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[Cyn]

This is one of the stranger debates I have witnessed on here. Opossum , I'm curious, what are your thoughts on having predatory pets that require live food?

 

[Deleted member]

Have I been liking less posts recently? Just curious.
Opossum is the animal hero, oh my goodness.

 

[Opossum]

This is one of the stranger debates I have witnessed on here. Opossum , I'm curious, what are your thoughts on having predatory pets that require live food?

Personally, I'd never be able to own one. I love snakes, and I think they're adorable, but I think the same of rats. Likewise with bearded dragons and crickets.

That being said, I don't fault someone for owning one at all, since they're out in the world anyway and someone should give them a happy life. But I also think it's sad, still, for the feeder animals. But at the end of the day they need to eat something and are reliant on people to give them food. The same could be said for zoos since they are helping animal conservation, but obviously some animals need live prey.

It's a greater good type of thing. There's a net positive from the actions above, or at the very least one that's neutral. In the crow/rabbit example, nothing is lost from saving the rabbit, as the crow has other readily available food sources, but the rabbit's life is gained, so it's a net positive.

To elaborate on the pet thing though, if anyone, I'd fault the one who bred them and sold them to the pet shop, but that's mainly due to my distaste for pet breeding when so many pets are in need of homes in shelters. Similarly, I'd never fault someone for owning a pug. They deserve love like any dog. But you better believe I would judge someone who breeds pugs, because their genetic defects lower their quality of life. But that's another discussion entirely.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Have I been liking less posts recently? Just curious.

My alert box says no.

 

[Aetheri]

And if food is food, it can find it somewhere else. As a human, I can make that decision for the crow, because according to "the laws of nature," I'm ABOVE it.

Hell yeah I would. Frogs are great. And they also scream, just like rabbits. It's not a matter of "how far down the chain would you go to stop caring." I wouldn't save an earthworm, more than likely, because I'd have no idea it was going after one, because worms don't scream. But if I saw a worm on the sidewalk and a sparrow or something was hopping toward it? Hell yeah I'd startle the sparrow and save the worm. It's a matter of knowing something is in trouble, knowing you are able to help, and acting on it.

BREAKING NEWS: Marsupial breaks into local pet store and releases all crickets...

 

[Deleted member]

My alert box says no.

Can I see this alert box of yours?
I fear of getting like-disabled.

BREAKING NEWS: Marsupial breaks into local pet store and releases all crickets...

*Opossum cares for them so that they do not get eaten by birds and lets them go into a lush area with no predators at sight*

 

[Opossum]

BREAKING NEWS: Marsupial breaks into local pet store and releases all crickets...

I'll never feel ashamed for having empathy, if that's what you're trying to accomplish.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

This is one of the stranger debates I have witnessed on here. Opossum , I'm curious, what are your thoughts on having predatory pets that require live food?

Speaking about that, feeding my snake has stared to get really annoying seeing how the only store that cells live rats is miles away, and I cant give it frozen because hes a constrictor and was raised on Live feed

*Opossum cares for them so that they do not get eaten by birds and lets them go into a lush area with no predators at sight*

I mean, tons of stuff eats crickets also, lizards, frogs, rats, bats, shrews, the list goes on

 

[Holder of the Heel]

I'll never feel ashamed for having empathy, if that's what you're trying to accomplish.

I believe his point is that if you do in fact believe that knowing animals are in danger means you ought to save them, you'd be doing far more than what you just happen to stumble upon, because you know that things are in danger of being eaten all over the world.

 

[Deleted member]

Food Chain is a thing, and I don't think we should interfere with it. Some animals are gonna have to eat other animals eventually, it's inevitable.
Interfering with it usually results in more bad than good. It's not just about food, it's also about populational control, predators keeping their prey's population in check is one of the most important consequences it brings.

 

[Aetheri]

I'll never feel ashamed for having empathy, if that's what you're trying to accomplish.

No...All I'm saying is, you can feel empathy for predators as well...

The crow may come off as a jerk by our societal standards, but he's just trying to get a meal...

 

[Deleted member]

Tbh, I'd be pretty mad if someone slapped me for trying to eat a sandwich and told me that there's plenty of food avaible in the trash.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Can I see this alert box of yours?
I fear of getting like-disabled.

Here you go.

Spoiler

 

[Opossum]

I believe his point is that if you do in fact believe that knowing animals are in danger means you ought to save them, you'd be doing far more than what you just happen to stumble upon, because you know that things are in danger of being eaten all over the world.

And that's where legality comes into play.

You know how badly I feel when I need to do some shopping and the cheese section is right by the lobster tank? It ruins my day. And then it gets ruined again when I have to buy cheese again and they're gone all because some ass hat couldn't settle for imitation. And then I can't sleep that night because one of them looked at me. It was scared.

If "Destruction of Property" and "Theft" weren't things that applied to me, you bet your bottom dollar I'd bash open the tank and steal them (because paying for them would only further fuel the lobster industry) and drive two hours away to toss them in the ocean. But that happens to be illegal. And if I'm in jail I can't provide for my cats. Then my cats die, and I don't want my cats to die because I love my cats.

So I help when I legally and physically can, and it pains me when I can't. Is that so wrong?

 

[Mythra]

IM ****ING THROWING MY ****IN' MONEY TO THE MOTHER****ING SCREEN BUT ****EN NOTHING IS ****UN HAPPENING.

『ゼノブレイド2』より「ヒカリ」スケールフィギュア化決定です！彩色原型も初公開◎続報をどうぞお楽しみに～！ #ゼノブレイド2 #nintendo #goodsmile #wf2018w https://t.co/vovZTI1Ky7 pic.twitter.com/sQHKMFOqlO

— カホタン＠グッスマのすみっこ (@gsc_kahotan) February 18, 2018

 

[AndreaAC]

BAH NO ONE SEEMS TO GET IT YOU DARN USERS

I will never be good at roasting, keep that in mind. I am horrible at making jokes in real life and in here.
Thanks.

And one of them is sarcasm. xD I'm not fan of it IRL, and I have gotten that here plenty of times, but it's not that bad. Don't worry about it.

 

[Deleted member]

IM ****ING THROWING MY ****IN' MONEY TO THE MOTHER****ING SCREEN BUT ****EN NOTHING IS ****UN HAPPENING.

『ゼノブレイド2』より「ヒカリ」スケールフィギュア化決定です！彩色原型も初公開◎続報をどうぞお楽しみに～！ #ゼノブレイド2 #nintendo #goodsmile #wf2018w https://t.co/vovZTI1Ky7 pic.twitter.com/sQHKMFOqlO

— カホタン＠グッスマのすみっこ (@gsc_kahotan) February 18, 2018

Give me that.

Here you go.

Spoiler

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WOAH there, I need to calm down on the liking.

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And one of them is sarcasm. xD I'm not fan of it IRL, and I have gotten that here plenty of times, but it's not that bad. Don't worry about it.

Thanks on the advice.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

IM ****ING THROWING MY ****IN' MONEY TO THE MOTHER****ING SCREEN BUT ****EN NOTHING IS ****UN HAPPENING.

『ゼノブレイド2』より「ヒカリ」スケールフィギュア化決定です！彩色原型も初公開◎続報をどうぞお楽しみに～！ #ゼノブレイド2 #nintendo #goodsmile #wf2018w https://t.co/vovZTI1Ky7 pic.twitter.com/sQHKMFOqlO

— カホタン＠グッスマのすみっこ (@gsc_kahotan) February 18, 2018

Ignoring the obvious focus points, Its a nice figure, I especially love the sword and her hair looks amazing too

 

[Cyn]

Personally, I'd never be able to own one. I love snakes, and I think they're adorable, but I think the same of rats. Likewise with bearded dragons and crickets.

That being said, I don't fault someone for owning one at all, since they're out in the world anyway and someone should give them a happy life. But I also think it's sad, still, for the feeder animals. But at the end of the day they need to eat something and are reliant on people to give them food. The same could be said for zoos since they are helping animal conservation, but obviously some animals need live prey.

It's a greater good type of thing. There's a net positive from the actions above, or at the very least one that's neutral. In the crow/rabbit example, nothing is lost from saving the rabbit, as the crow has other readily available food sources, but the rabbit's life is gained, so it's a net positive.

To elaborate on the pet thing though, if anyone, I'd fault the one who bred them and sold them to the pet shop, but that's mainly due to my distaste for pet breeding when so many pets are in need of homes in shelters. Similarly, I'd never fault someone for owning a pug. They deserve love like any dog. But you better believe I would judge someone who breeds pugs, because their genetic defects lower their quality of life. But that's another discussion entirely.

Happy is subjective, but I know what you mean.

I don't mean this in any way to take a side against you or anything, but I must pose a question; how do we know if nothing is lost from saving the rabbit? Granted, as you said you were on a college campus, but from what you've said, you would do the same if you were in the wild. I assume I am correct in that assumption. Now let's assume, for argument sake, we are in the wild and you saved the rabbit....how then would you know that by denying the bird its prey, you are keeping a newly hatched chick somewhere from getting a meal and it is on the brink of starvation?

I guess my point is, we cannot be sure of how far reaching the consequences are when we interfere with nature.

That said, I always root for the prey in nature shows.

 

[Deleted member]

And that's where legality comes into play.

You know how badly I feel when I need to do some shopping and the cheese section is right by the lobster tank? It ruins my day. And then it gets ruined again when I have to buy cheese again and they're gone all because some *** hat couldn't settle for imitation. And then I can't sleep that night because one of them looked at me. It was scared.

If "Destruction of Property" and "Theft" weren't things that applied to me, you bet your bottom dollar I'd bash open the tank and steal them (because paying for them would only further fuel the lobster industry) and drive two hours away to toss them in the ocean. But that happens to be illegal. And if I'm in jail I can't provide for my cats. Then my cats die, and I don't want my cats to die because I love my cats.

So I help when I legally and physically can, and it pains me when I can't. Is that so wrong?

I should be sleeping but instead I did this

 

[Deleted member]

Happy is subjective, but I know what you mean.

I don't mean this in any way to take a side against you or anything, but I must pose a question; how do we know if nothing is lost from saving the rabbit? Granted, as you said you were on a college campus, but from what you've said, you would do the same if you were in the wild. I assume I am correct in that assumption. Now let's assume, for argument sake, we are in the wild and you saved the rabbit....how then would you know that by denying the bird its prey, you are keeping a newly hatched chick somewhere from getting a meal and it is on the brink of starvation?

She makes a really good point. It can be really hard if you want to take away a rabbit out of the eco-system, as that can harm the other forces that you like. It is nice to save, but be very careful and gentle with the eco-system. You could leave the eco-system alone I guess.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

She makes a really good point. It can be really hard if you want to take away a rabbit out of the eco-system, as that can harm the other forces that you like. It is nice to save, but be very careful and gentle with the eco-system. You could leave the eco-system alone I guess.

I like to remeber that if you save an animal that was already over populateing the land, example, rabbits, you are just letting the rabbits continue to overpopulate and are stopping the natural order of the world to control said overpopulating by stopping a rabbit from getting eaten

 

[mario123007]

IM ****ING THROWING MY ****IN' MONEY TO THE MOTHER****ING SCREEN BUT ****EN NOTHING IS ****UN HAPPENING.

『ゼノブレイド2』より「ヒカリ」スケールフィギュア化決定です！彩色原型も初公開◎続報をどうぞお楽しみに～！ #ゼノブレイド2 #nintendo #goodsmile #wf2018w https://t.co/vovZTI1Ky7 pic.twitter.com/sQHKMFOqlO

— カホタン＠グッスマのすみっこ (@gsc_kahotan) February 18, 2018

Quote from Rex:
Whoa! Nice!

Now I am wishing for Brighid, Newt, and Nia figures.

 

[Mythra]

This is The Sun

Wait there's more:

Un repaso a las figuras mostradas en el Wonder Festival 2018 Winter: Mythra, Inkling, Guardián, Pokémon, Kirby y más - https://t.co/FKDj7Yfwcl pic.twitter.com/5Bci5owM7b

— Nintenderos (@Nintenderos) February 18, 2018

Female Inkling Figma, like 4 Lillies and...

Spoiler: XC2 Chapter 5

ARTIFICE SIREN

 

[Ura]

All animals are worth protecting. Except cats. **** cats.

Bad opinion alert.

Cats > Dogs any day of the week. Fight me.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

This is The Sun



Wait there's more:

Un repaso a las figuras mostradas en el Wonder Festival 2018 Winter: Mythra, Inkling, Guardián, Pokémon, Kirby y más - https://t.co/FKDj7Yfwcl pic.twitter.com/5Bci5owM7b

— Nintenderos (@Nintenderos) February 18, 2018

Female Inkling Figma, like 4 Lillies and...

Spoiler: XC2 Chapter 5

ARTIFICE SIREN

Ooooh **** mother****ing Gary Oak!

 

[Deleted member]

This is The Sun



Wait there's more:

Un repaso a las figuras mostradas en el Wonder Festival 2018 Winter: Mythra, Inkling, Guardián, Pokémon, Kirby y más - https://t.co/FKDj7Yfwcl pic.twitter.com/5Bci5owM7b

— Nintenderos (@Nintenderos) February 18, 2018

Female Inkling Figma, like 4 Lillies and...

Spoiler: XC2 Chapter 5

ARTIFICE SIREN

Those statues look solid, oh my goodness.
Good work from Nintendo!

 

[mario123007]

This is The Sun

Just add Brighid and I'm good.

 

[Opossum]

Happy is subjective, but I know what you mean.

I don't mean this in any way to take a side against you or anything, but I must pose a question; how do we know if nothing is lost from saving the rabbit? Granted, as you said you were on a college campus, but from what you've said, you would do the same if you were in the wild. I assume I am correct in that assumption. Now let's assume, for argument sake, we are in the wild and you saved the rabbit....how then would you know that by denying the bird its prey, you are keeping a newly hatched chick somewhere from getting a meal and it is on the brink of starvation?

I guess my point is, we cannot be sure of how far reaching the consequences are when we interfere with nature.

That said, I always root for the prey in nature shows.

And in that scenario, it's a much tougher call. But in the end, I think my main thing comes down to not being able to handle seeing or hearing things suffering. So I'd probably still save the rabbit and take the risk with the possible fledgling crow, simply because the former was suffering there and then. But if it killed it before I could get to it, I wouldn't deprive it of it or anything. I'd be upset, but to deprive it at that point would mean the rabbit died for nothing.

That's not to say "out of sight, out of mind" is an ideal philosophy to live by, but it's the most beneficial for my own mental health, and I can't afford to lose that when I have cats that depend on me.

So I guess that's my justification.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Stop pretending like the crow was innocent and starving with no other recourse. And "it's just nature" is the laziest cop out response imaginable.

You're applying human morals to animals.

Answer me this.

What's healthier for the crow? Fresh meat or old meat thrown out by a college (aka past its prime and non fit for human consumption)? Why shouldn't the crow eat something that gives it the highest chance of being healthy? Are you saying the crow should suffer or have a less healthy life just so that other animals can live? You ever think crows go to trash cans and other places like that because they haven't found anything else worth eating? You don't know what was going through the crow's mind or what was happening in its life so why are you assuming it could have done something better?

If you're going to brag about having empathy for the animal kingdom, you can't just pick and choose which animals get more empathy.

I don't like bobbit worms, but I still want them to eat and be healthy. And I realize that means fish have to die in gruesome ways.

That's my main point of contention here.

You say you have empathy and yes you saved the baby bunny, but you're refusing to look at the big picture.

The crow is not evil or in the wrong. And if you truly believe it is, you don't have nearly as much empathy as you think you do. Because if you did, you'd understand that the crow is just doing what crows do. You can't get upset at a predator for going after prey and you can't assume animals operate with the same moral parameters we do. It's not a cop out. It's an unfortunate rule of life.

You can't fault an animal for being an animal.

What happened to the bunnies was bad, but the crow wasn't bad for doing it.

 

[Cyn]

And in that scenario, it's a much tougher call. But in the end, I think my main thing comes down to not being able to handle seeing or hearing things suffering. So I'd probably still save the rabbit and take the risk with the possible fledgling crow, simply because the former was suffering there and then. But if it killed it before I could get to it, I wouldn't deprive it of it or anything. I'd be upset, but to deprive it at that point would mean the rabbit died for nothing.

That's not to say "out of sight, out of mind" is an ideal philosophy to live by, but it's the most beneficial for my own mental health, and I can't afford to lose that when I have cats that depend on me.

So I guess that's my justification.

Fair enough. I just wanted to understand your point of view/motivations better. Thank you for indulging me.

 

[Opossum]

You're applying human morals to animals.

Answer me this.

What's healthier for the crow? Fresh meat or old meat thrown out by a college (aka past its prime and non fit for human consumption)? Why shouldn't the crow eat something that gives it the highest chance of being healthy? Are you saying the crow should suffer just so that other animals can live? You ever think crows go to trash cans and other places like that because they haven't found anything else worth eating? You don't know what was going through the crow's mind or what was happening in its life so why are you assuming it could have done something better?

If you're going to brag about having empathy for the animal kingdom, you can't just pick and choose which animals get more empathy.

I don't like bobbit worms, but I still want them to eat and be healthy. And I realize that means fish have to die in gruesome ways.

That's my main point of contention here.

You say you have empathy and yes you saved the baby bunny, but you're refusing to look at the big picture.

The crow is not evil or in the wrong. And if you truly believe it is, you don't have nearly as much empathy as you think you do. Because if you did, you'd understand that the crow is just doing what crows do. You can't get upset at a predator for going after prey and you can't assume animals operate with the same moral parameters we do. It's not a cop out. It's an unfortunate rule of life.

You can't fault an animal for being an animal.

What happened to the bunnies was bad, but the crow wasn't bad for doing it.

Never did I say the crow was evil for doing it. Don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Deleted member]

You're applying human morals to animals.

Answer me this.

What's healthier for the crow? Fresh meat or old meat thrown out by a college (aka past its prime and non fit for human consumption)? Why shouldn't the crow eat something that gives it the highest chance of being healthy? Are you saying the crow should suffer just so that other animals can live? You ever think crows go to trash cans and other places like that because they haven't found anything else worth eating? You don't know what was going through the crow's mind or what was happening in its life so why are you assuming it could have done something better?

If you're going to brag about having empathy for the animal kingdom, you can't just pick and choose which animals get more empathy.

I don't like bobbit worms, but I still want them to eat and be healthy. And I realize that means fish have to die in gruesome ways.

That's my main point of contention here.

You say you have empathy and yes you saved the baby bunny, but you're refusing to look at the big picture.

The crow is not evil or in the wrong. And if you truly believe it is, you don't have nearly as much empathy as you think you do. Because if you did, you'd understand that the crow is just doing what crows do. You can't get upset at a predator for going after prey and you can't assume animals operate with the same moral parameters we do. It's not a cop out. It's an unfortunate rule of life.

You can't fault an animal for being an animal.

What happened to the bunnies was bad, but the crow wasn't bad for doing it.

This.
The Crow is not committing a crime of eating that baby rabbit. It is doing what it's made instincts are, to survive. Let mother-nature take it's course. Cyndane stated that what if the baby birds died because the mother never got that rabbit?
I do appreciate your effort on protecting animals, so try to join some kind of group ( Not PETA ) that serves as an animal protection site.
Edit:

Never did I say the crow was evil for doing it. Don't put words in my mouth.

Ah, okay.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Never did I say the crow was evil for doing it. Don't put words in my mouth.

don't give me the whole "the crow did nothing wrong" bull ****.

Stop pretending like the crow was innocent and starving with no other recourse.

You're coming real freaking close.

If the crow isn't "innocent" and "did something wrong" then what is it?

Cause Opo, it does thing "bad thing" almost every day.

 

[Chrono.]

This is The Sun



Wait there's more:

Un repaso a las figuras mostradas en el Wonder Festival 2018 Winter: Mythra, Inkling, Guardián, Pokémon, Kirby y más - https://t.co/FKDj7Yfwcl pic.twitter.com/5Bci5owM7b

— Nintenderos (@Nintenderos) February 18, 2018

Female Inkling Figma, like 4 Lillies and...

Spoiler: XC2 Chapter 5

ARTIFICE SIREN

Small brain: Pyra statue
Big brain: Mythra statue
State of Enlightenment: S I R E N B O Y S

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Just to clarify Opossum

I'm not against you saving the bunny. That was good.

I'm against you implying that the crow was in the wrong.

 

[Deleted member]

At least Opo saved the bunny.

Small brain: Pyra statue
Big brain: Mythra statue
State of Enlightenment: S I R E N B O Y S

S I R E N B O Y S
Am I Enlightened yet?

You're coming real freaking close.

Woah, the raviolis are getting a little spicier.

If the crow isn't "innocent" and "did something wrong" then what is it?

Cause Opo, it does thing "bad thing" almost every day.

I think this point has been proven multiple times, but what we are trying to say is that the crow is not doing a crime. It is doing what it is built to do. It is the balance of the ecosystem, the circle of life.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

S I R E N B O Y S
Am I Enlightened yet?

All you did was repeat a joke.

You're not enlightened when you're being a bandwagon, because the person you follow is in front of you, covering your eyes from the light.

 

[Cyn]

You're not enlightened when you're being a bandwagon, because the person you follow is in front of you, covering your eyes from the light.

I have a little light on my keychain. It works in a pinch.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I have a little light on my keychain. It works in a pinch.

The only "light" I have on my keychain is a laser pointer...

I feel poor