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Not even remotely a new team

Pink Reaper

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So I've been getting a little more serious in ladder play on shoddybattle and decided that I should probably stop using only my mono-type teams and start using a serious team. However as I am lazy, I didn't bother to actually make a new team and am just using an old one, so without further ado, I bring you......my old *** team.


Team at a Glance:







Bronzong@Leftovers
Relaxed/Heatproof
252Hp/40Def/140SpAtk/76SpDef
-Gyro Ball
-Earthqauake
-Grass Knot
-Explosion

Ah Bronzong, you once reined as one of the top 3 leads but now you've nearly dropped off the map. Still for me, there is no better lead than my own custom Offensive Lead Zong. Even after almost a year and quite a few attempts at finding something better, this will forever be my best lead. HP Electric has been ignored for Grass Knot as Gyarados leads have all but gone extinct and should one rear its ugly head a combination of Grass Knot+Explosion deals well with them. Azelf and Aerodactyl Leads are easily dealt with with Gyroball, Azelf only being able to do minor damage with Fire Blast and Aerodactyl often afraid to attack. Swampert and Hippowdon are easily 2HKO'd by Grass Knot. Infernape and Heatran both lack the ability to 2HKO me while I can do it back with Earthquake, not that they ever try. In their overconfidence they always try something foolish like stealth rocks and end up getting 2HKO'd while leaving me with well over half health. Metagross can be annoying as he tends to explode in my face, not that that's strong enough to kill me, but it usually leaves me at an HP number I don't like to be at. Trick Jirachi is a hit or miss situation. I usually let something else absorb the Trick, like Metagross or Mamoswine but honestly Bronzong has almost no way to deal with it himself, unless they start throwing out Fire Punches that deal all of 15% damage :laugh:

If you can find a reason for me to change this lead, a good reason, i will do it.






Tyranitar@Babiri Berry
Jolly/Sandstream
110Atk/252Spe/148SpDef
-Dragon Dance
-Stone Edge
-Crunch
-Fire Punch

This was one of the only changes I've made to the old team, switching from special wall TTar to this. BabiriTar is so stupidly good it's not even funny. Comes in with impunity on pokemon like Jolteon or Bulky Zapdos and sets up with a DD. After that I just watch the KO's happen. Choice Band Bullet Punch from Scizor does a maximum of 52%, a big hit for sure, but when it's easily OHKO'd back, leaving me with a +1/+1 Tyranitar, I have no big worries. The Babiri Berry isn't a crutch however, more of an insurance policy. With it I never have need to fear a scizor, but my foe never realizes it, often attempting to U-Turn my switch, resulting in being out sped and OHKO'd while taking no damage on my side. It's a no lose situation that removes one of the most dangerous pokemon in the metagame and leaves me prime to do some real damage.




Hippowdon@Leftovers
Impish/Sandstream
252Hp/58Atk/200Def
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake
-Slack Off
-Roar

Best. Physical. Wall. Ever. No one will ever convince me otherwise. Nothing stands in the way of CB Scizor, CB Heracross, DD and CBTar and SD Lucario like this guy. Skarmory, eat your heart out, as your stealth rocks neutrality and lower overall physical defense leaves you in fear of powerful hits, Hippowdon stands bravely in the faces of powerful physical attacker easily surviveng their hits. Stealth Rocks completely ignored for the much better option of Stone Edge, allowing me to stand defiantly in the face of Dragon Dance Salamence, lowering the need to bring out my other pokes early. Roar as a necessity because even without the use of residual damage(I have neither spikes nor steath rocks on my team) Phazing will always be important.





Latias@Choice Specs
Timid/Levitate
252SpAtk/252Spe/4Hp
-Surf
-Thunderbolt
-Dragon Pulse
-Draco Meteor(Will probably replace this)

I've always shied away from Choice users in the past as I rarely found the benefit to outweigh the restriction. Latias however has won me over as the restriction is rarely a problem. Saved late game there's rarely anything my opponent can do to stop this special behemoth, once Blissey is dead(if they are one of the rare players who still uses it >_>) or the steel types have been removed it's just a matter of choosing whichever attack isn't resisted and unleashing fury. Latias also serves as my Infernape counter(should Bronzong not lure him out) switching in easily(as nothing on my team really draws HP Ice) out speeding and threatening a OHKO with Dragon Pulse/Surf. Draco Meteor is for those lazy, "I don't want to predict" days, as even Blissey loses out on a good 30% when switching into it. I may replace it however in favor of Grass Knot or HP Fighting to give me the ability to OHKO Tyranitar.





Mamoswine@Life Orb
Adamant/Snow Cloak
252Atk/252Spe/4Hp
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Ice Shard
-Superpower

The most basic of basic, but it works so why mess with it? Late game cleaner to be sure, and a fun little way to score free KO's if I should find myself against a salamence. Not really much to say about this one, I save him for the end of the game then easily kill everything that gets in my way. Fun fact, should a Skarmory switch in on Stone Edge, attempt to set up instead of healing right away and gets hit with another Stone Edge I can solidify a KO with Superpower. Yep, this thing can 3HKO skarmory.





Metagross@Life Orb
Adamant/Clear Body
252Atk/252Spe/4HP
-Agility
-Thunderpunch
-Meteor Mash
-Earthquake

Eh, it's Agiligross, what's there to say? Unprepared teams are easily swept, prepared teams.......not so much. Im pretty sure Smogon suggests a different EV spread to which i say, screw you. With much faster pokemon like Jirachi and Flygon(and even Salamence now) I say max speed is a must.



So that's it, a heavy OU team with a splash of Pink Reaper creativity thrown in for good measure. Rate away.
 

c3gill

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So I've been getting a little more serious in ladder play on shoddybattle and decided that I should probably stop using only my mono-type teams and start using a serious team. However as I am lazy, I didn't bother to actually make a new team and am just using an old one, so without further ado, I bring you......my old *** team.


Team at a Glance:







Bronzong@Leftovers
Relaxed/Heatproof
252Hp/40Def/140SpAtk/76SpDef
-Gyro Ball
-Earthqauake
-Grass Knot
-Explosion

Ah Bronzong, you once reined as one of the top 3 leads but now you've nearly dropped off the map. Still for me, there is no better lead than my own custom Offensive Lead Zong. Even after almost a year and quite a few attempts at finding something better, this will forever be my best lead. HP Electric has been ignored for Grass Knot as Gyarados leads have all but gone extinct and should one rear its ugly head a combination of Grass Knot+Explosion deals well with them. Azelf and Aerodactyl Leads are easily dealt with with Gyroball, Azelf only being able to do minor damage with Fire Blast and Aerodactyl often afraid to attack. Swampert and Hippowdon are easily 2HKO'd by Grass Knot. Infernape and Heatran both lack the ability to 2HKO me while I can do it back with Earthquake, not that they ever try. In their overconfidence they always try something foolish like stealth rocks and end up getting 2HKO'd while leaving me with well over half health. Metagross can be annoying as he tends to explode in my face, not that that's strong enough to kill me, but it usually leaves me at an HP number I don't like to be at. Trick Jirachi is a hit or miss situation. I usually let something else absorb the Trick, like Metagross or Mamoswine but honestly Bronzong has almost no way to deal with it himself, unless they start throwing out Fire Punches that deal all of 15% damage :laugh:

If you can find a reason for me to change this lead, a good reason, i will do it.

This is the exact reason for my Aero set that I posted in the Dex submissions- you MUST test lead-Zongs for Heatproof. How do you deal with Ninjask? Gyarados?




Tyranitar@Babiri Berry
Jolly/Sandstream
110Atk/252Spe/148SpDef
-Dragon Dance
-Stone Edge
-Crunch
-Fire Punch

This was one of the only changes I've made to the old team, switching from special wall TTar to this. BabiriTar is so stupidly good it's not even funny. Comes in with impunity on pokemon like Jolteon or Bulky Zapdos and sets up with a DD. After that I just watch the KO's happen. Choice Band Bullet Punch from Scizor does a maximum of 52%, a big hit for sure, but when it's easily OHKO'd back, leaving me with a +1/+1 Tyranitar, I have no big worries. The Babiri Berry isn't a crutch however, more of an insurance policy. With it I never have need to fear a scizor, but my foe never realizes it, often attempting to U-Turn my switch, resulting in being out sped and OHKO'd while taking no damage on my side. It's a no lose situation that removes one of the most dangerous pokemon in the metagame and leaves me prime to do some real damage.

Why not Adamant? especially if your running DD.....



Hippowdon@Leftovers
Impish/Sandstream
252Hp/58Atk/200Def
-Stone Edge
-Earthquake
-Slack Off
-Roar

Best. Physical. Wall. Ever. No one will ever convince me otherwise. Nothing stands in the way of CB Scizor, CB Heracross, DD and CBTar and SD Lucario like this guy. Skarmory, eat your heart out, as your stealth rocks neutrality and lower overall physical defense leaves you in fear of powerful hits, Hippowdon stands bravely in the faces of powerful physical attacker easily surviveng their hits. Stealth Rocks completely ignored for the much better option of Stone Edge, allowing me to stand defiantly in the face of Dragon Dance Salamence, lowering the need to bring out my other pokes early. Roar as a necessity because even without the use of residual damage(I have neither spikes nor steath rocks on my team) Phazing will always be important.

Why no Ice Fang, over Stone Edge? I find that Ice Fang is a better deal- your really only using it for fliers, and it hits most of them for 4x.



Latias@Choice Specs
Timid/Levitate
252SpAtk/252Spe/4Hp
-Surf
-Thunderbolt
-Dragon Pulse
-Draco Meteor(Will probably replace this)

I've always shied away from Choice users in the past as I rarely found the benefit to outweigh the restriction. Latias however has won me over as the restriction is rarely a problem. Saved late game there's rarely anything my opponent can do to stop this special behemoth, once Blissey is dead(if they are one of the rare players who still uses it >_>) or the steel types have been removed it's just a matter of choosing whichever attack isn't resisted and unleashing fury. Latias also serves as my Infernape counter(should Bronzong not lure him out) switching in easily(as nothing on my team really draws HP Ice) out speeding and threatening a OHKO with Dragon Pulse/Surf. Draco Meteor is for those lazy, "I don't want to predict" days, as even Blissey loses out on a good 30% when switching into it. I may replace it however in favor of Grass Knot or HP Fighting to give me the ability to OHKO Tyranitar.

Drop Dragon Pulse, not Draco Meteor! As your running Specs, your going to be playing a hit-and-run, and Draco Meteor ***** faces. If your stuck on running Pulse, drop the Meteors for some Trick. Its handy :)



Mamoswine@Life Orb
Adamant/Snow Cloak
252Atk/252Spe/4Hp
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Ice Shard
-Superpower

The most basic of basic, but it works so why mess with it? Late game cleaner to be sure, and a fun little way to score free KO's if I should find myself against a salamence. Not really much to say about this one, I save him for the end of the game then easily kill everything that gets in my way. Fun fact, should a Skarmory switch in on Stone Edge, attempt to set up instead of healing right away and gets hit with another Stone Edge I can solidify a KO with Superpower. Yep, this thing can 3HKO skarmory.

what am i supposed to say to this?



Metagross@Life Orb
Adamant/Clear Body
252Atk/252Spe/4HP
-Agility
-Thunderpunch
-Meteor Mash
-Earthquake

Eh, it's Agiligross, what's there to say? Unprepared teams are easily swept, prepared teams.......not so much. Im pretty sure Smogon suggests a different EV spread to which i say, screw you. With much faster pokemon like Jirachi and Flygon(and even Salamence now) I say max speed is a must.

yea.

So that's it, a heavy OU team with a splash of Pink Reaper creativity thrown in for good measure. Rate away.
**** is in red

pretty good ****.
 

Pink Reaper

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Ice Fang hits all of 1 pokemon 4x effective, Salamence, who isn't much of a threat to a my team.

Jolly on TTar because I like out speeding Timid Latias and Starmie after a DD. In fact, should the need arise I can DD in Starmies face(assuming no Specs Hydro Pump)

Dragon Pulse is the better of the two moves, as with 350 Speed and 587 SpAtk it can actually late game sweep with it. Draco Meteor on the other hand I find myself hitting alot of things like Metagross and Skarmory early in meaning it's useless then and I can't exactly sweep with it so it's useless late game too.
 

c3gill

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Ice Fang hits all of 1 pokemon 4x effective, Salamence, who isn't much of a threat to a my team.

Gliscor(sp? its too late for this ****) just switched into your hippo. it laughed at a stone edge, and taunted your roar. it now gets a free rock polish/ swords dance, to pass to a sweeper on his team. point is it hits a lot more than just Mence. Flygon is another great example of a poke who laughs at the SE/ EQ combo, but gets ***** by Ice Fang.

Jolly on TTar because I like out speeding Timid Latias and Starmie after a DD. In fact, should the need arise I can DD in Starmies face(assuming no Specs Hydro Pump)

ok, but dont forget weavile still outspeeds and OHKOs :)

Dragon Pulse is the better of the two moves, as with 350 Speed and 587 SpAtk it can actually late game sweep with it. Draco Meteor on the other hand I find myself hitting alot of things like Metagross and Skarmory early in meaning it's useless then and I can't exactly sweep with it so it's useless late game too.

depends on your use of Latias. I assumed it was a hit-and-run whacker, only used to deal massive damage before you clean up with Mamo. if this is the case, you want Meteor. If you plan on sweeping, drop Meteor for Trick, so you can drop your specs on some toolbag Skarmory who expected to switch into a Pulse.
man im tired
(and "slightly" intoxicated)
sorry if what i said didnt make perfect sense. im going to sleep.
 

Pink Reaper

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Lol, gliscor can get off a free SD/Rock Polish anyways, it doesn't really fear Ice Fang from that huge lack of attack. Flygon is lol, I have never been worried about it ever because it does NOTHING to Hippo. I don't even have to fear CB Outrage as it can't ever hope to 2HKO. Also it doesn't really laugh in the face of Stone Edge as even resisted that **** has no defense, it's not about to take the hit well. And once again, the ability to really hurt pokemon like Zapdos and Gyarados while still hitting Salamence and Dragonite far outweigh the need to kill gliscor(besides, with ****ing sandveil it's a bit of a crap shoot anyways)

As for Latias, let's put it like this. Sometimes my opponent has Swampert/Infernape/Salamence and Machamp alive and kicking on their team, maybe with a bit of damage spread around. Sometimes I want to go for a quick, easy sweep, without worrying about ever even touching Mamoswine. Sometimes I want to dragon pulse and watch things die. So I do.
 

ss118

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Gyarados gives this team tremendous problems as you have nothing to save you after it gets a DD, which is pretty easy considering your lone water resist is Latias and it can force you to go to her or lose a pokemon. Latias itself will quickly get worn down by Waterfall, SS, and SR, which will quickly take its toll. Ice Fang/Bite variants are even worse for you, as after a DD it can literaly sweep your team with tremendous ease.
 

Pink Reaper

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Gyarados gives this team tremendous problems as you have nothing to save you after it gets a DD, which is pretty easy considering your lone water resist is Latias and it can force you to go to her or lose a pokemon. Latias itself will quickly get worn down by Waterfall, SS, and SR, which will quickly take its toll. Ice Fang/Bite variants are even worse for you, as after a DD it can literaly sweep your team with tremendous ease.
Took long enough for someone to say it >_>

Honestly, Gyarados could easily beat my entire team, but for the most part, they make the completely wrong choice by attempting to set up on my Bronzong, usually after it's done it's dirty work and is ready to explode. Still, more conservative Gyara's give me trouble(In a pinch I can roar it out with Hippowdon who isn't OHKO'd by a +1 Life Orb Waterfall) Metagross can usually survive most hits and OHKO it with Thunderpunch as less and less gyara's have been running EQ recently =\
 

highandmightyjoe

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So, I'm running a team with Tyranitar on it right now, and I was looking for some advice on his EVs, so I just have to ask, do the EVs you have listed for special defense let you survive something in particular, or is 110 in attack needed to kill something? Also, what does the attack on Hippowdon hit?

Sorry for not actually rating your team, but it looks solid.
 

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I would suggest a slightly bulkier Latias, as it is the glue holding the majority of the team together. Draco Meteor/Surf/Roost/Psycho Shift would work excelently for this team: I believe smogon has a specific spread for the use of it, but I'm sure you could specifically set it for use on your team.
 

Pink Reaper

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But I REALLY like Specs Latias T_T

If you haven't guessed, this team is a really old "Project: Sandstorm" team that I just updated a little. What I really need is another special attacker, but I can't bring myself to drop anything I've got. Suggestions?
 

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overrall this team isnt bad but it isnt good either, throw out it all out and start with a new team because this one is to predictable. i mean a lot of people know sandstorms teams are the **** and there going to find ways to **** with u. keep tyranitar and metagross becauses there EVs are all right. everyone else hit the road.
 

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overrall this team isnt bad but it isnt good either, throw out it all out and start with a new team because this one is to predictable. i mean a lot of people know sandstorms teams are the **** and there going to find ways to **** with u. keep tyranitar and metagross becauses there EVs are all right. everyone else hit the road.
pink reaper. listen to this guy.
 

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overrall this team isnt bad but it isnt good either, throw out it all out and start with a new team because this one is to predictable. i mean a lot of people know sandstorms teams are the **** and there going to find ways to **** with u. keep tyranitar and metagross becauses there EVs are all right. everyone else hit the road.
He has spoken.
 

Pink Reaper

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overrall this team isnt bad but it isnt good either, throw out it all out and start with a new team because this one is to predictable. i mean a lot of people know sandstorms teams are the **** and there going to find ways to **** with u. keep tyranitar and metagross becauses there EVs are all right. everyone else hit the road.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. Sorry about wasting your time guys, I'll try not to suck so hard next time.
 
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from what I've play tested, Modest works better on Latias, since after a SpA drop it can still net a KO fairly easily on Draco Meteor. I play the same set otherwise.

On the flip side, I use the same Mamoswine set as well, except I use Jolly. Very few people expect Mamosine to outspeed 280s, and from my experience it comes into play more often than expected. Thats to Articanus for this one though, it's his set except I put Superpower over Ice fang.

I use the same Hippo set with SR over SE. I figure it doesn't matter much, but Roar takes care of EQ immunities anyway. You already have a ground/rock attacker in Mamo.

For Agiligross, you could probably set the speed lower to only outspeed scarf timid Heatran and CB adamant dugtrio. I can't really see you needing more than that. I personally like Rock Polish, Iron Head, Substitute and Earthquake. It works...better than it should.

Bronzong looks good.

I also think you should try my Tyranitar set sometime. Yours is good as is, I can't see it living a CB U-turn.

Tyranitar @ Expert Belt
Brave, Sandstream
252 HP / 252 Att / 4 Def
0 speed IV
Crunch
Earthquake
Flamethrower
Ice Beam

edit: lol the pokemon that gays you the hardest is Kingdra. Cross your fingers during the Manaphy vote.
 

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Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. Sorry about wasting your time guys, I'll try not to suck so hard next time.
i forgive you :D
i still think that timid is better, because you really want to at least speed tie other latias. mow is stupid =D. (kidding, don't infract me, or i might get banned x_____X)
 
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thats a fairly uncommon situation. neither player wants to go for a speed tie, and it's not even a good revenge option since a -2 SpA DM will still an opposing latias. You'd have a better case citing +Spe base 100s.

Lately I'm noticing that players don't have enough nerve to challenge a set speed at the maximum. I've also been using Modest Jolten and Adamant Weavile for this reason. If the opposing players are getting worse, might as well abuse it.
 

Pink Reaper

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I was actually using modest for a while, but I started getting annoyed when I would get out sped by Max Speed salamence/Infernape. In the case of infernape I would rarely take a massive hit but it would usually be enough to get annoying, especially with Stealth Rocks up and Sandstorm going. IMO, unless your in the 115 speed range you can't NOT run max speed since there are alot of common pokemon in the 100-110 speed range that are very dangerous. Once you hit 120 or higher, unless you're leading, there's no reason to use max speed.
 

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Nice team. I think I'll try it out myself, see what works and what doesn't, and get back to you.

Personally, I find that Clefable is a very strong member of a sandstorm team, but in this case, I wouldn't know where to put it.

EDIT: One odd thing I note is that this team doesn't do anything with status conditions or stealth rock. Nothing wrong with that, but I'm surprised at how direct it is.
Of course I'm also surprised at the complete lack of light screen and reflect on smogon. Odd doesn't mean bad.

EDIT2: Your team is actually really awesome and effective. I'm sure I could suggest some marginal improvements, but it's simply well balanced, has a lot of good typing, and works.

The only thing I might consider changing is the Tyranitar. I actually like Tyranitar a lot personally, but it seems like there are very few pokemon that don't have super effective hits on it. However, if you get rid of it outright then you probably would need to put your Hippowdon first to guarentee the sandstorm benefit, and Bronzong is a good lead.
 
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