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Not a fan of FS's?

Viewtiful_Jeff

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Doubt it, considering it would be a race to get the Smash Ball. Tournaments can't handle the impromptu appearance of items.
Indeed, Smash Balls are made from pure Next-Genium (the famed chemical that makes PS3s cost way too much, produces Red Ring, and makes Nintendo's online infrastructure suck like a jet engine). With all the electrons and positrons produced by the hustle and bustle of a tournament, everything would EXPLODE IN A HORRIBLE FIERY EXPLOSION OF DEATH AND DESTRUCTION.

....all of my being an *** aside.

I have to agree that it's doubtful Smash Balls would be allowed in tournaments as they are. They're a special item, but still, they're an item. If they have set spawn points, then maybe, but that would lead to the problem of camping for it, I guess....
 

Ess oh Aytch

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Indeed, Smash Balls are made from pure Next-Genium (the famed chemical that makes PS3s cost way too much, produces Red Ring, and makes Nintendo's online infrastructure suck like a jet engine). With all the electrons and positrons produced by the hustle and bustle of a tournament, everything would EXPLODE IN A HORRIBLE FIERY EXPLOSION OF DEATH AND DESTRUCTION.

....all of my being an *** aside.

I have to agree that it's doubtful Smash Balls would be allowed in tournaments as they are. They're a special item, but still, they're an item. If they have set spawn points, then maybe, but that would lead to the problem of camping for it, I guess....
You weren't being an ***, you were being an utter moron. Items are set to spawn in random places, and players are NOT going to remember the exact spawn points and camp for the area. I would never attend a tournament if that was the case. It is very likely for a Smash Ball to fall from the sky right on top of you. Whether it has immediate effect, or you must pick it up, the result will be the same that the player near has the complete advantage.
 

Superstar

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God, what right have you to think this is illogical? What right do you have to have an opinion on smashbrothers that is fueled by a competitive mindset and liking for the previous game in the series.

You *******. With your own opinions which obviously by posting you are forcing upon the world, are RUINING the game for casual players.

Nevermind the fact that the casual players don't even attend tournaments or have an obligation to read your posts, YOU'RE AN ELITIST.



Skill is a glitch, you have no life, Aniki doesn't wavedash, and Ken is cheap.

What? someone had to do it.

In all seriousness it's good to have a few more intelligent posters like Ess Oh Aytch on the brawlboards. :)
:laugh::laugh::laugh: So hilarious man, so hilarious!!!

Skill is a glitch, you have no life, Aniki doesn't wavedash, and Ken is cheap.
SIGGY!!!! :psycho:

Also, I'm fine with FSes as long as you can turn them off and Zamus can be used using other methods.
 

Keige

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As long as Captain Falcon's FS isn't a Knee/Falcon Punch combo so strong it depletes two stocks automatically and most likely will take away a third. Hey wait, I would love that!
I'm for making them optional, but since they spawn like items, I won't be using them much.
 

ecstatic

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God, what right have you to think this is illogical? What right do you have to have an opinion on smashbrothers that is fueled by a competitive mindset and liking for the previous game in the series.

You *******. With your own opinions which obviously by posting you are forcing upon the world, are RUINING the game for casual players.

Nevermind the fact that the casual players don't even attend tournaments or have an obligation to read your posts, YOU'RE AN ELITIST.



Skill is a glitch, you have no life, Aniki doesn't wavedash, and Ken is cheap.

What? someone had to do it.

In all seriousness it's good to have a few more intelligent posters like Ess Oh Aytch on the brawlboards. :)
Dylan, if you aren't already, you could probably be a successful satirist if you wanted to be.

Anyways, I'd have to agree with both you and SOH. Right now, FSs look like, as Sakurai puts it, "The basic gist of it? I suppose you could say it’s kind of like a powerful and personalized hammer." If specific items were banned in competitive melee, I doubt anyone would argue that items would be turned off.
The only way I could think of FSs being in competitive play would be them being a lot weaker than the site makes them seem, except when used strategically. e.g. Link's does 30% damage, but has next to no knockback. In this sense, it'd be pretty pointless when your opponent was already at 90%, but if you waited to use it until right after you kill that stock, you could use it to help get your opponent up to medium % and then follow up with a combo because of the low knockback.
Not great, but a possibility. I still hope that Final Smashes are turned off in tourneys, though.

Also, I hope and think that ZSS will be able to be played without using an FS. Why would they go through the trouble of making a a wholely unique character if she's only useable after a very specific mid-battle event? It seems way to underused to be plausible.
 

Xanderous

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Yellow Mage is an elitist ******* with no sense of humor.

Unfortunately, I think ZSS will be only available through Samus's FS because at this point I think the developers have no ****in' idea what they're doing.
 

Viewtiful_Jeff

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Why is everyone crying about ZS not being a pure character? Is it because everyone wants to use a girl in latex?

Seriously, its only one character. Get over it! They'll be like, 40 others!

Besides Zero is extremely weak in her games
....

But they won't be in latex.
 

Xanderous

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Why is everyone crying about ZS not being a pure character? Is it because everyone wants to use a girl in latex?

Seriously, its only one character. Get over it! They'll be like, 40 others!

Besides Zero is extremely weak in her games
It's just ****ing stupid to have a character you can't play all the time.
 

Stone.Tower

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See, Zero Suit Samus can't be a charactor on her own, because then there's no way that she can use her Final Smash, because the only way to play as her is through a Final Smash!

"But, Yellow Mage, that's circular reasoning!" No, it's common sense, aimed at those who follow the "No Items" rule devoutly. I think this is a very clear statement from Sakurai that says "Okay, you can turn off items if you want. Just don't expect to be able to play as Zero Suit Samus."


And, finally, South Park sucks. Even worse than Family Guy, might I add.

Who says that ZSS can't have a final smash of her own? I mean, her page is like nothingness now, there's still room.

And I agree with the South Park thing.
 

sexysanta73

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Yeah; this ZSS buisiness totally ruined what could've been a great character. Even if they give you access to her similar to how they did with sheik, Sakurai's made her out to be like some horribly weak cripple character. Too freaking bad, really.
 

Viewtiful_Jeff

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Yeah; this ZSS buisiness totally ruined what could've been a great character. Even if they give you access to her similar to how they did with sheik, Sakurai's made her out to be like some horribly weak cripple character. Too freaking bad, really.
Um, wut.

All he said was that she lost power in exchange for speed and now uses her paralyzer.

Tell me where that translates to 'horribly weak cripple character'.
 

Yellow Mage

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So I guess that it makes sense that Sakurai creates an entire character with a functioning moveset only to cator to those who play with items.Sakurai acknowledges the fact that not everyone plays in the same manner. This, itself is one of the reasons why Smash Bros. is great ; it adds variety.

Sakurai is creating the game with everyone in mind. Something like this would tarnish Smash Bros.



You're such a douche Yellow Mage.

So it's saying "You can but the game, just don't expect to enjoy it the way you want to"

Your logical theories are nothing but evidence showing that Sakurai is biased towards a specific audience. Well guess what, he isn't. Smash Bros. was not created to play in a specific manner such as other games. People assume that it should be played with items just because of a marketting demographic.

The last thing Sakurai wants is to exclude any community and cator towards another. This game is for everyone, and those who choose to play outside of the demographic shouldn't have to suffer.

You may think your smart and logical, but you're just biased.
Oh, donde empezar . . .

I guess I'll start with you accusing me of being biased is like the pot calling the snow black. I enjoy no-item fights of pure skill as much as the next guy; I can't stand it when my only opposition around here refuses to fight me unless it's a 2-on-1 Items abound slaughterfest.

That said, I'm probably the least biased one here when it comes to the issue on items. This is opposed to nearly everybody else on this thread, who, like you, are biased towards strict no-item fight policies. You all, in your state of panic, try to cling on to the slightest possibility of hope that you'll have instantanious access towards an obviously Shiek-like charactor in Brawl, because we all also know that Zelda maintaining the whole Shiek facade in Brawl has a chance equivalent to a snowball's in Hell.

I, though, maintain a sense of openness in the whole issue, and can logically say that the easiest, and most obvious, approach to see all this is that Sakurai is making Samus lose her Power Suit only within the case of a Zero Laser Final Smash.

You say that my arguements are only "proof Sakurai is biased towards a specific audience," but, as with everything else in your post, you have it backwards. Making Zero Suit Samus somehow available through anything other than a Final Smash would show not only a complete disregard towards everything said about ZSS thus far, but also a blatant bias towards to tournament community, which will be a mistake anyways, as that group will inevitably get smaller with Brawl's fray into the Online venues.

Not having a Shiek-like charactor isn't exactly the premise of "not being able to enjoy the game," nonetheless. In fact, any charactor getting the axe isn't going to be a big deal. Smash will sell. People will enjoy. Some people may not get to play as Zero Suit Samus. Big deal, they'll have about 40 other charactors to choose from, including Samus herself, anyways.

As you said Sakurai said: he's creating the game with everybody in mind. That means that it isn't only for people interested in tournament play.





Also . . .

You have no taste in comedy. What are you? Omish?
1. It's spelled "Amish."

2. No.

3. Your praise of South Park shows that it is you who lack any real "taste" in humor.
 

Psychoace

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i don't like DK's final smash
Holy crap someone stayed on topic. Anyway, Yeah I'm not to found of his either, I mean it's a pretty original concept but at the same time you have to put work into. I'm not saying that to be lazy it just doesn't look that way for the others.

A theory I have about ZSS though is that she can change back and forth between the two just when she uses her fianl smash she can't change back into Samus.
 

maxpower1227

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Off topic, but anyone who does not acknowledge South Park's brilliance is either A) 14 years old or younger, or B) completely uncultured and devoid of a sense of humor.
 

Yellow Mage

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A theory I have about ZSS though is that she can change back and forth between the two just when she uses her fianl smash she can't change back into Samus.
Off topic, but anyone who acknowledges South Park's brilliance is either A) 14 years old or younger, or B) completely uncultured and devoid of a sense of humor.
 

maxpower1227

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1) Donkey Kong's FS looks good. And regardless, his hilarious taunt and his donkey punch giant punch make him a worthy fighter.

2) Futurama is HILARIOUS, but so is South Park. Futurama edges it out slightly imo.

Seriously. I used to hate South Park too... until I actually started watching it. It's an incredibly intelligent show, and Trey and Matt's political views are dead on on just about every single issue.
 

Rikka

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Competitive level play dominates most online games, I fail to see how Smash will be different.
 

Psychoace

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1) Donkey Kong's FS looks good. And regardless, his hilarious taunt and his donkey punch giant punch make him a worthy fighter.

2) Futurama is HILARIOUS, but so is South Park. Futurama edges it out slightly imo.

Seriously. I used to hate South Park too... until I actually started watching it. It's an incredibly intelligent show, and Trey and Matt's political views are dead on on just about every single issue.
With such a name I would have figured you for a simpsons fan.
 

maxpower1227

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You probably just have to press a button in rhythm with the music, like the Yoshi race in SMRPG.
 

THK

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Ah the same old arguments and debates never end do they? Onoes items, onoes Zero Suit Samus, onoes tournament legality. You realize if containers don't explode items may be allowed in tournaments right?

In any case, I have no problem with Final Smashes. I don't see them as an "I win" button, and I never will. They're just super moves as far as I'm concerned (with the exception of a boss like character having an over powered one of their own).

Some folks say it'll be fine if they always appeared in the same spots at the same time, but I don't like that idea. Why? Like previously mentioned it causes camping. Of course other wise it's random and can turn the favor. Then people have something to blame.

But I really don't see the difference between that and losing your momentum and your opponent making a comeback. Or you suddenly start to screw up.

Skill is arguable really. Items are skill less? I doubt it, with the exception of a select few that should be turned off anyway, items take skill to use effectively and to avoid properly.


In any case, I like FS's, but I wouldn't have cared if they didn't exist.

As for Zero Suit Samus, I'm sure they'll be an alternate way to play as her. If not oh well, I don't play as Samus nor do I plan to anyway.

And DK's FS is balls imo.

lol what I posted, SoH, is just the response I always get trying to use such forbidden concepts as ''logic'' and ''examples from the game iteself''

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Dylan_Tnga

This is basically what I have to show for my efforts trying to educate the scrubs / newbies of the brawlboards. Take a look, it's quite funny.

Good luck, you'll need it.
Wow. You've made it to encyclopedia dramatica. You're famous dude. However, this makes you a target and this'll cause uneeded trolling on the boards. :/

Ah well.
 

Limey

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I'm pretty sure that once you use Samus' final smash and transform into ZSS, that's it for the match, no going back. Think about it, her suit has been destroyed.

On the other hand, i think that Sakurai has made waaay too much of a big deal of ZSS to have that as the only way of playing as her. Like other people have said, there's probably going to be a button to hold down on the character select screen to start off as her.

It is a bit dissapointing for Samus players that if you don't want to play as ZSS you'll have to avoid the final smash altogether, but i'm sure people will adapt.
 

EggBomb

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I actually kind of like the idea of Samus new FS. It forces the character to play as both Sami (= Samus plural), rather then one being played more then the other like Sheik over Zelda.

I'm sure you'll be able to start as ZSS, but her FS probably involves putting the suit back on.
 

sexysanta73

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Um, wut.

All he said was that she lost power in exchange for speed and now uses her paralyzer.

Tell me where that translates to 'horribly weak cripple character'.
It's a penalty for using the final smash, not a reward. "Samus has a problem. She's just Zero Suit Samus now." But oh wait, that's a good thing, right, she's fast now? Why hello there, new gen Pichu GG.
 
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