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[Mythra]

Book II - Chapter 9 has some intense dialogues:

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How so?
Because of her bust? Lol

Yep

 

[Metal Shop X]

Book II - Chapter 9 has some intense dialogues:

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Yep

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I see that "increasing groans of discomfort" is having some competitions now.

 

[Delzethin]

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If you need me, I'll be over there, mourning the loss of 41 orbs spent in exhange for scant skill fodder and a bunch of duds.

Two Raighs, a Seliph, a -Atk Hana, and an Est were involved.

 

[Jojalole]

Oh my god we're getting played, I can't believe I didn't realize this

Spoiler: FEH book 2 - Chapter 9

When you meet Ylgr, first that the explanation of "I just escaped!" she gave was stupid. Then the introductions start, but Fjorm starts coughing before they can end them. And when Ylgr says she wants to accompany you... She calls you by your name. Even though no one has told her your name.

SHE'S LOKI, THIS IS NOT GOOD, RIP THE ASKRIAN TROOPS!

And another important note, Shigure got demoted to 4 star! Wo Dao lance in the 4 star pool is great, and we got a brand new A skill in the 4 star pool in the form of Darting Stance even though it's a horrible skill. Really happy about his demotion, will be looking forward to pull him for my Catria.

 

[redfeatherraven]

Spoiler: FEH book 2 - Chapter 9

It seems that only Surtr and Loki are truly evil after all, I can see everyone else joining the Askrian troops.

Nice Lene, brah. Beats mine.

Spoiler: FEH book 2 - Chapter 9

God I hope so.

I know they're building Helbindi up to be a classic Jerk with a Heart of Gold, probably using Ylgr as a Morality Pet, but frankly I kind of like that combo and she's right, he doesn't seem as bad as he appears.

Don't know where I'd put him, but I'd run him on principle.

Oh my god we're getting played, I can't believe I didn't realize this

...oh.

Oh ****.

Oh biddies tiddies you're right.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Time to cause a ****storm

Someone linked this in a discord server yesterday and it's a good watch. Also showed me **** like Morag which I had no opinion of prior and now look at in a good way
Some bad words are said (Such as the R slur) but they're read as comments from an article and not said because the video maker wanted to

 

[Metal Shop X]

Time to cause a ****storm

Someone linked this in a discord server yesterday and it's a good watch. Also showed me **** like Morag which I had no opinion of prior and now look at in a good way
Some bad words are said (Such as the R slur) but they're read as comments from an article and not said because the video maker wanted to

I'm still watching the video, but I have two thing to say:

1) He actually confused Finch as a male, that's funny.
2) As someone who love Malos, there is like quit a few scene where the pose he have and the way the camera show him make for some....well, let's say "nice ass" shot.

So, I guess someone in the dev team wanted to give the female audience something to look at whatever Malos was here?

Also, I don't know if he make a point about it, but the bromance between Malos & Jin is something noteworthy to the topic imo. Though, not going over the detail because there be some big spoilers.

 

[Deleted member]

Okay. The new banner is out.
I will be back with you all for a moment.

 

[Deleted member]

Cranky has always been our spirit animal all along.

 

[Deleted member]

So. Is Ares, Lene and all Ishtar top tier?
Which one is the best out of them?

 

[PLATINUM7]

So a new golden Famicom mini is releasing to celebrate the 50th anniversary of Weekly Shonen Jump.

Goku's chances for Smash just got a whole lot bigger

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Well, I don't know.

Saving this.

Aparently red is an eldritch horror.

On that note, Darkest Dungeon is getting another DLC mode based off concepts from the Lovecraft story The Color out of Space.

Please buy this game. Misery loves company.

How much money did you get from this shameless ad? :V

Well, that's more that what I asked for, but I'll definitely take it! A brand new dancer for the team, now I have 5 dancers. And she's got extremely good IV's too, +Spd -Res! Does anyone know how to build her? I'll probably give her Fury to make her more bulky, keep blazing dance and give her fortify res or defense. What I don't know is what's the better refine for her weapon is, speed or defense? With +Speed and Fury she already has 41 speed, I think that's enough to avoid doubles, and the defense refine would make her more bulky to try survive on the battlefield. But maybe the extra speed is more useful, I really don't know.

I say build her like you'd build an Olivia.

So. Is Ares, Lene and all Ishtar top tier?
Which one is the best out of them?

Ishtar is the best with little inheritance and investment.

Ares can break the game with the right builds.

Lene is a Dancer.

In other words, they're all top tier for their own reasons.

 

[redfeatherraven]

I say build her like you'd build an Olivia.

So a no SI dance-bot?

Cause so far that's where my Olivia train's rolling to.

 

[Deleted member]

Saving this.


How much money did you get from this shameless ad? :V


I say build her like you'd build an Olivia.


Ishtar is the best with little inheritance and investment.

Ares can break the game with the right builds.

Lene is a Dancer.

In other words, they're all top tier for their own reasons.

Ooo.... Ares interests me the most.
But those two would be nice as well.

 

[mario123007]

Time to cause a ****storm

Someone linked this in a discord server yesterday and it's a good watch. Also showed me **** like Morag which I had no opinion of prior and now look at in a good way
Some bad words are said (Such as the R slur) but they're read as comments from an article and not said because the video maker wanted to

I was never planning to post that because well. Even if the video is being mainly objective I aware plenty of you guys will be biased on this S video.
Well for me watching this whole video just gives ves me a headache. For you when you agreed with his stance obviously think it is good. But many points he mentioned I already give my explanation to most of them already.. .Sort of.

This is what I said in the comments section:

One thing I never get in this long essay video is you never seem to address that Japanese have a different viewpoints when it comes to sexualization of females, and also why does sexualization has to be tied with the character's personality?
In my opinion, we should take sexualization and fanservice like salt, I like some of it in my food but I don't like it if that's my only food.
I mean you have good (But some are a bit far off) points but I hope you can either make the video shorter or make it in parts.
Also I personally like Adene's design as well, but not because "it isn't sexualized" and the discussion of "which design is the best" can be differ from person to person, it has nothing to do with sexualization. I personally like Blades such as Newt not only because of her design but also her attitude, and then there's Wulfric not only because he has a good-giant personality and his Blade quest is good and he is useful when it comes to field skills.
Also some HtH dialogue are actually toned down after being localized... Especially that Tora, Brighid and Pyra HtH you just mentioned... I highly suggests you check Censorship Gaming's video about XC2 localization. It's Japanese text makes so much sense.
And then when discussing Nia and then later Morag you compared her to Newt is also a bit unfair, when Morag is a main character whereas Newt is not only an optional rare Blade you can get, she isn't in the main story line. Therefore while you comparing their designs isn't wrong despite I still think you shouldn't tie designs with personality. Comparing a main character and a character that you aren't even guarantee to get... Just not worth of comparing in my opinion. Again I know this is a case study on sexualization, but you have to understand the character's roles before doing the comparison.
This video to some extent is a bit pointless as a case study, but I also think you aren't really looking this into a bigger scope, or at least being a bit neutral when it comes to sexualization if you are really doing a case study. just my thoughts.
Here's an article I found that not very convincing for those like you I still found this article well written.
https://www.usgamer.net/articles/xenoblade-chronicles-2-pyra-review-followup

Tl;dr
Good video, but only looking at XC2 is really an undershoot if he really thinks over sexualization of females in video games is a problem. And yes, there are many...

I'm still watching the video, but I have two thing to say:

1) He actually confused Finch as a male, that's funny.
2) As someone who love Malos, there is like quit a few scene where the pose he have and the way the camera show him make for some....well, let's say "nice ***" shot.

So, I guess someone in the dev team wanted to give the female audience something to look at whatever Malos was here?

Also, I don't know if he make a point about it, but the bromance between Malos & Jin is something noteworthy to the topic imo. Though, not going over the detail because there be some big spoilers.

Let us forget Malos here... For a sec

Doesn't he aware that rare Blade are uh.. Ya know... Optional?

Comparing No. 4 to Newt is heavily unfair, one a main character and one is a rare Blade you probably never gonna get and not required to complete the story.

Don't get me and him wrong though. Like I said the video is well built and he isn't using the topic to bash XC2 (even like though his conclusiond were pretty hollow...) From his response to me and at the end of the video he liked the game but consider the sexualization a problem.. Hm.. This does not compute... If he clarifys the video is his own opinion then I bet he will get less dislikes.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Ooo.... Ares interests me the most.

Honestly, both Ishtar and Ares can be absolutely ridiculous.

Especially Ishtar due to the sheer amount of stat boosts she can have.

52 of attack (58 in odd turns) and 46 of speed, without any merges, IV alteration, sacred seal, support or buffs from allies is downright STUPID.

Ares was already explained by Ivander the other day. Basically, he can spam AoE specials, which basically makes him worse than mage Reinhardt when it comes to player phase nukes.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly, both Ishtar and Ares can be absolutely ridiculous.

Especially Ishtar due to the sheer amount of stat boosts she can have.

52 of attack (58 in odd turns) and 46 of speed, without any merges, IV alteration, sacred seal, support or buffs from allies is downright STUPID.

Ares was already explained by Ivander the other day. Basically, he can spam AoE specials, which basically makes him worse than mage Reinhardt when it comes to player phase nukes.

O_O
That is scary.
Are they Ayra top tier though?

 

[redfeatherraven]

O_O
That is scary.
Are they Ayra top tier though?

I haven't done all the math but...

Yeah, probably.

 

[Deleted member]

I haven't done all the math but...

Yeah, probably.

Dang.
Got to catch them all.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

O_O
That is scary.
Are they Ayra top tier though?

Ishtar? No. While her stats can be insanity, she's only optimal when she initiates an attack on odd-numbered turns, so about 25% of the time. Though 52 attack on even-numbered turns isn't something you should sleep on either. But either way, she's pretty frail if she's the one who's being attacked, so she's beatable. I'd say she's definitely one of the best blue mages alongside VaLyntine and Magehardt, but not Ayra levels of good.

Ares follows the same logic as Magehardt and the mentionned-above Ishtar; take him down before it's his turn to make a move. But his sheer amount of potential, combined with the ability to spam an AoE special every time he initiates an attack, allowing him to potentially cause a lot of unblockable damage on multiple foes at once repeatedly... Yeah, Ares is probably Ayra levels of good.

 

[Metal Shop X]

So, FEH players out there.

How is my man Helbindi? From what I read, he is actually quit similar to Vandham beside their designs, they aren't the same of course, but I wonder how peoples feel about him.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Done with the plot

Spoiler: Book II, Chapter 9

Fjorm having a cold is still insanely ironic and the fact that they put emphasis on it means she might die from it. That ain't good at all...

Really liking Helbindi as a character. He tries to look as menacing as possible, but he's got a real sweet side to him. Doing whatever he can so he and his little sister can survive in the harsh lands of Muspell. Even if it means listening to someone like Surtr. Potential betrayal, maybe?

Speaking of Yglr... how did she know the summoner's name when it was never mentionned to her? ... ... Wait a ****ing second! Oh god... OH GOD! SHE'S LOKI! SHE'S ****ING LOKI!

 

[Wario Bros.]

Uggghh... I slept like **** last night.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

So, FEH players out there.

How is my man Helbindi? From what I read, he is actually quit similar to Vandham beside their designs, they aren't the same of course, but I wonder how peoples feel about him.

Dude's great and has lots of potential.

Which means IS will probably kill him off on the next Chapter.

 

[Metal Shop X]

Dude's great and has lots of potential.

Which means IS will probably kill him off on the next Chapter.

...



Well, let's hope it doesn't happen then....

And if it does, let's hope he become enough popular to stay in the heart of fan and continue to get attention!

But man, if he die...

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I'm going to have a depression for sure.

 

[Deleted member]

I was never planning to post that because well. Even if the video is being mainly objective I aware plenty of you guys will be biased on this S video.
Well for me watching this whole video just gives ves me a headache

And that shows you're biased against it.
You can't complain about bias and then immediatelly feed into it.

One thing I never get in this long essay video is you never seem to address that Japanese have a different viewpoints when it comes to sexualization of females

Because how Japan sees them doesn't matter, a lot of countries have different opinions on certain things but it doesn't mean we have to accept it. I could mention the loli culture in Japan but I can also mention the ****ed up notion of violence in the US and how many of its movies depict violence that would be censored anywhere else.

But coming back to Japan:
Japan has a big problem of a misogynistic culture, "sexuality" being more open in Japan isn't a thing, it's men sexualizing females.
This reminds me of this artist who made her infamously known "***** boat" as a protest against the way Japan treats women's sexualities and was charged for obscenity.
Women in Japan aren't allowed to express their sexuality on their own terms, men are the only ones allowed to do it because they see women as nothing more than objects. The fanservice-y designs are a reflection of Japan's culture, these designs are made by men, for men. You keep talking about how it's not really a bad thing and it's okay but you never really stopped to ask how a woman feels about this. You keep pushing a view that promotes a culture that doesn't harm you in any way, because this has nothing to do with men so of course they're not gonna complain about it, you ever seen male fanservice in Japanese mainstream media? And not "oh he's shirtless", I mean sexualizing them as an object for a woman's pleasure, like fenale designs in media are done.

Tl;dr fanservice designs are a problem because they're a reflection of Japan's misogynistic culture and, unfortunately, it's not an issue exclusive to them.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

...



Well, let's hope it doesn't happen then....

And if it does, let's hope he become enough popular to stay in the heart of fan and continue to get attention!

But man, if he die...

Spoiler

I'm going to have a depression for sure.

To be fair, I was mainly making a joke because of...

Spoiler: Book II spoilers

Gunnthra

I really hope IS doesn't kill him so soon because he's the first one from Muspell we see who isn't a royal and what we learned gives him great anti-villain potential.

 

[Metal Shop X]

To be fair, I was mainly making a joke because of...

Spoiler: Book II spoilers

Gunnthra

I really hope IS doesn't kill him so soon because he's the first one from Muspell we see who isn't a royal and what we learned gives him great anti-villain potential.

Actually, there is another reason as to why I don't want him to die. But that be a big spoiler.

I just want to see memes and fanarts made out of him. His design is soooo cool! And from what you say and what I read, he have so much potential for a cool anti-vilain!

Please IS, don't kill him.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Actually, there is another reason as to why I don't want him to die. But that be a big spoiler.

If it's not Xenoblade 2-related, just put in a spoiler box.

I just want to see memes and fanarts made out of him. His design is soooo cool! And from what you say and what I read, he have so much potential for a cool anti-vilain!

Please IS, don't kill him.

IS: "He doesn't have boobs so he must die."

 

[Metal Shop X]

If it's not Xenoblade 2-related, just put in a spoiler box.


IS: "He doesn't have boobs so he must die."

But he got freakin' beef for muscles!

Also, it's XB2 related.

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Spent 120+ orbs

Pity broken by Olwen. The blue one. Who i already had.

RIP me.

 

[ChikoLad]

Time to cause a ****storm

Someone linked this in a discord server yesterday and it's a good watch. Also showed me **** like Morag which I had no opinion of prior and now look at in a good way
Some bad words are said (Such as the R slur) but they're read as comments from an article and not said because the video maker wanted to

I posted this on r/XenobladeChronicles a while ago and it caused a ****storm lol.

The creator of the video sent me a nice message though. I also like his other videos.

While I don't fully agree with every point, I think it's one of the most objective takes on the subject.

 

[Deleted member]

Best Boy, Birb and Deep Dope confirmed for MHOJ, I'm officially sold on this game
https://gematsu.com/2018/05/my-hero...kage-tokoyami-kyoka-jiro-and-eijiro-kirishima

 

[redfeatherraven]

Spent 180 orbs.

I got all three of them, but their IVs are...well.

Ares: +Def/-Atk. Ishtar: +Spd/-Atk. Lene: +Res/-Spd.

Not unworkable, just disappointing. Hate -Atk banes.

Dude's great and has lots of potential.

Which means IS will probably kill him off on the next Chapter.

Spoiler

I'm not entirely certain he didn't die right then and there.

My money's firmly on no, but it's a bit more ambiguous when you don't call for a retreat and nobody mentioned him getting away.

 

[ChikoLad]

The fanservice-y designs are a reflection of Japan's culture, these designs are made by men, for men.

This isn't actually true in Xenoblade Chronicles 2's case. Some of the designs are actually made by women.

The infamous Dahlia was actually designed by a woman. She also designed Ursula, who is at the complete opposite end of the sexualisation spectrum (i.e. not sexualised at all).

I'm not saying you're completely wrong on your point, but women sexualise women as well.

 

[mario123007]

And that shows you're biased against it.
You can't complain about bias and then immediatelly feed into it.

Ok, yes, but doesn't that just makes us even?
To some degree yeah, but I never consider sexualization a problem. And I give legit and unbiased point rather than being unreasonable, at least that's just what I think ,don't quote me on that.

I complain because this video is titled as a case study, but his topic on XC2 often leads to subjective conclusions.

Because how Japan sees them doesn't matter, a lot of countries have different opinions on certain things but it doesn't mean we have to accept it.

Yes, you don't have to accept but you have to look at it in a bigger scope, and at least try to coordinate with it. Just go straight and bonk it with you head will never get it right in my opinion.

Japan has a big problem of a misogynistic culture, "sexuality" being more open in Japan isn't a thing, it's men sexualizing females.
This reminds me of this artist who made her infamously known "***** boat" as a protest against the way Japan treats women's sexualities and was charged for obscenity.

Ok... I check Chinese wiki (Which has more info)... this was mostly because she well... made that "*****boat" in Japan... and in real Japan society obviously they don't allow that... even if that artist is a male, the artist will still get arrest and probably get more backlash...
And there are actually male individual made change.org to make a request of releasing that female artist because they think it is "killing freedom of speech." This you put doesn't surprised me at all... or have anything to do with misogynistic culture.

All in all, this a publicly display obscene object problem... this isn't even has to do with video games....

Women in Japan aren't allowed to express their sexuality on their own terms, men are the only ones allowed to do it because they see women as nothing more than objects.

If you are talking about video games and other entertainment medias... then I get that.

But in reality/ real life society that's far from the case. I mean, yes women still has a lot of need to have their voice heard on many aspects in social life but video games does nothing to harm them.

The fanservice-y designs are a reflection of Japan's culture, these designs are made by men, for men. You keep talking about how it's not really a bad thing and it's okay but you never really stopped to ask how a woman feels about this.

Yes, for men that are attracted to those female fanservice to be exact.
Ask women eh? Well, if you talking about those who was never into animes and video games, you may disagree on this but gender doesn't matter because even men who doesn't watch anime and video game will think be disgust on fanservice as well. I'll give you that.
So my sis count as a women right? I already ask her...
She "falls over the heels" over Nia, Pyra, and Mythra ad other female rare Blades... and especially... No. 4...

On her Facebook she even mentions she's obsessed with Pyra and Brighid's bust in XC2... even I give an eye roll on her post lol.

Tl;dr fanservice designs are a problem because they're a reflection of Japan's misogynistic culture and, unfortunately, it's not an issue exclusive to them.

But this is Xenoblade Chronicles 2 the video was focusing on. It doesn't have much of that... or fanservice that are explicit..
Sorry for going Rick and Morty here, but please watch the gameplay cutscenes of XC2 before saying its fanservice is a problem.
tl;dr
Fanservice designs in video games are not a problem (If you are talking about heavily influences real life btw), and it has nothing to do with misogynistic...
Korean dramas also have many plots that are somewhat misogynistic in a harsh way...

Let's just time out for a sec as to why even in modern day where video game is an entertainment, but people complain on the aspect where you can avoid... I really don't get it to be honest if it isn't a personal complaint.

If you don't really like fanservice then play games that don't have that, watch animes that don't have that (It's pretty hard though) if fanservice doesn't cause major social issues, then it's not a problem in my opinion.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Spent 180 orbs.

I got all three of them, but their IVs are...well.

Ares: +Def/-Atk. Ishtar: +Spd/-Atk. Lene: +Res/-Spd.

Not unworkable, just disappointing. Hate -Atk banes.

At the very least, speed boon on Ishtar is pretty fantastic, if you ask me.

But yeah, those don’t look great.

 

[mario123007]

I posted this on r/XenobladeChronicles a while ago and it caused a ****storm lol.

The creator of the video sent me a nice message though. I also like his other videos.

While I don't fully agree with every point, I think it's one of the most objective takes on the subject.

Eh, not sure if it really did, I only aware most of the users don't really care about that topic, or just simply disagrees with it.

Same as I, but he also ask me why do I even go back to that video if I think his video was pointless... I meant the topic he was discussing was pointless, not saying the video itself... it was a well made video.

I obviously don't agree with every of his points. He basically puts out many objective points, but his conclusion tend to make no sense and subjective, especially his last conclusion in the video.

 

[Metal Shop X]

To give quickly my two cents on the video that gwen shared, now that I saw fully:

Eh, it wasn't as bad as I thought. The person explain his points pretty well and I do agree on a few points.

However, I'm just not fond at all of those kind of subjects, mostly because I don't believe I can add anything good that doesn't sound like I am bias or somethin'.

Also, while it's true that some character are over-the-top sexy, after 500~ hours and counting, I have come to term with most of the designs I had problems with. I won't defend some of them, but you won't see me complaining about them since that, character design are one of many things that make or break a character for me, and XB2 does a decent job to compensate in other aspect if one doesn't make it for me.

But yeah, now that have been said, can we go back to FEH?

 

[mario123007]

Eh, it wasn't as bad as I thought. The person explain his points pretty well and I do agree on a few points.

However, I'm just not fond at all of those kind of subjects, mostly because I don't believe I can add anything good that doesn't sound like I am bias or somethin'.

Also, while it's true that some character are over-the-top sexy, after 500~ hours and counting, I have come to term with most of the designs I had problems with. I won't defend some of them, but you won't see me complaining about them since them since that, character design are one of many things that make or break a character for me, and XB2 does a decent job to compensate in other aspect if one doesn't make it for me.

I don't know Malos, maybe this is just me but I was disappointed on this video when this video is clearly a case study. While how he brings up his point isn't overall terrible but they don't sound convincing that much... maybe the western audiences do but for people like me and Abadango, who are Asians thinks this video is overlooked on many aspects and even mislinking some designs to a serious social issue that has nothing to do with the game...

I know a lot will think I am getting too deep into this, well not gonna lie the video was again very well made, so that's why I think it is necessary to give proper criticisms to it.