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- Thread starter maXXXpower
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-Ka-
Smash Journeyman
I really do want to see this rematch for a couple of reasons.
1) Pokey should be pretty comfortable with Jiggs players because of yours truly, even if he doesn't think so.
2) I always like watching different Jiggs' takes and perspectives against good Sheik players. And thats really what Poke has turned into, Sheik has come the most natural for him.
And on my own behalf, I don't think I stall at all much really (I'm serious). With the exception of playing against Light, my natural tendencies have always been to gradually control the pace of the fight by conflicts ALWAYS initiated and ended by ME. The whole "boring" label was given instead of a word I prefer more which is "minimalistic".
ABIDE's C-Cancel D-Smash was perfected because of my simple, passive aggressive style and Pokey's Falco gradually learned to DI and space attacks better.
I like to think of myself as the "Doggtown and Z-boy" of Jigglypuff players.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc_4i2cB01E&feature=related ,if you don't know what I'm referencing.
KosukeKGA
Smash Champion
You guys have Brawl?
Mind if I try to come this weekend?
Mind if I try to come this weekend?
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2) I always like watching different Jiggs' takes and perspectives against good Sheik players. And thats really what Poke has turned into, Sheik has come the most natural for him.
- Who isn't good with sheik. Sheik is default ****, son. I got pretty good with her in like 2 weeks.
2) I always like watching different Jiggs' takes and perspectives against good Sheik players. And thats really what Poke has turned into, Sheik has come the most natural for him.
- Who isn't good with sheik. Sheik is default ****, son. I got pretty good with her in like 2 weeks.
-Ka-
Smash Journeyman
maXXXpower
Smash Champion
Yes, it's called ledgestalling, and I do it with Marth, Sheik, Fox, and Falco too. It's a legitimate technique to gain and maintain invincibility frames. I use it to bait players to come to me. Which, in our match, it worked perfectly. Watch M2K, he does it all the time.
Also, don't defeat yourself before the match begins. You should have more faith in yourself than that. Isn't TCB's motto "believe"? There are such things as comeback victories, you know. Plus if you take the remainder of your lives when other people are ahead, it really takes the fun out of playing you. Why play somebody that will SD the rest of their stocks when you're doing good? It's just like playing someone who resets the game when they're losing.
I politely disagree.
[1] Pokey does think he's good against Puffs. He's pointed out that he beats you many times.
[2] Sheik is everyone's best character. Whether or not you main her.
Nobody ever wants to think they're campy, but you cannot deny what everyone else repeatedly notices and states about you. Not to say that your playstyle isn't valid or effective, as camping is a very effective strategy. I'm just surprised that you, of all people, would deny their style of play. I cannot count how many matches you've floated well out of distance throwing forward-airs into nothingness waiting for the opponent to whiff an attack so you can space a back-air. Everybody can see that you aren't the most aggressive Jigglypuff of the bunch, although you are one of the better ones. Embrace your personality, don't repress it or hide it.
I think we should have crew matches every Saturday until we all get bored of Smash altogether.
I have to work at 8, I think. It could be earlier, but I'd have to check.
Preach it, maXXXpower!! Thats verbal ****,son!! baby 3 stock, game over, game set, no rematch....... I would love another crew match, this time with Bryan. TCB, you guys should bring Mike.
BTW: I didn't mean any offense when I said those crazy statements about ****! and GAME OVER! Its just Vat- Zero talking.
BTW: I didn't mean any offense when I said those crazy statements about ****! and GAME OVER! Its just Vat- Zero talking.
maXXXpower
Smash Champion
Are you in class, Oscar?
Omar and I were just at your house for like, 4 hours playing Smash with the turbo controller. Then we went to McDonald's and spoke of times past and times to come.
If you can, you should get MSN.
Omar and I were just at your house for like, 4 hours playing Smash with the turbo controller. Then we went to McDonald's and spoke of times past and times to come.
If you can, you should get MSN.
-Ka-
Smash Journeyman
God bless Pokey and his ways but he has often said that he's doesn't get better by playing me and I "teach him bad habits". But I'm glad he's now seeing things my way, ha.
I agree, she is easy to play with.
But as a Jiggs player I can see dramatic differences in comfortability, style, and tech skill when playing someone who mains' Sheik and knows what they are doing.
Aren't stalling and camping two different things?
You declared ledgestalling (which is still stalling) a legitimate technique. I agree with that. My statement to both Pokey and you was to state that I don't perform this tech, much less rely on it. In your last statement you bridged off into camping which makes things a bit confusing for the conversation so I'll move on to, well, me and my thoughts on camping.
Of course I can't deny "what everyone else" says about me. But what do they say? I'm boring? Okay, fine. Oh wait, um, I was wondering Mr. Forward sir, um, what do you mean by "boring"? Geez golly, Mr. Southpaw, could you be more constructive with your feedback?
I've been called the "b" word more so than "campy" yet they never have been able to define or express exactly what playing boring is. So I've come up with my own: Boring is as boring does. I think everyone to some degree, big or small, utilizes a technique that can be deemed "boring" and/or "campy".
So one day G-Mo you'll see that those two words are security blankets for players that wish to scorn Jigglypuff players such as myself. I'm fairing not into nothingness but victory. Because that very technique which you accurately described is something that hits the whole thing right on the head, even though I'm not directly hitting you with the fair, I kinda am. Because I immediately get you with that bair after you miss that f-smash.
maXXXpower
Smash Champion
Please allow me to be respectfully discordant:
However, while they may be dissimilar, they are not, by any means, mutually exclusive. One can be extremely campy or aggressive, and still stall.
Camping itself entails that one person stays out of reach whether in an awkward corner, or high in the air. Staying out of reach is an essential property of stalling. This, as you can imagine, produces long, drawn out matches. (which leads me to believe this is why people have called you 'boring' in the past)
While you may not partake in the specific act of ledgestalling, your particular style can be accurately described as campy, which, in turn suggests some degree of stalling.
Boredom is a result of long, repeated tasks. (ie. the majority of your matches) I think this is what they've been referring to.
I don't think I've ever called you boring, I've always called you campy, which as we've already discussed, is perfectly legitimate and effective. And while everyone performs certain campy techniques at times, most don't revolve their entire playstyle around it. Except for, maybe you and Brad.
'Campy' and 'stall' are not words that are usually used to scorn Jigglypuff players like yourself. I'm a Puff player as well, and last Saturday was the first time my Jiggs has been called campy. I was just put off that Pokey blamed his loss on my ledgestalling when, it's not the first time, or the last time I've used it, and because he missed a couple of F-Airs and needles trying to get me off the edge.
Again, I want to reiterate that I am, by no means, aiming to belittle your playstyle. Many of the players that I admire, like Omar and Brad, are proficient campers/stallers.
Yes, camping and stalling are two separate things.
However, while they may be dissimilar, they are not, by any means, mutually exclusive. One can be extremely campy or aggressive, and still stall.
Camping itself entails that one person stays out of reach whether in an awkward corner, or high in the air. Staying out of reach is an essential property of stalling. This, as you can imagine, produces long, drawn out matches. (which leads me to believe this is why people have called you 'boring' in the past)
While you may not partake in the specific act of ledgestalling, your particular style can be accurately described as campy, which, in turn suggests some degree of stalling.
What constructive criticism would you expect someone to give you after they play you?
Boredom is a result of long, repeated tasks. (ie. the majority of your matches) I think this is what they've been referring to.
I don't think I've ever called you boring, I've always called you campy, which as we've already discussed, is perfectly legitimate and effective. And while everyone performs certain campy techniques at times, most don't revolve their entire playstyle around it. Except for, maybe you and Brad.
I sincerely hope that you don't think that I use the term 'campy' to offend or scorn you. I'm simply describing your playstyle. On the other hand, however, I also hope that you aren't insinuating that I use "security blankets" to justify my losses against you--"security blankets" sounds like you're accusing me of Johns. When I lose to you, I realize that it is my fault. I failed to space correctly, or adjust properly to your style of play.
'Campy' and 'stall' are not words that are usually used to scorn Jigglypuff players like yourself. I'm a Puff player as well, and last Saturday was the first time my Jiggs has been called campy. I was just put off that Pokey blamed his loss on my ledgestalling when, it's not the first time, or the last time I've used it, and because he missed a couple of F-Airs and needles trying to get me off the edge.
Again, I want to reiterate that I am, by no means, aiming to belittle your playstyle. Many of the players that I admire, like Omar and Brad, are proficient campers/stallers.
Yo, Jacob, you stall and camp. Thats the end of the argument. If you don't like it, then change your style. If your really cool with your style, you wouldn't have to defend it every time someone discusses it.
Quote: "Because I immediately get you with that bair after you miss that f-smash."
I play people like you all the time, Jose mastered that technique with me. I used to say, those who can't tech or attack, wait and or put their shield up like cowards until I'm done. Forrest does the same thing, he waits while he shield and then attacks, easy to do. Even G-mo's Donkey Kong does it. Basically those strategies imply that one skill level or character isn't up to par with the opponent's. So in order to win, they must make a decision that will make them look " boring" or " campy". Omar doesn't have to be campy to win, and he's never boring. Light has Tech skill to back up his campy style and can also run after you and beat you down with his insane combos if he wants to. So basically, Jacob, my friend, I hope your still my friend, it is just a game, your style is Extremely defensive. I don't care, I still have fun playing you, its like a challenge. You know me, I love playing you and I also back you up when your playing an opponent that isn't STB. Love who you are JAk, your KA ,Jiggypuff player, who will kill you and win a match by you making every mistake that leads to your death!
Quote: "Because I immediately get you with that bair after you miss that f-smash."
I play people like you all the time, Jose mastered that technique with me. I used to say, those who can't tech or attack, wait and or put their shield up like cowards until I'm done. Forrest does the same thing, he waits while he shield and then attacks, easy to do. Even G-mo's Donkey Kong does it. Basically those strategies imply that one skill level or character isn't up to par with the opponent's. So in order to win, they must make a decision that will make them look " boring" or " campy". Omar doesn't have to be campy to win, and he's never boring. Light has Tech skill to back up his campy style and can also run after you and beat you down with his insane combos if he wants to. So basically, Jacob, my friend, I hope your still my friend, it is just a game, your style is Extremely defensive. I don't care, I still have fun playing you, its like a challenge. You know me, I love playing you and I also back you up when your playing an opponent that isn't STB. Love who you are JAk, your KA ,Jiggypuff player, who will kill you and win a match by you making every mistake that leads to your death!
-Ka-
Smash Journeyman
Well screw it. I'm done with this bull**** game. I'm out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueuauKKjPZI&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueuauKKjPZI&NR=1
i play jake for hours a week and ill say hes never stalled
camped most def
but ive never seen him or had him stall a match
and yes i will say i am good against puffs
if that match against yours (and having beaten your puff once already)isnt proof enough then there is really not point in playing again
plus i shouldnt feel like i have to prove it anyways
camped most def
but ive never seen him or had him stall a match
and yes i will say i am good against puffs
if that match against yours (and having beaten your puff once already)isnt proof enough then there is really not point in playing again
plus i shouldnt feel like i have to prove it anyways
Rang Flash
Smash Journeyman
Do you mean youre done arguing or youre done playing Smash for good?
If it's the latter, I'd just like to say that quitting Smash is impossible. It's like saying your going to quit breathing. Even if you say you quit, it's only an illusion.
Don't quit! lol
-Ka-
Smash Journeyman
Yeah, done as in done.
I don't know why I got into this whole argument with G-Mo to begin with. I guess it was just a way to avoid me coming out with the fact that I don't have my heart in the game anymore, not even Brawl (which might make me sound a bit hypocritical since I spoke so much about having enthusiasm for it).
To me Dev 08' was my last shot, my last stab at greatness. And by "greatness" I do mean in all aspects. I wanted to personally feel accomplished but I also wanted to win the whole god**** thing.
This game has worn me down. I've given it more time and commitment than most things in my life. I bought the ticket and took the ride. Happy. Angry. Sad. Pissed. Determined. Confident. Doubtful. Anxious. Nervous. Best of all, accomplished.
And now I'm done. I'm finished.
I don't know why I got into this whole argument with G-Mo to begin with. I guess it was just a way to avoid me coming out with the fact that I don't have my heart in the game anymore, not even Brawl (which might make me sound a bit hypocritical since I spoke so much about having enthusiasm for it).
To me Dev 08' was my last shot, my last stab at greatness. And by "greatness" I do mean in all aspects. I wanted to personally feel accomplished but I also wanted to win the whole god**** thing.
This game has worn me down. I've given it more time and commitment than most things in my life. I bought the ticket and took the ride. Happy. Angry. Sad. Pissed. Determined. Confident. Doubtful. Anxious. Nervous. Best of all, accomplished.
And now I'm done. I'm finished.
Yoko the wolf
Smash Cadet
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I'll try to make it Friday and/or Saturday. I've missed Smash and should put it back into my life again. I've felt so down without it. I need to see how things are going first.
Ka, listen. You've accoplished something I can't and others in this thread can't either. You came to my house around july and then started ****** people in like in your first 2 months. You made Forward John and still continue to improve. In addition to that, you kept a clean attitude with little to no johns, which I respect highly. You are the reason TCB is what TCB is, in my opinion. I say if you did quit, that I understand and I hope that whatever you do later in the future, who do it as well as you did playing smash. With much respect, I have to say that I'm gonna really miss you coming to my weeklies. You were a great friend and opponent.
and yes i will say i am good against puffs
if that match against yours (and having beaten your puff once already)isnt proof enough then there is really not point in playing again
plus i shouldnt feel like i have to prove it anyways[/QUOTE]
can you prove it? In my experience, one win means absolutely nothing.
if that match against yours (and having beaten your puff once already)isnt proof enough then there is really not point in playing again
plus i shouldnt feel like i have to prove it anyways[/QUOTE]
can you prove it? In my experience, one win means absolutely nothing.
Yoko the wolf
Smash Cadet
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I'll be over Friday after class. I can't make Saturday apparently so I'll make tomorrow my official **** Day.
Ramos88
Smash Rookie
Puertorico here.. So I quit my job today, and I'm free from the man for a while longer, I honestly don't think it's possible to make it this sat but the next one I'll try... now show me your love and everyone tell me how awesome I am
Unfortuntely, I don't think I can make it this Saturday. JJ's mom doesn't want to take us ("to long of a drive") and my dad is taking my brother to a birthday party, while my mom is taking my sister to her Gymnastics meet. There is a slight chance I can come, but I doubt it.
ChaosTheory
Smash Ace
Don't give up altogether...do what the rest of us have done. Give up puff. Retire that fat ball and pick up someone fun. Don't take it seriously
ChaosTheory
Smash Ace
maXXXpower
Smash Champion
This is truth.
So.....were they good as KA? Are you great with jiggy? Can you beat me with a jiggy after I play Ka's jiggy that can beat me to death for 8min? I'll see every mistake you do and ****...... and yes I remember Brandon having a jiggy, but he lost against Shane when I last saw it so......um......and tim better not be that guy who came to my house with shane one day because that guy is a cry baby, as soon as a fox ***** ( Butters) his jiggy, he stats johning about how "cheap" fox is. And that being the reason he quit. Thats just gay! I was scrubby back then, so I can't see him beating me now, but I can see Ka doing it. So.....like I said, KA is really good with jiggy.
maXXXpower
Smash Champion
yo, oscar! we need to play again today. preferably now.
maXXXpower
Smash Champion
Ven paca, o dame un telefonazo.
maXXXpower
Smash Champion
Apurate, pues. Estoy aburrido.
Knightmare
Smash Cadet
Tim was the best Jiggly Arizona ever had and possibly one of the best in America in his prime. He taught King some combos he didnt know. Ka is not even close to the level Tim was. Sorry if that sounds mean. But trust me I know what I'm talking about.
Knightmare
Smash Cadet
Do you know how out of practice we are and were when we came over. We had retired for months before that. Do you think Ka can beat the DBR crew mew2king isaiah sean or taj with his jiggly? Well I've seen Timmy do it in his prime. You have no idea how good we used to be and still can be. I come over every once in a while to see whats going on in the smash scene and see how much people are improving and honestly no one scares me. If me and Timmy played melee for like 2-3 weeks with dedication, I know for a fact we could jump to the top 5 of the AZ list. But Melee doesn't matter anymore so we won't waste our time.
WOW. Is all this true? So then why did you guys retire if you gentlemen were so dominate in the game? No disrespect or anything, Shane. I just don't understand people who retire. They always bring up the past, which is good because if it wasn't for you, I wouldn't be playing smash. And to be honest with you, Ka has been playing for like 5 months and if he actually started the time I did, not Tim, then he would of ***** TIM and DBR at what ever time Tim played them and now. Its unfortunate that melee is leaving like in a month, so Ka doesn't have the ability to actually show you. Could Tim beat Mew2king or DBR right now if he was playing the way he did back then? I hope this debate doesn't get too crazy, to me, this is just idle chatter.
I am curious how good Tim was. I tend to forget skill level because people keep getting better as months past, just look at Axe, that guy is impressive. Even Forward and Light get better and better. I fight Light all the time and every month I see more improvement. I'll be scared if I was playing against Light or Axe. They are pretty good.