ranmaru
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Reads:
Sabrar: I've noticed that Sabrar isn't as hyper active as I'd expect, yet it doesn't mean he's scum from that alone. Plus I have seen him scumhunt in thread and he has been present, he's just been toned down. When I have seen scum sabrar (only once mind you), he was much less present, and giving excuses as to why he couldn't be around. I could be wrong and remembering things wrong, but Boom and Laser can correct me if I'm wrong, since we can't access the forums anymore. He has progression and to me it seems like it comes from a town pov. He is my strongest town read, who is consistently scum hunting, with good points. If not me, he would be one to actually pin point scum. Of that I am confident.
Pythag: I expect a scum Pythag to be less likely to be as present as he has been. I already like his #30. I don't expect Pythag to be aggressive, but I have been seeing a genuine attempt at sorting and solving.
#80 #103 #178 #181 #192 #298 #343
These are more active questioning from Pythag, which seem genuine. I also like that he states a town read on Ninja, and as expected, asks me about the other side. (Which I'll respond to) I also don't have any pings from Pythag either.
Z25: I think he took a while to warm up, but has been more engaged with discussion and has given his reads on the cast after the neighborhood has been exposed. #120 #137 is also a sense of discovery. I think he also has a passive aspect to his play, and also isn't voting at the moment, but has shown their stances. Yet, I would also like to see how their reads have updated.
Boomfrog: I find his posts to be reasonable upon reconsidering my read on Laser. We don't have much from him, and he can be dangerous if left unchecked. Yet I'm fine with him for today. Yet I need more from him to have a more solid read from him. His reads post is the only post I feel we can really look at: #173 Does come in with a post considering both sides on Ninja: #350 I have no reason to believe he's mafia from his posts, but like Laser, I'd like more.
Laser: He entered with the emoji posting restriction, which was null. It was hard to understand his content, but after he dropped it, and showed his thought process from the reactions to it, shows to me it was all town motivated. His confusion with my early interaction with Sabrar also makes sense, as I have (multiple times) explained that I dread setup speculation over scum hunting. He is also wrong on Sabrar, but I almost reconsidered my read on Sabrar due to his read on him. He's lower in the town list as he hasn't done as much since then, although has asked Ninja a question about the slip. I am curious about his updated reads.
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Wisp: Wisp has yet to give a full dive, which he states he'll give Thursday. Him not voting or pushing anyone, or showing any sign of WIM also isn't helping myself or others read him. Yet he hasn't shown any agenda yet either. He wants others to find a different direction than Ninja but isn't doing the work himself.
Maven: Null. Not someone I'd want lynched today, but he's not someone I'd cry over if he were used as a compromise lynch. Yet I hope at the same time, he actually comes through and posts content. When Maven comes through, he comes through. He usually doesn't, though.
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UP: Sabrar mentions a good point of him being over confident with the neighborhood and lessening over time, which is the only thing from having full trust in UP. It shows he's ashamed of being confident in that fact. Confidence can waver, but only if the player in question plays in a way that causes them to realize they may be wrong. His #73 seems calculated, because at the time, there was nothing to suggest Ninja as suspicious. So Sabrar's concerns are valid here. In his #76, he mentions that Ninja is earnest and upfront, so this shows there is little reason to have his read 'fall really quickly', especially without knowing the reasoning behind his decision to out the neighborhood. I also don't find his #289 to be a genuine take, because Wisp hasn't really done much to earn a town read, which is why I think he's asking that question. Finally, I find #290 to be random, and odd since he had such confidence on Ninja. Doesn't make sense to drop the wagon when there are only two votes on it. Plus he states he has no change in read on Ninja, so there was no reason to change gear here. It would only make sense from a Town POV if his read did change from Ninja's play.
Jackrito: #119 What stands out to me was his question to Wisp, which was a good point. I take his #54 as null. Jack seems to be doing the right things, but I also agree with Sabrar that, he hasn't been looking closely in terms with Laser. His #124 seems unfair stating that 'town would not do this' when it's a null thing to do, but when shown afterwards, it seemed likely to be a town thing to do and Jack even backed down from it. It just shows he wasn't actually considering that side. I also agree with Sabrar that his #155 doesn't care to actually show the evidence for why finds UP's posts good yet having an annoying feeling towards his play. Finally in his #314 he justifies Ninja as town by saying 'he's the worst town he has ever seen' while agreeing with my #268 entirely. Finally his #170 seems to be unfair towards Pythag, who has been present and trying to move the game forward (with questioning) in comparison to his read on Ninja, who isn't doing that much, but does try to seem town. Yet they don't consider this from Ninja, but uses that (trying to appear town) as ammo against Pythag. Aggressiveness or passiveness doesn't actually do much to show one's own alignment, what matters is the intent. Pythag has been much more helpful than Ninja. Yet Jack has committed to this stance, even after he Pythag has seemed to resolve this.
3DSNinja: Ninja was caught newb scum from page one. He didn't answer Pythag's question, which shows he cares more to show that he has a suspicion on UP rather than genuinely interact with it.
#44 #45 This is not something he would know to avoid as newb scum. I can't blame him for it, but it's something he should note as a lesson for the future. #68 #79 he claims neighbors to narrow the suspect pool, but that doesn't really help explain why he felt it was best to do so even when I suggested against it. I respond to this in my #81 but he feels tight lipped as if he doesn't want to engage with this further. He only then comes back to post reads after the fact: #107 It seems like a post that doesn't mesh naturally with the rest. As in, he comes back mentioning Laser being a troll and giving his reads but it doesn't naturally progress from my conversation with him nor UP's. Plus the worst part is this quote:
Sabrar: I've noticed that Sabrar isn't as hyper active as I'd expect, yet it doesn't mean he's scum from that alone. Plus I have seen him scumhunt in thread and he has been present, he's just been toned down. When I have seen scum sabrar (only once mind you), he was much less present, and giving excuses as to why he couldn't be around. I could be wrong and remembering things wrong, but Boom and Laser can correct me if I'm wrong, since we can't access the forums anymore. He has progression and to me it seems like it comes from a town pov. He is my strongest town read, who is consistently scum hunting, with good points. If not me, he would be one to actually pin point scum. Of that I am confident.
Pythag: I expect a scum Pythag to be less likely to be as present as he has been. I already like his #30. I don't expect Pythag to be aggressive, but I have been seeing a genuine attempt at sorting and solving.
#80 #103 #178 #181 #192 #298 #343
These are more active questioning from Pythag, which seem genuine. I also like that he states a town read on Ninja, and as expected, asks me about the other side. (Which I'll respond to) I also don't have any pings from Pythag either.
Z25: I think he took a while to warm up, but has been more engaged with discussion and has given his reads on the cast after the neighborhood has been exposed. #120 #137 is also a sense of discovery. I think he also has a passive aspect to his play, and also isn't voting at the moment, but has shown their stances. Yet, I would also like to see how their reads have updated.
Boomfrog: I find his posts to be reasonable upon reconsidering my read on Laser. We don't have much from him, and he can be dangerous if left unchecked. Yet I'm fine with him for today. Yet I need more from him to have a more solid read from him. His reads post is the only post I feel we can really look at: #173 Does come in with a post considering both sides on Ninja: #350 I have no reason to believe he's mafia from his posts, but like Laser, I'd like more.
Laser: He entered with the emoji posting restriction, which was null. It was hard to understand his content, but after he dropped it, and showed his thought process from the reactions to it, shows to me it was all town motivated. His confusion with my early interaction with Sabrar also makes sense, as I have (multiple times) explained that I dread setup speculation over scum hunting. He is also wrong on Sabrar, but I almost reconsidered my read on Sabrar due to his read on him. He's lower in the town list as he hasn't done as much since then, although has asked Ninja a question about the slip. I am curious about his updated reads.
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Wisp: Wisp has yet to give a full dive, which he states he'll give Thursday. Him not voting or pushing anyone, or showing any sign of WIM also isn't helping myself or others read him. Yet he hasn't shown any agenda yet either. He wants others to find a different direction than Ninja but isn't doing the work himself.
Maven: Null. Not someone I'd want lynched today, but he's not someone I'd cry over if he were used as a compromise lynch. Yet I hope at the same time, he actually comes through and posts content. When Maven comes through, he comes through. He usually doesn't, though.
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UP: Sabrar mentions a good point of him being over confident with the neighborhood and lessening over time, which is the only thing from having full trust in UP. It shows he's ashamed of being confident in that fact. Confidence can waver, but only if the player in question plays in a way that causes them to realize they may be wrong. His #73 seems calculated, because at the time, there was nothing to suggest Ninja as suspicious. So Sabrar's concerns are valid here. In his #76, he mentions that Ninja is earnest and upfront, so this shows there is little reason to have his read 'fall really quickly', especially without knowing the reasoning behind his decision to out the neighborhood. I also don't find his #289 to be a genuine take, because Wisp hasn't really done much to earn a town read, which is why I think he's asking that question. Finally, I find #290 to be random, and odd since he had such confidence on Ninja. Doesn't make sense to drop the wagon when there are only two votes on it. Plus he states he has no change in read on Ninja, so there was no reason to change gear here. It would only make sense from a Town POV if his read did change from Ninja's play.
Jackrito: #119 What stands out to me was his question to Wisp, which was a good point. I take his #54 as null. Jack seems to be doing the right things, but I also agree with Sabrar that, he hasn't been looking closely in terms with Laser. His #124 seems unfair stating that 'town would not do this' when it's a null thing to do, but when shown afterwards, it seemed likely to be a town thing to do and Jack even backed down from it. It just shows he wasn't actually considering that side. I also agree with Sabrar that his #155 doesn't care to actually show the evidence for why finds UP's posts good yet having an annoying feeling towards his play. Finally in his #314 he justifies Ninja as town by saying 'he's the worst town he has ever seen' while agreeing with my #268 entirely. Finally his #170 seems to be unfair towards Pythag, who has been present and trying to move the game forward (with questioning) in comparison to his read on Ninja, who isn't doing that much, but does try to seem town. Yet they don't consider this from Ninja, but uses that (trying to appear town) as ammo against Pythag. Aggressiveness or passiveness doesn't actually do much to show one's own alignment, what matters is the intent. Pythag has been much more helpful than Ninja. Yet Jack has committed to this stance, even after he Pythag has seemed to resolve this.
3DSNinja: Ninja was caught newb scum from page one. He didn't answer Pythag's question, which shows he cares more to show that he has a suspicion on UP rather than genuinely interact with it.
#44 #45 This is not something he would know to avoid as newb scum. I can't blame him for it, but it's something he should note as a lesson for the future. #68 #79 he claims neighbors to narrow the suspect pool, but that doesn't really help explain why he felt it was best to do so even when I suggested against it. I respond to this in my #81 but he feels tight lipped as if he doesn't want to engage with this further. He only then comes back to post reads after the fact: #107 It seems like a post that doesn't mesh naturally with the rest. As in, he comes back mentioning Laser being a troll and giving his reads but it doesn't naturally progress from my conversation with him nor UP's. Plus the worst part is this quote:
Finally, the nail in his coffin and the silver bullet:
Both quotes are posted 2 minutes apart. What really is damning is the green, why is there an insistence of stating myself and Z as def town? To me, it's simply to spread misinformation and connections upon his scum flip. Plus, the red shows he cares more than he likes us to think. He's noted that Wisp's bravado has given him a town read, so he's been trying to use the same tactic but over-using it. Which shows us he cares more for his own appearance and survival rather than solving. Do note that there was a period of time that I wasn't posting, so he had plenty of time to try to solve in the mean time, but it seems he is spending his time defending rather than scumhunting. Since page 8, he hasn't been present, or making an effort to progress the town in his own way.
