NintenZone Social Thread: Shovel Knight Amiibo Hype Catastrophe (feat. Swamp)

[Dravidian]

Man, I didn't realize how much I missed not having Pokemon Stadium 1 in Smash 4.



I would love more movement options in future Smash games. I would just hope they aren't tied to contrived and unintuitive button inputs.

Knowing smashers these days, they'd probably ban it. "We know when everything is going to happen and can avoid it, but it's still to random."

And Amen to ridiculous button inputs. I will never say that wavedashing is useless or stupid, but I will say that the input is garbage.

Useful and well designed are two very different things

 

[Deleted member]

It's times like these when I question why Sakurai ever thought Melee mechanics were a bad idea

Not friendly to begginers, difference in skill level comes down to how much buttons one can press in a small window of time( wavedash and L-cancel require way too precise button inputs, have you ever seen begginers even being able to tech?), ledge mechanics are dumb, etc etc

 

[AreJay25]

Plup

Why'd you do that

 

[CroonerMike]

H- BOX forever. My favorite player.

 

[A Distant Demon]

haha you guys "badmouthing" (cant think of a better word) melee are gong to get a storm if Con0orr isnt too tired.

RIP Plup. I now have no reason to procrastinate so im gonna go record. Go armada
@BluePikmin11 just checking you're ok with the house right?

 

[Spazzy_D]

Glad to See Hbox get this far. Jiggly was my Melee main, so it's nice to see her represented in top 3 at the least.

 

[Kenith]

None of that made sense to me...

 

[Dravidian]

Not friendly to begginers, difference in skill level comes down to how much buttons one can press in a small window of time( wavedash and L-cancel require way too precise button inputs, have you ever seen begginers even being able to tech?), ledge mechanics are dumb, etc etc

This. DI is also unintuitive. I didnt even know I was doing it wrong until I looked it up.

That said, Smash 4 DI (or the blast zones) needs to be adjusted. People may die a little early in Melee, but they live way too long in smash 4.

I'm not sure about rage yet. My instinct make me hate damage buffs from getting your @$$ kicked, but it actually makes certain combos difficult or impossible even though ko moves are better.

eEDIT:

haha you guys "badmouthing" (cant think of a better word) melee are gong to get a storm if Con0orr isnt too tired.

I think you mean "criticizing". And honestly, anyone who willingly ignores legit criticisms, especially when good parts are also mentioned isnt worth listening to. (NOTE: I'm not saying Connor would do that)

Heck, I love smash 4 and I even listed problems it has.

 

[Spazzy_D]

haha you guys "badmouthing" (cant think of a better word) melee are gong to get a storm if Con0orr isnt too tired.

RIP Plup. I now have no reason to procrastinate so im gonna go record. Go armada
@BluePikmin11 just checking you're ok with the house right?

What ever, it isn't anything I haven't heard before. Melee is great and all, but the wave dashing input is really the antithesis of what Smash is all about. The game is about simplifying traditional fighting game inputs... that's why it was made. Wave dashing is great because it provides a tool to mix up your movement in unpredictable ways. It's a big part of the reason why Melee is seen as a more offensive game. It doesn't need to be executed the way it is, though... and this comes from someone that used to play a lot of Melee and can wd is his sleep.

 

[CroonerMike]

I don't understand how people hate hungry box honesty. He beat the big name players, so what? They clearly were not ready for him.

 

[kylexv]

Grand Finals Hype!
Armada vs. Hungrybox

 

[Deleted member]

This. DI is also unintuitive. I didnt even know I was doing it wrong until I looked it up.

That said, Smash 4 DI (or the blast zones) needs to be adjusted. People may die a little early in Melee, but they live way too long in smash 4.

I'm not sure about rage yet. My instinct make me hate damage buffs from getting your @$$ kicked, but it actually makes certain combos difficult or impossible even though ko moves are better.

I like rage(but this is mostly personal bias 'cause I like most heavyweights), it rewards you for living and allows for comebacks more often, it also makes it a lot more scarier when both players are on high percents.
I have to agree with DI tho, it needs fixing, horizontal DI is fine and simple(you're launched more to the direction you hold, simple enough) but vertical DI works differently(holding up or down makes no difference, you have to hold right or left to increase the launching arc, the opposite makes you die earlier. For example: if you're hit by Fox's Up Smash while he's facing right, you have to hold right to increase the arc, if you hold left and decrease the arc, you'll die earlier)

 

[Spazzy_D]

I'm rooting for Box hard..... people were saying he was DONE a few years back. They were saying he was old (as far as his actual game) and that he was no longer and would never again be a top ten player.

Plus, like I said, I LOVE Melee Jiggly Puff. So this is awesome.

 

[AreJay25]

Welp.

Hope you all are ready for this Grand Final lol.

 

[CroonerMike]

haha you guys "badmouthing" (cant think of a better word) melee are gong to get a storm if Con0orr isnt too tired.

RIP Plup. I now have no reason to procrastinate so im gonna go record. Go armada
@BluePikmin11 just checking you're ok with the house right?

Good luck to him. He won't change my mind haha.

 

[Spazzy_D]

I haven't actually been paying attention.... did Smash 4 doubles already happen?

 

[Starlight_Lily]

It's times like these when I question why Sakurai ever thought Melee mechanics were a bad idea

Because Smash Bros is supposed to be a pick up and play kind of game. Melee has to many 'advanced techniques'

Smash was made so that a pro could play a beginner player and not wait along time for them to be a challenge.

(Advanced techniques are in quotation marks because most of those techniques were not supposed to ever be part of Smash)

 

[Dravidian]

I like rage(but this is mostly personal bias 'cause I like most heavyweights), it rewards you for living and allows for comebacks more often, it also makes it a lot more scarier when both players are on high percents.
I have to agree with DI tho, it needs fixing, horizontal DI is fine and simple(you're launched more to the direction you hold, simple enough) but vertical DI works differently(holding up or down makes no difference, you have to hold right or left to increase the launching arc, the opposite makes you die earlier. For example: if you're hit by Fox's Up Smash while he's facing right, you have to hold right to increase the arc, if you hold left and decrease the arc, you'll die earlier)

I mostly agree. Smash 4 DI is simpler (you only hold left or right), but the mixture of vectoring and traditional DI is unintuitive.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Because Smash Bros is supposed to be a pick up and play kind of game. Melee has to many 'advanced techniques'

Smash was made so that a pro could play a beginner player and not wait along time for them to be a challenge.

(Advanced techniques are in quotation marks because most of those techniques were not supposed to ever be part of Smash)

All you ever need to say is "unnecessary barrier of entry."

Also, the thing that I miss the most about Melee is Jiggly Puff's head band. WHY SAKURAI, WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHY?!?!?!?!

 

[Chrono.]

HBOX GOING HAM

 

[AreJay25]

HBOX GOING HAM

AND THEN HE GETS U-AIRED

 

[CroonerMike]

LETS GO H-BOX!

 

[Spazzy_D]

Thing's not looking as good for the hungriest of boxes.

 

[Deleted member]

C'mon Hungrybox

EDIT: welp

 

[kylexv]

Welp.

Spoiler

Props to Armada for taking EVO 2015!

 

[Chrono.]

Armada takes EVO.

Good ****.

 

[AreJay25]

Wow, that was a crazy Top 8. Well deserved win for Armada.

 

[CroonerMike]

Disappointment. H-Box had it in the bag. At least this year was interesting to watch.

 

[Spazzy_D]

FOX WINS! FOX WINS!

Gratz Armada, that was a big win.

It's funny, I've been watching a lot more Smash 4 than Melee or PM recently, so I keep thinking to myself "why aren't they air dodging more?"

 

[Champ Gold]

HungryBox choked again.

Seriously, this is the 3rd straight EVO, you choked

 

[Deleted member]

FOX WINS! FOX WINS!

Gratz Armada, that was a big win.

It's funny, I've been watching a lot more Smash 4 than Melee or PM recently, so I keep thinking to myself "why aren't they air dodging more?"

"Why are they grabbing the ledge so much?"
"Why aren't they rolling?"
"Where's ZSS and Hoo-Hah?"

 

[A Distant Demon]

*come back mid recording*
*checks who won*
Nice. If it cant be Leffen and it cant be Plup it might as well be Armada
*returns to recording*
(seriously Blue just disappeared. . .)

 

[Chrono.]

I couldn't care less about Marvel so I doubt I'll watch it.

 

[Champ Gold]

IT'S MAHVEL BABY

Spoiler

Christ, I'm starting to hate this game

 

[AreJay25]

Yeah I don't know if I'm gonna watch Marvel either lol.

 

[Chrono.]

So naptime till USFIV?

 

[Kenith]

Which game is Marvel?

 

[Champ Gold]

Yeah I don't know if I'm gonna watch Marvel either lol.

It's decent but goddamn, it's been 5 years, LET IT GO.

THE META IS DEAD, THERES NO PATCHES AND NOT EVEN CHRIS G GIVES A RATS ASS. FILIPINO CHUMP NEEDS TO GIVE UP ON THE GAME AND PLAY STREET FIGHTER

 

[Deleted member]

Which game is Marvel?

I believe they're referring to Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom

 

[Deleted member]

Melee's decent but goddamn, it's been 15 years, LET IT GO.

THE META IS DEAD, THERES NO PATCHES AND NOT EVEN CHRIS G GIVES A RATS ***. FILIPINO CHUMP NEEDS TO GIVE UP ON THE GAME AND PLAY STREET FIGHTER

FTFY
EDIT 'CAUSE DOUBLE POST WOOHOO!