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[Z25]

Huh, just saw an interesting comment on squares crossover practices. Verge pointed out how square seems to like their characters in crossovers as dlc if you look at their track record. Which is true but I never realized that before

 

[Chrono.]

Huh, just saw an interesting comment on squares crossover practices. Verge pointed out how square seems to like their characters in crossovers as dlc if you look at their track record. Which is true but I never realized that before

I remember buying Dissidia and finding out the whole roster was DLC.

 

[ChikoLad]

I'm glad I have no idea who the DLC could be, makes it way more exciting.

Yeah, one of the reasons this game's hype cycle has been so lame to me is partly because everyone's wishlists, whether the choices were logically sound or not, were all the same damned thing.

The Smash community treats specualtion and wishlists like this democratic thing and if you go outside of that and actually just want characters you personally give a ****about, you get swamped with angry comments and people throwing this leak and that leak at you.

Honestly I kinda wish they didn't already confirm DLC development so people could just enjoy the game and not think about DLC, but I get why they confirmed it.

 

[Ivander]

Hmm...
https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/9toe7t/it_all_makes_sense_now/

Everyone is here.

On the surface, it applies to the veterans returning.

But Spirits brings new meaning.

Galeem wiped out the galaxy and turned everyone he didn't capture into formless spirits floating aimlessly, searching for a way to reclaim their prior selves. Then he used those he did capture, that is, the playable fighters sans Kirby, and produced copies of their forms for the spirits to possess. He made an army of clones out of the most powerful champions in the known realm and presumably intends to invade the real world with them (speculation on my part).

The way this translates into gameplay is what matters. A spirit is provided with a clone by Galeem, and it then possesses the empty clone and alters its own appearance as much as it can to match the original form it remembers. That's how we get Lakitu and Spinies out of Lemmy and little red bowsers, for example. What I'm trying to say is, we are actually fighting the real Lakitu during that match. He looks like Lemmy because his old body was destroyed and he possessed a clone of someone who kinda sorta looks like him, but mentally, that is Lakitu. Every little red Bowser is, mentally, a real Spiny. This applies for every spirit. By defeating them, you free their spirit from their clone prison and weaken Galeem, and once you've freed enough spirits to reach him, you take him down for good and restore everyone's original bodies. The whole party system thing makes sense now too. You aren't just applying glorified stickers to your fighter for arbitrary stat boosts, you are recruiting the disembodied spirits of those real characters, which then follow you into battle and lend you their power.

This is why Sakurai said to use a little imagination. He went and created an entire new game mode with complicated new lore that allowed him to bend the rules and include hundreds and hundreds of fighters, so long as the players are imaginative enough to see them for who they really are. He said all along the theme of Ultimate was inclusion, but no one could have seen this coming. He's honestly a genius. He loves all of us and all of those characters, and this is the proof. I can't express enough how much I love him and this game back.

Everyone. Is. Here.

That's an interesting way of thinking about it. And in hindsight, it sounds pretty awesome if you let your imagination run wild. Won't stop some people though.

That said, it does make the Shantae/Samus comic funnier in hindsight.

 

[Chrono.]

Yeah, one of the reasons this game's hype cycle has been so lame to me is partly because everyone's wishlists, whether the choices were logically sound or not, were all the same damned thing.

The Smash community treats specualtion and wishlists like this democratic thing and if you go outside of that and actually just want characters you personally give a ****about, you get swamped with angry comments and people throwing this leak and that leak at you.

Honestly I kinda wish they didn't already confirm DLC development so people could just enjoy the game and not think about DLC, but I get why they confirmed it.

I wish they'd gone and step further and told us who we were getting.

Thats the one thing I hate about fighting game DLCs. Its all a dumb guess game.

It took Capcom until Season 3 of SFV to get it right.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I know the top two DLC characters I'm hoping for:

Spoiler

After that comes Bandana Dee, those are my top three picks. I hope we do see another wave of DLC after these five mystery characters, though. I'm not just hoping to see characters I want from DLC, I'm also rooting for a few other characters with sizeable fanbases, for the sake of said fans.

 

[Deleted member]

I wish they'd gone and step further and told us who we were getting.

Thats the one thing I hate about fighting game DLCs. Its all a dumb guess game.

It took Capcom until Season 3 of SFV to get it right.

That all depends on who we're getting really. For SFV it took us quite awhile to get some characters that should have been in day one. But with Smash? Man, who the heck knows who's coming considering that PP is not even apart of the season pass and how crazy the DLC selection was in smash 4.

I could see why they'd be hiding it if they have some crazy selection of DLC characters.

 

[Deleted member]

I know the top two DLC characters I'm hoping for:

Spoiler

After that comes Bandana Dee, those are my top three picks. I hope we do see another wave of DLC after these five mystery characters, though. I'm not just hoping to see characters I want from DLC, I'm also rooting for a few other characters with sizeable fanbases, for the sake of said fans.

Skull Kid was deconfirmed.

 

[Yellowlord]

I know the top two DLC characters I'm hoping for:

Spoiler

After that comes Bandana Dee, those are my top three picks. I hope we do see another wave of DLC after these five mystery characters, though. I'm not just hoping to see characters I want from DLC, I'm also rooting for a few other characters with sizeable fanbases, for the sake of said fans.

I hate to say this as I really think he'd have potential as a character, but Skull Kid got confirmed as an Assist Trophy on the official Smash Bros website despite not appearing in the Direct.

While I don't think that deconfirms him unless officially said by Sakurai, being an Assist Trophy usually means that's it for this game.

 

[Z25]

I remember buying Dissidia and finding out the whole roster was DLC.

EA would be proud

 

[Deleted member]

I hate to say this as I really think he'd have potential as a character, but Skull Kid got confirmed as an Assist Trophy on the official Smash Bros website despite not appearing in the Direct.

While I don't think that deconfirms him unless officially said by Sakurai, being an Assist Trophy usually means that's it for this game.

My brain is screaming for you to put the "Edit: 'd" in your post, but you do not have to.

 

[Z25]

I wonder if we get the additional dlc, would they do another ballot.

If they did who do you think would win?

I would say Sora but if he’s the first DLC then I have no idea.

 

[Yellowlord]

I wonder if we get the additional dlc, would they do another ballot.

If they did who do you think would win?

I would say Sora but if he’s the first DLC then I have no idea.

I honestly think Isaac, Skull Kid, Ashley and anyone else who was highly desired and became an Assist Trophy will be front runners of a theoretical second ballot. If anything, Isaac might be the K. Rool of the next ballot if he's voted enough.

 

[Dyllybirdy]

I know the top two DLC characters I'm hoping for:

Spoiler

After that comes Bandana Dee, those are my top three picks. I hope we do see another wave of DLC after these five mystery characters, though. I'm not just hoping to see characters I want from DLC, I'm also rooting for a few other characters with sizeable fanbases, for the sake of said fans.

You support Tetra!? Brilliant.

 

[Deleted member]

I honestly think Isaac, Skull Kid, Ashley and anyone else who was highly desired and became an Assist Trophy will be front runners of a theoretical second ballot. If anything, Isaac might be the K. Rool of the next ballot if he's voted enough.

We will have to wait next game for Isaac if he has a chance.

I highly doubt ATs will be converted to fighters.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Skull Kid was deconfirmed.
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I hate to say this as I really think he'd have potential as a character, but Skull Kid got confirmed as an Assist Trophy on the official Smash Bros website despite not appearing in the Direct.

Oh, I'm aware. The same thing hasn't stopped people from already supporting Waluigi as a DLC fighter, though.

I won't say it's likely to happen, but I'm not gonna give up on his case just yet. I do admittedly kinda doubt he'd be in this initial wave, though. I don't see why he'd be made into an assist trophy if he they already had other plans for him set in stone. And there's no reason not to think that identities of these five DLC characters haven't already been decided. So yeah, not hoping for him to join the fight next year, but I'll keep it in mind and support his inclusion until it's confirmed that there won't be any more DLC. We don't yet know if there's gonna be more beyond these five packs.

You support Tetra!? Brilliant.

I own her support thread here. Of course I support her! She's one of my favorite characters from my favorite game of all time.

 

[Z25]

I honestly think Isaac, Skull Kid, Ashley and anyone else who was highly desired and became an Assist Trophy will be front runners of a theoretical second ballot. If anything, Isaac might be the K. Rool of the next ballot if he's voted enough.

This is true. If assist trophies are fair game(which they should be) issac definitely makes a lot sense. Maybe even waluigi.

 

[ChikoLad]

I wish they'd gone and step further and told us who we were getting.

Thats the one thing I hate about fighting game DLCs. Its all a dumb guess game.

It took Capcom until Season 3 of SFV to get it right.

I don't mind keeping them a secret as long as they don't accidentally leak anyone by including data in patches that gets datamined.

Dissidia NT hasn't even finished it's season pass yet and we already know not only all of the characters that will be on it, but there a references to a whole second season pass' worth of other characters too, meaning we're likely getting a second season pass and we already know who those characters are. We also have references to a bunch of new outfits for the base roster characters so we're probably getting an Outfit Pack, just like the Weapon Pack that's already out that added new weapons for all of the base roster characters. We also have the names of each outfit and while some aren't certain for the characters that don't actually have alternate outfits in their games, most of them are obvious like Kingdom Hearts Cloud. There are also full translations for modes that are exclusive to the Japan-exclusive Arcade version that the devs have claimed aren't coming to NT, but they may very well yet.

It's like, there are no surprises left for the game beyond the story updates.

The only datamined thing from the updates is that for some reason, there was an image of Dissidia 012's World Map. That could be a placeholder that means nothing, or it might simply be used in a cutscene. I'd like it to mean we get a proper Adventure Mode like 012's but I'm not getting my hopes up.

 

[Deleted member]

The deconfirmed guys will have their chance next game, do not worry.

Just to pinpoint: Ultimate's base roster is truly fantastic.

Also I absolutely love Deltarune.

 

[Z25]

Also gamexplain found something pretty neat in world of light:

I can’t wait to see other neat details like this throughout more. Should be pretty good.

 

[Deleted member]

My wish list for DLC would be(and this is no way realistic:, more so who'd I'd be interested in, whether it be nostalgia, awesomeness, or just hilarity):
Master Chief (Or Doom Slayer)
Steve
Crash
Waddle Dee
Goomba

 

[praline]

I know the top two DLC characters I'm hoping for:

Spoiler

After that comes Bandana Dee, those are my top three picks. I hope we do see another wave of DLC after these five mystery characters, though. I'm not just hoping to see characters I want from DLC, I'm also rooting for a few other characters with sizeable fanbases, for the sake of said fans.

Well hopefully for Skull Kid, him being an assist trophy doesn’t affect him being dlc

 

[Chrono.]

The Burger King Twitter is wildin'.

him: it's only a month
waifu: ...........😭

— Burger King (@BurgerKing) November 1, 2018

 

[praline]

The deconfirmed guys will have their chance next game, do not worry.

Just to pinpoint: Ultimate's base roster is truly fantastic.
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Also I absolutely love Deltarune.

Have a chance next game? Boy that’s what they told me last game... and the game before that. The characters I want at this rate will never happen.

 

[ChikoLad]

The Burger King Twitter is wildin'.

him: it's only a month
waifu: ...........😭

— Burger King (@BurgerKing) November 1, 2018

I used to work for Burger King so this is really weird.

I wouldn't have been able to take my job seriously if I saw this while working there.

 

[Deleted member]

Is this Rohan guy gonna be a core ally ir something? There’s a new opening and he’s in it a lot.

Also the guy that helped his vehicle looked exactly like Josuke. Is he Josuke but sent to the past?

Spoiler: small spoilers regarding the two questions

Yeah, Araki becomes part of the main cast after this.

No and yes, technically. Canonically, it's never answered and it CAN'T be Josuke, but originally, Araki planned for Josuke to go back in time and save himself.
Tbh, I like the "unknown savior" take and I'm glad it's the canon one.

I'm glad I have no idea who the DLC could be, makes it way more exciting.

It's Katalina from GranBlue Fantasy, Steve from Minecraft and Square Enix Character from Square Enix.
#TeamVergAndHitagi

Yeah, one of the reasons this game's hype cycle has been so lame to me is partly because everyone's wishlists, whether the choices were logically sound or not, were all the same damned thing.

The Smash community treats specualtion and wishlists like this democratic thing and if you go outside of that and actually just want characters you personally give a ****about, you get swamped with angry comments and people throwing this leak and that leak at you.

Honestly I kinda wish they didn't already confirm DLC development so people could just enjoy the game and not think about DLC, but I get why they confirmed it.

This is part of the reason I hated the "Isaac/Banjo/Geno are gonna be in!" thing. It got really tiring to see people go around policing others' opinions like they were somehow above other characters and the Grinch leak didn't help at all.

Hmm...
https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/9toe7t/it_all_makes_sense_now/

That's an interesting way of thinking about it. And in hindsight, it sounds pretty awesome if you let your imagination run wild. Won't stop some people though.

That said, it does make the Shantae/Samus comic funnier in hindsight.

This has been pretty much my take on it. People think it's silly but I've been doing this kind of stuff since Smash 4. It's a fun way to represent non-playable characters even if they're just glorified stickers. And with KOable ATs, these can be fought as enemies too as we already saw with Ghirahim in the Imprisoned battle.
I'm pretty sure that all the Assist Trophies will be fought in World of Light at some point too so those are just straight up THE characters. It's not ideal but everyone is truly here(and I wouldn't be surprised if we have way more Spirits than we can imagine, specially considering how there are so many FE and Pokemon ones)

I wish they'd gone and step further and told us who we were getting.

Thats the one thing I hate about fighting game DLCs. Its all a dumb guess game.

It took Capcom until Season 3 of SFV to get it right.

This is what I feel was the problem with Sakurai wanting to treat Smash reveals as an event but also having to deal with marketing a game.
In an event, you'd really save the best for last but in marketing you wanna show off your big names since the start. They really should have given marketing priority this time because knowing all 5 characters from the start would only raise sales and hype, even if they were inly simple renders. But nope, Sakurai still wants to treat these as an event but by now he should realize that's not the optimal idea.

 

[Deleted member]

Have a chance next game? Boy that’s what they told me last game... and the game before that. The characters I want at this rate will never happen.

I mean, they have a chance next game.

They are not gauranteed from this, just an interesting theory.

I honestly think Isaac, Skull Kid, Ashley and anyone else who was highly desired and became an Assist Trophy will be front runners of a theoretical second ballot. If anything, Isaac might be the K. Rool of the next ballot if he's voted enough.

The Burger King Twitter is wildin'.

him: it's only a month
waifu: ...........😭

— Burger King (@BurgerKing) November 1, 2018

 

[Deleted member]

It's Katalina from GranBlue Fantasy, Steve from Minecraft and Square Enix Character from Square Enix.
#TeamVergAndHitagi

The latter two are fine, but the former is unacceptable unless they add in Fortnite default to compensate for the utter weebness.

 

[Deleted member]

The latter two are fine, but the former is unacceptable unless they add in Fortnite default to compensate for the utter weebness.

you guys keep joking about Fortnite but it would legit get me hyped

 

[Deleted member]

you guys keep joking about Fortnite but it would legit get me hyped

I'm not joking you dumb.

 

[Ivander]

It's Katalina from GranBlue Fantasy, Steve from Minecraft and Square Enix Character from Square Enix.
#TeamVergAndHitagi

-Katalina is more from Hitagi and not Verge. Not to mention Katalina was discussed a while ago and Hitagi did backpedal a bit during the discussion around her. Not saying it's wrong and not forgetting about Hitagi's high track record according to Verge, but I wouldn't put 100% into it.
-Steve is possible, although Verge never confirmed him to be a character 100%. A possible one, sure. But for all we know, the Minecraft content could be a Stage and not a character. Once again, not saying it's wrong. But it's another wait and see.
-The Square character definitely feels very likely at this point. Could it be Geno? Sora? Lara Croft? Sephiroth? One we're not going to predict? Once again, we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Moydow]

Katalina from GranBlue Fantasy

Katalina from Gran-who Fantasy?
*googles*

Okay, I was expecting worse than this, but at least in terms of design she doesn't look too bad. Not finding much in terms of what she'd actually do, though, except that she apparently has some water abilities. I dunno. I don't really like the idea of some mobile gacha game with nothing at all to do with Nintendo getting characters in Smash, but eh. but I also thrive on salt, and she'd produce tons of it, so I'm all for it

 

[Deleted member]

Many people already hate the fact that there's too many FE characters, imagine how pissed so many people would be if some Gacha game character that hasn't been on a Nintendo platform made it in. LMAO

 

[Deleted member]

I have gotten to this point in Deltarune.

And I love it.

 

[ChikoLad]

Here's a point of discussion.

How would you feel if the next Smash game was an entirely single-player/co-op centric experience, basically the opposite of Smash Wii U/3DS and to a lesser extent, Ultimate?

Like it brought back trophies and didn't have a traditional VS mode, but it did have all of the characters from Ultimate and it's DLC and a few new ones too?

And it would have a full on story mode and tons of platforming levels and other modes like an open Great Maze mode and so on?

I ask because I feel at this rate, the singleplayer is the one thing that seems to suffer more and more, the more the other aspects of the game improve. They just don't have time to do it with all of the other things they have going on. I'm not saying Ultimate's offerings look absolutely awful, but they do look rushed since they are all so similar, especially with people think Spirits and World of Light are the same mode.

I also think that Ultimate is beyond perfect when it comes to the multiplayer offerings and such. Potentially really laggy online aside (which is honestly out of the Smash team's control), there really isn't anything they can add, at least nothing that is substantially needed.

They could of course reboot the series and revamp old characters like Mario and Link, but that will inevitably cause salt. I'd be interested in a complete genre shift, like making it a 3D arena fighter like Dissidia, but those aren't near as popular as 2D fighters. Ultimately, those aren't scratching an itch many are asking for.

What they haven't been able to properly succeed in though, is actually utilising characters and representing them well, and getting a lot of character interactions in. Some characters always get shafted in that regard, especially when Sakurai bias kicks in. And of course the actual platforming and adventuring stuff always gets shafted. These are actually things people have been vocal about wanting from Smash. As it is, these characters are here together, but it rarely means anything as they don't get to interact.

So I think this would make sense after Ultimate. We likely aren't otherwise going to get a second Smash game on Switch, and the Switch is likely gonna have a longer than average lifespan. I think this would be justified for them to try. They don't even need Sakurai to do it either since they would be re-using the characters as they are in Ultimate.

I dunno. Just a thought.

 

[Z25]

Katalina from Gran-who Fantasy?
*googles*

Okay, I was expecting worse than this, but at least in terms of design she doesn't look too bad. Not finding much in terms of what she'd actually do, though, except that she apparently has some water abilities. I dunno. I don't really like the idea of some mobile gacha game with nothing at all to do with Nintendo getting characters in Smash, but eh. but I also thrive on salt, and she'd produce tons of it, so I'm all for it

There is he swimsuit version I saw of her from that fame and all I can say is oh my if she’s in

 

[Ivander]

Katalina from Gran-who Fantasy?
*googles*

Okay, I was expecting worse than this, but at least in terms of design she doesn't look too bad. Not finding much in terms of what she'd actually do, though, except that she apparently has some water abilities. I dunno. I don't really like the idea of some mobile gacha game with nothing at all to do with Nintendo getting characters in Smash, but eh. but I also thrive on salt, and she'd produce tons of it, so I'm all for it/s]

By what I've read, she's apparently gotten at the beginning of Granblue Fantasy and is involved with one of the important characters, so she's alot like what Fjorm is to Book 2 in FEH. So basically, Katalina is one of the characters that everybody gets and is apparently involved in the story quite a bit, so any Granblue player would know her.
That aside, she does have multiple versions of herself.
https://gbf.wiki/Katalina
So besides her main look, she can get inspiration or moves from her other versions to add to her moveset. And her other forms can provide ideas for alternate costumes...including her Swimsuit version. *looks at Shulk*

 

[Z25]

Smash in a nutshell #waluigi #piranhaplant. pic.twitter.com/tKjMw2B4al

— Guillermo Sánchez (@GuillermoS94) November 1, 2018

It’s not wrong lol

 

[Deleted member]

Here's a point of discussion.

How would you feel if the next Smash game was an entirely single-player/co-op centric experience, basically the opposite of Smash Wii U/3DS and to a lesser extent, Ultimate?

Like it brought back trophies and didn't have a traditional VS mode, but it did have all of the characters from Ultimate and it's DLC and a few new ones too?

And it would have a full on story mode and tons of platforming levels and other modes like an open Great Maze mode and so on?

I ask because I feel at this rate, the singleplayer is the one thing that seems to suffer more and more, the more the other aspects of the game improve. They just don't have time to do it with all of the other things they have going on. I'm not saying Ultimate's offerings look absolutely awful, but they do look rushed since they are all so similar, especially with people think Spirits and World of Light are the same mode.

I also think that Ultimate is beyond perfect when it comes to the multiplayer offerings and such. Potentially really laggy online aside (which is honestly out of the Smash team's control), there really isn't anything they can add, at least nothing that is substantially needed.

They could of course reboot the series and revamp old characters like Mario and Link, but that will inevitably cause salt. I'd be interested in a complete genre shift, like making it a 3D arena fighter like Dissidia, but those aren't near as popular as 2D fighters. Ultimately, those aren't scratching an itch many are asking for.

What they haven't been able to properly succeed in though, is actually utilising characters and representing them well, and getting a lot of character interactions in. Some characters always get shafted in that regard, especially when Sakurai bias kicks in. And of course the actual platforming and adventuring stuff always gets shafted. These are actually things people have been vocal about wanting from Smash. As it is, these characters are here together, but it rarely means anything as they don't get to interact.

So I think this would make sense after Ultimate. We likely aren't otherwise going to get a second Smash game on Switch, and the Switch is likely gonna have a longer than average lifespan. I think this would be justified for them to try. They don't even need Sakurai to do it either since they would be re-using the characters as they are in Ultimate.

I dunno. Just a thought.

Eh, story is like, the thing I'd least care for in Smash. Though I did like subspace, if only they just ditched the maze and added in some actual video game enemies and not the OC smash enemies that hardly anyone cared for.

You don't even need any prerendered cutscenes, I just liked platforming through levels with different characters. And again, I'd hope those levels are mostly recognizable locations from smash and not just some generic locations.

As for the reboot, I'd also be against it. Most arguments I've heard for it are to balance the game or to make the gameplay more complex. Both of which I feel defeat the purpose of why Smash is even so popular in the first place. The fact that I saw so many reactions upset just that the starting roster for this game was the original roster. LMAO.

 

[Knight Dude]

I don't know if this was posted yet, but I thought this was funny.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Falcon trying to leave was still the funniest though.