grabbed by Ganondorf because of MK's insane range, aerial mobility and excellent spacing tools. Double that with his high speed and you have a basically ungrabbable MK.

Wario can definitely get grabbed due to less range, but he still has a lot of aerial mobility so he can stay out of your shieldgrab game.

But I agree, any option to make a battle easier is a good option to me. Just don't rely on getting grabs on MK & Wario often.

Agreed. If you want to put a premium on this release grab, you might try Gerudo -> pivot grab if you see your MK/Wario rolling behind you, or Gerudo -> Dash Grab if you see him rolling in front of you. I think you could totally mind game even a great MK/Wario into the palm of your hand by doing Gerudo, back away, Gerudo follow-up after their get-up attack (for instance), watch them roll (because they WILL roll), and get the grab. Also, then you have them in a bit of a panic following every Gerudo for the duration of the match. I love when that move really gets in people's heads because so much of Brawl is about momentum and mentality.

 

[Swoops]

I think it doesn't matter how hard it is to get a grab off on wario...we better find a way because the more I mess with this stuff, the more it becomes ****.

GR>D-Air>D-Tilt for like 38% without hits, plus it launches for follow ups. GR>F N-Air>DJ U-air, DI could mess it up a bit but still good.

If they're to busy ready to tech d-air, you may be able to GR>u-air>regrab>GR whatever at earlier percents. At edges, if you land a grab, wario is automatically dead from GR>d-air.

Figure out how to grab this wily chubbler...

 

[hyperstation]

I think it doesn't matter how hard it is to get a grab off on wario...we better find a way because the more I mess with this stuff, the more it becomes ****.

GR>D-Air>D-Tilt for like 38% without hits, plus it launches for follow ups. GR>F N-Air>DJ U-air, DI could mess it up a bit but still good.

If they're to busy ready to tech d-air, you may be able to GR>u-air>regrab>GR whatever at earlier percents. At edges, if you land a grab, wario is automatically dead from GR>d-air.

Figure out how to grab this wily chubbler...

I still say there's a lot of potential in Gerudo follow-ups. On get up attack, OoS Grab. On roll behind, pivot grab. On roll in front, Foxtrot dash grab.

We can also grab him out of his F-Smash and DA consistently during their cool down, I think.

 

[SaltyKracka]

I still say there's a lot of potential in Gerudo follow-ups. On get up attack, OoS Grab. On roll behind, pivot grab. On roll in front, Foxtrot dash grab.

We can also grab him out of his F-Smash and DA consistently during their cool down, I think.

Can't forget his lag-tastic dsmash.