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A: There's a major flaw in this point, you try to relate her to the young girl manaketes, but you're choosing to ignore everything that differentiates her from those characters. Firstly, she doesn't look like a child as her visual age puts her at least older then Nils and around Eliwood/Hector/Lyn, which would means she at most looks like a mid-late teen. Secondly, her personality is different from those characters as all of those that you listed act like young girls, they want to play, they see the protagonist(s) as an older sibling, and relate to the world as they would a kid. Ninian is more akin to Azura (at least story-wise) or Dierdre in terms of her personality, she's reserved, she serves the 'Mysterious Woman' role as she holds the secrets to the plot and exists to move it forward, and due to her similar relative age to the protagonist can develop feelings for and marry them. The only reason to assume that Ninian would be a Loli would be because the other Manakete/Dragon characters have been one, but as we've already had exceptions through those like Corrin and Ena, that's not a good leg to stand on since that means the rule has been broken and doesn't have to remain consistent.Mostly cause:
A: Female Dragons having the appearance of a tiny girl is a tradition. Tiki in the 1st game, Fae in the 6th game, Myrrh in the 8th game, Nowi in the 13th game and Lilith in the 14th game. Ninian looks older than them, but having older-looking characters' age below 15 is child's play for Japan.
B: Blazing Sword was not safe from age bumpers, considering Lyn's age got changed from 15/16 to 18/19 in localized versions. While I don't think Ninian's age was ever revealed to warrant an age change, knowing IS, I wouldn't be surprised in the least if IS made her 13 in a remake and Localization is forced to give her a higher age much like Elise and Sakura. Age of consent and country differences are a pain.
C: Like I said, debatable. Cause we know how much Japan likes to mock our senses when it comes to age. She could be of legal age when it comes to the West, but really, it's Japan. Just like how Japan's Lucius' voice actor is female yet over here, Lucius' voice actor is a man.
I am sure you will be loving all the cutsenese that involve you. I hope you the best experience in that game! I never played it yet but people told me it was fun. Many people in their reviews put Xenoblade Chronicles in their top three Nintendo Switch games of all time.After days of saving and looking at stores, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is on my hands.
Im not gonna watch it all but Im happy it doesnt end on metroid this year like every yearAnyone else looking forward to AGDQ starting on Sunday?
Yessiree.Anyone else looking forward to AGDQ starting on Sunday?
I'm not really thrilled they are ending it on BotW either. The featherless SMW run should be a fun run to watch.Im not gonna watch it all but Im happy it doesnt end on metroid this year like every year
That's a real photo from BotW. You can get Rex's outfit in a free update.I am sure you will be loving all the cutsenese that involve you, like that Rex and Mythra bed scene. I hope you the best experience in that game! I never played it yet but people told me it was fun. Many people in their reviews put Xenoblade Chronicles in their top three Nintendo Switch games of all time.
I found this on the internet, and now I want this in BOTW.
Im pretty thrilled its ending on BotW and tankfully its at a time I can watch it.I'm not really thrilled they are ending it on BotW either. The featherless SMW run should be a fun run to watch.
In 1:40:00 or less?I do wonder how fast you can speedrun Splatoon 2
Oh oops I meant like how can you speed run Splatoon 2. Like, jumping gaps souns hella risky lolIn 1:40:00 or less?
Hector is 17?Casual reminder that Lissa is seventeen post-timeskip, so the same age as Alm and Celica.
And Hector.
Ninian does have a different "role" compared to the other Manaketes, but I'm not talking about "role" here. And you don't need to have a specific role in order to not be something. She can fulfil the "Mysterious Girl" and still be 13. And isn't the fact that judging her age by her character, artwork and voice also an assumption? I mean, saying that she looks older and acts different from other known characters, thus she must be older is just as much an assumption.A: There's a major flaw in this point, you try to relate her to the young girl manaketes, but you're choosing to ignore everything that differentiates her from those characters. Firstly, she doesn't look like a child as her visual age puts her at least older then Nils and around Eliwood/Hector/Lyn, which would means she at most looks like a mid-late teen. Secondly, her personality is different from those characters as all of those that you listed act like young girls, they want to play, they see the protagonist(s) as an older sibling, and relate to the world as they would a kid. Ninian is more akin to Azura (at least story-wise) or Dierdre in terms of her personality, she's reserved, she serves the 'Mysterious Woman' role as she holds the secrets to the plot and exists to move it forward, and due to her similar relative age to the protagonist can develop feelings for and marry them. The only reason to assume that Ninian would be a Loli would be because the other Manakete/Dragon characters have been one, but as we've already had exceptions through those like Corrin and Ena, that's not a good leg to stand on since that means the rule has been broken and doesn't have to remain consistent.
B: Which is an assumption though, Lyn did get an age bump, but nothing about Ninian imply that she similarly did get one nor required one. It is true that they could change that, but as said before, considering Heroes (a game that had no problem making Lachesis into one appearance-wise) didn't take the opportunity to do so, it's probably safe to say it's not the intention that she'd be a Loli.
C: Again, that's an assumption. There could be some cultural differences at play here, but looking at how the character has been treated in both countries (whether it's artwork or dialogue we have access to) it doesn't seem like she was adjusted in that way. Characterization, artwork, and voice-wise, she's more akin to older characters in her portrayal then she is younger ones like Y!Tiki or Nowi.
In short, I doubt that Ninian was intended to be a Loli in terms of role and character. Her function in her interactions, the plot, and portrayal all show her to be closer to the protagonists then that of the young Manaketes. It can't really be argued to be debatable when the games and supplementary materials all reflect a different portrayal for her, and unless the FE7 remakes throws that all out the window (which honestly would go against what the character is) it's best to assume that's not the intent behind the character.
Last time I checked, Loli and Shota don't just refer to sexualised designs like Nowi. Cause if that was the case, everybody here(and I mean just about everybody) would get an Big X for marking Elise and Sakura considering they aren't sexualised and yet referred to as such. And an even bigger X to some of those who marked Takumi of all people(I wish I was joking) as a shota.Actually, even if Ninian was yoinger than she is, she would stoll not be a loli.
Because that word and "little girl" aren't interchangeable, the words loli and shota are for kids that are outright sexualised, like Nowi.
Nothing about Ninian's design is sexualised.
More like makes white americans look worst then they may right nowHe's an absolute disgrace and makes americans look even worse then they may right now.
One of Eliwood and Hector's support mention they have been sparring since they were twelve and they do it once every two months, with them also stating they have sparred 30 or 31 times.Hector is 17?
I thought he'd be in like the 30s. damn he looks way older.
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On a side note, can we please completely eliminate Logan Paul from existence.
Not only did he pull that **** in the forest, but he went to a Japanese market dressed in the most offensive way possible, and starting harassing the japanese culture. He insulted their language, tried to catch them like pokemon and more. Interviews have japanese people completely hating him as well.
For all the **** he's pulled how is he not in jail for the law violations?
He's an absolute disgrace and makes americans look even worse then they may right now.
Dude, I don't want to sound rude but what the literal **** are you smokingshe looks older, thus she must be older is just as much an assumption.
Tbh, I'd rather not have one of my favorite character to marry a 13-year old girl and have my other favorite character perpetuate the idea that "she actually 1000 years old so it's legal" :/Or at least, the way everybody's sounding is that her being 13 would destroy or nullify her character and intention when that isn't the case.
Nils is probably around 12, and it's clear they have a wide age gap.even with her original FE7 artwork and that her brother Nils looks like he's just reaching puberty.
Actually, they do, it's just that people misuse the term. A lot.Last time I checked, Loli and Shota don't just refer to sexualised designs like Nowi. Cause if that was the case, everybody here(and I mean just about everybody) would get an Big X for marking Elise and Sakura considering they aren't sexualised and yet referred to as such. And an even bigger X to some of those who marked Takumi of all people(I wish I was joking) as a shota.
Basically, as far as I've known or seen, the words have been used for basically any character who is a child or looks like a child.
We need a Link that dresses up like a pokemon ( probably Pikachu ) or wears Mario or Luigi's clothes. BOTW has some sweet updates that makes the game better.That's a real photo from BotW. You can get Rex's outfit in a free update.
This doesnt look like it would hint at anything to me but that one cute ass birbNoA tweeted this out:
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It's a music band adNoA tweeted this out:
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I want to believe.NoA tweeted this out:
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In America. Cause otherwise that would imply they are 14 in Japan where Lyn is 16.One of Eliwood and Hector's support mention they have been sparring since they were twelve and they do it once every two months, with them also stating they have sparred 30 or 31 times.
This also means Lyn is two years older than both of them
It sounded more sensible in my head. That or I chose the wrong manner of words which may be common today.Dude, I don't want to sound rude but what the literal **** are you smoking
This is currant IS we are talking about here.Tbh, I'd rather not have one of my favorite character to marry a 13-year old girl and have my other favorite character perpetuate the idea that "she actually 1000 years old so it's legal" :/
Don't females start puberty at around Ages 10-12? Also, *looks at Yoko Littner, who was 14 when first met*Nils is probably around 12, and it's clear they have a wide age gap.
Also, speaking of puberty, Ninian has clearly developed features
Look at her waist, breats, facial features and her height. There's no way she's 13 years old(in Dragon years)
Well I'm not surprised if there's alot of misuse, considering everything nowadays seems to be misused. Although be careful on those double standards.....*looks at Nino and Jaffer* I mean, Elise and Sakura being able to marry shouldn't give previous youngins special treatment. Unless you're saying that they get the treatment because "you" can marry them which, no matter how accurate, seems rather petty.Actually, they do, it's just that people misuse the term. A lot.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LoliconAndShotacon
"The words "loli" and "shota" when used to refer to children carry implications that such fetishization is occurring"
So yeah, it's more about the fetishization(which is clearly done with Elise and Sakura, I mean, you can marry them for ****'s sake) rather than the sexualization per se, so my mistake.
I mean... I'd buy it.It's a music band ad
It says FE
That can only mean... TMS#FE is coming to the Switch!
Now thisIt's a music band ad
It says FE
That can only mean... TMS#FE is coming to the Switch!
Do I hear a Direct announcement?NoA tweeted this out:
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Serves me right for using the word "debatable"."Today in NintenZone, we'll discuss what makes a character a loli or not."
Oh NintenZone, never change.
Technically no, since there's no audio in the tweet.Do I hear a Direct announcement?
Now you can properly waifu Mythra.After days of saving and looking at stores, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is on my hands.
I was making this reference:Technically no, since there's no audio in the tweet.
Well I've never seen Futurama, so I don't really no anything except the big memes from that show.I was making this reference:
Probably too obscure looking at it now.
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Nintendo is hiding another secret message!It's a music band ad
It says FE
That can only mean... TMS#FE is coming to the Switch!
But role can play into the concept though, Tiki for instance is supposed to be looked after by Bantu and has to be saved by him and later looks up to Marth (and Caeda) as big siblings as a result. That ends up working with the concept of her being a Loli (or young girl) because those traits work well with how she's meant to be portrayed, and thus it helps fits her into the portrayal that they're trying to go for.Ninian does have a different "role" compared to the other Manaketes, but I'm not talking about "role" here.
There's quite a difference between saying 'well this related scenario happened, so she could be portrayed this way' and 'well, based on observation A, B, and C, she's may be portrayed this way'. You can argue both are assumptions, but the former is only using related incidents to make its point and is not effectively using active traits of the character to prove that they fit the role, the latter uses evidence provided by what's been given for the character and their portrayal and makes an educated guess based on all of those facts.And you don't need to have a specific role in order to not be something. She can fulfil the "Mysterious Girl" and still be 13. And isn't the fact that judging her age by her character, artwork and voice also an assumption? I mean, saying that she looks older and acts different from other known characters, thus she must be older is just as much an assumption.
Except the definition of a Loli character is a prepubescent girl (which is usually defined as younger then 12 in image or actual age) and that means if they're supposed to function within the concept of that they have to look and/or act like a young girl. Ninian doesn't qualify for either of those traits. She doesn't act like any of the young girls in the series that get the terminology used on them, she's not playful like Nowi, she doesn't have an older sibling worship like Tiki, and her viewpoint on the world is portrayed more maturely. Appearance-wise, she also doesn't fit as even if you argue the point of 'well, girls hit puberty early' she still shows that she's hit that point in her life and is closer in image to a teenager, and that has been carried throughout her entire existence as a character as Heroes, the TCG, and the original game do not emphasize any young girl traits with her design.Anyway, her intent is very different from the likes of the others, especially if we look at this as pre-Awakening IS. Yet, she can still serve her intent even at a low age. Her being 13 isn't going to stop her from fulfilling her role as a "Mysterious Girl" Her being 13 isn't going to change her character. Or at least, the way everybody's sounding is that her being 13 would destroy or nullify her character and intention when that isn't the case. You can have characters who are 13 and yet still be mature or not child-ish. Being 13 isn't going to suddenly change a character's intention.
I feel this point is coming down to subjectivity and I'm just going to leave that on the table since that gets down to personal taste. The only thing I will say is that I personally disagree and I would put her more as a Lyn or Eliwood then I would a Fae or Tiki due to her portrayal (visually and personality-wise) and her relative age to her younger brother, and in that case she'd be out of the respective age range that people classify Lolis as. And that's probably my mistake in the first place was doing something akin to labelling. I never meant to say(if it did sound like it) that she served the same way as the other Manaketes like Tiki, Fae or Nowi. All I meant about her being debatable is mostly because there isn't any guarantee to her age, she always looked young to me, even with her original FE7 artwork and that her brother Nils looks like he's just reaching puberty. At this point, I think I'm even digging a deeper hole here. IF you need to take something, take my "debatable" as more of a "I'm not certain."
Nah, it was and usually at that point, it's best not to continue since subjectivity is something uneasily resolved. I blame myself since when I look at my one post, it looks more like I just replied for the sake of replying and I should've just stopped at my one post that simply said, "debatable."I feel this point is coming down to subjectivity and I'm just going to leave that on the table since that gets down to personal taste. The only thing I will say is that I personally disagree and I would put her more as a Lyn or Eliwood then I would a Fae or Tiki due to her portrayal (visually and personality-wise) and her relative age to her younger brother, and in that case she'd be out of the respective age range that people classify Lolis as.
I still prefer to take the US age as the canon one, personal preference, I know, but it's just what makes more sense, even when accounting the timelineIn America. Cause otherwise that would imply they are 14 in Japan where Lyn is 16.
No, never!This is currant IS we are talking about here.
Between 10 and 14, to be more exact, but she's clearly past it though.Don't females start puberty at around Ages 10-12?
Yeah, no, that's just BS. I know you're probably joking but Gainax was smoking something if they believe anyone is gonna take that **** upAlso, *looks at Yoko Littner, who was 14 when first met*
Jaffar is, like, 16 at most.Although be careful on those double standards.....*looks at Nino and Jaffer*
Clearly it's a Codename STEAM port :^)Nintendo is hiding another secret message!
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Nintendo owns Steam confirmed. I knew Valve and Nintendo were good friends.
It's probably because Shanna doesn't bring any unfortunate implications with her age.On the other hand, what makes it hilarious is how much people gave about Ninian, yet no one said anything about Shanna. I know not everybody has played Binding Blade, but I do know some people here have. I don't know if it shows where people have their priorities or if it simply shows Ninian's popularity, but seeing how much people gave about Ninian compared to Shanna gave me a chuckle. Even if it might be for the wrong reasons.
I am now!Anyone else looking forward to AGDQ starting on Sunday?
I think it's more along the lines of how with fiction, anything can be made anything. I mean, in Guilty Gear, there's Dizzy, a human-looking Gear who became a full grown adult in 3 years and had a child at around the Age of 3-5. Basically, as humans, we can frick around with fiction to our whims desire just cause we can.Yeah, no, that's just BS. I know you're probably joking but Gainax was smoking something if they believe anyone is gonna take that **** up
Shanna looks 15 to me but whether that can be considered a "loli" is another thing.
Unfortunate implications? I mean, what exactly does it matter when America is just going to age bump them anyway? I mean, as according to you, the US Ages are far more superior.It's probably because Shanna doesn't bring any unfortunate implications with her age.
I would like to see a Codename Steam port for Switch.Clearly it's a Codename STEAM port :^)