Official Standard Custom Moveset Project: Lucina

[Locuan]

Crescent Slash will be in sets included in the release I'm sure.

My current one's are:
3113
1113
3123 (I rarely use this though)

I feel that the vertical recovery is important in my own gameplay especially when I want to go for deeper edge guards. With Crescent Slash though incorrect DI means that if you get the F-throw on the ledge on your opponent at 60ish% you will probably take the stock. (needs more testing).

 

[Macchiato]

With everyone's thought and inputs. I'd say that the best sets are

3113
3111
1121
3121
1131
3131
1123
3123
1133
3133

Dashing Assualt and Shield Breaker seem to be most favored neutral.
Dancing blade outclasses the rest.
All of the recoveries have their use.
Iai Counter and Default are obviously the better ones.

Yew gorls agree?

 

[Locuan]

I think that list looks pretty good.

 

[Macchiato]

@John12346 @ Amazing Ampharos I think we're done here, the list is in my post above.

 

[ぱみゅ]

I'd fit 1113 somewhere, but I don't really have complaints.

 

[eshu125]

Are these set in stone? Kind of sucks that there isn't a 1113 build. Personally I think almost all of her customs are situational but her Iai counter being frame 3 feels like a direct upgrade to her current counter and it'd be nice to have that while still sticking with her perfectly viable other 3 specials

 

[Nika]

Hey, new member and Lucina main here... I've been wondering about ^ myself. I find Dolphin Slash and Shield Breaker far too valuable to give up, but Iai Counter can be super useful.

I'd vote to replace 1133, since I really don't think Dolphin Jump is worth sacrificing the combo-breaking, stage-spiking, and general mix-up capability of Dolphin Slash.

What do people think? Would there be some way of getting it changed if we wanted to?

 

[ぱみゅ]

I regret not fully supporting 1113 back there....

 

[RavensArk]

I thought this glitch with Lucina's custom up b (Dolphin jump) was funny

 

[Locuan]

I regret not fully supporting 1113 back there....

After today's weekly, I'm definitely not running Crescent Slash again. It's strong, and amazing for what it can do, but it's weaknesses severely hold me back. So yea I agree with you kyo. I should have advocated 1113 as well.

 

[ぱみゅ]

Crescent Slash is niche, but it's not a good OOS option, not a Close-Quarters mixup, not a good recovery move (Dolphin Jump at least has this one), and at a certain point where the combo stops working it's pretty much useless...

 

[Dooms]

Why are people choosing Iai counter over default?

I understand that it sends them behind you and you can get some cool angles, but there's also the fact that it doesn't last as long as default counter, and when you're actually wanting to use a counter, it generally does its job regardless (edge guards recoveries, stops people from mindlessly juggling you, helps you out when you're recovering, etc). I personally don't like having the risk of the opponent barely delaying a move to get past my counter (Which has happened to me multiple times when they weren't even expecting a counter) versus them having to actually read that I was going to counter at that point, so I generally go default. Is there something big I'm missing about Iai counter, or is it just not for me? It seems like the only actual benefit is that you can pull some goofy stuff off if they run into it while they're trying to gimp you offstage, but regular counter deals with that scenario just as well (making it so that you can recover).

Also, are there any matchups where you would use Dolphin Jump aside from exploding balloon Villager? I'm trying to think of any where the opponent constantly has traps out that would stop our recovery, but I can't think of any. :/

 

[Locuan]

@ Dooms , the counter window for Iaia is shorter (frame 3-16) but it comes out faster than regular counter (frame 3 vs. frame 6). If you had good reaction times, this counter will benefit you a lot as well as you can use it at tighter frame windows and not get punished as you would for using regular counter. In competitive, and for counters, a 3 frame difference in counter window start-up makes a lot of difference.

 

[Dooms]

@ Dooms , the counter window for Iaia is shorter (frame 3-16) but it comes out faster than regular counter (frame 3 vs. frame 6). If you had good reaction times, this counter will benefit you a lot as well as you can use it at tighter frame windows and not get punished as you would for using regular counter. In competitive, and for counters, a 3 frame difference in counter window start-up makes a lot of difference.

I didn't know it came out faster. That explains quite a bit actually. Thank you! (:

 

[Nika]

So... is there any actual possibility of changing the tournament moveset, or is it locked until Evo? Or beyond? Is there some process for it? I wasn't paying attention when the sets were decided, haha.

 

[Moydow]

They're locked in until Evo at least. After that, they'll be open to discussion again.

 

[Nika]

Ah okay, thanks. I might try learning 1123 but honestly default seems like the best set available right now.

 

[ぱみゅ]

3113 is a close second, but then again, Shield Breaker actually is a good move for Lucina

 

[Nika]

3113 is a close second, but then again, Shield Breaker actually is a good move for Lucina

Is Dashing Assault really any good? It helps with recovery, sure, but it seems like a weak offensive option against anyone who's seen it a few times. And Shield Breaker is super important, given how badly shields shut down most of our approaches.