No more unlockable characters?

[TheMagicalKuja]

I feel like event mode and the challenges to get stages, trophies, and music is more than enough to make up for lack of unlockable characters. Plus I feel like Event Mode covers the "characters I'd normally wouldn't touch".

 

[dimensionsword64]

I want no unlockable characters, but it's most likely not going to happen.

 

[Morbi]

Hopefully we still get unlock-able characters, that is half of the fun in my opinion. It isn't like Sakurai is completely and utterly catering to the hard-core community. So I doubt anything will change.

 

[Zink Imp]

I thought unlocking characters were fun.
I kind of hope they do it again, but I won't be entirely disappointed if they don't.

 

[majorasmaskfan]

stages and characters should not be unlock able give it too me from the start. Locking characters and stages away is one thing that should be kept in the past.

And yet Sonic and Solid Snake were unlockables in Brawl, despite being advertised on the game's box art.

Anyway, I find it more rewarding if you have to work to unlock the characters that you wish to use. I mean, things can turn very boring when everything is available to you right off the bat, and it basically destroys the purpose of having a single player mode as well.

in injustice the story mode was worth playing for being well written and helping you learn how to play the game and all of the characters and stages where available from the start, things like alt skins where unlock able though(though there are no cut scenes in smash 4's singe play so my argument i guess doesn't really work)

 

[mimgrim]

I find unlocking characters to be nothing but false replay value or padding. It's tedious and pointless.

I'll take all of my characters unlocked from the start, thank you.

Basically this.

The only good thing about SSE was that it made unlocking characters easier and go by way faster. That's it. Thanks to it I was able to have all characters unlocked in a single day. Still tedious as hell though due to the nature of SSE. But at least I was able to get all characters day 1.

I just never saw the appeal of unlockable characters in a fighting game. Characters are extremely important to a person's play style and disabling a person's play style at the beginning should be a big no-no

 

[LunchPolice]

It's also worth mentioning that it's super annoying to take your copy of Brawl to a friend's place and then realise you've only got the starting cast. Ugh.

 

[lordvaati]

Guys, this is Sakurai we're talking about.
Guy has put unlockables in every game he has made since Super Star.
One of the things that made Smash Bros. Popular in the first place was all the crazy crap you can unlock.
Hell even modern Mario games still do unlockable characters like Rosalina.
It is very doubtful that there will be no hidden characters. This isn't Super Street Fighter 4.

 

[Morbi]

Guys, this is Sakurai we're talking about.
Guy has put unlockables in every game he has made since Super Star.
One of the things that made Smash Bros. Popular in the first place was all the crazy crap you can unlock.
Hell even modern Mario games still do unlockable characters.
It is very doubtful that there will be no hidden characters. This isn't Super Street Fighter 4.

Exactly. Unlock-able characters are a huge part of the series. It doesn't really matter if it inconveniences some people, it didn't ever stop Sakurai before, and it certainly wont currently.

 

[LunchPolice]

Oh, I very much doubt the new game won't have unlockable characters. I'm just arguing that no unlockable characters is a better idea.

 

[Morbi]

Oh, I very much doubt the new game won't have unlockable characters. I'm just arguing that no unlockable characters is a better idea.

I wish unlock-able characters were optional. For instance, in the options, there is an option to disable unlock-able characters and stages for those who find it inconvenient. However, players such as myself, could simply ignore the option and earn them as we see fit. Best of both worlds. It was probably already mentioned in this thread, but I didn't read the entire thing.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

Exactly. Unlock-able characters are a huge part of the series. It doesn't really matter if it inconveniences some people, it didn't ever stop Sakurai before, and it certainly wont currently.

The fact that he possibly thinks that it doesn't matter if it inconveniences people isn't something to praise, you know.

Basically this.

The only good thing about SSE was that it made unlocking characters easier and go by way faster. That's it. Thanks to it I was able to have all characters unlocked in a single day. Still tedious as hell though due to the nature of SSE. But at least I was able to get all characters day 1.

I just never saw the appeal of unlockable characters in a fighting game. Characters are extremely important to a person's play style and disabling a person's play style at the beginning should be a big no-no

Pretty much the entirety of this.

If anything is going to be an unlockable, I'd prefer it to be alternate costumes for everyone, honestly.

 

[C3CC]

I'm sorry, but I just hate the argument of "I already paid 60 bucks for the game, give it all to me already". I mean, what?! It's not like you're going to have to pay any extra money to get the characters. This is not Activision or EA we're talking about. You ARE getting the characters for the 60 bucks you're giving, you just have to work for them. I can understand people who say that they want to practice with their main right away, but I can't think of any adjective to qualify the argument of the 60 bucks aside from 'stupid', and my most sincere apologies to everyone who thinks that way. It is not my intention to offend you, but I just think it's ridiculous .______.

Besides, some people make having to use another character while they unlock their main sound bad. That's great, actually. It gives you more options to play as. I never understood people who stuck to just a single character in a 35+ character cast. It's good to have at least 3 mains, because some characters are great at fighting some others, but they suck at some others too.

 

[Trigger123]

I'm sorry, but I just hate the argument of "I already paid 60 bucks for the game, give it all to me already". I mean, what?! It's not like you're going to have to pay any extra money to get the characters. This is not Activision or EA we're talking about. You ARE getting the characters for the 60 bucks you're giving, you just have to work for them. I can understand people who say that they want to practice with their main right away, but I can't think of any adjective to qualify the argument of the 60 bucks aside from 'stupid', and my most sincere apologies to everyone who thinks that way. It is not my intention to offend you, but I just think it's ridiculous .______.

Besides, some people make having to use another character while they unlock their main sound bad. That's great, actually. It gives you more options to play as. I never understood people who stuck to just a single character in a 35+ character cast. It's good to have at least 3 mains, because some characters are great at fighting some others, but they suck at some others too.

Yes I know like your getting the characters no matter what deal with it. I hope unlockables are like in melee. Fun, challenging, and time consuming.

 

[mimgrim]

I'm sorry, but I just hate the argument of "I already paid 60 bucks for the game, give it all to me already". I mean, what?! It's not like you're going to have to pay any extra money to get the characters. This is not Activision or EA we're talking about. You ARE getting the characters for the 60 bucks you're giving, you just have to work for them. I can understand people who say that they want to practice with their main right away, but I can't think of any adjective to qualify the argument of the 60 bucks aside from 'stupid', and my most sincere apologies to everyone who thinks that way. It is not my intention to offend you, but I just think it's ridiculous .______.

Besides, some people make having to use another character while they unlock their main sound bad. That's great, actually. It gives you more options to play as. I never understood people who stuck to just a single character in a 35+ character cast. It's good to have at least 3 mains, because some characters are great at fighting some others, but they suck at some others too.

And I find it ridiculous that you think it is ridiculous.

People who like to unlock things and 100% games have tons of other crap to unlock then just characters. You have trophies, music, stickers, other crap I can't think of. Heck stages are even fine. There's also the potential for things like Alt costumes to become unlockable. But forcing people to use a character they don't like just to unlock something? No. Actually let me rephrase that, H to the E to the double L no.

You don't understand why people only stick to 1 character? Perhaps that's the only character they like, or they have the common sense that the more characters you play the worse off you becom because you don't excel at a single character, or any other plethora of reasons people can come up with.

Also I feel the need to point out that saying no offense, which is basically what you said just fancier, doesn't make it any less offensive.

 

[LunchPolice]

Besides, some people make having to use another character while they unlock their main sound bad. That's great, actually. It gives you more options to play as. I never understood people who stuck to just a single character in a 35+ character cast. It's good to have at least 3 mains, because some characters are great at fighting some others, but they suck at some others too.

Having multiple mains is a good idea, but... how is that more practical when you start with less characters? If you start with everybody then you immediately get the chance to try whoever you want and find the couple that click with you. Also, I often play Smash Bros with friends who don't own the game themselves, meaning it might not be practical for them to learn other characters and still close the skill gap between them and a veteran player like me.

 

[C3CC]

And I find it ridiculous that you think it is ridiculous.

People who like to unlock things and 100% games have tons of other crap to unlock then just characters. You have trophies, music, stickers, other crap I can't think of. Heck stages are even fine. There's also the potential for things like Alt costumes to become unlockable. But forcing people to use a character they don't like just to unlock something? No. Actually let me rephrase that, H to the E to the double L no.

You don't understand why people only stick to 1 character? Perhaps that's the only character they like, or they have the common sense that the more characters you play the worse off you becom because you don't excel at a single character, or any other plethora of reasons people can come up with.

Also I feel the need to point out that saying no offense, which is basically what you said just fancier, doesn't make it any less offensive.

I don't think you got my point. I completely understand how people feel about not wanting unlockable characters; I'm fine with that and while I don't share it, I respect it. What I think it's ridiculous is their argument of "I want it all right away because I paid a lot of money for it". Like I said, you ARE getting everything for your 60 bucks, you just have to work for it. They're not asking you for any extra money to be able to play as your favorite character. Now THAT would be despicable.

Edit: By the way, I just realized you and I share our Smash 64 and Melee mains, hahaha.

 

[mimgrim]

I don't think you got my point. I completely understand how people feel about not wanting unlockable characters; I'm fine with that and while I don't share it, I respect it. What I think it's ridiculous is their argument of "I want it all right away because I paid a lot of money for it". Like I said, you ARE getting everything for your 60 bucks, you just have to work for it. They're not asking you for any extra money to be able to play as your favorite character. Now THAT would be despicable.

While I think the money argument is flimsy due to the nature of games.

They still have a fair point. 60 bucks isn't cheap in this day and age and it isn't exactly fair that they are required to do work they may find tedious and/or boring when they did pay 60 bucks for it. It may be on the flimsy side of the argument spectrum, it has a fair point nonetheless.

 

[C3CC]

While I think the money argument is flimsy due to the nature of games.

They still have a fair point. 60 bucks isn't cheap in this day and age and it isn't exactly fair that they are required to do work they may find tedious and/or boring when they did pay 60 bucks for it. It may be on the flimsy side of the argument spectrum, it has a fair point nonetheless.

Personally, I think those who have trouble with that (still referring to the 60 bucks argument) should just deal with it. That's like saying "I want to buy Call of Duty because I like the cutscenes, but it's so annoying having to beat the game to unlock them". It's just part of the game. If they don't like it, they might as well just turn their backs on the game and look for something that offers them exactly what they want (which is hard nowadays, since many companies do charge an extra fee to unlock special features).

 

[lordvaati]

Yo, Super Mario Universe is 60 bucks, so to justify your purchase all stages, endings, and Luigi are already available for you.

 

[C3CC]

Yo, Super Mario Universe is 60 bucks, so to justify your purchase all stages, endings, and Luigi are already available for you.

Pretty much my point. Isn't that, like, what people are paying for? To discover all things? Smash is not only meant to be played competitively; there's also a single player mode that has to be taken into account. For people who have no one to play with, what's the point of having everything right away? I mean, what do they do with the game? Just play against the CPU? =/

 

[LunchPolice]

Despite what I've said already I do really enjoy unlocking characters, it does feel good.. I think my ideal solution would be to have unlockable characters that are fairly easy and/or non-time-consuming to unlock. Best of both worlds. Save the real challenges for stages and trophies because I think there's only so long you should keep people from their basic methods of play.

 

[mimgrim]

Personally, I think those who have trouble with that (still referring to the 60 bucks argument) should just deal with it. That's like saying "I want to buy Call of Duty because I like the cutscenes, but it's so annoying having to beat the game to unlock them". It's just part of the game. If they don't like it, they might as well just turn their backs on the game and look for something that offers them exactly what they want (which is hard nowadays, since many companies do charge an extra fee to unlock special features).

That's not exactly the best comparison. Characters in a fighting game are 100x more important then cutscenes in CoD, as the characters can affect gameplay and playstyle whereas cutscenes can't.

Yo, Super Mario Universe is 60 bucks, so to justify your purchase all stages, endings, and Luigi are already available for you.

Again, not a good comparison. SMU is a 3D platform so it stand to reason all character are similar in most ways with just a few differences here and there. Being a part of the genre it is, it will of course be different from a fighting game.

Pretty much my point. Isn't that, like, what people are paying for? To discover all things? Smash is not only meant to be played competitively; there's also a single player mode that has to be taken into account. For people who have no one to play with, what's the point of having everything right away? I mean, what do they do with the game? Just play against the CPU? =/

Hey, we aren't asking for everything to be given to us at the start. Mainly jsut the characters because of how they affect gameplay and playstyle. Someone like that still has all that other crap-ton of to unlock. And besides, what is there for them to do after they unlock everything anyway?

Smash is at heart a multiplayer game, thus it should be treated accordingly.

 

[soviet prince]

yes there i other things to unlock but I think it's more fun to unlock a character then just a simple trophy

 

[Sonicthesneak]

I wouldn't mind unlocking characters in Smash 4. It's kind of what you do in a Smash game you know? Like... most modern RPG's have taken out Random Encounters. But Pokemon still has them.

I am WELL AWARE of the trend of the unlocking a roster dying out... but if it makes sense for any game to keep that trend, it'd be Smash Bros. It's so different then Tekken or Street Fighter where you'll want to jump in, grab your main and start tech-rolling.

If we have everyone unlocked from the start... I wouldn't mind. But I don't know if Nintendo will jump up and get with the times. If they did though, I wouldn't shed a tear.

 

[Homelessvagrant]

I've been thinking about this more lately. The fact that we have two smash bros game coming out around the same time with the same characters makes me think that having unlockable characters just aren't in the best interest this time around.

 

[majorasmaskfan]

Yo, Super Mario Universe is 60 bucks, so to justify your purchase all stages, endings, and Luigi are already available for you.

A Competitive fighting game is different from a plat former.

Pretty much my point. Isn't that, like, what people are paying for? To discover all things? Smash is not only meant to be played competitively; there's also a single player mode that has to be taken into account. For people who have no one to play with, what's the point of having everything right away? I mean, what do they do with the game? Just play against the CPU? =/

The single player is already confirmed to have no story, so having unlockable characters to force you to play a tacked on single player would be pointless.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Guys, this is Sakurai we're talking about.
Guy has put unlockables in every game he has made since Super Star.
One of the things that made Smash Bros. Popular in the first place was all the crazy crap you can unlock.
Hell even modern Mario games still do unlockable characters like Rosalina.
It is very doubtful that there will be no hidden characters. This isn't Super Street Fighter 4.

I guess for some people, they just don't want to repeat unlocking things when they're forced to start a new game. Game data nowadays is copy-protected, and as such, can't be transferred onto other systems.

Even fans of Super Smash Bros. Brawl had to face the hard fact that when they have to change their Wii system, they have no choice but to start all over again; Brawl's game data is copy-protected. Sure, you can bypass this with Homebrew applications, but this pretty much isn't the case with the Wii U titles.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I do find it weird how people enjoy unlocking characters, despite that many of the unlockable characters tend to be the more lackluster ones.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I find it weird that even for a minute people would think I have the same requirements out of Smash Brothers that I would say Super Mario 3D World. I love unlockables in games like that.

Because one I'm buying to literally unlock the story and see the cutscenes. The other? I just want to pick up and play with my friends.

If something is a main feature in a fighting game like oh say the roster. You should not be locking it. Because the first thing I'm gonna to want to do anyways is go to practice mode and toy around with everyone.

 

[Big-Cat]

Unlocking fighting game characters in this day and age is, in my opinion, obsolete.

You're gonna wanna try out the entire cast or at least that one character you like. It wouldn't be fair if your potential main is locked away or, worse, DLC. Things like having to clear something with a certain character to get other characters (i.e. Young Link in Melee) is a really bad incentive to try the rest of the cast. It makes sense to a degree, but if you're someone that generally knows what they're looking for in a character, it's no fun at all.

I'm all for unlockable music,trophies, stickers, and maybe even trophies. I think, however, that the core of the game, the characters, need to be available immediately. Now should they have made Rosalina unlockable in 3D World? I don't really think so, but there are more differences in a fighting game cast than there are between the 3D World roster so the comparison is not QUITE the same.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I don't mind new character DLC that you have to pay to unlock to extend the game. It bugs me when it's already on the disc, but things like Batgirl, Zatanna, Zod, Scorpion, Lobo, etc for Injustice? That I don't mind. That's an excellent way to extend the game in this day and age to me.

 

[Big-Cat]

But it's something that might be exactly effective in the long run. What about those that decide to get Injustice later? Now they have to buy all those characters along with the game.

I strongly believe Capcom now has the right idea when it comes to that (at least when it comes to SF4). Release all the characters together as a set and rerelease the game with them and any other changes like SSF4. Or, they can do what they did for Arcade Edition and will for Ultra SF4. Provide a DLC option for those that have the game already and then also provide a physical release option with everything at a reduced price for those that don't.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Well, Injustice did that as well I believe. As did the Mortal Kombat game before that. They still have the DLC up, but there's the complete editions out on disc as well.

 

[warionumbah2]

Well going by the last 3 games we will have to unlock characters again.

Deal with it cause we've done this before 3 or 2 times, weaboos'.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Does anyone else find it strange that Smash Bros. has never had any unlockable female characters? And no, Jigglypuff does not count.

 

[Homelessvagrant]

why doesn't Jigglypuff count? You hatin' on my pokemon brethren?

But seriously there really hasn't been that many female characters in the past and the characters haven't been real unlockable character types.

 

[Hong]

Does anyone else find it strange that Smash Bros. has never had any unlockable female characters?

The only female addition we got in Brawl was not really a new character, and one of the female characters in Melee was just a transformation of herself.

This leaves Zelda, Peach, and Nana. Of the three, Peach certainly does not seem unlock-material, though I suppose the Ice Climbers could have been. Zelda could have been as well, perhaps.

 

[lordvaati]

I will admit it sort of an oddball case in these days, the nature of the unlockable.

As. Stated earlier, unlockable are still a very common thing in Modern Nintendo-KI Uprising, Mario 3d World, and possibly even MK8 all have hidden goodies to discover.

At the same time however A LinkBetween Worlds returned to the open world roots of the original by letting you explore dungeons and use items whenever you want, and was heralded for it(even becoming the first handheld game to win GOTY from a major outlet since Tetris).

Why I lean towards the possibility of unlockables remaining is because of the statements of Sakurai himself. The reason why SSE was dropped because he felt that scenes being revealed on the web stole the sense of discovery from the experience, in other words discovering something by playing the game and being rewarded for it. And as I stated, Sakurai has been putting unlockables in all games since super star, and isn't gonna stop now.also another thing we need to accept is the remove unlockable character argument is the minority amongst the many who still like unlocking characters. Another another is how similar arguments do not exist for stages, which are just about as important in fights as the characters themselves.

Basically the only way closure will come is if we get a Q/A. But really hidden characters are not the end all be all, they aren't gonna effect the quality of the game, and at most it will just have people trying out various modes to find characters-which is kind of what Sakurai wants. My suggestion? Make Vs. Battle requirements a bit lower.

Also Pokemon, just cause.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

why doesn't Jigglypuff count? You hatin' on my pokemon brethren?

It's more the fact that Jigglypuff can be either male or female. It would've been a different story if it was a 100% female Pokemon, however.