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[Natz~]

Is this another stoic joke?

its not a joke if its the truth :V

 

[LoneKonWolf]

its not a joke if its the truth :V

You *****.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Well, sister's having a hard time moving on from her ex and is just lashing out at everyone in the house.

Just what I ****ing needed in my last days of vacation

 

[Natz~]

You *****.

touched a nerve *******?

 

[ChikoLad]

When it comes to discussing text. I am very much against Word of God as the be-all, end-all approach, especially when the project is huge team effort the way a video game is. It's more important to look at what the text itself says, because often it's directly against what the author says it was supposed to say.

For example, I will never let go of the OoT "theory" that the Sheikah were mass-murdering, shadow God worshipping cultists and that they were the enemy of the war that occurred ten years before the game began, which resulted in the death of Link's parents and him being given to the Deku Tree for safe care. I don't care how many prequels come out that say the Sheikah have been protecting the Hyrule royal line since before there even was a Hyrule royal line. If you remove the idea that the Sheikah were cultists, you're left with no explanation for the torture chamber under Kakariko or Impa's connection with the Shadow temple, and there's literally no one left in Hyrule for the King, Ganondorf, Darunia and Zora to unite together and fight against, which is a major element to their backstory of the entire game.

Could it not be argued that the Yiga clan are the shady, murder happy cultists now with Breath of the Wild being out? Or that they are the descendants of those malicious Sheikah, at least?

Considering the obvious links the game has to OoT, and how the Yiga are exiles of the Sheikah clan, it's not too far fetched to believe that could be the case.

It may not be a perfect solution, since the Yiga clan didn't live up to the hype regardless, but they definitely seem to fit the bill as the potential malicious Sheikah hinted at in OoT. I feel like that may have been intentional on the part of the BotW devs.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

Well, sister's having a hard time moving on from her ex and is just lashing out at everyone in the house.

Just what I ****ing needed in my last days of vacation

My condolences for you uni. What are the odds of her finally moving on.

touched a nerve *******?

You mean your continued existence? Yes.

 

[Natz~]

Well, sister's having a hard time moving on from her ex and is just lashing out at everyone in the house.

Just what I ****ing needed in my last days of vacation

ouch .-. -huggles- sorry to hear uni :x not really something ya should be putting up with :x

 

[vaanrose]

Could it not be argued that the Yiga clan are the shady, murder happy cultists now with Breath of the Wild being out? Or that they are the descendants of those malicious Sheikah, at least?

Considering the obvious links the game has to OoT, and how the Yiga are exiles of the Sheikah clan, it's not too far fetched to believe that could be the case.

It may not be a perfect solution, since the Yiga clan didn't live up to the hype regardless, but they definitely seem to fit the bill as the potential malicious Sheikah hinted at in OoT. I feel like that may have been intentional on the part of the BotW devs.

It bothers me a great deal that the Yiga wear an upside down teary-eyed Evil Eye instead of just using the old, tearless Evil Eye.

 

[Natz~]

You mean your continued existence? Yes.

meh :V deal with it and pamper me like royalty~ just like you usually do

 

[Deleted member]

The pre-Skyward Sword Sheikah are my favorite element of the entire franchise, and the cleansing of them as characters is one of the things that turns me off of the newer games.

Allow me to get especially nerdy with you lot here.

The Sheikah Eye remains one of my favorite symbols in the franchise, and it's not just because it looks cool. It's because it's one of the most well thought out icons in a fictional world I've ever seen.

The proto-Sheikah Eye makes its debut in AlttP, as the symbol of Agahnim. But there's a distinct difference between it and the eye symbol found in OoT. It lacks the tear.



Come OoT, Impa now wears the same symbol, but with a tear. It later appears on Sheik, who, like Agahnim, covers his face with robes. We learn Impa built Kakariko Village, and we later discover Kakariko is built on the remains of a torture dungeon, and sits right next door to the Shadow Temple. This is all intentional. Attentive players will be put off by Impa and especially Sheik, because of the intentional similarities drawn to the villain of the previous game.


But it turns out to be a meta twist. They're the good guys.

I'll come back to OoT in minute, but for now let's segue to Twilight Princess to get a clearer picture of the narrative. In TP, we learn of the Interlopers, a mysterious race of shadow people who, decades ago, attempted to take over Hyrule and steal the Triforce. The game never explicitly says the Interlopers are the Sheikah, but it hints at it at every opportunity. On the back of Zant's throne room, and the on the back of Midna's helmet, we can find the Agahnim version of the eye, sans tear.



The implication is abundantly clear. The Sheikah were not good people. They attempted to take the Triforce for themselves. They built underground torture dungeons and temples to the shadow gods. Most of them were banished to the Twilight Realm, while a select few stayed. Those select few swore fealty to the Hyrule Kingdom, and adorned their Eye with the Tear, a representation of guilt.

Back to OoT specifically. Bongo Bongo is the shadow god that the Sheikah followed. His giant eye is literally the Evil Eye symbol.



Those "spikes" around the Sheikah eye are in fact the strands of flesh coming off Bongo Bongo's decapitated neck.

The backstory of OoT talks about a recent war, where King Hyrule unified all the peoples of Hyrule to win the war. Notably absent from OoT is anybody for the peoples of Hyrule to fight in this war. The idea that it was the Gerudo doesn't gel with the fact that Ganondorf's help in ending the war is what gets him close to the king in the first place.

The backstory of TP talks about the attack on the Sacred Realm by the Internlopers, and in AlttP, we learn that when word of the Triforce first spread, it caused a civil war where the people of Hyrule all fought to seize its power.

I believe all three of these events are the same thing.

So, just prior to OoT, the Sheikah, a race of dark, shadow people, learn of the Triforce's location in the Sacred Realm, and attempt to take it for themselves. They most likely use the Mask of Truth (notable again in that it features the tear-less Eye symbol) to learn how to gain access to the Sacred Realm. And they definitely use Bongo Bongo's power in their attempt to seize the Triforce.

They King of Hyrule, with the the help of Darunia, Zora and Ganondorf, fight back the attack of the Sheikah, and at some point, Impa turns on the other Sheikah and seals Bongo Bongo in the dungeon under Kakariko. This is enough to convince the King to spare her.

The Sheikah interlopers are defeated and sealed in the Twilight Realm for their crimes. Impa is spared, builds Kakariko Village for the Hylians as a show of good faith, and swears fealty to the King and is placed as the princess's bodyguard.

And to clearly denounce her old ways, she adorns the Evil Eye with the tear.

I like this theory but there's a lot of readin inbetween the lines that what you believe is a retcon is actually how it was intended to fit in.

Also, neither the Shadow Temple or the bottom of the well seem like they were only just abandoned, they look worse than most other OoT temples, implying they're from ages long ago.
Couldn't it be assumed it's part of Hyrule's bloody history?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

My condolences for you uni. What are the odds of her finally moving on.

Knowing her, it's at least likelier than her learning how to spend her money without being stupid about it.

But that's not saying much.

ouch .-. -huggles- sorry to hear uni :x not really something ya should be putting up with :x

Such is life, Kitty. Never fair, never giving me a break.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

meh :V deal with it and pamper me like royalty~ just like you usually do

If were talking about what I usually do, then i'll stop letting you inside everytime you forget your keys and let you starve.

 

[Natz~]

Knowing her, it's at least likelier than her learning how to spend her money without being stupid about it.

But that's not saying much.


Such is life, Kitty. Never fair, never giving me a break.

rip .-. hold strong one of these days dude :x

If were talking about what I usually do, then i'll stop letting you inside everytime you forget your keys and let you starve.

you haven't yet though :V

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

Just got back from a run. I've missed working out in the summer sun.
My favorite season is once again here.

 

[vaanrose]

I like this theory but there's a lot of readin inbetween the lines that what you believe is a retcon is actually how it was intended to fit in.

Also, neither the Shadow Temple or the bottom of the well seem like they were only just abandoned, they look worse than most other OoT temples, implying they're from ages long ago.
Couldn't it be assumed it's part of Hyrule's bloody history?

Within the game itself we know that Impa was the one to seal Bongo Bongo in the well, and we also know that she founded the village. The village is clearly younger than the war, considering it's still in active construction when we first see it. It isn't much of a stretch to then suggest the well was sealed off recently, which means Bongo Bongo was still in power recently, which suggests his temple would still be in use recently.

 

[Mythra]

Everytime I don't pull **** from a Banner I get pissy and furiously promote and build someone to fill the 5☆ gap in mah soul.
This time I did Budget A!Tiki

Now I have another nice Dragon while I rebuild my Corrin.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

Knowing her, it's at least likelier than her learning how to spend her money without being stupid about it.

But that's not saying much.


Such is life, Kitty. Never fair, never giving me a break.

I see. . . Well till a more permanent opportunity arises, Keep your endurance up.

rip .-. hold strong one of these days dude :x

you haven't yet though :V

Just like a cyanide tablet. Waiting for the perfect day. . .

 

[Deleted member]

Within the game itself we know that Impa was the one to seal Bongo Bongo in the well, and we also know that she founded the village. The village is clearly younger than the war, considering it's still in active construction when we first see it. It isn't much of a stretch to then suggest the well was sealed off recently, which means Bongo Bongo was still in power recently, which suggests his temple would still be in use recently.

Ok yeah, I forgot about Impa sealing Bongo Bongo, I think you might be onto something just don't let MatPat find out about it.

 

[Natz~]

I see. . . Well till a more permanent opportunity arises, Keep your endurance up.


Just like a cyanide tablet. Waiting for the perfect day. . .

konnie both of us know a cyanide tablet won't do anything to you :V

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Within the game itself we know that Impa was the one to seal Bongo Bongo in the well, and we also know that she founded the village. The village is clearly younger than the war, considering it's still in active construction when we first see it. It isn't much of a stretch to then suggest the well was sealed off recently, which means Bongo Bongo was still in power recently, which suggests his temple would still be in use recently.

You sound like what would happen if MatPat was actually good with theories.

 

[LoneKonWolf]

konnie both of us know a cyanide tablet won't do anything to you :V

And that basically generalize my life in a sentence.

 

[Natz~]

And that basically generalize my life in a sentence.

......honestly ya pretty much

 

[Starlight_Lily]

The pre-Skyward Sword Sheikah are my favorite element of the entire franchise, and the cleansing of them as characters is one of the things that turns me off of the newer games.

Allow me to get especially nerdy with you lot here.

The Sheikah Eye remains one of my favorite symbols in the franchise, and it's not just because it looks cool. It's because it's one of the most well thought out icons in a fictional world I've ever seen.

The proto-Sheikah Eye makes its debut in AlttP, as the symbol of Agahnim. But there's a distinct difference between it and the eye symbol found in OoT. It lacks the tear.



Come OoT, Impa now wears the same symbol, but with a tear. It later appears on Sheik, who, like Agahnim, covers his face with robes. We learn Impa built Kakariko Village, and we later discover Kakariko is built on the remains of a torture dungeon, and sits right next door to the Shadow Temple. This is all intentional. Attentive players will be put off by Impa and especially Sheik, because of the intentional similarities drawn to the villain of the previous game.


But it turns out to be a meta twist. They're the good guys.

I'll come back to OoT in minute, but for now let's segue to Twilight Princess to get a clearer picture of the narrative. In TP, we learn of the Interlopers, a mysterious race of shadow people who, decades ago, attempted to take over Hyrule and steal the Triforce. The game never explicitly says the Interlopers are the Sheikah, but it hints at it at every opportunity. On the back of Zant's throne room, and the on the back of Midna's helmet, we can find the Agahnim version of the eye, sans tear.



The implication is abundantly clear. The Sheikah were not good people. They attempted to take the Triforce for themselves. They built underground torture dungeons and temples to the shadow gods. Most of them were banished to the Twilight Realm, while a select few stayed. Those select few swore fealty to the Hyrule Kingdom, and adorned their Eye with the Tear, a representation of guilt.

Back to OoT specifically. Bongo Bongo is the shadow god that the Sheikah followed. His giant eye is literally the Evil Eye symbol.



Those "spikes" around the Sheikah eye are in fact the strands of flesh coming off Bongo Bongo's decapitated neck.

The backstory of OoT talks about a recent war, where King Hyrule unified all the peoples of Hyrule to win the war. Notably absent from OoT is anybody for the peoples of Hyrule to fight in this war. The idea that it was the Gerudo doesn't gel with the fact that Ganondorf's help in ending the war is what gets him close to the king in the first place.

The backstory of TP talks about the attack on the Sacred Realm by the Internlopers, and in AlttP, we learn that when word of the Triforce first spread, it caused a civil war where the people of Hyrule all fought to seize its power.

I believe all three of these events are the same thing.

So, just prior to OoT, the Sheikah, a race of dark, shadow people, learn of the Triforce's location in the Sacred Realm, and attempt to take it for themselves. They most likely use the Mask of Truth (notable again in that it features the tear-less Eye symbol) to learn how to gain access to the Sacred Realm. And they definitely use Bongo Bongo's power in their attempt to seize the Triforce.

They King of Hyrule, with the the help of Darunia, Zora and Ganondorf, fight back the attack of the Sheikah, and at some point, Impa turns on the other Sheikah and seals Bongo Bongo in the dungeon under Kakariko. This is enough to convince the King to spare her.

The Sheikah interlopers are defeated and sealed in the Twilight Realm for their crimes. Impa is spared, builds Kakariko Village for the Hylians as a show of good faith, and swears fealty to the King and is placed as the princess's bodyguard.

And to clearly denounce her old ways, she adorns the Evil Eye with the tear.

I'm probably misreading something here, but are you hinting that the Dark Interlopers caused the civil war before OoT. Cause if so, pretty sure the Interlopers can't be, since the Goddesses were the ones who kicked them into the Twilight realm, by creating the Light Beasts.

Within the game itself we know that Impa was the one to seal Bongo Bongo in the well, and we also know that she founded the village. The village is clearly younger than the war, considering it's still in active construction when we first see it. It isn't much of a stretch to then suggest the well was sealed off recently, which means Bongo Bongo was still in power recently, which suggests his temple would still be in use recently.

The Village was a Sheikah village before opened it up though, so pretty sure its from the civil war.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Koko the Gorilla passed away.

I am sad.

 

[Deleted member]

Koko the Gorilla passed away.

I am sad.

Who is KoKo the Gorilla?
Also awww...

 

[vaanrose]

I'm probably misreading something here, but are you hinting that the Dark Interlopers caused the civil war before OoT. Cause if so, pretty sure the Interlopers can't be, since the Goddesses were the ones who kicked them into the Twilight realm, by creating the Light Beasts.

I'm outright stating it. It's a pretty common reading of the narrative, I'm not the first to suggest it. The pre-tear Evil Eye being adorned on their architecture and on the Fused Shadow created by the goddesses directly to seal their power hints at a pre-OoT placement of those events.

 

[praline]

Within the game itself we know that Impa was the one to seal Bongo Bongo in the well, and we also know that she founded the village. The village is clearly younger than the war, considering it's still in active construction when we first see it. It isn't much of a stretch to then suggest the well was sealed off recently, which means Bongo Bongo was still in power recently, which suggests his temple would still be in use recently.

Your theories are really good. I wanna hear more!

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Who is KoKo the Gorilla?
Also awww...

She was a gorilla who mastered sign language and was world famous for breaking down the barrier of communication between apes and humans and used as one of the key ''Animals can be highly intelligent" examples. She was friends with celebrities like Robin Williams and Mr. Rogers, etc.

She was so intelligent and understood grief so well that she apparently cried when Robin Williams passed away.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I found out the reason I still have to do maintenance work, as well as being department head and cashier, is because the other maintainance guy quit.

And the new guy hired has been calling out

 

[Deleted member]

"**** man, I'm talking too much about Griffith on this at this rate my whole assignment will be about him... OH I MIGHT BE ONTO SOMETHING!"
I love when I have these epiphanies that give me motivation to actually do ****.

Your theories are really good. I wanna hear more!

Petition to have Vaan write MatPat's theories

 

[Starlight_Lily]

I'm outright stating it. It's a pretty common reading of the narrative, I'm not the first to suggest it. The pre-tear Evil Eye being adorned on their architecture and on the Fused Shadow created by the goddesses directly to seal their power hints at a pre-OoT placement of those events.

Ah okay. I just find it hard to buy that the Interlopers are the Shiekah, since Twilight Princess outright states the Goddesses got involved and booted them to into the Twilight realm, and it seems pretty clear to me the Dark Interloper conflict happened well before the civil war in OoT's backstory.

And since the Triforce is no longer common knowledge in OoT is all, I find it even harder to buy.

 

[praline]

"**** man, I'm talking too much about Griffith on this at this rate my whole assignment will be about him... OH I MIGHT BE ONTO SOMETHING!"
I love when I have these epiphanies that give me motivation to actually do ****.

Petition to have Vaan write MatPat's theories

Petition for vaan to replace MatPat completely.

 

[Natz~]

Petition for vaan to replace MatPat completely.

seconded

 

[Substitution]

Wait
wait
hold on
we need to test Vaan

vaanrose How tall is Wario?

 

[ChikoLad]

Just bought Bayonetta for less than €7 on the Steam Summer Sale.

Not sure if I'll play it right now but hopefully it won't give me any issues like Sonic Forces, which I am now reinstalling because for some reason the audio broke along with the controller issue.

SEGA PC ports are such a coin flip.

 

[Zinith]

Just bought Bayonetta for less than €7 on the Steam Summer Sale.

Not sure if I'll play it right now but hopefully it won't give me any issues like Sonic Forces, which I am now reinstalling because for some reason the audio broke along with the controller issue.

SEGA PC ports are such a coin flip.

Oh boy, you're in for a roller coaster ride...

 

[Deleted member]

She was a gorilla who mastered sign language and was world famous for breaking down the barrier of communication between apes and humans and used as one of the key ''Animals can be highly intelligent" examples. She was friends with celebrities like Robin Williams and Mr. Rogers, etc.

She was so intelligent and understood grief so well that she apparently cried when Robin Williams passed away.

OH I HEARD OF KOKO!
Koko was a really cool ape!
Yes I am sad she is dead.

Also my dad just got me my own Nintendo Switch so I do not have to use the dirty other Nintendo Switch.
I love my dad.

 

[Wario Bros.]

Finished the main story of the Octo Expansion and now have dem Octolings!

Spoiler

I was pleased with Marina's backstory in this, which one of the reasons I was really excited for this expansion. The final battle was pretty strange yet very interesting.

But still got a big number of missions left but putting it aside for now as I need to get ready for the Donkey Kong Adventure for Mario + Rabbids this Tuesday (followed by Cresh Bendycute the following week).

Veemo!

 

[Deleted member]

Wait
wait
hold on
we need to test Vaan

vaanrose How tall is Wario?

That is a little smaller than I thought, but pretty accurate according to my perspective overall.

 

[praline]

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That is a little smaller than I thought, but pretty accurate according to my perspective overall.

Nah man he’s 10 feet tall.