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[powerprotoman]

I highly doubt a moon fight in a Mario game is gonna be comparable to the likes of Asura's Wrath, haha.

You'll just jump on Bowser's tail three times or something and that's it.

inb4 mario odyseeies final boss is made by platinum games

 

[A Distant Demon]

B-but Tiki did nothing wrong! Don't bully the smol dragon!

I will never be able to love that moveset. Ever

Zebei Y tho

see above

Also I think you forgot to list Olivia and Tharja.

oh duh

I like Olivia, Tharja is irredeemable.


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[Wario Bros.]

Blocked the word "final boss" on YouTube in preparation of Super Mario Odyssey.

Hope that's enough.

 

[ChikoLad]

I will never be able to love that moveset. Ever

see above

oh duh

I like Olivia, Tharja is irredeemable.


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Dunno if I will ever play it but thank ye kindly regardless.

 

[praline]

I will never be able to love that moveset. Ever

see above

oh duh

I like Olivia, Tharja is irredeemable.


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What did you just say!?

 

[AmericanDJ]

I reckon there are enough FE weebs here to do this. Found on r/fireemblem.

Spoiler

Lunatic Classic where available.

Tends to just let pairings happen and doesn't go for a specific one.

Use units I like and basically always make them powerful (all y'all who think Rinkah is bad are scrubs, same with Clair) somehow but I will still use the obvious OP and useful ones too.

Have only finished Birthright and SoV so far, but I am on the verge of finishing Conquest and have purchased Revelations (bought the Fates SE at launch), Shadow Dragon, FE GBA, and Sacred Stones so they're ready go. Also play FE Heroes every day.

SoV is my personal favourite so far.

This makes me an enigma right? An unheard of monster.

Multiple pages late to this but
Normal/Classic (Except for SoV, where I played most of the game not even knowing I was playing casual until act 4, but it became a blessing near the end)
I mainly do the pairings that I want (mix of stats and actual support)
I mainly use units I like (mostly cavalry, armored units, and mages)
Doesn't play certain games because I'm not able to
Fe7 is my favorite.
So True Neutral I guess?


Also, Warriors characters that I care about:
Marth
Lyn
Celica
Majority of Awakening cast, but especially Robin, Chrom, and Owain (and with the exception of possibly Tharja, but I don't think I know enough about her to form an opinion yet)
Ryoma
Xander
Leo
Takumi
Anna
Tiki
Navarre
Minerva
Caeda
Oboro

I'm happy with the roster overall (although, I'd be lying if I said I didn't think Fates is a bit over-represented).

And now to go back into the shadows and work on (and stress over) all of my homework that I have to do.

Edit: Oh yeah and I also heard it was Yoko Shimomura's birthday recently.
This is good to hear.

 

[A Distant Demon]

What did you just say!?

"tharja is irredeemable."

Is it the language you need help on?

Irredeemable
adjective
being beyond remedy

Hope that helped

 

[Opossum]

I will never be able to love that moveset. Ever

see above

oh duh

I like Olivia, Tharja is irredeemable.


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I like her moveset, personally. It captures her childish innocence while having her do things like growing wings, until she fills her meter and transforms to full dragon mode.

I think it's pretty neat.

 

[praline]

"tharja is irredeemable."

Is it the language you need help on?

Irredeemable
adjective
being beyond remedy

Hope that helped

Yeah yeah laugh it up... you’ll see... you’ll all see...

 

[Coricus]

What did you just say!?

I wouldn't put Tharja as irredeemable the way Zebei did because a character would REALLY have to be actively awful (like, not even mary sue bad, legitimately makes everything around them worse plot-wise for no conceivable reason bad) to get on my bad side, but. . .

Tharja is one of the main indicators I definitely don't swing that way, because I really don't get her popularity at all. She's a creepy hexing lady in a bikini. OK. . .? The only reason I remember she exists is because people bring her up constantly.

She's hot, Owain's funny. It's the only reason those two are DLC in this game and it's the only reason they were spammed so hard for Smash. But in a dialog heavy game with cutscenes like this I at least have forgiveness for funny.

 

[ChikoLad]

I wouldn't put Tharja as irredeemable the way Zebei did because a character would REALLY have to be actively awful (like, not even mary sue bad, legitimately makes everything around them worse plot-wise for no conceivable reason bad) to get on my bad side, but. . .

Is this you admitting that Peri is irredeemable?

We can all agree that Peri is irredeemable right?

She's hot, Owain's funny. It's the only reason those two are DLC in this game and it's the only reason they were spammed so hard for Smash. But in a dialog heavy game with cutscenes like this I at least have forgiveness for funny.

Owain (or """"Odin"""" at least) isn't just funny, he's a good buddy ol' pal.

 

[Knight Dude]

I don't know why Linde and also wheres Kagori but ill accept Niles hes rrly cool.

In other news, i made a indie smash roster cos i'm not impressed by the indie fighting collaborations except the Drifter and Ori + Sein DLC's.
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You should look up a game called Aces Wild. It's a cool indie action game. Would be a good fit to have in a fighter too.

 

[Coricus]

Is this you admitting that Peri is irredeemable?

We can all agree that Peri is irredeemable right?



Owain (or """"Odin"""" at least) isn't just funny, he's a good buddy ol' pal.

I didn't touch the Supports nearly as much as I wanted to in Revelation but even so Peri's mere expressions made her look like a piece of trash so I didn't even touch her LOL.

The mascara dripping from her tears, the hair that looks absurd by Fire Emblem standards, the overly bubbly attitude (and it takes some bubbling to be too much for me, as per my usual high tolerance for annoyance). . .hey, at least Tharja's got this subdued, quiet mischief to her sociopathy instead of blaring it out, gotta give her that.

 

[Ivander]

Is this you admitting that Peri is irredeemable?

We can all agree that Peri is irredeemable right?

Laslow makes Peri redeemable. It says alot when the woman who is obsessed with violence and would kill after being ticked off even a little stops her daughter from killing people out of hatred.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Tharja is only irredeemable if you ignore a lot of her supports.

She's actually a lot nicer than she first appears and was one character I was surprised about.

(Plus you know, her bad parts aren't even THAT bad).



People hating on Tiki and Owain have no place in my perfect world...

Of Tiki and Owain loving people.

 

[ChikoLad]

I didn't touch the Supports nearly as much as I wanted to in Revelation but even so Peri's mere expressions made her look like a piece of trash so I didn't even touch her LOL.

The mascara dripping from her tears, the hair that looks absurd by Fire Emblem standards, the overly bubbly attitude (and it takes some bubbling to be too much for me, as per my usual high tolerance for annoyance). . .hey, at least Tharja's got this subdued, quiet mischief to her sociopathy instead of blaring it out, gotta give her that.

Peri isn't even a sociopath. Saying she is implies she understands what she does is wrong, but simply doesn't care or deems her enjoyment more important.

Peri literally doesn't understand what's wrong with her actions, she just knows she enjoys it so that should make it OK.

Laslow makes Peri redeemable. It says alot when the woman who is obsessed with violence and would kill after being ticked off even a little stops her daughter from killing people out of hatred.

That doesn't redeem her character, that's lazy writing and just makes Peri act inexplicably hypocritical. When you have a character who is portrayed as a mindless killing machine who revels in it regardless of context, you can't just make them heel face turn and say "killing is bad" or "it's not OK to kill for this reason". That has to be built up to with some realistic development, which is ultimately why Peri didn't work as a character, they didn't do any of that with her.

Also I'm fairly certain mother/child supports are almost identical regardless of the mother, with only small adjustments being made to fit in certain character specific traits. Noticed this when Felicia in my Conquest playthrough had almost the exact same conversation with Kana as Rinkah did in my Birthright playthrough.

Granted, that's somewhat of a Fates problem in how supports are structured, and how they are completely separate from the main narrative. But it's still a ridiculous oversight to make in Peri's case.

Much like how I won't suddenly dislike my favourite/the best written characters over one or two bad supports, I'm not gonna suddenly like Peri for a support that honestly just feels OoC for her.

Only oddball there is Xander because almost all of his supports are fantastic but in the main story he's a big goon.

 

[Opossum]

I don't think it's even possible to hate Owain after he gave us this gem.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I don't think it's even possible to hate Owain after he gave us this gem.

I swear, one day, one of your funny posts is gonna kill me

 

[allison]

I don't think it's even possible to hate Owain after he gave us this gem.

I never thought I'd say this, but I just considered playing Fire Emblem

 

[Ivander]

That doesn't redeem her character, that's lazy writing and just makes Peri act inexplicably hypocritical. When you have a character who is portrayed as a mindless killing machine who revels in it regardless of context, you can't just make them heel face turn and say "killing is bad" or "it's not OK to kill for this reason". That has to be built up to with some realistic development, which is ultimately why Peri didn't work as a character, they didn't do any of that with her.

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking redeemable "Is there anything the character does that changes them from an irredeemable monster to someone who is starting to care" rather than "Tally up these scores, these supports, etc, and you get this score, entirely irredeemable"
And it's not hypocritical. It's actually character development. Because she only does this moment with one child character, Soleil, when she is Peri's daughter. And it continues the character development from her support with Laslow.

Peri and Laslow's Supports
https://serenesforest.net/wiki/index.php/Fates_Supports/Laslow_Peri

And now here's Peri and Soleil's conversation:

Spoiler

Soleil: Haah...

Peri: Soleil, why are you sighing so much?

Soleil: Ah, hey, Mom. Actually, I was just trying to flirt with a cute girl over at that stand. But just as I was about to seal the deal, those bandits came and ruined it all. Ohh, what a shame...

Peri: Oh no...Soleil, that's terrible...

Soleil: Grr...it's all those bandits' fault. They're so annoying! Man, when I get my hands on them...! And if not them, anyone else would be fine, too!

Peri: Y-you can't, Soleil!

Soleil: Huh...?

Peri: You can't...you shouldn't hurt anyone other than the bad people. Think about the families of those people...someone's going to be so sad if they die.

Soleil: M-Mom? Alright, I get it. I just wanted to say it because I was angry...

Peri: No. Take this more seriously...I don't want you to grow up to be like me.

Soleil: Mom...?

Peri: Ohh...I'm sorry. You really did turn out kinda like me. But unlike me, you have an adult around to get mad at you. Someone to tell you, "No, that's wrong!" So from now on, I want you to try to hold back those violent feelings.

Soleil: Yeah...okay. But then, what am I supposed to do? When I get so angry, it feels like it's the only way...

Peri: Just take deep breaths. Think about fields of flowers. Then you'll be nice and calm.

Soleil: Hmm...deep breaths. Huff...haaah...huff...haaah... ... Thank you! I feel better already!

Peri: Great! I'm still not very good at it, but...I'm doing my best not to kill thoughtlessly. Ever since Laslow tought me how to calm down, I've been holding back as much as I can.

Soleil: Hey, I'm sorry, Mom. I got way too worked up, but I'm alright now. I won't do anything else to worry you again.

Peri: Okay! You're such a good girl, Soleil. As a reward, once we get home, I'll make you my delicious home cooking! After you get some good food in you, all your anger will be gone!

Soleil: Yesss! I love your cooking! But I don't want to make you work so much, so I'll lend a hand. It'd be horrible if your lovely, delicate fingers got hurt.

Peri: Come on, Soleil. Quit trying to make a fool out of me!

Soleil: Oh? Ahaha, even you can talk like an adult sometimes!

Peri: Was it weird?

Soleil: Nope, it was adorable!

Peri: Okay...but it's a little embarrassing. Like I'm not being me.

Soleil: Now, now, there's no reason to be ashamed. I'd love you no matter how you spoke! Like you usually do, or how you were just now...the way you're kind of childish but cute, and the way you're strong yet kind, and an amazing cook...I love every single bit of it!

Peri: Soleil...

Soleil: Don't ever leave me again. My beloved mother...stay with me, forever and ever.

Peri: Of course I will. Y'know, I'm really strong -- so I'm not just gonna get squashed like a tomato.* So forever, and ever...I'll be by your side. I promise.

Soleil: Thanks, Mom!

Peri only does this chat with Soleil. If you look at the other conversations with any of her other potential children, she does not show the same character development compared to this one as only Laslow is the one who actually gets her to think about what she is doing when killing people. And as you can see, even Peri admits that she's not "Suddenly better" and that she's still trying to work hard at not killing thoughtlessly like she was before Laslow.
It's one thing to dis-consider character development because none of the other supports affect any of the other supports, like Peri's support with Felicia or any mother-daughter support or father-Shigure support. But it's another thing when character development carries forward, which is what Peri's conversation with Soleil does. It shows Laslow's words are getting to her and she is trying to keep her daughter from becoming like her when her mother was killed.

I'm not saying you have to like her. I'm not saying that one Support changes all your opinion of her. What I'm just saying is that she can change from being someone who enjoys killing to someone who tries to think of her action's consequence and trying to make sure her daughter does not go down the same path as her. The game does show that. It would be entirely hypocritical if she did this with every potential child of hers, but as I said, she only does this with Soleil.

Anyway, not trying to change opinions. Just saying she is redeemable.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking redeemable "Is there anything the character does that changes them from an irredeemable monster to someone who is starting to care" rather than "Tally up these scores, these supports, etc, and you get this score, entirely irredeemable"
And it's not hypocritical. It's actually character development. Because she only does this moment with one child character, Soleil, when she is Peri's daughter. And it continues the character development from her support with Laslow.

Peri and Laslow's Supports
https://serenesforest.net/wiki/index.php/Fates_Supports/Laslow_Peri

And now here's Peri and Soleil's conversation:

Spoiler

Soleil: Haah...

Peri: Soleil, why are you sighing so much?

Soleil: Ah, hey, Mom. Actually, I was just trying to flirt with a cute girl over at that stand. But just as I was about to seal the deal, those bandits came and ruined it all. Ohh, what a shame...

Peri: Oh no...Soleil, that's terrible...

Soleil: Grr...it's all those bandits' fault. They're so annoying! Man, when I get my hands on them...! And if not them, anyone else would be fine, too!

Peri: Y-you can't, Soleil!

Soleil: Huh...?

Peri: You can't...you shouldn't hurt anyone other than the bad people. Think about the families of those people...someone's going to be so sad if they die.

Soleil: M-Mom? Alright, I get it. I just wanted to say it because I was angry...

Peri: No. Take this more seriously...I don't want you to grow up to be like me.

Soleil: Mom...?

Peri: Ohh...I'm sorry. You really did turn out kinda like me. But unlike me, you have an adult around to get mad at you. Someone to tell you, "No, that's wrong!" So from now on, I want you to try to hold back those violent feelings.

Soleil: Yeah...okay. But then, what am I supposed to do? When I get so angry, it feels like it's the only way...

Peri: Just take deep breaths. Think about fields of flowers. Then you'll be nice and calm.

Soleil: Hmm...deep breaths. Huff...haaah...huff...haaah... ... Thank you! I feel better already!

Peri: Great! I'm still not very good at it, but...I'm doing my best not to kill thoughtlessly. Ever since Laslow tought me how to calm down, I've been holding back as much as I can.

Soleil: Hey, I'm sorry, Mom. I got way too worked up, but I'm alright now. I won't do anything else to worry you again.

Peri: Okay! You're such a good girl, Soleil. As a reward, once we get home, I'll make you my delicious home cooking! After you get some good food in you, all your anger will be gone!

Soleil: Yesss! I love your cooking! But I don't want to make you work so much, so I'll lend a hand. It'd be horrible if your lovely, delicate fingers got hurt.

Peri: Come on, Soleil. Quit trying to make a fool out of me!

Soleil: Oh? Ahaha, even you can talk like an adult sometimes!

Peri: Was it weird?

Soleil: Nope, it was adorable!

Peri: Okay...but it's a little embarrassing. Like I'm not being me.

Soleil: Now, now, there's no reason to be ashamed. I'd love you no matter how you spoke! Like you usually do, or how you were just now...the way you're kind of childish but cute, and the way you're strong yet kind, and an amazing cook...I love every single bit of it!

Peri: Soleil...

Soleil: Don't ever leave me again. My beloved mother...stay with me, forever and ever.

Peri: Of course I will. Y'know, I'm really strong -- so I'm not just gonna get squashed like a tomato.* So forever, and ever...I'll be by your side. I promise.

Soleil: Thanks, Mom!

Peri only does this chat with Soleil. If you look at the other conversations with any of her other potential children, she does not show the same character development compared to this one as only Laslow is the one who actually gets her to think about what she is doing when killing people. And as you can see, even Peri admits that she's not "Suddenly better" and that she's still trying to work hard at not killing thoughtlessly like she was before Laslow.
It's one thing to dis-consider character development because none of the other supports affect any of the other supports, like Peri's support with Felicia or any mother-daughter support or father-Shigure support. But it's another thing when character development carries forward, which is what Peri's conversation with Soleil does. It shows Laslow's words are getting to her and she is trying to keep her daughter from becoming like her when her mother was killed.

I'm not saying you have to like her. I'm not saying that one Support changes all your opinion of her. What I'm just saying is that she can change from being someone who enjoys killing to someone who tries to think of her action's consequence and trying to make sure her daughter does not go down the same path as her. The game does show that. It would be entirely hypocritical if she did this with every potential child of hers, but as I said, she only does this with Soleil.

Anyway, not trying to change opinions. Just saying she is redeemable.

I think you made me like Peri a little.

Keep doing this sort of thing.

Are there any other unpopular characters you can shed new light on?

 

[A Distant Demon]

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking redeemable "Is there anything the character does that changes them from an irredeemable monster to someone who is starting to care" rather than "Tally up these scores, these supports, etc, and you get this score, entirely irredeemable"
And it's not hypocritical. It's actually character development. Because she only does this moment with one child character, Soleil, when she is Peri's daughter. And it continues the character development from her support with Laslow.

Peri and Laslow's Supports
https://serenesforest.net/wiki/index.php/Fates_Supports/Laslow_Peri

And now here's Peri and Soleil's conversation:

Spoiler

Soleil: Haah...

Peri: Soleil, why are you sighing so much?

Soleil: Ah, hey, Mom. Actually, I was just trying to flirt with a cute girl over at that stand. But just as I was about to seal the deal, those bandits came and ruined it all. Ohh, what a shame...

Peri: Oh no...Soleil, that's terrible...

Soleil: Grr...it's all those bandits' fault. They're so annoying! Man, when I get my hands on them...! And if not them, anyone else would be fine, too!

Peri: Y-you can't, Soleil!

Soleil: Huh...?

Peri: You can't...you shouldn't hurt anyone other than the bad people. Think about the families of those people...someone's going to be so sad if they die.

Soleil: M-Mom? Alright, I get it. I just wanted to say it because I was angry...

Peri: No. Take this more seriously...I don't want you to grow up to be like me.

Soleil: Mom...?

Peri: Ohh...I'm sorry. You really did turn out kinda like me. But unlike me, you have an adult around to get mad at you. Someone to tell you, "No, that's wrong!" So from now on, I want you to try to hold back those violent feelings.

Soleil: Yeah...okay. But then, what am I supposed to do? When I get so angry, it feels like it's the only way...

Peri: Just take deep breaths. Think about fields of flowers. Then you'll be nice and calm.

Soleil: Hmm...deep breaths. Huff...haaah...huff...haaah... ... Thank you! I feel better already!

Peri: Great! I'm still not very good at it, but...I'm doing my best not to kill thoughtlessly. Ever since Laslow tought me how to calm down, I've been holding back as much as I can.

Soleil: Hey, I'm sorry, Mom. I got way too worked up, but I'm alright now. I won't do anything else to worry you again.

Peri: Okay! You're such a good girl, Soleil. As a reward, once we get home, I'll make you my delicious home cooking! After you get some good food in you, all your anger will be gone!

Soleil: Yesss! I love your cooking! But I don't want to make you work so much, so I'll lend a hand. It'd be horrible if your lovely, delicate fingers got hurt.

Peri: Come on, Soleil. Quit trying to make a fool out of me!

Soleil: Oh? Ahaha, even you can talk like an adult sometimes!

Peri: Was it weird?

Soleil: Nope, it was adorable!

Peri: Okay...but it's a little embarrassing. Like I'm not being me.

Soleil: Now, now, there's no reason to be ashamed. I'd love you no matter how you spoke! Like you usually do, or how you were just now...the way you're kind of childish but cute, and the way you're strong yet kind, and an amazing cook...I love every single bit of it!

Peri: Soleil...

Soleil: Don't ever leave me again. My beloved mother...stay with me, forever and ever.

Peri: Of course I will. Y'know, I'm really strong -- so I'm not just gonna get squashed like a tomato.* So forever, and ever...I'll be by your side. I promise.

Soleil: Thanks, Mom!

Peri only does this chat with Soleil. If you look at the other conversations with any of her other potential children, she does not show the same character development compared to this one as only Laslow is the one who actually gets her to think about what she is doing when killing people. And as you can see, even Peri admits that she's not "Suddenly better" and that she's still trying to work hard at not killing thoughtlessly like she was before Laslow.
It's one thing to dis-consider character development because none of the other supports affect any of the other supports, like Peri's support with Felicia or any mother-daughter support or father-Shigure support. But it's another thing when character development carries forward, which is what Peri's conversation with Soleil does. It shows Laslow's words are getting to her and she is trying to keep her daughter from becoming like her when her mother was killed.

I'm not saying you have to like her. I'm not saying that one Support changes all your opinion of her. What I'm just saying is that she can change from being someone who enjoys killing to someone who tries to think of her action's consequence and trying to make sure her daughter does not go down the same path as her. The game does show that. It would be entirely hypocritical if she did this with every potential child of hers, but as I said, she only does this with Soleil.

Anyway, not trying to change opinions. Just saying she is redeemable.

This made me imagine Peri acting like a housewife, and cooking, and being "nice" and i'm extremely uncomfortable now.

 

[_Sheik]

Earlier this week, I received a message from the official Nintendo Switch Facebook page saying that I'd won a free copy of Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 through a giveaway they hosted. I got my hands on this gem today, oh, the joy!

I am pretty much indifferent to Fire Emblem Warriors; however, how did everybody like the recent 3.2 update for ARMS?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

This made me imagine Peri acting like a housewife, and cooking, and being "nice" and i'm extremely uncomfortable now.

I mean...

Peri took a lesson in nice there (literally oho) but she isn't any sort of housewife.

If anything Laslow is the skirt in that relationship.

 

[Deleted member]

I'd like to remind everyond that Peri can have kids.

Tharja is only irredeemable if you ignore a lot of her supports.

This. Her supports with Nowi and her A support with Noire come to mind.
She's still one of my least favorite characters in the cast, but she's not that bad, let alone irredeemable.

 

[Ivander]

I think you made me like Peri a little.

Keep doing this sort of thing.

Are there any other unpopular characters you can shed new light on?

Well, one of the reasons why that conversation isn't really known is because it was in the JP-only Hoshidan Festival of Bonds or Child Scramble DLC, which gives Parents a conversation with their child and potential parents a unique conversation with their potential child like with Awakening's Future Past DLC, where the fathers had unique conversations with their child. Here's a list of the conversations.
https://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?/topic/62128-child-scramble-convo-topic/
Compared to Future Past however, whereas the parents are encouraging their kids to fight on, the Child Scramble one is more along the lines of the more open DLCs, like the Party/Beach/Hot Spring DLC from Awakening.
You do get some serious ones like with Peri/Soleil, but you'll also get some that are goofy. Remember that one Camilla/Kiragi conversation I posted a long time ago, with Kiragi acting very Yandere like his mother? And then there are also some cringey ones. Sakura/Kana is a very notable cringey one.

There's also one for the JP-only Nohrian Halloween DLC, where it focuses on the first Gens and where some characters can get more conversations with different characters, like Azura/Camilla, Ryoma/Shura, Ryoma/Scarlet, Rinkah/Fuga, etc.
https://serenesforest.net/forums/index.php?/topic/62396-halloween-dlc-convo-thread/

Feel free to look as there might be some conversations that might make some characters more interesting and whatnot.

 

[ChikoLad]

I'm sorry, I thought we were talking redeemable "Is there anything the character does that changes them from an irredeemable monster to someone who is starting to care" rather than "Tally up these scores, these supports, etc, and you get this score, entirely irredeemable"
And it's not hypocritical. It's actually character development. Because she only does this moment with one child character, Soleil, when she is Peri's daughter. And it continues the character development from her support with Laslow.

Peri and Laslow's Supports
https://serenesforest.net/wiki/index.php/Fates_Supports/Laslow_Peri

And now here's Peri and Soleil's conversation:

Spoiler

Soleil: Haah...

Peri: Soleil, why are you sighing so much?

Soleil: Ah, hey, Mom. Actually, I was just trying to flirt with a cute girl over at that stand. But just as I was about to seal the deal, those bandits came and ruined it all. Ohh, what a shame...

Peri: Oh no...Soleil, that's terrible...

Soleil: Grr...it's all those bandits' fault. They're so annoying! Man, when I get my hands on them...! And if not them, anyone else would be fine, too!

Peri: Y-you can't, Soleil!

Soleil: Huh...?

Peri: You can't...you shouldn't hurt anyone other than the bad people. Think about the families of those people...someone's going to be so sad if they die.

Soleil: M-Mom? Alright, I get it. I just wanted to say it because I was angry...

Peri: No. Take this more seriously...I don't want you to grow up to be like me.

Soleil: Mom...?

Peri: Ohh...I'm sorry. You really did turn out kinda like me. But unlike me, you have an adult around to get mad at you. Someone to tell you, "No, that's wrong!" So from now on, I want you to try to hold back those violent feelings.

Soleil: Yeah...okay. But then, what am I supposed to do? When I get so angry, it feels like it's the only way...

Peri: Just take deep breaths. Think about fields of flowers. Then you'll be nice and calm.

Soleil: Hmm...deep breaths. Huff...haaah...huff...haaah... ... Thank you! I feel better already!

Peri: Great! I'm still not very good at it, but...I'm doing my best not to kill thoughtlessly. Ever since Laslow tought me how to calm down, I've been holding back as much as I can.

Soleil: Hey, I'm sorry, Mom. I got way too worked up, but I'm alright now. I won't do anything else to worry you again.

Peri: Okay! You're such a good girl, Soleil. As a reward, once we get home, I'll make you my delicious home cooking! After you get some good food in you, all your anger will be gone!

Soleil: Yesss! I love your cooking! But I don't want to make you work so much, so I'll lend a hand. It'd be horrible if your lovely, delicate fingers got hurt.

Peri: Come on, Soleil. Quit trying to make a fool out of me!

Soleil: Oh? Ahaha, even you can talk like an adult sometimes!

Peri: Was it weird?

Soleil: Nope, it was adorable!

Peri: Okay...but it's a little embarrassing. Like I'm not being me.

Soleil: Now, now, there's no reason to be ashamed. I'd love you no matter how you spoke! Like you usually do, or how you were just now...the way you're kind of childish but cute, and the way you're strong yet kind, and an amazing cook...I love every single bit of it!

Peri: Soleil...

Soleil: Don't ever leave me again. My beloved mother...stay with me, forever and ever.

Peri: Of course I will. Y'know, I'm really strong -- so I'm not just gonna get squashed like a tomato.* So forever, and ever...I'll be by your side. I promise.

Soleil: Thanks, Mom!

Peri only does this chat with Soleil. If you look at the other conversations with any of her other potential children, she does not show the same character development compared to this one as only Laslow is the one who actually gets her to think about what she is doing when killing people. And as you can see, even Peri admits that she's not "Suddenly better" and that she's still trying to work hard at not killing thoughtlessly like she was before Laslow.
It's one thing to dis-consider character development because none of the other supports affect any of the other supports, like Peri's support with Felicia or any mother-daughter support or father-Shigure support. But it's another thing when character development carries forward, which is what Peri's conversation with Soleil does. It shows Laslow's words are getting to her and she is trying to keep her daughter from becoming like her when her mother was killed.

I'm not saying you have to like her. I'm not saying that one Support changes all your opinion of her. What I'm just saying is that she can change from being someone who enjoys killing to someone who tries to think of her action's consequence and trying to make sure her daughter does not go down the same path as her. The game does show that. It would be entirely hypocritical if she did this with every potential child of hers, but as I said, she only does this with Soleil.

Anyway, not trying to change opinions. Just saying she is redeemable.

When I said "irredeeemable", I meant in a meta context. As in, her writing flaws weigh her down way too much and in order for her to work as a character, you basically need to change her character outright.

Any character can be "redeemed" in-universe by simply writing other characters to be OK with or ignorant of that character's flaws, which is literally what happens in ALL of Peri's supports. Leo literally questions if there's really a difference between killing for killing's sake or for a noble cause, for example, as an attempt to redeem Peri. This instance is no different. She drops her "Tragic Backstory™" out of the blue on Laslow as a way to vainly justify her personality that's really only there to pander to a fetish. Laslow gets all sappy immediately and pretty much ignores everything then and there, and hugs Peri's inherent psychotic nature away. And from that point on, we're supposed to believe that she's a changed woman.

Not only does this not change the fact that you can have supports with other characters happen after this one (which IMO matters a lot, as it effects the consistency of a character's portrayal, which is one of the most important things in characterisation), where any development here is thrown out the window, but in no way is it realistic for a psycho to be cured from a hug and a heart to heart.

Like I said, Peri is irredeemable. Her character, as it stands now, does not function. It's a shallow fetish panderer and nothing else, with equally shallow attempts at passing her off as a redeemed member of the good guys. A shame too - with some changes, she could have been great.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

*sees to FE:W bundle on eshop is 79.98*

 

[Swamp Sensei]

*sees to FE:W bundle on eshop is 79.98*

To be fair.

You don't have to buy the season pass unless you want everyone.

If you just want Niles, you could just buy the game and pay 8 bucks later.

 

[Mythra]

Third day on the NBA season; no one got badly injured today.

On the other hand I slipped on the stairs and super rolled my ankle. Guess the one who's out it's me this time. :'V

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

To be fair.

You don't have to buy the season pass unless you want everyone.

If you just want Niles, you could just buy the game and pay 8 bucks later.

Yeah, I was planning on getting the fates pack seperate but wow I wasnt expecting it to be 79 bucks

 

[Ivander]

When I said "irredeeemable", I meant in a meta context. As in, her writing flaws weigh her down way too much and in order for her to work as a character, you basically need to change her character outright.

I don't think a meta context is needed for a game that is filled to the brim with bad writing. Peri definitely has alot of problems with her writing, but she's a speck compared to the other bigger spots of bad writing in the game. She would be easier to fix and you could still keep her in character, compared to Fates' story which trying to change one thing would mostly require changing a whole bunch of things.
I think the main thing would be giving her less psychotic side more prevalence. Like Oboro has a very noticeable hatred for Nohr, but it doesn't overtake her for every character. Also, she needs more Laslows, characters who are able to get her to open up and give her the opportunity to change. But all don't need to open her up like Laslow. One character could open her up while she's in a normal state, when she's simply doing cooking or something and then reminisces about her mother. Or she could have a nightmare about the day her mother was killed and another character tries to comfort her, which leads to her opening up.

Like I said, Peri is a more simple case compared to the majority of Fates' major writing. And you can change her without changing her character outright, you just need more differing scenarios. Like you need more than just most of the characters trying to make sure Peri doesn't kill somebody or Peri having a hissyfit. That's what makes her Supports with Xander and Laslow nice is that she's not doing the same thing that she's doing in most other supports.

Yeah, I was planning on getting the fates pack seperate but wow I wasnt expecting it to be 79 bucks

At least you're not paying what Canadians are paying for nowadays, with one main game being just about $100.

 

[Coricus]

In Splatoon 2 news, I finally managed to Superfresh the Splat Brella. . .

. . .Now I can go back to using the Hero Brella Replica that I already Superfreshed.

Am I doing this main thing right, or do I need to figure out how on earth people grind weapons to gold?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

At least you're not paying what Canadians are paying for nowadays, with one main game being just about $100.

I'm proud to be an American!

Where at least I know I'm free.

And I won't forget the men who died!

So I pay much less money!

 

[Cutie Gwen]

(Plus you know, her bad parts aren't even THAT bad).

Sure, torturing her own kid to the point they get traumatized isn't that bad, not is obsessively stalking someone to the point that a lock of their hair is your most prized possession and that you watch them sleep at night

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Sure, torturing her own kid to the point they get traumatized isn't that bad, not is obsessively stalking someone to the point that a lock of their hair is your most prized possession and that you watch them sleep at night

You misunderstand.

Tharja being a bad person doesn't make her a bad character.

She's obviously not someone I want to meet but as a character she's fairly interesting.

It helps that the game doesn't portray her bad behaviors as good unless YOU validate them by marrying her.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You misunderstand.

Tharja being a bad person doesn't make her a bad character.

She's obviously not someone I want to meet but as a character she's fairly interesting.

It helps that the game doesn't portray her bad behaviors as good unless YOU validate them by marrying her.

Bad person =/= bad character, I know, but you were kinda implying she wasn't that bad of a person

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Bad person =/= bad character, I know, but you were kinda implying she wasn't that bad of a person

Tharja is only irredeemable if you ignore a lot of her supports.

She's actually a lot nicer than she first appears and was one character I was surprised about.

(Plus you know, her bad parts aren't even THAT bad).

Ah I see what you mean here.

I meant character but yeah I phrased that weird. I switched between character wise and morality wise and didn't clarify which one was which.

Whoops.



That said if we're going on morality, Tharja has some nice parts and has room to change for the better in a new future but yeah she ain't nice.

 

[Ivander]

Imagine if they went the full mile and you actually made Tharja better if you married her. Like if you married her, the supports of Noire with Robin and Tharja would change drastically. Because Tharja wouldn't hurt Robin at all and Robin helps her, Noire does not get used for hexes, Tharja would never use hexes on Robin compared to her other potential husbands and Noire used to be more open until Robin died, causing Tharja to go nuts and start doing hexes on her daughter(with a hint of doing so to try to make her stronger and to survive).
And in the new supports, Noire talks about the days before Robin died or Noire talks to Tharja about what happened to her after Robin died which causes a bit of grief and sorrow for Tharja on what happened to her daughter.

Just think about the possibilities for some supports if they went the full mile.

 

[Delzethin]

I'm proud to be an American!

Where at least I know I'm free.

And I won't forget the men who died!

So I pay much less money!

Except when it comes to healthcare. NotLikeThis