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Olimar AT(broken if recreated)

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PikminEater

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I remember seeing a topic about this before. Must have been at Brawlcentral.

That is a really amazing find. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've done it myself, but have no record of it... >_< It must be a random quirk in the way the Pikmin got separated, but if this could be duplicated on command it could make Olimar unstoppable. I also performed mine after a roll.
 
DanGR

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I'm going to try and recreate it. It looks kinda like a glide toss, but a canceled upsmash instead of an item. I'll experiment with it some.
 
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Well that certainly was weird, as if the Purple Pikmin just stood in place and waited for Diddy Kong to be above it. Like he said, I don't think the Fsmash with a Yellow Pikmin had any effect on this. I do however think he was a bit bold to jump out and call this an AT. I don't know if we could conclude this was because of lag, it COULD have been a glitch, but it's too soon to call this an AT. The only thing I'm having trouble figuring out is why Diddy Kongs Dash attack just went through Olimar, he had no invincibility frames (that I could see) Do you think we could just call this a lag/wifi glitch and dismiss the theory completely, I mean if we can figure out why the Dash Attack missed...

Edit: Wait did someone in the video roll? apparently from what you guys are saying Olimar rolled and did a Usmash at the same time?!
 
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he rolled during an upsmash=invincibilty during a very disjointed hitbox=broken
 
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Ok I see what your saying, so basically he used an Usmash, but has quick enough fingers to roll immediately afterwards causing the attack to lag?! this sounds to hard to recreate anyway lol but worth trying.
 
DanGR

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it's VERY similiar to glide tossing with diddy's bananas. I'm going to try and cancel the upsmash somehow during my roll. Oo

Edit: I REALLY hope this was a fluke. I don't want my olimar to become a bandwagon. :/
 
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don't worry, if this can be duplicated you'll get no flack
if it can't then it will be disregarded as a fluke
no big deal
 
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Few things after mucking about in training mode:

-Olimar cannot shieldcancel his upsmash
-Olimar also cannot roll while charging his upsmash
-Olimar cannot upsmash during a roll (or buffer an upsmash, even)
-Olimar, if upsmashing while running, will have the Pikmin warp to his hand (no matter the color)

So I'm confused. BTW these were checked with his settings, as well as defaults, both with tap jump on and off.
 
Weruop

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oh ok so that guy is saynig u cant buffer an up smash duri ng a roll...

and my controlls... look at my second video and read the vid description
i cant remember
one of my control schemes at the time tho was L button set to atk since i was dum and was practicing DACUS that way. lol.

i used cstick sometimes at theat age in time... and i wood also smash atk using control stick( any direction) and A.

maybe if u put urself in my shoes rite there... an avg olimar a little after brawl came out, and puturself in the situation i was in with Kemp's diddy, u can find out wut i was thinkking, and wut actions i may have taken. another fellow olimainer should be able to do this fairly easily. i upsmashed at that age in time a lot too for KOs. i would sometimes dash b4them cuz i was used to doing that after i down throwed.

good luck u guys
 
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Hopefully someone can recreate this soon. I have a local tourney coming up in like 2 weeks. ^_^
 
Jarri

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I doubt this can be recreated. Perhaps, on mistake, but I don't think we'll ever find a way to constantly do it. And if we do: man, that would be epic. uSmashing during a roll and so moving + having invincibilty frames. :O

I've done it before. Quite some times already, but I have no clue how to recreate it. I think it just has something to do with lag, button lag and the time the Pikmin spends in the air, or something.

Did you uSmash right after the fSmash?
 
Weruop

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i see how chunked lag can affect this but button lag... no. and all olimars pikmin were right with him when this happend. and i dont remember. thaTS WUT IT LOOKS LIKE. IF UVE DUN IT A FEW TIMES, IM SUPRISED U DIDNT end the match and save the video, cuz when first pulled this off, i was so shocked, i thot my controll er broke, and i did like 5 up smashes in a row, and then i ended the match.and it obviously can be recreated being that uve dun it. once we get multiple footage of this, we should have an idea of wut it involves, and sooner or later, discover it.
 
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oh hi jarri. ive seen u at gamefaqs. belgium guy. thats how i remember u. plus ive seen u in a thread with andy. he and i are nck and neck 13-13 : D
 
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Puddin said:
Well that certainly was weird, as if the Purple Pikmin just stood in place and waited for Diddy Kong to be above it. Like he said, I don't think the Fsmash with a Yellow Pikmin had any effect on this. I do however think he was a bit bold to jump out and call this an AT. I don't know if we could conclude this was because of lag, it COULD have been a glitch, but it's too soon to call this an AT. The only thing I'm having trouble figuring out is why Diddy Kongs Dash attack just went through Olimar, he had no invincibility frames (that I could see) Do you think we could just call this a lag/wifi glitch and dismiss the theory completely, I mean if we can figure out why the Dash Attack missed...

Edit: Wait did someone in the video roll? apparently from what you guys are saying Olimar rolled and did a Usmash at the same time?!
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oh well wut i kinda meant was if it was discovered it wood be an AT 4sure. and it was mostly to also attract audience attention. :chuckle:
 
Jarri

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Got your Wii back already? Then play me now =O I made a thread on GF. Eh, back on-topic now? :D
 
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yeah i go my wii back... then i mvoed in with a frend and thot i couldnt get on wifi until we realized we could get on by using his router thingy. then i play that hardly cuz his parents are strict. then this last weekend i went up to my eral home and brawled online. now im back down here with my frend, but insead, i mvoed in wit my g ma. once school year is finished ill be available all summer. school year finishes this coming wednesday.ill be at my home on thurs or friday. and i wont be back and refreshd in my olimar mindset til probly that sunday.
 
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so next weekend( about 9 days) i can get ur wii FC's and send u the match. this will also prove it is not a fluke andim not faking it : P

cant wait!
 
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idk wut u eman by send u the file... like off my computer? how? lol. i think itd be easier to give it to u over wiiconect24 if u can access it... and if i can access it. lol. ive neverused it.

ok its like 11pm and i have school tomorrow. be back in about17hours ppl. lol

piece out
~Weruop
 
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Yeah, I'd like the playback. You can either send it through Wii connect ( though I've never done it ) or download the playback file to your comp, and email me (collin_fino@mac.com) the file, so that I can record it at a really high quality and play it back at a really slow speed.
From what I can see now, it looks like diddy's dash attack hits the purple pikmin in the middle of Olimar's roll and then Olimar does an upsmash (can barely make out the command) out of the roll... though the pikmin is "de-synced" so to speak. I would; however, like to take a closer look at it still. It's really hard to tell if it's a really awkward DLX cancel, or a roll.


~Fino
 
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Wow - I'm going to check that out tomorrow...there is something sad about this though and that's what has already been posted...you can't even buffer an upsmash in a roll...and the roll definitely took place...i have no clue right now.
 
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Looks to me like even if you figure out how to do it, you would need the other character to do something as well to make it work (anotherwords useless)

weruop: just because theres a video of it doesnt mean we can reproduce it, we're not NASA.

if someone can figure this out that would be great, but dont get your hopes up.
 
Puddin

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Weruop said:
.and it obviously can be recreated being that uve dun it. once we get multiple footage of this, we should have an idea of wut it involves, and sooner or later, discover it.
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I don't think that just because it has been done before, it can be so easily recreated that we can call it an AT. We can try our best to recreate it but our efforts are futile at best, while the fact that it has been done before could mean that it was NOT because of lag, but who's to say all the other times it wasn't lag as well? if we can recreate this is training mode or something (doubt we could) that would be great, would definitely raise screams of anger from our opponents.
 
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