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[Aetheri]

As much as I think they should stop adding Fire Emblem characters to Smash for a while so people can cool off, I think I could find it in my heart to excuse a seventh if they somehow managed to give an entire functional moveset to a mounted unit of some kind.

A Pegasus Knight would probably be more doable with the mechanics of Smash (and have more moves), but there's something about the idea of a guy with his butt glued to a normal horse flailing around in the air with aerials and being knocked around by his opponent that just seems like it would probably be highly amusing.

Cordelia or bust...

But for me there's only one choice for a mounted character for Smash (they even have their own amiibo)

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[NonSpecificGuy]

Maybe time for some teir list modifications @Camalange?

 

[Champ Gold]

Maybe time for some teir list modifications @Camalange?

Yeah, you guys might wanna move Ryu down a bit and move up Mario, Megaman and Villager

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

Again with the undermining a player's skill and giving all of the credit to the character.

Ally won this tournament, not Mario. You'd have a point if everyone could win with Mario, but that's not the case.

Yeah, Mario's still a good character, but Ally definitely put in a ton of good work on the character. And yes, Ally IS the one who won the tournament. Even so, Mario's still a solid character.

 

[Wolfie557]

Anyone into this thing called amino? I used it a lot a few months back for game of thrones but recently it sponsored a Gamexplain video and I found out they finally merged all the amino's in one app. (tho separate still available.)

So I want to get back into that. It's forums on phone, basically.

tfw when Quebec only has two Pokespots, including one when almost nobody lives...

Love your avi!!! Also, really? All Quebec just 2 Pokestops? Maybe there will be more when they release to Canada.

 

[ChikoLad]

Yeah but you guys always underrate that character EVERY time.

Just admit Mario is a Top 5 character. You need more than just the player. The character has to good for it to work as well.

Nobody underrates Mario.

He is high tier. That is, he is a very solid character that very solid players of that particular character can win with.

Ally is one of the top Mario players, and he won with Mario. This isn't even remotely a surprise. Top players of a character winning with that character is nothing new. That's the mark of a high tier character, not a top tier.

Top tier characters are characters that are so easy for anyone to pick up and win with because of their strengths and you don't even have to master them or specialise with them to do well (pre-patch Sheik and Diddy, and currently Cloud), or characters that are insanely hard to get the hang of but are completely dominant when you know how to use them with very few faults (Ryu and Rosalina). They also CONSISTENTLY place within the top 3 since their inception a lot of the time.

Mario is a character with very obvious and exploitable faults, like poor range, meh recovery, and just not having anything particularly special to work with like Cloud's Limit or Rosalina's Luma. He's basic and simple. However, that also means that players who become really skilled with him can still do really well because he's so evenly balanced in his traits, there isn't really anything random or extravagant that could screw him over. Those players who choose him HAVE to get good at both the game's fundamentals (since Mario uses all of them, as he is specifically built to have a basic everything, like a projectile and a defensive special), and have to understand and mix things up with Mario specifically. They can't win otherwise. That's what stops Mario from being top tier.

Ally can go on to win every tournament but that wouldn't make Mario top tier because only Ally would be placing that highly with Mario.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Love your avi!!! Also, really? All Quebec just 2 Pokestops? Maybe there will be more when they release to Canada.

inb4 NoA is like "**** Canada!"

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

As much as I think they should stop adding Fire Emblem characters to Smash for a while so people can cool off, I think I could find it in my heart to excuse a seventh if they somehow managed to give an entire functional moveset to a mounted unit of some kind.

A Pegasus Knight would probably be more doable with the mechanics of Smash (and have more moves), but there's something about the idea of a guy with his butt glued to a normal horse flailing around in the air with aerials and being knocked around by his opponent that just seems like it would probably be highly amusing.

Camilla or bust.

Or we can settle on someone more relatable to our main audience.

 

[Chrono.]

Better start booking plane tickets y'all.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Camilla or bust.

Or we can settle on someone more relatable to our main audience.

But what would be her moveset, fawning about how her love for Tiki transcends gender and logic?

I swear this character was made specifically to satirize the modern Fire Emblem fandom.

 

[Champ Gold]

But what would be her moveset, fawning about how her love for Tiki transcends gender and logic?

I swear this character was made specifically to satirize the modern Fire Emblem fandom.

Or just satirize fanbases in general.

Besides not a lot of people like Tiki and even if they do its her FE3 design more than her older (and better) Awakening design

 

[Schnee117]

Spider-Man cosplayer just randomly showed up on KI stream and got a selfie with Bass, the best Spinal player.

Riptor mirrors now.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Camilla or bust.

Was that intentional?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Camilla or bust.

So, bust or bust?

 

[Champ Gold]

Was that intentional?

It would have been if he said Camilla or No Bust

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Better start booking plane tickets y'all.

I'm conveniently visiting Australia next month. Though with my luck I probably won't be able to find a Kangaskhan in time.

 

[ChikoLad]

So I did a bit of night time Pokemon GO, for my first venture in the game. Some thoughts and images in the spoiler because my phone screenshots come up real big.

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So pretty much there is nothing around my immediate area because I live in an estate. But I can see a bunch of Pokestops and a gym near my house.

Going into town there was a ton of Pokestops, and I ran into two more Gyms near the other one.

For the first 10 minutes or so after getting my starter (Charmander), the game wasn't giving me any Pokemon, but I did eventually find a Ratata, and after that, started getting a bunch of Pokemon. Used an Incense to speed up the process. I then saw a Lure Module that had been placed as seen below, but decided against going as the placement was suspicious (literally at a dark, beat up street where there are one or two night clubs and a pub).

At this point I started heading towards home as the game was starting to not give me anything again. Then an Eevee popped up. I tried tapping it, but then the game froze. Booted it up again and it was still acting up. So I went home and it started working on my way so I caught whatever came up. I also got a bunch of eggs from Pokestops.

When I got home, I kept the game on until the Incense wore off, and another Eevee popped up. I threw the ball at it, and it broke out, and then the game started acting up. Like so:

It didn't show a Pokeball but I could throw one at this point, and then it got stuck on infinite loading.

I was upset, thinking I missed yet another Eevee to technical issues, but I opened the game again and it actually somehow counted me as catching it!

I'll post my list of Pokemon on my next post.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

And of course the kangaroo dinosaur is exclusive to my homeland. How fitting.

Was that intentional?

Well she does have a nice one.

It's hard for most of her fans to ignore it (myself included).

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Was that intentional?

Not really....

Well maybe. A dragon riding axe fighter would be perfect for Smash.

 

[ChikoLad]

And here's my first batch of Pokemon.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

If only I can play more Pokemon Go, but here I am waiting for my toe to heal after the foot doctor removed the whole nail.

Yeah, you can imagine how "fun" it was for me to walk around with heavy bandages all day.

 

[Deleted member]

Forgot to mention this earlier, but Happy Birthday @Zoroarking !

Fun fact: You're birthday is a day after the birthday of a certain chosen hero of darkness!

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Yeah, I know
Fitting for a warrior of darkness such as myself!

Happy Birthday, @Zoroarking.

Keep up the Etrian Odyssey posting.

You heard the man!

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

Nobody underrates Mario.

He is high tier. That is, he is a very solid character that very solid players of that particular character can win with....

Ally can go on to win every tournament but that wouldn't make Mario top tier because only Ally would be placing that highly with Mario.

Very interesting argument! Spoilering this because it's a bit long:

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Same principle applies for every other character in the roster. Diddy wouldn't be top tier only because of Zero. Sheik wouldn't be top tier only because of Void. Fox wouldn't be top tier only because of Larry, etc. So, I don't think it would apply to Ally and Mario alone, but rather the entire roster.

Anyways, I think the reason why Mario is seen as top tier by many is not just because of Ally, but for a couple reasons. First is that it's not just Ally that uses Mario, but we've also seen some good play out of Zenyou and Anti. Also, despite his weaker range and meh recovery, it doesn't hold him back too much like in past games. While he still has issues against long ranged characters like Cloud and Marth, at least he can still deal with it better than previous games. His much improved air speed buffs his recovery from weak to passable, and his SJP also gets better height this time.

Overall, I think he has the tools to take on any top tier, and because of this is considered to be a top tier. He most likely loses to Sheik and maybe Sonic but not by much at all, he does fairly well against Fox, Ryu, Diddy, ZSS, and even with Cloud's sword, he can still do well against him (although most likely a losing matchup) because Mario can work well against Cloud's recovery, and since Cloud's a big target, Mario can combo him even better than other characters. That only leaves Rosalina, and that matchup is still not strongly disadvantaged.

He may not be the best, but he's got enough tools to be in the top tier in my mind. I see him similar to Melee Sheik- not the best, but definitely has enough tools to take on any character in the roster. And Ally, along with Anti and Zenyou, have shown that. Through their gameplay, they have made me believe that Mario is a top tier.

If I misunderstood your argument at any time, please correct me. It was very interesting to see someone's opinion on Mario, because it's been awhile since I've met someone that doesn't consider him top tier.

Anyway, concerning your Pokemon Go quest, congrats on the Eevee catch!

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Happy Birthday @Zoroarking

Hopefully it wasn't late.

 

[Bananija]

Happy Birthday @Zoroarking ! Hope you had a lot of fun today and that you continue to have some until tomorrow.

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

I may have already said this, but happy b-day @Zoroarking !

 

[Coricus]

Happy infinite tag day, @Zoroarking !

May you have a bounty of your favorite foods and a steady supply of the richest of video games.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Happy Birthday @Zoroarking

I might as well leave this here as a gift.

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[ChikoLad]

Very interesting argument! Spoilering this because it's a bit long:

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Same principle applies for every other character in the roster. Diddy wouldn't be top tier only because of Zero. Sheik wouldn't be top tier only because of Void. Fox wouldn't be top tier only because of Larry, etc. So, I don't think it would apply to Ally and Mario alone, but rather the entire roster.

Anyways, I think the reason why Mario is seen as top tier by many is not just because of Ally, but for a couple reasons. First is that it's not just Ally that uses Mario, but we've also seen some good play out of Zenyou and Anti. Also, despite his weaker range and meh recovery, it doesn't hold him back too much like in past games. While he still has issues against long ranged characters like Cloud and Marth, at least he can still deal with it better than previous games. His much improved air speed buffs his recovery from weak to passable, and his SJP also gets better height this time.

Overall, I think he has the tools to take on any top tier, and because of this is considered to be a top tier. He most likely loses to Sheik and maybe Sonic but not by much at all, he does fairly well against Fox, Ryu, Diddy, ZSS, and even with Cloud's sword, he can still do well against him (although most likely a losing matchup) because Mario can work well against Cloud's recovery, and since Cloud's a big target, Mario can combo him even better than other characters. That only leaves Rosalina, and that matchup is still not strongly disadvantaged.

He may not be the best, but he's got enough tools to be in the top tier in my mind. I see him similar to Melee Sheik- not the best, but definitely has enough tools to take on any character in the roster. And Ally, along with Anti and Zenyou, have shown that. Through their gameplay, they have made me believe that Mario is a top tier.

If I misunderstood your argument at any time, please correct me. It was very interesting to see someone's opinion on Mario, because it's been awhile since I've met someone that doesn't consider him top tier.

Anyway, concerning your Pokemon Go quest, congrats on the Eevee catch!

Mario pretty much loses to every other top tier because, like I said, he has no real main strength while they all do. His disadvantages aren't huge and he just has solid stats all-around, but his advantages are never huge either. That's just not a top tier character. That's a high tier. Top tier characters dominate and have match-ups so obviously skewed in their favour (Rosalina VS Ness for example), which Mario does not have.

Cloud fills the same role as Mario (being an easy to use character that anyone can get into easily), but is much superior to Mario in everything from his projectile, his range, his speed, his power, and in the fact he has Limit. His recovery is weak but Mario will have a harder time getting Cloud off-stage than the other way around. Cloud also has match-ups that are obviously in his favour.

This is no different to how Rosalina is always ranked above Ryu on any tier list because, while more people play as Ryu and he probably technically has a better player base, Rosalina shuts Ryu down so hard it doesn't matter, plus a Rosalina in the right hands will do just as well against the rest of the cast, if not better than Ryu. So Rosalina automatically gets a higher position regardless of how she herself is doing in tournaments.

Like I said, Ally is just really good, and he put in a lot of work. Not anybody can just win with Mario. We cannot begin to consider Mario top tier until we see a bunch of newbies placing highly with him, or players of other characters suddenly switching to him and doing well.

 

[Erureido]

As much as I think they should stop adding Fire Emblem characters to Smash for a while so people can cool off, I think I could find it in my heart to excuse a seventh if they somehow managed to give an entire functional moveset to a mounted unit of some kind.

A Pegasus Knight would probably be more doable with the mechanics of Smash (and have more moves), but there's something about the idea of a guy with his butt glued to a normal horse flailing around in the air with aerials and being knocked around by his opponent that just seems like it would probably be highly amusing.

If I were to pick a Pegasus Knight for Smash, probably Hinoka. She'd have the perfect reveal trailer where her reveal would mirror her cutscene from Conquest.

"I spent my whole training training for this tournament. Finally, I'm here!"

Her air game would probably be deadly, fitting for a Pegasus Knight.

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I heard the EVO news. Too bad I couldn't watch it live, but Megaman vs Mario in the finals? That sounds pretty hype! And to hear Nintendo's mascot won the biggest Smash 4 tournament is pretty grand. I look forward to watching those matches in a short while from now.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Go froze twice today while trying to catch a wartortle but I did get it!

I thought I missed it but it reappeared on my screen sometime later

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

Mario pretty much loses to every other top tier because, like I said, he has no real main strength while they all do. His disadvantages aren't huge and he just has solid stats all-around, but his advantages are never huge either. That's just not a top tier character. That's a high tier. Top tier characters dominate and have match-ups so obviously skewed in their favour (Rosalina VS Ness for example), which Mario does not have.

Cloud fills the same role as Mario (being an easy to use character that anyone can get into easily), but is much superior to Mario in everything from his projectile, his range, his speed, his power, and in the fact he has Limit. His recovery is weak but Mario will have a harder time getting Cloud off-stage than the other way around. Cloud also has match-ups that are obviously in his favour.

This is no different to how Rosalina is always ranked above Ryu on any tier list because, while more people play as Ryu and he probably technically has a better player base, Rosalina shuts Ryu down so hard it doesn't matter, plus a Rosalina in the right hands will do just as well against the rest of the cast, if not better than Ryu. So Rosalina automatically gets a higher position regardless of how she herself is doing in tournaments.

Like I said, Ally is just really good, and he put in a lot of work. Not anybody can just win with Mario. We cannot begin to consider Mario top tier until we see a bunch of newbies placing highly with him, or players of other characters suddenly switching to him and doing well.

K. I still don't agree, but whatevs.
Anywho, how long have you had Pokemon Go?

 

[Pazzo.]

Happy Birthday @Zoroarking!

Of all the Zoroarks, you are truly the most distinguished.

 

[Coricus]

If I were to pick a Pegasus Knight for Smash, probably Hinoka. She'd have the perfect reveal trailer where her reveal would mirror her cutscene from Conquest.

"I spent my whole training training for this tournament. Finally, I'm here!"

Her air game would probably be deadly, fitting for a Pegasus Knight.

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I heard the EVO news. Too bad I couldn't watch it live, but Megaman vs Mario in the finals? That sounds pretty hype! And to hear Nintendo's mascot won the biggest Smash 4 tournament is pretty grand. I look forward to watching those matches in a short while from now.

I always think of Caeda simply because I tried Shadow Dragon first and she's both my and the first Pegasus Knight in the entire series.

Also because I want to want to see what shippers end up thinking of it.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Also because I want to want to see what shippers end up thinking of it.

They'll go either, "**** no, that skank needs to stay away from Ikie-poo's boyfriend!" or just ship her with Zelda for the lols.

 

[ChikoLad]

K. I still don't agree, but whatevs.
Anywho, how long have you had Pokemon Go?

It only came out today in Ireland so not long at all.

Just did the one walk at night for now, the game started acting up anyway. I'll go out tomorrow afternoon and hopefully the servers will be more stable.

 

[Hat N' Clogs]

It only came out today in Ireland so not long at all.

Just did the one walk at night for now, the game started acting up anyway. I'll go out tomorrow afternoon and hopefully the servers will be more stable.

Yeah. I heard that the servers were indeed being wonky.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

They'll go either, "**** no, that skank needs to stay away from Ikie-poo's boyfriend!" or just ship her with Zelda for the lols.

I'd ship it.

No serious, Caeda and Zelda actually actually makes sense as a good yuri Zelda crossover pair.

 

[Coricus]

They'll go either, "**** no, that skank needs to stay away from Ikie-poo's boyfriend!" or just ship her with Zelda for the lols.

And then you stumble across that one fanfiction where Caeda falls for Pit because he reminds her of her horse.

Or somehow she just ends up with her own great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-greater-great granddaughter, because who needs a stable timeline?

 

[Wolfie557]

ChikoLad wow. You can see more pokestops from your house than I do, and I'm in London and really close to a tube station. I have two gyms tho, not that I tried battling there since the time it crashed on my first go.