"No Swagger Like Us" - a Pit tournament results thread(updated 1/24/12)

[dskank]

or u could just go all pit...

 

[Damix91]

Marth: Mk isn't even. Falco: MK is. Besides that matchup Pit can deal with everyone else important. He covers Olimar well and Wario fine as well. I'd rather go even with MK which are abundant and have to go Pit against gaw which are extremely rare rather than lose to Mk just to beat Gaw.

 

[Kuro~]

or u could just go all pit...

Marth: Mk isn't even. Falco: MK is. Besides that matchup Pit can deal with everyone else important. He covers Olimar well and Wario fine as well. I'd rather go even with MK which are abundant and have to go Pit against gaw which are extremely rare rather than lose to Mk just to beat Gaw.

Lol okay enjoy thinking that way. You act like its gonna be any easier with falco. and what dskank said...learn the mu with pit first and rely on ur back up if u have to...then again its not my place to tell any1 what to do..just sayin what i think. either character works for a sub...just choose who u have more fun with is all i was sayin.

 

[Damix91]

I go all Pit. I was just explaining my view. I'm not angry if you thought that though. I think Mk is dealt with best by characters with really strong ground/anti-air approaches. I think that's why Falco,Diddy and Olimar deal with Mk OK because they abuse his poor horizontal aerial speed. But honestly I think players are actually just better playing which ever character's playstyle they are more suited to.

 

[Kuro~]

I go all Pit. I was just explaining my view. I'm not angry if you thought that though. I think Mk is dealt with best by characters with really strong ground/anti-air approaches. I think that's why Falco,Diddy and Olimar deal with Mk OK because they abuse his poor horizontal aerial speed. But honestly I think players are actually just better playing which ever character's playstyle they are more suited to.

Naw i knew u werent. Just a discussion is all this is lol. And i get what ur sayin they zone mk well. I just dont think marth is too far behind falco. Diddy yes. Olimar...possibly. But falco...meh they deal with him close to same imo. marth kills easier than a falco will which helps. Personally falco would fit most pit players cuz hes basically a grounded version of Pit with a better chain grab

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

Picking up a top tier character just to deal with other top tiers is kind of overshadowing Pit which I think is counterproductive to what we're trying to achieve here guys.

 

[Seagull Joe]

Who does Pit honestly lose to other then GaW, Snake, and Mk? Why does he lose to Falco?

I use Wolf. His main bad matchups are Wario, Pikachu, and D3. Every other matchup is either 45-55, even or Wolf's favor.

My options:

Diddy: He beats D3 and Pikachu, but is evenish with Wario.

Marth: He covers Wario and Pika, but his worst matchup in the game is D3 so that doesn't work.

Falco: He covers Wario and D3, but his worst matchup in the game is Pikachu so that doesn't work.

Snake: He covers Wario, but he is even with Pikachu and loses to D3.

Ice climbers: They're one of the best answers, but I don't want to use them because they're too much work and getting camped all the time is annoying.

Rob: He beats Pikachu and is evenish with Wario, but his worst matchup in the game is D3.

Mk: He beats everyone. Pikachu is the hardest out of the three to beat, but he still wins the matchup.

Ultimately it comes down to being able to beat D3 since he is the hardest out of the 3 to overcome. So I use Mk as an alt. Generally I still go Wolf vs Wario though. I am also trying to go Wolf vs Pikachu as of lately.

Wolf vs D3 is the worst matchup I can play and I will never use Wolf for it. So yea...Pit's should just pick Diddy or Mk probably.

Edit: Forgot one more option, which is Olimar. I might pick up Olimar since he is the character that is probably almost as good as Mk when it comes to the choices of the characters I'm trying to beat matchup-wise. Him, Diddy, and Mk. Yeaaaa.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

pit doesn't lose to snake. it is a 50:50 match up and the only time it is in one or the other's favor is on counter picks.

pit loses hard only to g&w and olimar (i would say 65:35-60:40), and then his semi-hards are MK and wario at 55:45-60:40. i used to think MK was 65:35-60:40 however thru testing, study, and practicing keeping fsmash fresh i have learned that it is possible for pit to play 45:55 with MK especially on counter picks.(krystedez and kuro: thanks for originally telling me how to play mk. thanks to ur guys's advice/vids/strategy i go 45:55 with mks all the time now!!! )

pit loses to falco by 45:55 because falco's chaingrab on pit has mor damag-ing follow ups at the end do to pits weight, falco has more grab range, his jab makes it hard to space with general pit spacing, plus his reflector is a real pain for pit to deal with on the edge.

also if you are looking for a second with wolf that is not MK i would suggest marth. and MK is marth's worst mu at 60:40 not D3. marth goes at worst (imo as don't forget he is my co-main) 45:55 D3 and a lot of people believe it is 50:50. so it's not like D3 straight up owns marth you just have to adjust more to play DDD than you do a lot of peeps. however marth is no easy char to use if you can't handle the patience that is required of marths. but he is a bad *** if you use him correctly and will not fail you as second to your wolf.

however this the tourney discussion thread, ask this in the MU thread or pm me if you wanna talk either wolf or pit mus and seconds as im experianced in study-ing both chars mus (my friend pulse131 mains are link, falco, and wolf. mine are pit, marth, and ROB. so im down to talk a bunch of crazy mus and such.)

 

[Seagull Joe]

Yea, I know Pulse. He is my favorite Link main and I have him added on Skype. Go to the Marth boards and say what you think of the D3 matchup. They'll laugh.

And I'm not looking for another secondary. I like using Mk. I use Sheik for Fox. I cp cause I'm an ***.

 

[Nitrix]

Who does Pit honestly lose to other then GaW, Snake, and Mk? Why does he lose to Falco?

I use Wolf. His main bad matchups are Wario, Pikachu, and D3. Every other matchup is either 45-55, even or Wolf's favor.

My options:

Diddy: He beats D3 and Pikachu, but is evenish with Wario.

Marth: He covers Wario and Pika, but his worst matchup in the game is D3 so that doesn't work.

Falco: He covers Wario and D3, but his worst matchup in the game is Pikachu so that doesn't work.

Snake: He covers Wario, but he is even with Pikachu and loses to D3.

Ice climbers: They're one of the best answers, but I don't want to use them because they're too much work and getting camped all the time is annoying.

Rob: He beats Pikachu and is evenish with Wario, but his worst matchup in the game is D3.

Mk: He beats everyone. Pikachu is the hardest out of the three to beat, but he still wins the matchup.

Ultimately it comes down to being able to beat D3 since he is the hardest out of the 3 to overcome. So I use Mk as an alt. Generally I still go Wolf vs Wario though. I am also trying to go Wolf vs Pikachu as of lately.

Wolf vs D3 is the worst matchup I can play and I will never use Wolf for it. So yea...Pit's should just pick Diddy or Mk probably.

Edit: Forgot one more option, which is Olimar. I might pick up Olimar since he is the character that is probably almost as good as Mk when it comes to the choices of the characters I'm trying to beat matchup-wise. Him, Diddy, and Mk. Yeaaaa.

As far as I'm concerned Pit loses to MK, G&W and Olimar.

Pit doesn't lose to Snake, I feel it is a fairly even matchup. To me, Pit vs Falco is 50:50 to 45:55 Falco, just because the Lazer and Chaingrab can overwhelm Pit at times.

I have Diddy as one of my secondaries and you're right it does work pretty well.

 

[Krystedez]

MK, GW, Wario, and possibly Marth are difficult matchups for Pit. three of those four are decently common in today's metagame (especially MK). GW not so much.

I believe Pits should second Wario, Falco, MK, IC's, or Olimar perhaps. My personal favorites are Wario and Olimar. Wario comes close to MK, can contend with Marth but not much, Wario dittos are just whether you've played it enough like M2K or something, and GW is hard to deal with in general, but Wario can combo up GW and get kill moves well in the air...

Olimar is great for all four, no joke, just has problems with Marth and MK I guess.

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

If I were to pick up a third character for tourney it would most likely be Diddy for G&W and I can just learn the mu against Marth. Pikachu is good enough for wario and mk imo.

Also:

As far as I'm concerned Pit loses to MK, G&W and Olimar

pit loses hard only to g&w and olimar (i would say 65:35-60:40)

What makes you think we lose to olimar? Like we outprioritize him so much and he's super gimp bait. Anyone have decent experience enough to elaborate?

 

[Pitzer]

Derp. Lurking mode

 

[Nitrix]

For me, Olimar is just a case of "How do I handle him onstage". I really don't know how. Usually I just go diddy

 

[Kuro~]

The only matchup i hate with Pit is wario . I've learned (and am learning) every other bad mu with him. Marth is not to hard. Mk a bit more so especially at higher levels where the pressure the mk knows how to apply is high. Olimar is gimp bait albeit still interesting to learn... Gaw is interesting but easily doable. Falco as well.

 

[Pitzer]

Falco is Not hard tbh. Im adjusting to G&W and MK, Im just having problems with Wario and Luacrio

 

[Blubolouis]

stop talking about that in the tournament results thread guys x3
/party pooper

I have a tourney coming next saturday, we'll see what my pit can do (not much)

 

[Pitzer]

Good luck I had one today came in first 3-0'd an Mk in GF

 

[Krystedez]

Good !@#$ PTZR!!

I don't feel so bad losing to you in Pit Dittos now XD j/k, you're still gunna get what's coming to you later.

 

[Kuro~]

I can handle aggro wario's like glutonny's and such. It's the campy ones like M@$ky and F!KT!0N

get @ my namesearch avoidal skills bro ;D

 

[CHOMPY]

13/28 @ Cyber Arena- Evolution of Life II 2-5-11

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=297100


Sigh... I need to get better with Pit as well as getting use to playing on the 8 inch TV box, lol

 

[Gadiel_VaStar]

Good luck I had one today came in first 3-0'd an Mk in GF

Updating right now; give me the details please!

 

[Pitzer]

Uh Arcadia Event Feb 6th? It was on a Sunday about like 16 people

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

proofs or it didn't happen

 

[Xcallion]

proofs or it didn't happen

I second this^

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

49th of 151 @ Pound V singles bracket

9th of 44 @ Pound V singles amateur bracket

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298137


Highest placing Pit at a national is 49th.....we need to step it up guys...

I did alright in the amateur bracket I suppose, I should have beat llod game 3 since he's really only super good on wifi. He got lucky on rainbow cruise and then on pictochat which was really the stage's fault because it worked out for him more than it usually does for me. I also haven't gotten the peach matchup down because I played razmataz as well and he knew how to work me over. If I had the peach matchup down I probably would have beaten poyo because I did okay against sync once I knew what do game 3 (I think that set was recorded) and poyo said sync 2-0'd him.

/salt

I'm bad at this game.

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

no ur not. ive seen some of ur vids. u just are like most people who don't have time to play this 24/7 like a lot of those ranked peeps nor do play the ranked peeps regularly. skill lvl only increases when u play those of greater skill unitil u become >them u dig?

 

[Abel1994]

I took all the pits swagger :o

 

[BlaizeRaz0r]

Attending DNA 14 tomorrow. Hoping to do well!

 

[Maharba the Mystic]

i have total faith that you will win

 

[Xcallion]

May the wind be with your wings, the spam be with your arrows and the sweetspot with your bair. Good luck.

 

[Esca]

49th of 151 @ Pound V singles bracket

9th of 44 @ Pound V singles amateur bracket

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298137


Highest placing Pit at a national is 49th.....we need to step it up guys...

I've placed 25th and 17th at BOTH whobos.

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

Didn't mean it like that. But you should've come to Pound then!

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

13th out of 33 MD/VA vs the World

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298914

Experimented with all Pit, learned I need my pet squirrel for some matchups.

 

[Kuro~]

13th out of 33 MD/VA vs the World

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=298914

Experimented with all Pit, learned I need my pet squirrel for some matchups.

Teehee only mu's u dont know yet. But ya i do that with snake since i have alot more exp with him. After my 6 month pit training im gonna bust out falco and try him in tourney for a while.

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

I'm talking about a matchup that I DO know. I still lost though so I NEED to go pikachu for that one.

 

[Kuro~]

I'm talking about a matchup that I DO know. I still lost though so I NEED to go pikachu for that one.

My point was, all it means is you have to work on it. You can lose mu's u know *knowledge wise* the fact that whoever it is keeps coming out on top just means ur not realizn what your're doing wrong. Im all for using other chars go ahead. But just dont say you HAVE to cuz u dont. Everything is learnable

 

[Pitzer]

Everything is learnable to a sense. <_< I'd rather use 2ndary's vs match up's I know I struggle with.

 

[Esca]

What you do is figure out the way the actual person plays, their habits, and downfalls. Then you appropriate a character that can punish what you see most from their gameplay. It's alot more about the opponents mindset/playstyle when I CP.

 

[Luckay4Lyphe]

I'd rather take the easier route. I'm not a solo Pit, I main pikachu as well and have used pikachu since 64. If I conveniently use a character that I can perform significantly better against a certain character then the obvious decision is to use that character and increase my chances of winning/having a better time.